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: On Oct 5, 9:27 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > [Tom, drso...@aol.com]
: > [Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:19:58 -0700 (PDT)]
: >
: > :
: > : On Oct 5, 9:11 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : > [Tom, drso...@aol.com]
: > : > [Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT)]
: > : >
: > : > : So what? That one bad call in an otherwise impeccably called game had
: > : > : far less impact on the outcome than the Braves three errors.
: > : >
: > : > This kind of rationalization is always such nonsense that it astounds me
: > : > that anyone with enough neurons firing to type and activate a computer
: > : > ever tries to whip it out in place of an actual logical argument.
: > :
: > : So, you're saying the three errors had no impact on the the game?
: >
: > That's not at all what I wrote.  The errors of the players don't
: > mitigate the errors of the umpiring crew in any way, shape or form.
:
: Sorry, I must not have made my point clearly. I didn't mean to imply
: the players' errors excuse the umpires errors. However, it's a
: baseball truism that a team can't allow a bad call to affect their
: play. They're supposed to overcome those things, unfortunate thought
: they may be. Had the errors not happened, the Braves would've been
: much closer to a different outcome.

Ah, alrighty.  As Jon Enslin demonstrated with his ad hominem reply in
the middle of this thread, I'm rather accustomed to dealing with quite a
significant amount of intellectual dishonesty from some, particularly a
few knuckleheads like him (dusted with massive hypocrisy in his case).  
Ever since the guy got pantsed rather thoroughly a while ago, he's been
on a bit of a minor rampage from time to time.  It's cute, ultimately
ineffectual - much like Enslin himself - but dealing with the pattern
over time tends to build up a templated response.  I know better, but
sometimes I still fall prey to the temptation... a thousand pardons!

I don't think that the Braves allowed the call to affect their play, for
what it's worth.  The blown IFR call was so late that they really could
not reasonably overcome it, though they made a good stab at doing so.

: > It's extraordinarily dishonest to suggest that bad calls are okay based
: > on the fact that the team they screw over also made errors, had chances
: > to overcome the umpiring errors, etc.
:
: I didn't say the bad call was ok... I think the umpiring in both
: leagues all season long was abysmal. There should be some form of...
: discipline, for lack of a better word... for umpires who consistently
: make bad calls. Three bad calls and they're suspended for five games,
: or something like that.

I often wonder if there is in fact some sort of discipline of which we
never hear, not being privy to what goes on behind MLB's closed doors.

: I'm saying the bad call is the one thing in the game beyond the Braves
: control. Good fielding was within their control. There's no way we'll
: really ever know if that call would've affected the outcome of the
: game.

Indeed.  It was very sad to see the best defensive team in baseball
shoot themselves in the feet like that... three times, no less... and
the first one from Chipper Jones himself, during his last game.

: It's things like this that make baseball so much better than other
: sports...

Indeed.