Nine Sweet 16s in 13 years ...
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
Woo-hoo!
deb.r...@gmail.com
<solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just barely.
>
> Woo-hoo!
NO CHIT!!!
GO GREEN!
Mookie
Donnie Barnes
Probably not going much further without Lucas, though. And it looked like
he's done. For a long while. Probably a full achilles tear.
--Donnie
mianderson
<solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just barely.
>
> Woo-hoo!
yes, but only one(maybe 2 if we're being generous) "special"
teams.....
the_andr...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Assuming Sparty won.
Best college coach?
Not necessarily best recruiter+coach, but best coach?
a.
CheeseHusker dos
Nice couple wins.
is jealous
StephenJ
> Just barely.
>
> Woo-hoo!
lucky bastards
StephenJ
izzo is a great coach, a guy who can spin gold out of straw (anyone
heard from mateen cleaves in the past 9 years?), but his teams are the
epitome of efficient tough boredom.
mianderson
yeah, but my point was I don't think msu can be considered one of the
top 5 or so programs in the country......they just haven't had enough
"great" teams to meet that standard.
McMahone
Right now, I'm happy with 1
Sic 'em
Marty
StephenJ
depends on the time frame. for the 2000s? with 1 title, 4 final 4s,
and 7 sweet 16s, they surely were a top 5 program over that decade. i
can't name 5 that were better.
mianderson
kansas, kentcuky, duke, and unc are the four premiere programs in
college basketball.
Programs like ucla have won more historically by most metrics, but due
to other factors they have to be thrown behind them.
Then after that you have a big group of teams(Michigan State, Indiana,
Syracuse, Uconn, etc) that are in that second level behind those
5......
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Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
Why are you NOT on the Sparty bandwagon, Jaros? Best basketball
program in the country. Right up your alley to join the bandwagon.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
Indiana is in the upper echelon.
mianderson
yeah I was debating that......
the problem with indiana though, is that while the passion and fan
base and everything are still there, the recent results.....well, they
just arent there.
And I don't mean recent as in "last 5 years ago"....I mean like in the
last 15 years they just haven't been very good. You have to be better
than that over a decade and a half or two decades to be grouped with
kansas, kentucky, duke, unc...all of which have had multiple GREAT(not
just really good) teams over that stretch.....how many times has
indiana even been a #1 seed the last TWENTY years? Now ask the same
thing about kansas, kentucky, duke, and unc?
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
They made the title game in 2002, pla.
mianderson
exactly my point....when you have to bring up A SINGLE title game
appearance(and they only got there because their draw was favorable
and upsets happened as they werent even a top seed) over a period of
20+ years, thats an admission they haven't been very good.
let's look at their seeding history over the last twenty(just to pick
a nice big cutoff) years:
8, 2, 2, 1, 5, 9, 6, 8, 7, 6, 6, 4, 5, 7, unseeded, unseeded, 6, 7, 8,
unseeded, unseeded
You have 3 darn good years(all almost twenty years ago), then the 02
season where they were a 5 but were forunate enough to play a 10
seeded(or 7?) team to make the final four and get beat in the title
game(their only title game appearance since 1987), 4 atrocious years,
and then a bunch of mediocre years where they were good enough to make
the tournament but never really any threat....
Nothing against indiana, and I hate using recent history as a
barometer for where a program stands, but we aren't talking recent
history here.......
Pauli G
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UNC, Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, Kansas and Indiana - those are the
bluebloods, end of story. Everyone else is 1B.
mianderson
I agree with all those, except UNC, ky, Duke, and and Kansas have *it
all*. There are no weaknesses(such as facilities, fan support,
winning over the last ten to twenty years on top of all that history,
etc).....
with UCLA, you do have some fan support issues at times in that they
don't have the same kind of support(especially when they arent very
good) that the other 4 have.
And with indiana, well you've just the problem of them just not being
very good the last two decades.
Antonio Veranos
[<23f1f948-d7ea-4b1b...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>]
[Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT)]
: exactly my point....when you have to bring up A SINGLE title game
: appearance(and they only got there because their draw was favorable
: and upsets happened as they werent even a top seed) over a period of
: 20+ years, thats an admission they haven't been very good.
Sorry, but no... this is insane.
There are about 200 schools who would trade two decades of utter failure for
one title game appearance in year 21.
--
Antonio Veranos
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run
out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."
--Margaret Thatcher, 'This Week', 5 February 1976
Pauli G
you're high.
mianderson
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> [mianderso...@gmail.com | mianderson]
> [<23f1f948-d7ea-4b1b-9649-f807e0ce4...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>]
> [Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> : exactly my point....when you have to bring up A SINGLE title game
> : appearance(and they only got there because their draw was favorable
> : and upsets happened as they werent even a top seed) over a period of
> : 20+ years, thats an admission they haven't been very good.
>
> Sorry, but no... this is insane.
>
> There are about 200 schools who would trade two decades of utter failure for
> one title game appearance in year 21.
>
dude, this discussion isn't about those teams. This is a discussion
about teams like unc, kansas, duke, etc........
and 1 title game appearance in the last 20 years(actually now like 23)
just isn't up to par with programs like that.
mianderson
Im high that one title game appearance, one number one seed, etc in
the last twenty years isn't all that great? Interesting......
Pauli G
it's Indiana for god's sake. You're all about attendance, atmosphere
and all that other bullshit. My god, have you ever seen Alumi
Hall??????????? Jeusus Mike, it's bedlam. As Jim Calhoun has
said, it's basketball heaven there. Indiana is a PROGRAM with a
capital P.
mianderson
so is fog allen fieldhouse; kentucky fans are notoriously insanely
into it; cameron speaks for itself obviously; as does unc.
So all 4 of the above places you could easily say "It's kentucky/
kansas/unc/duke for god's sake".....
the difference between those 4 and indiana is that they've been very
very good for much of the last two decades and indiana has rarely been
very good.
Indiana is a legendary program, amongst the elite of the elite. But
so are the others, and the others have just been better. Not
"lately", but over the last two decades.
As Jim Calhoun has
> said, it's basketball heaven there. Indiana is a PROGRAM with a
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stephenJ
> On Mar 21, 7:22 pm, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 21, 6:06 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> On Mar 21, 7:03 pm, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 21, 4:49 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>>>>> <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just barely.
>>>>>> Woo-hoo!
>>>>> yes, but only one(maybe 2 if we're being generous) "special"
>>>>> teams.....
>>>> izzo is a great coach, a guy who can spin gold out of straw (anyone
>>>> heard from mateen cleaves in the past 9 years?), but his teams are the
>>>> epitome of efficient tough boredom.
>>> yeah, but my point was I don't think msu can be considered one of the
>>> top 5 or so programs in the country......they just haven't had enough
>>> "great" teams to meet that standard.
>> depends on the time frame. for the 2000s? with 1 title, 4 final 4s,
>> and 7 sweet 16s, they surely were a top 5 program over that decade. i
>> can't name 5 that were better
>
> kansas, kentcuky, duke, and unc are the four premiere programs in
> college basketball.
the best programs of all time:
ucla
kentucky
indiana
UNC
duke
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we lost our power to declare an Act of Congress void. I do
think the Union would be imperiled if we could not make
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Pauli G
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and Kansas.
That's it, end of story.
George W Harris
<rio...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>it's Indiana for god's sake. You're all about attendance, atmosphere
>and all that other bullshit. My god, have you ever seen Alumi
>Hall??????????? Jeusus Mike, it's bedlam. As Jim Calhoun has
>said, it's basketball heaven there. Indiana is a PROGRAM with a
>capital P.
It's a program that's been to the Final Four once
in the past 18 years. Yes, all-time they're great, but
currently they're down a notch.
--
Doesn't the fact that there are *exactly* 50 states seem a little suspicious?
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:02:32 -0700 (PDT), Pauli G
>
>
> >it's Indiana for god's sake. You're all about attendance, atmosphere
> >and all that other bullshit. My god, have you ever seen Alumi
> >Hall??????????? Jeusus Mike, it's bedlam. As Jim Calhoun has
> >said, it's basketball heaven there. Indiana is a PROGRAM with a
> >capital P.
>
> It's a program that's been to the Final Four once
> in the past 18 years. Yes, all-time they're great, but
> currently they're down a notch.
UCLA says hi.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
wrote:
> On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just barely.
>
> > Woo-hoo!
>
>
> GO GREEN!
Go white.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar, deb.rube...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
> ><solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Just barely.
>
> >> Woo-hoo!
>
> > NO CHIT!!!
>
> > GO GREEN!
>
>
> Probably not going much further without Lucas, though. And it looked like
> he's done. For a long while. Probably a full achilles tear.
You never know. I think it's extra important now that Allen and Roe
play 100% on Friday.
And Tragic Johnson is a bad ass.
I saw MSU beat Northern Iowa before bowing out to Ohio State in the E8.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
<the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 4:52 pm, "deb.rube...@gmail.com" <deb.rube...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> > <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just barely.
>
> > > Woo-hoo!
>
> > NO CHIT!!!
>
> > GO GREEN!
>
>
> Best college coach?
>
> Not necessarily best recruiter+coach, but best coach?
33-11 all-time in the NCAAs, man.
Pretty good.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
> On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just barely.
>
> > Woo-hoo!
>
> teams.....
I agree with this. Of the Sweet 16, maybe three of them are truly NC
favorites.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
> On Mar 21, 3:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"> Nice couple wins.
>
> is jealous
Eh. Sun shines on different dogs at different times. This has been a
nice 13-year period for MSU basketball. Izzo is Hall of Fame-bound as
a coach.
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
Yay!
deb.r...@gmail.com
if you don't burn a couple of couches, you ain't squat!
Mookie
...please, don't let me interrupt
J.C. Watts Enslin
<the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 4:52 pm, "deb.rube...@gmail.com" <deb.rube...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> > <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just barely.
>
> > > Woo-hoo!
>
>
> > GO GREEN!
>
> Assuming Sparty won.
>
> Best college coach?
After last year's run to the final game, I find it pretty hard to
argue otherwise. He seems to put it in a different gear when the
tournament comes along...and it is opening up for him nicely this
year. Northern Iowa will be a test, but I'm sure they'd rather play
them than Kansas. Ohio State beat them earlier this year, but that's
a team they know real well.
Jon
stephenJ
yes, kansas would rank 6th. too few national titles to be in top 5, though.
--
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but love.
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stephenJ
but that's a testament to how good a coach izzo is. he doesn't need
special talent to advance far in the tourney.
stephenJ
> On Mar 21, 4:00 pm, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Mar 21, 3:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!" <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Just barely.
>>> Woo-hoo!
>
> Why are you NOT on the Sparty bandwagon, Jaros? Best basketball
> program in the country. Right up your alley to join the bandwagon.
the 'jaros joins bandwagons' notion is perhaps the dumbest notion that
regularly circulates on rsfc. not a scintilla of evidence for it.
and that is saying something.
James Gibson
> Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama! wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 2:49 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> >> <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Just barely.
> >>> Woo-hoo!
> >> yes, but only one(maybe 2 if we're being generous) "special"
> >> teams.....
>
> > I agree with this. Of the Sweet 16, maybe three of them are truly NC
> > favorites.
>
> but that's a testament to how good a coach izzo is. he doesn't need
> special talent to advance far in the tourney.
Just needs to watch out for Nevada as a first round opponent.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
:
>>> Just barely.
>>>
>>> Woo-hoo!
>>
>> NO CHIT!!!
>>
>>
>> GO GREEN!
>>
>
> Probably not going much further without Lucas, though. And it looked like
> he's done. For a long while. Probably a full achilles tear.
Northern Iowa has a decent shot at the FF!!!
--Tedward
James Gibson
UCLA has been to the Final Four 4 times in that stretch, including 3
straight years from 2006 to 2008. They've been relevant a lot more
recently than Indiana.
James Gibson
wrote:
> [mianderso...@gmail.com | mianderson]
> [<23f1f948-d7ea-4b1b-9649-f807e0ce4...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>]
>
> : exactly my point....when you have to bring up A SINGLE title game
> : appearance(and they only got there because their draw was favorable
> : and upsets happened as they werent even a top seed) over a period of
> : 20+ years, thats an admission they haven't been very good.
>
> Sorry, but no... this is insane.
>
> There are about 200 schools who would trade two decades of utter failure for
> one title game appearance in year 21.
In context, it's not. The basic question is how to rank the programs
since Izzo became coach at Michigan State. He became coach for the
'95-'96 season, and while Indiana is better than the average D1 school
in basketball, they are probably only around average if you limit it
to BCS conferences. If youre talking top 5 since the start of
'95-'96, Indiana wouldn't be on the list. If I were to do a top 5
from that time, my list would contain Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky,
Kansas, and Connecticut. Michigan State would probably be next.
NapalmHeart
"Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!" <solnich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 21, 4:00 pm, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 3:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!" <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just barely.
>
> > Woo-hoo!
>
> lucky bastards
Why are you NOT on the Sparty bandwagon, Jaros? Best basketball
program in the country. Right up your alley to join the bandwagon.
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Izzo could easily be around for another 20 years. This is just the beginning!
Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!
Oh, screw you, Mellon.
i_like_...@mailandnews.com
>
> izzo is a great coach, a guy who can spin gold out of straw (anyone
> heard from mateen cleaves in the past 9 years?),
Cleaves was the fourth most talented player on that team. The 2000
Spartans were hardly a ragtag bunch. That being said, I agree that
Izzo has been a great tournament coach.
JGibson
<solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 22, 7:29 am, James Gibson <james.m.gib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 22, 10:18 am, stephenJ <sjar...@pop.com> wrote:
>
> > > Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama! wrote:
> > > > On Mar 21, 2:49 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Mar 21, 4:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
>
> > > >> <solnichkakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Just barely.
> > > >>> Woo-hoo!
> > > >> yes, but only one(maybe 2 if we're being generous) "special"
> > > >> teams.....
>
> > > > I agree with this. Of the Sweet 16, maybe three of them are truly NC
> > > > favorites.
>
> > > but that's a testament to how good a coach izzo is. he doesn't need
> > > special talent to advance far in the tourney.
>
> > Just needs to watch out for Nevada as a first round opponent.
>
> Oh, screw you, Mellon.
Mellon?
Jim Gysin
mianderson sent the following on 3/21/2010 9:37 PM:
> with UCLA, you do have some fan support issues at times in that they
> don't have the same kind of support(especially when they arent very
> good) that the other 4 have.
What does fan support have to do with the quality of the program?
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Emperor Wonko the Sane
Aren't you a little old for sweet sixteen parties?
Doug
Antonio Veranos
[<ab629979-46a2-404e...@v34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>]
[Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT)]
: On Mar 21, 3:51 pm, "Solnichka Kardex: Sock-o-rama!"
When did Sorenson get so funny?
There's no more RUTSies, pla... campaigning for the Kramer is years too late.
--
Antonio Veranos
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run
out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."
--Margaret Thatcher, 'This Week', 5 February 1976