"Mississippi Drug War Blues"
TOE
For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
-Tom Enright
Chris Bellomy
> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
cb
TOE
What's so special about the "deep South"? Unfortunately I doubt it is
any more close to being stopped in New York City.
-Tom Enright
> cb
Chris Bellomy
> On Nov 24, 11:22 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>> TOE wrote, On 11/24/09 9:03 AM:
>>
>>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>>>
>>> http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
>> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> What's so special about the "deep South"?
The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
had nothing to do with drugs.
cb
the_andr...@yahoo.com
We're waiting.
a.
Chris Bellomy
Look at the results and you'll have your answer.
cb
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
Race.
Them darkies was all over evil Mary Jane and Jazz.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> We're waiting.
<
<Race.
It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
to care folks I knew happened to be white.
Hell, the rural meth thing seems to be as much redneck
as anything elses.
--Tedward
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
wrote:
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> > > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> > > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> > > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> > > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> > > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> > We're waiting.
>
> <
> <Race.
>
> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
There are a lot of folks who would disagree with this - see the
penalties for crack v powered cocaine as an example.
> Hell, the rural meth thing seems to be as much redneck
> as anything elses.
Sure but that's not being prosecuted to anywhere near the same extent.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> > > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> > > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> > > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> > > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> > > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> > > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> > We're waiting.
>
> <
> <Race.
>
> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
<
<There are a lot of folks who would disagree with this - see the
<penalties for crack v powered cocaine as an example.
<
> Hell, the rural meth thing seems to be as much redneck
> as anything elses.
<
<Sure but that's not being prosecuted to anywhere near the same extent.
Priorities -- whatever. When I stop reading about drug busts for
marijuana and quit seeing the spotter planes circling over Orange
County, NC, I'll believe it's all about race. Yes, there are myths
about which drugs are more evil and they happen to correlate *some*
what with race, but it isn't really about race.
It is a war on drug *users* and suppliers.
--Tedward
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
wrote:
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
As for the racism part of it - each has their own spin - but I'm
pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
pure racism at it's roots.
TOE
> > <Sure but that's not being prosecuted to anywhere near the same extent.
>
> > Priorities -- whatever. When I stop reading about drug busts for
> > marijuana and quit seeing the spotter planes circling over Orange
> > County, NC, I'll believe it's all about race. Yes, there are myths
> > about which drugs are more evil and they happen to correlate *some*
> > what with race, but it isn't really about race.
> >
> > It is a war on drug *users* and suppliers.
> Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
We don't see cops in the suburbs?
> As for the racism part of it - each has their own spin - but I'm
> pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
> pure racism at it's roots.
Actually, when it comes to crack, the WoD was started because not
doing so would have been racist.
-Tom Enright
"Sotomayor Speeches Woven With Ethnicity"--headline, Washington Post,
June 5
"High Court Nominee Criticized Stereotypes"--subheadline, same story
The BorgMan
0d46ce...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
It's a convenient shield for racism - and it probably isn't going away
anywhere, because there is way too much vested money in keeping it going.
--
Aaron
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> > > > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> > > > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> > > > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> > > > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> > > > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> > > > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> > > We're waiting.
>
> > <
> > <Race.
>
> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> > the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
> <
> <There are a lot of folks who would disagree with this - see the
> <penalties for crack v powered cocaine as an example.
> <> Hell, the rural meth thing seems to be as much redneck
> > as anything elses.
>
> <
> <Sure but that's not being prosecuted to anywhere near the same extent.
>
> Priorities -- whatever. When I stop reading about drug busts for
> marijuana and quit seeing the spotter planes circling over Orange
> County, NC, I'll believe it's all about race. Yes, there are myths
> about which drugs are more evil and they happen to correlate *some*
> what with race, but it isn't really about race.
>
> It is a war on drug *users* and suppliers.
<
<Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
It's true -- they never ever bust suburban drug users. Nor do they
try to allocate resources where there's more users/crime.
Wait, I know! Let's hide our meth lab in the suburbs!
LSD? All about race. Ephedrine too.
>As for the racism part of it - each has their own spin - but I'm
>pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
>pure racism at it's roots.
Pure racism? Not since the days of Reefer Madness, which ironically
was all white people.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
news:424674ce-e73d-47fe...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
...don't forget the Mexicans.
...and them Chinamen were all over them opium dens (note, the first anti-
opium laws ONLY outlawed smoking it).
...and the darkies were all over the cocain and jazz too.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>>
>> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>>
>> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>>
>> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>>
>> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
>> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>>
>> We're waiting.
> <
> <Race.
>
> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
likely to serve time than minorities.
--
Aaron
TOE
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote innews:424674ce-e73d-47fe...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> > Race.
> >
> > Them darkies was all over evil Mary Jane and Jazz.
> ...don't forget the Mexicans.
>
> ...and them Chinamen were all over them opium dens (note, the first anti-
> opium laws ONLY outlawed smoking it).
>
> ...and the darkies were all over the cocain and jazz too.
...and Civil War vets and morphine.
...and the Irish and booze.
...and Jewish shrinks and cocaine.
Something tells me that somebody puts a bit too much stock in Woody
Harrelson narrated docos.
-Tom Enright
"There Are Two Americas; John Edwards' New House Takes Up Almost All
of One Of Them."
> --
> Aaron
TOE
> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in news:heh528$oo4$1
> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> > the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
> likely to serve time than minorities.
All else being equal? Maybe. However, the difference between the
sentences between men and women is more dramatic.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
> On Nov 24, 12:54 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 11:48 am, "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com>
> > > <Sure but that's not being prosecuted to anywhere near the same extent.
>
> > > Priorities -- whatever. When I stop reading about drug busts for
> > > marijuana and quit seeing the spotter planes circling over Orange
> > > County, NC, I'll believe it's all about race. Yes, there are myths
> > > about which drugs are more evil and they happen to correlate *some*
> > > what with race, but it isn't really about race.
>
> > > It is a war on drug *users* and suppliers.
> > Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
>
> We don't see cops in the suburbs?
Not all that much so. W/o even looking I'm quite certain that users
busted for possession do not mirror a racial breakdown.
> > As for the racism part of it - each has their own spin - but I'm
> > pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
> > pure racism at it's roots.
>
> Actually, when it comes to crack, the WoD was started because not
> doing so would have been racist.
Nah - the WoD was started long before crack - just got a fancy
schmancy name change along the way.
The BorgMan
news:af7777a9-6a4c-4f8a...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 24, 1:08�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:424
> 674ce-e73d-47fe-...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > Race.
>> >
>> > Them darkies was all over evil Mary Jane and Jazz.
>
>> ...don't forget the Mexicans.
>>
>> ...and them Chinamen were all over them opium dens (note, the first
>> anti- opium laws ONLY outlawed smoking it).
>>
>> ...and the darkies were all over the cocain and jazz too.
>
> ...and Civil War vets and morphine.
> ...and the Irish and booze.
> ...and Jewish shrinks and cocaine.
>
> Something tells me that somebody puts a bit too much stock in Woody
> Harrelson narrated docos.
Sounds to me like someone didn't pay much attention to the words of the
people in Congress actually passing the laws.
--
Aaron
CheeseHusker dos
wrote:
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> - Show quoted text -
The BorgMan
news:8b23563d-a984-4856...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 24, 1:10�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in
>> news:heh528$oo4$
> 1
>> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>
>> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
>> > the victims are more likely to be black. �They didn't seem
>> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
>> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
>> likely to serve time than minorities.
>
> All else being equal? Maybe.
All else being equal - and not maybe, the incarceration rate is something
like 200+% higher for blacks.
> However, the difference between the
> sentences between men and women is more dramatic.
When compared to number of users, this definitely ISN'T true with respect
to marijuana.
--
Aaron
Chris Bellomy
> "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>>>>>> http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>>>>> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>>>> What's so special about the "deep South"?
>>> The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
>>> had nothing to do with drugs.
>> We're waiting.
> <
> <Race.
>
> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
Race was a big part of it, not all. Mostly it was a simple
flexing of authoritarian muscle to remind everyone who was
still in charge after the counterculture days.
And it worked.
cb
TOE
> > > Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
> > We don't see cops in the suburbs?
> Not all that much so. W/o even looking I'm quite certain that users
> busted for possession do not mirror a racial breakdown.
The real issue isn't black v. white, but urban v. non-urban. I would
bet that less than 1% of users are busted while using in their own
home. And if they are, the cops were probably there for an entirely
different reason.
> > > As for the racism part of it - each has their own spin - but I'm
> > > pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
> > > pure racism at it's roots.
> > Actually, when it comes to crack, the WoD was started because not
> > doing so would have been racist.
> Nah - the WoD was started long before crack - just got a fancy
> schmancy name change along the way.
Oh, I know that. What I am saying is that some people view the
"Battle Against Crack" (subset of the WoD) as based on racism.
Originally it was started because black leaders felt that the police
and politicians were ignoring the problem.
BTW: First person who links to the Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" rap
video will be sodomized by Hoover.
-Tom Enright
TOE
> The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy wrote, On 11/24/09 11:27 AM:
>
> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> > the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
> Race was a big part of it, not all. Mostly it was a simple
> flexing of authoritarian muscle to remind everyone who was
> still in charge after the counterculture days.
"AFTER" the counterculture days. You can't be serious.
> And it worked.
At doing what?
-Tom Enright
> cb
Chris Bellomy
Why not?
>> And it worked.
>
> At doing what?
Putting undesirables in prison.
cb
SNORKY
wrote:
Yeah, my heart goes out to those drug dealers. Your bright mind sure
is on top of this one. Pointing out the injustice and all.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>>>
>>> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>>>
>>> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>>>
>>> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>>>
>>> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
>>> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>>>
>>> We're waiting.
>> <
>> <Race.
>>
>> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
>> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
>> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
>
> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
> likely to serve time than minorities.
The sentencing differences might be racist (or economic), but
the "arrested for identical drug crime" is not.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
The movie was all white people (ironically). I have no doubts
the drug war was originally rooted *mostly* in racism.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> > > Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
> > We don't see cops in the suburbs?
> Not all that much so. W/o even looking I'm quite certain that users
> busted for possession do not mirror a racial breakdown.
<
<The real issue isn't black v. white, but urban v. non-urban. I would
<bet that less than 1% of users are busted while using in their own
<home. And if they are, the cops were probably there for an entirely
<different reason.
IAWTP with some caveats: Grateful Dead, Phish, Burning Man,
Lollapaluza (sp?) etc. and other known hippie gatherings.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
It's pretty hard to argue that given that:
1) White people get stopped by cops for drug posession more often
2) Non-White people get arrested by cops for drug posession more often
The big difference is - the cops are much more likely to let whitey go
without ever charging him, and if they do charge him (given the same
amount of drugs) they are much more likely to call it "posession" for
whitey and "intent to distribute" for minorities.
--
Aaron
the_andr...@yahoo.com
> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote, On 11/24/09 10:54 AM:
>
> > On Nov 24, 11:41 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> >> TOE wrote, On 11/24/09 10:36 AM:
>
> >>> On Nov 24, 11:22 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> >>>> TOE wrote, On 11/24/09 9:03 AM:
> >>>>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
> >>>> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
> >>> What's so special about the "deep South"?
> >> The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> >> had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> > We're waiting.
>
Weak.
a.
the_andr...@yahoo.com
<iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 10:54 am, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > TOE wrote, On 11/24/09 10:36 AM:
>
> > > > On Nov 24, 11:22 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > > >> TOE wrote, On 11/24/09 9:03 AM:
>
> > > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> > > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> > > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> > > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> > > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> > > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> > We're waiting.
>
>
> Race.
>
> Them darkies was all over evil Mary Jane and Jazz.
This is silly.
I'm going to need more than some personal opinions.
a.
TOE
Cites please.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
the_andr...@yahoo.com
> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in news:heh528$oo4$1
> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> >> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> >> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> >> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> >> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> >> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> >> We're waiting.
> > <
> > <Race.
>
> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> > the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
> likely to serve time than minorities.
Symptoms aren't causes.
a.
TOE
> Symptoms aren't causes.
Lies, damn lies....
If two people are arrested for an "identical drug crime" the person
with a previous record is more likely to receive jail time. So while
the crime may be "identical," the sentencing circumstances are not.
-Tom Enright
> a.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
That doesn't mean the war on drugs is about race -- just ask
Manuel Noriega. The enforcement of it might have some racial
issues at various points along the way, but it in no way
resembles the way the war on drugs was first implemented as
a targeted attack on minorities.
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> >>>> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> >>>> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-
> the
>
> >>>> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> >>>> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> >>>> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> >>>> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> >>>> We're waiting.
> >>> <
> >>> <Race.
>
> >>> It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> >>> the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> >>> to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
> >> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
> >> likely to serve time than minorities.
>
> > The sentencing differences might be racist (or economic), but
> > the "arrested for identical drug crime" is not.
> It's pretty hard to argue that given that:
>
> 1) White people get stopped by cops for drug posession more often
> 2) Non-White people get arrested by cops for drug posession more often
>
> The big difference is - the cops are much more likely to let whitey go
> without ever charging him, and if they do charge him (given the same
> amount of drugs) they are much more likely to call it "posession" for
> whitey and "intent to distribute" for minorities.
<
<Cites please.
I tend to agree, but it's more about wealth IMHO. Rich areas
are more likely to rich kids slide a little. The cops in my
town were paid as much to keep us out of trouble as catch us
at it (drunk driving being a big exception).
--Tedward
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
<the_andr...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this BS?
>
> >> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blues-the
>
> >> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna happen.
>
> >> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>
> >> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
> >> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>
> >> We're waiting.
> > <
> > <Race.
>
> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
> > the victims are more likely to be black. They didn't seem
> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>
> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly less
> likely to serve time than minorities.
<
<Symptoms aren't causes.
True, whites are more likely to have access to lawyers who
do a better job than public defenders, and as Tom pointed
out might be less likely to have other crimes on record.
I also think the cops/courts see rich kids in college as
being more deserving of a second chance than a gang member.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
news:7d81659f-d12c-400e...@t18g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
There have been a couple different studies done on various UCR data that
show this - I'll hunt up some of the infor when I get a chance.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
news:04aa2163-9430-465e...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
"Marijuana is taken by ...musicians. And I'm not speaking about good
musicians, but the jazz type..." - Harry J. Anslinger
"Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, jazz musicians, and
entertainers. Their satanic music is driven by marijuana, and marijuana
smoking by white women makes them want to seek sexual relations with
Negroes, entertainers, and others. It is a drug that causes insanity,
criminality, and death - the most violence-causing drug in the history of
mankind." - Harry J. Anslinger
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
news:4463119f-35f1-4fb5...@e22g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
Right... when we incarcerate minorities longer for the same crime, it
probably has nothing to do with race.
...and when we incarcerate men longer for the same crime than women, it
probably has nothing to do with sex.
--
Aaron
shiite
Don't know with absolute certainty, but I'm guessing that your cause/
effect assumptions are skewed due to the economics factor. People who
can't afford good legal representation go to jail more often and for
longer sentences. Race is less of a factor than money.
shiite
Jazz musicians are more decadent. Everybody knows that.
Tom Enright
> > Cites please.
I don't doubt you will. However, it will only really matter if the
black vs. white defendant:
o Have the same criminal history.
o Had the same type of legal representation. Hired lawyer vs.
appointed.
o Were arrested and tried in the same jurisdiction.
o Similar age, job history, family life etc.
The "racial profiling" fad of the 90s has been shown to be a myth, I
don't doubt this will be also.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Tom Enright
Because people such as your self get worked-up about the former but
not the latter I'll remain suspicious of your motives.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Tom Enright
> >> > We're waiting.
...and?
The thesis was that the origins of the drug war "had nothing to do
with drugs" yet you provide two quotes that support the exact opposite
side.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
The BorgMan
news:63f1faa6-8183-4cdd...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 24, 4:47�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> TOE <alicam...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:7d81659f-d12c-400e-9fc7-fc8076ff33
> f...@t18g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 3:13�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> >> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in
>> >> news:hehb2d$v9m$
>> > 1
>> >> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>>
>> >> > "The BorgMan" <m...@me.net> wrote
>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP
>> >> >>>> > >>> this BS?
>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-bl
>> >> >>>> > >>>ues -
There are a number of things which hurt your chances - being a minority
is one of them. Being poor is another. Being a poor minority is even
worse.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
> On Nov 24, 4:49�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:04
> aa2163-9430-465e-...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
It wasn't about the drugs - it was about the people that used drugs.
That is, unless you think Anslinger really believed that marijuana
"causes insanity, criminality, and death".
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
news:545e3200-172d-4b8e...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 24, 4:50�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:44
> 63119f-35f1-4fb5-...@e22g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 1:10�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> >> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in
>> >> news:heh528$oo4$
>> > 1
>> >> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>>
>> >> > "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> >> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this
>> >> >> > >>> BS?
>>
>> >> >> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blue
>> >> >> > >>>s-t he
>>
>> >> >> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna
>> >> >> > >> happen.
>>
>> >> >> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>>
>> >> >> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
>> >> >> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>>
>> >> >> We're waiting.
>> >> > <
>> >> > <Race.
>>
>> >> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
>> >> > the victims are more likely to be black. �They didn't seem
>> >> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>>
>> >> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly
>> >> less likely to serve time than minorities.
>>
>> > Symptoms aren't causes.
>>
>> Right... when we incarcerate minorities longer for the same crime, it
>> probably has nothing to do with race.
>>
>> ...and when we incarcerate men longer for the same crime than women,
>> it probably has nothing to do with sex.
>>
>> --
>> Aaron
>
> Don't know with absolute certainty, but I'm guessing that your cause/
> effect assumptions are skewed due to the economics factor. People who
> can't afford good legal representation go to jail more often and for
> longer sentences. Race is less of a factor than money.
>
I wouldn't disagree that it is LESS a factor. Money is the ultimate get
out of jail free card.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
> On Nov 24, 4:50�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:44
> 63119f-35f1-4fb5-...@e22g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 1:10�pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> >> "The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in
>> >> news:heh528$oo4$
>> > 1
>> >> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>>
>> >> > "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> >> > >>> For the love of humanity, could we please just STOP this
>> >> >> > >>> BS?
>>
>> >> >> > >>>http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/mississippi-drug-war-blue
>> >> >> > >>>s-t he
>>
>> >> >> > >> Stopping the War on Drugs in the deep South? Not gonna
>> >> >> > >> happen.
>>
>> >> >> > > What's so special about the "deep South"?
>>
>> >> >> > The War on Drugs got started for a reason, and that reason
>> >> >> > had nothing to do with drugs.
>>
>> >> >> We're waiting.
>> >> > <
>> >> > <Race.
>>
>> >> > It hasn't been about race since at least the 60's, even if
>> >> > the victims are more likely to be black. �They didn't seem
>> >> > to care folks I knew happened to be white.
>>
>> >> Whites arrested for the identical drug crime are significantly
>> >> less likely to serve time than minorities.
>>
>> > Symptoms aren't causes.
>
>> Right... when we incarcerate minorities longer for the same crime, it
>> probably has nothing to do with race.
>>
>> ...and when we incarcerate men longer for the same crime than women,
>> it probably has nothing to do with sex.
>
> Because people such as your self get worked-up about the former but
> not the latter I'll remain suspicious of your motives.
I do, in general, get worked up over the latter. I'm especially bothered
by the way that the legal system tends to treat female sexual predators
vs. male sexual predators.
--
Aaron
Sendek Q. Sendek
> On Nov 24, 1:31 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> <iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 12:05 pm, TOE <alicam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Hell dude, if it was about users, you'd see the cops in the 'burbs.
> > > We don't see cops in the suburbs?
> > Not all that much so. W/o even looking I'm quite certain that users
> > busted for possession do not mirror a racial breakdown.
>
> The real issue isn't black v. white, but urban v. non-urban. I would
> bet that less than 1% of users are busted while using in their own
> home. And if they are, the cops were probably there for an entirely
> different reason.
>
> > > > pretty sure that's where teh czar was going - that the WoD is based in
> > > > pure racism at it's roots.
> > > doing so would have been racist.
> > Nah - the WoD was started long before crack - just got a fancy
> > schmancy name change along the way.
>
> Oh, I know that. What I am saying is that some people view the
> "Battle Against Crack" (subset of the WoD) as based on racism.
> Originally it was started because black leaders felt that the police
> and politicians were ignoring the problem.
>
> BTW: First person who links to the Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" rap
> video will be sodomized by Hoover.
>
> -Tom Enright
How about the Nancy Reagan Very Special Episode appearance on
Different Strokes?
Zaphod Beeblebrox
on 11/25/2009 10:29 PM???
WHATCHOOTALKINABOUTWILLIS?"
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FREE THE WEED!!!!!
Michael Press
A defendant with somebody who stands up and says "I
will take the time, make the effort, and spend the
money to straighten out this idiot" is more likely to
receive probation. Courts love having somebody take the
idiot off the court's hands. Probation, community
service, and rehabilitation programs are not a slap on
the wrist. Somebody who agrees to probation gives up
certain rights for the duration of the probation. They
must register their residence, and conform to many
rules. They waive rights restricting search and seizure
by civil authorities. The police can enter their
residence without a warrant. If they violate terms of
probation they go straight to jail.
--
Michael Press