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CheeseHusker dos
May 23, 2013, 8:27:05 AM5/23/13
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&
As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
the_andr...@yahoo.com
May 23, 2013, 10:04:53 AM5/23/13
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On May 23, 8:27 am, CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americ...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americ...
>
> As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
Nobel.Peace.Prize
> As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
Kyle T. Jones
May 23, 2013, 10:19:06 AM5/23/13
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more in the direction I figure you, x, and Ramon embrace (more
transparency, moving drone operations from CIA to Pentagon).
We can still yell at him about Gitmo... I mean, it's not "secret
overseas C.I.A. prisons", but it's something.
(and yes, that is my gentle call out to 'far from perfect, but still
more in line with my beliefs than the previous GOP admin' - has the
Obama admin been disappointing in many, many ways? - sure - has it also
been a significant improvement over the previous admin? - sure).
Cheers.
--
Too bad. Read the manual. If this stuff were easy
we would not get the big bucks. -- Michael Press, June 1st 2012
CheeseHusker dos
May 23, 2013, 10:30:20 AM5/23/13
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On May 23, 9:19 am, "Kyle T. Jones"
direction
<onexpadREM...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
> On 5/23/13 7:27 AM, CheeseHusker dos wrote:
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> >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americ...
> On 5/23/13 7:27 AM, CheeseHusker dos wrote:
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> > As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> > formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> > American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> > Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> > danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> > information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> > attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> > The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> > to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> > preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> > policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> > acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> > appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> > policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
>
> Honestly thought you'd be less critical here - he's definitely moving
> more in the direction I figure you, x, and Ramon embrace (more
> transparency, moving drone operations from CIA to Pentagon).
>
> We can still yell at him about Gitmo... I mean, it's not "secret
> overseas C.I.A. prisons", but it's something.
>
> (and yes, that is my gentle call out to 'far from perfect, but still
> more in line with my beliefs than the previous GOP admin' - has the
> Obama admin been disappointing in many, many ways? - sure - has it also
> been a significant improvement over the previous admin? - sure).
>
Actually, I'm quite pleased by this move - it's a start in the right
> > As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> > formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> > American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> > Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> > danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> > information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> > attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> > The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> > to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> > preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> > policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> > acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> > appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> > policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
>
> Honestly thought you'd be less critical here - he's definitely moving
> more in the direction I figure you, x, and Ramon embrace (more
> transparency, moving drone operations from CIA to Pentagon).
>
> We can still yell at him about Gitmo... I mean, it's not "secret
> overseas C.I.A. prisons", but it's something.
>
> (and yes, that is my gentle call out to 'far from perfect, but still
> more in line with my beliefs than the previous GOP admin' - has the
> Obama admin been disappointing in many, many ways? - sure - has it also
> been a significant improvement over the previous admin? - sure).
>
direction
xyzzy
May 23, 2013, 10:35:16 AM5/23/13
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including American citizens, but he's going to tell Congress and the
public his rules for doing it? Do I understand that correctly?
Because if I do, it's a start but not much of one. Sounds kinda like
saying torture is legal because we wrote a memo saying it is.
CheeseHusker dos
May 23, 2013, 10:42:02 AM5/23/13
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> - Show quoted text -
Hush, you - we'll take progress where we can find it, damn it!
the_andr...@yahoo.com
May 23, 2013, 1:11:03 PM5/23/13
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put young men in harm's way, then it's a positive.
There are plenty of other arguments for not killing people, but those
are up to the judiciary.
CheeseHusker dos
May 23, 2013, 1:30:10 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 12:11 pm, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com"
I'm not - the lack of element of risk makes it too easy to make
assumptions. If you know you're "at-risk", you tend to double check
them (hopefully) a little more thoroughly.
assumptions. If you know you're "at-risk", you tend to double check
them (hopefully) a little more thoroughly.
the_andr...@yahoo.com
May 23, 2013, 2:32:43 PM5/23/13
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some excitement.
CheeseHusker dos
May 23, 2013, 2:39:37 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 1:32 pm, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com"
> some excitement.- Hide quoted text -
Especially the smaller ones - like with that video I posted the other
day of hobbyists flying one all around and thru the Golden Gate. I'm
not an explosives expert by any chance, but I'm thinking it wouldn't
take a lot to make some serious hay with a drone borne bomb
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yup
> - Show quoted text -
Especially the smaller ones - like with that video I posted the other
day of hobbyists flying one all around and thru the Golden Gate. I'm
not an explosives expert by any chance, but I'm thinking it wouldn't
take a lot to make some serious hay with a drone borne bomb
Eric Ramon
May 23, 2013, 2:47:09 PM5/23/13
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on....and on...
I'll have some stuff to say about it a little later but the short
version is he started out well and then lost me.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 23, 2013, 5:20:22 PM5/23/13
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On 2013-05-23, CheeseHusker dos <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 9:19?am, "Kyle T. Jones"
You can tell how much the trifecta of scandals is hurting the
administration -- they are willing to change the subject to
Gitmo and this.
--
{((>:o}~ <<<<Oh look!!! An idolatrous image of the prophet!!! Surely
we must now avenge this blasphemy by burning down the world!!!
> On May 23, 9:19?am, "Kyle T. Jones"
administration -- they are willing to change the subject to
Gitmo and this.
--
{((>:o}~ <<<<Oh look!!! An idolatrous image of the prophet!!! Surely
we must now avenge this blasphemy by burning down the world!!!
Kyle T. Jones
May 23, 2013, 10:13:51 PM5/23/13
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due closing of Gitmo and increased transparency when it comes to drones
(and the shifting of ownership from the CIA to the Pentagon - I think
that's definitely a good thing) - I will salute the wailing right.
Your bitching finally made Obama man up and *start* to make good (a push
for marijuana decriminalization at the federal level would be a good
follow uo, by the way, especially from a former head). Good on you.
Jim Brown
May 23, 2013, 11:18:59 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 7:27 am, CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americ...
Gitmo:bad)
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americ...
>
> As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
The hypocrisy of that speech was overwhelming. (Drones:good,
> As part of the shift in approach, the administration on Wednesday
> formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four
> American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of
> Afghanistan and Iraq, arguing that its actions were justified by the
> danger to the United States. Mr. Obama approved providing new
> information to Congress and the public about the rules governing his
> attacks on Al Qaeda and its allies.
>
> The combined actions constitute a pivot point for a president who came
> to office highly critical of his predecessor, George W. Bush, yet who
> preserved and in some cases expanded on some of the counterterrorism
> policies he inherited. Much as Mr. Bush did in 2006 when he
> acknowledged and emptied secret overseas C.I.A. prisons, Mr. Obama
> appears intent on countering criticism of his most controversial
> policies by reorienting them to meet changing conditions.
Gitmo:bad)
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