Who would win?
Christopher H. O'Kennon
This has been keeping me up at nights:
Who would win in a foil bout between The Predator and an
Alien? I think the Predator, since he'd have a better understanding
of right-of-way (although the Alien might do pretty good at
eppee...).
EOJLH
-chris
Jester
H. O'Kennon) wrote:
Yeah, but RoboCop would kick all their butts.
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David W Neevel
>
> This has been keeping me up at nights:
> Who would win in a foil bout between The Predator and an
> Alien? I think the Predator, since he'd have a better understanding
> of right-of-way (although the Alien might do pretty good at
> eppee...).
>
any grip: with a thumb on both ends of it's hands, it'd be able to hold
any type of grip in more than one position.
The biggest problem I can think of would be if you had a Vorlon directing;
nobody would be able to understand the calls:
Action: both fencers jockey for proper distance, then exchange
a series of rapid beats and lunge together nearly simultaneously. Two colored
lights.
Call:"<click><whirr><wind chimes><harp glissando> Valid."
Come to think of it, I have had directors who were about that clear.
:-)
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Scott A Abfalter
: This has been keeping me up at nights:
: Who would win in a foil bout between The Predator and an
: Alien? I think the Predator, since he'd have a better understanding
: of right-of-way (although the Alien might do pretty good at
: eppee...).
: EOJLH
: -chris
Strange, I have been tossing and turning all night wrestling with a
similar question:
Who would win in a sabre bout, pacifist-and-actor Alan Alda or
infamous-fascist Adolf Hitler? Alda _does_ had a a longer reach
and probably a better lunge but does he have the killer instinct
that Adolf has too much of?
Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
looked like he was doing pretty well....
:)
Scott Allen Abfalter
Fence OCC!
James M. Politte
: Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
: looked like he was doing pretty well....
They wouldn't. Kirk would fence epee (fewer rules), and Picard would
fence foil (being the uptight anal-retentive guy that he is). :)
Or they would compromise and both fence sabre. Picard would score on a
masterful deceive, and Kirk would counter with an uppercut guard punch to
the jaw.
J.Politte
(this is SO silly)
Jeremy B. Williams
|> Christopher H. O'Kennon (psy...@cabell.vcu.edu) wrote:
|>
|> Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
|> looked like he was doing pretty well....
Picard would win, hands down, unless Kirk cheated (have McCoy cook up some
slow-release dope or have Scotty put a switch in the weapon, or something).
And then Picard would offer Kirk a cup of tea (Kirk would probably go for
Irish coffee, instead).
--J
"And rain will make the flowers. . ."
Jeremy B. Williams
|>
|> : Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
|> : looked like he was doing pretty well....
|>
|> fence foil (being the uptight anal-retentive guy that he is). :)
No, Kirk would prefer saber. Picard would, of course, be conversant in all
three weapons, but, being a gentleman, would prefer epee (in fact, that is
the weapon he was shown using on the show).
|> Or they would compromise and both fence sabre. Picard would score on a
|> masterful deceive, and Kirk would counter with an uppercut guard punch to
|> the jaw.
Reasonable.
sasha zucker
(Jeremy B. Williams) wrote:
> No, Kirk would prefer saber. Picard would, of course, be conversant in all
> three weapons, but, being a gentleman, would prefer epee (in fact, that is
> the weapon he was shown using on the show).
I beg to differ, my good man. In the episodes of ST:TNG that I've seen
picard fencing he has used a sabre and in another episode he was fencing
foil against whoopie goldberg.
-sasha
Delia M Turner
: : Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
: : Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
: : looked like he was doing pretty well....
: They wouldn't. Kirk would fence epee (fewer rules), and Picard would
: fence foil (being the uptight anal-retentive guy that he is). :)
: Or they would compromise and both fence sabre. Picard would score on a
: masterful deceive, and Kirk would counter with an uppercut guard punch to
: the jaw.
'
Picard *does* fence (foil, saw it on some episode or another), and based
on the bout I saw, Guinan would beat both him and Kirk.
--Delia
Jeremy B. Williams
Foil against Guinan? I thought it was epee, but I don't remember getting a
good look at the weapon.
And when did Picard fence saber? I remember the swashbuckling Barclay
episode, but that's not saber (more like the stuff the stage combat
people do).
Christopher H. O'Kennon
>Christopher H. O'Kennon (psy...@cabell.vcu.edu) wrote:
>: This has been keeping me up at nights:
>: Who would win in a foil bout between The Predator and an
>: Alien? I think the Predator, since he'd have a better understanding
>: of right-of-way (although the Alien might do pretty good at
>: eppee...).
>: EOJLH
>: -chris
>Strange, I have been tossing and turning all night wrestling with a
>similar question:
> Who would win in a sabre bout, pacifist-and-actor Alan Alda or
> infamous-fascist Adolf Hitler? Alda _does_ had a a longer reach
> and probably a better lunge but does he have the killer instinct
> that Adolf has too much of?
Adolf has the military skill, but Alda could act like he was
winning.
> Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
> Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
> looked like he was doing pretty well....
That's easy. Picard would kick Kirk's butt. But the
after-bout-brawl would probably go to Kirk, 'cause he's got more
hair (well, not REALLY...)
-chris
Christopher H. O'Kennon
>Also, I suppose the piste size would need to be adjusted.
Hey, no need to be talking dirty, now...
-chris
Kerry Anderson
> James M. Politte (opr...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
> : : looked like he was doing pretty well....
>
> : fence foil (being the uptight anal-retentive guy that he is). :)
> : Or they would compromise and both fence sabre. Picard would score on a
> : masterful deceive, and Kirk would counter with an uppercut guard punch to
> : the jaw.
> '
> Picard *does* fence (foil, saw it on some episode or another), and based
> on the bout I saw, Guinan would beat both him and Kirk.
>
> --Delia
>
Cummon, people! Anyone that has fenced for more than 3 months would see the pathetically choreographed sequences in ST:TNG. Gawd, it's a mockery... tink-tink-tink-tink... pause... exagerated lunge... touche. My 10 year old could beat Picard.
Now, OTOH, Sulu is the true fencer (really, I think he fenced sabre). His form in The Naked Time (was that it?) was a bit overly "clasical" but not bad.
But my champion is still Godzilla...
Kerry
Roger Books
> One of my friends once suggested a thought - imagine the "Alien"
> homeworld, where the Aliens are actually the prey of another species...
> scary thought huh? Totally irrelevant to this newsgroup, of course.
I'm not sure what this has to do with fencing..., but there is no "Alien"
homeworld. If you watch the first show closely you find they were created
as a form of biological warfare. I'm not sure if it was in the movie, but
in the book you also find they not only destroyed their intended target, but
also took out their creators.
Roger
Scott A Abfalter
I think there is more than one episode where Picard fences. In at least
one he is fencing either a holodeck simulation, or some unnamed crewman.
And there is the talk above of Guinan (I don't remember that one personally)
Scott
p.s. Who would win in saber, Conan the Barbarian or Kevin Sorbo's
Hurcules?
: --J
Ken Stieers
Picard over Guinan (he was teaching her foil in the ST:TNG episode).
Picard vs. Kirk??? who knows, but Kirk's background doesn't mention
fencing.
OTOH, Sulu was the Acadamy saber champion (its documented, I just don't
remember where), so he'd probably beat Picard.
Ken
>Cummon, people! Anyone that has fenced for more than 3 months would see
the pathetically choreographed sequences in ST:TNG. Gawd, it's a
mockery... tink
>
>Now, OTOH, Sulu is the true fencer (really, I think he fenced sabre).
His form in The Naked Time (was that it?) was a bit overly "clasical" but
not bad.
>
>But my champion is still Godzilla...
>
>Kerry
>
>
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Jeffrey J. Kraus
>>> Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
> Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
> looked like he was doing pretty well....
>No, I would put in Guinan against either of them, she is sneakier....
>Nataliia.
Why do you think Kirk would fence? I don't think he really
would have an interest in swords, or for that matter anything,
he couldn't have sex with.
"My God, Bones, the bayonet port is just the right size..."
Jeff
Natalia E
>>Why do you think Kirk would fence? I don't think he really
would have an interest in swords, or for that matter anything,
he couldn't have sex with.
I've seen him wield quite a few blunt long objects in the re-runs like a
broadsword, probably just a frustrated sabreist.
Gives a whole new meaning to taping the tip, though, doesn't it :-)
Nataliia.
Colin J Fee
think....Fencing in the ST:TNG era would be interesting? You wouldn't
need 800/1600N fencing outfits - just a portable shiled generator that
clipped onto you belt/waist that would cover yourself in a force field.
You wouldn't even need a mask although I would wear one for asthetic
reasons. The force field could even tell where you got hit not just that
you got hit and even keep score. Perhaps it could also detect the
dreaded cross-over of the feet when fencing sabre but what would it do?
Trip you up, freeze you in place, or generate a filed that stopped your
legs crossing. Although one would hope that by that time they would have
come to terms with the concept of preparation and re-instated fett
crossing and therefore the fleche.
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Christopher H. O'Kennon
>nata...@aol.com (Natalia E) writes:
>>>> Another question I should crosspost is who would win fencing,
>> Kirk or Picard. I don't recall Kirk fencing ever but Picard
>> looked like he was doing pretty well....
>>No, I would put in Guinan against either of them, she is sneakier....
>>Nataliia.
>Why do you think Kirk would fence? I don't think he really
>would have an interest in swords, or for that matter anything,
>he couldn't have sex with.
>"My God, Bones, the bayonet port is just the right size..."
>Jeff
Now Sulu, on the other hand...
-chris
Natalia E
>> Now Sulu, on the other hand...
ah, yes, now there is a fencer with fire in his eyes.....
Nataliia.
David W Neevel
> Having read the articles regarding ST:TNG and fencing prompted me to
> think....Fencing in the ST:TNG era would be interesting? You wouldn't
> need 800/1600N fencing outfits - just a portable shiled generator that
> clipped onto you belt/waist that would cover yourself in a force field.
> You wouldn't even need a mask although I would wear one for asthetic
> reasons. The force field could even tell where you got hit not just that
> you got hit and even keep score. Perhaps it could also detect the
> dreaded cross-over of the feet when fencing sabre but what would it do?
It might just use the holodeck to generate a Klingon director to
give you your yellow card with the business end of a bath'leH. That certainly
would cut down on back-talk to the referee :-).
Of course, a Klingon would probably look awfully strange in a navy
blue blazer.
-Dave
Peter Gustafsson
>I think that the question of who would win a fencing
>bout between various Star Trek and other sf characters,
>while important, pales in significance beside the question
>of who would win a fencing bout between various philosophers,
>political theorists and related visionaries.
>
>Consider, for example: Kant vs Marx. Nietzche vs Mohammed.
>Gingrich vs Ho Chi Minh (oops...guess that one's sorta been
>done already...) Better yet - we could add fictional
>philosophers into the mix. Picture the advertising for
>this one: "Hey fencing fans! This week on pay-per-view...
>Nicolo "the Prince" Machiavelli meets Paul "Muad'dib"
>Atreides". It could be a cage match...man...the possibilities
>are endless.
>
>
> Jeff "didn't Kirk have a fencing match with
> someone?" O'Brien
According to the Swedish fencing paper (back issue, several yrs old) Karl Marx
*was* actually a fencer on a hobby level. According to the description he made
up for his relative shortness and low-level technique with a ferocious
fighting spirit. There was no mentioning about any competitive success.
Kant, OTOH, was (AFAMYG) known to be clumsy and ungainly, and did not do any
sports at all.
Mohammed actually used the sabre to fight with, that was a part of those
times.
So the first 2 matches would probably end 0-5.
Have a nice time!
Peter Gustafsson
Jeremy B. Williams
|> I think that the question of who would win a fencing
|> bout between various Star Trek and other sf characters,
|> while important, pales in significance beside the question
|> of who would win a fencing bout between various philosophers,
|> political theorists and related visionaries.
I heartily approve. New threadlet.
|> Consider, for example: Kant vs Marx. Nietzche vs Mohammed.
Hmmm... would Kant regard the disengage as a deception, and thus only
use direct attacks? He would certainly use only one parry ("Act on the
maxim which could be a universal law.").
Marx, on the other hand, if he were willing to engage in such a capitalist-
feudal enterprise, would cheat if he thought he could get away with it.
No contest.
Now, Marx vs. _Hegel_ would be a fun matchup, and a quite lively rivalry.
Early Nietzsche or late? I'd put my bet on Mohammed as probably being
in better shape (not suffering from syphillis like Fred).
|> Gingrich vs Ho Chi Minh (oops...guess that one's sorta been
Huh?
|> done already...) Better yet - we could add fictional
|> philosophers into the mix. Picture the advertising for
|> this one: "Hey fencing fans! This week on pay-per-view...
|> Nicolo "the Prince" Machiavelli meets Paul "Muad'dib"
|> Atreides". It could be a cage match...man...the possibilities
|> are endless.
That's easy. Nick wins hands down -- but I'll thank you to ignore that
clever trap designed to thwart the Medici, and remember his _Discourses_
on Titus Livy and his _History_of_Florence_. Also consider the history
of the man -- ambassador and general, using novel methods of recruitment
to defeat Pisa when the best armies money could buy couldn't.
Also consider that Atreides wanted to avoid the jihad without causing
something worse. If there were such a clever, competent, responsible
person as Nick around, he wouldn't have had to have that dreadful war
-- Atreides would throw the fight.
How about Thucidides vs. Freud?
--J
"Every word that he says is a dagger in me. . ."
Scott A Abfalter
: I think that the question of who would win a fencing
: bout between various Star Trek and other sf characters,
: while important, pales in significance beside the question
: of who would win a fencing bout between various philosophers,
: political theorists and related visionaries.
: Consider, for example: Kant vs Marx. Nietzche vs Mohammed.
: Gingrich vs Ho Chi Minh (oops...guess that one's sorta been
: done already...) Better yet - we could add fictional
: philosophers into the mix. Picture the advertising for
: this one: "Hey fencing fans! This week on pay-per-view...
: Nicolo "the Prince" Machiavelli meets Paul "Muad'dib"
: Atreides". It could be a cage match...man...the possibilities
: are endless.
: Jeff "didn't Kirk have a fencing match with
: someone?" O'Brien
How about the first Darren from 'Bewitched' vs. the second Darren?
Scott Abfalter
Delia M Turner
: obr...@sklib.usask.ca wrote:
: : I think that the question of who would win a fencing
: : bout between various Star Trek and other sf characters,
: : while important, pales in significance beside the question
: : of who would win a fencing bout between various philosophers,
: : political theorists and related visionaries.
: How about the first Darren from 'Bewitched' vs. the second Darren?
This discussion is too far removed from reality. Why not pick people who
actually *could* fence one another--for instance Marcia Clark and Johnny
Cochran (foil?)? Besides, the first Darren and the second Darren come
from alternate realities and therefore could never encounter one another
on the piste without creating a third universe...How about Tonja Harding
and Nancy Kerrigan, sabre? Camille Paglia and Quentin Tarrentino, epee?
Albert Shanker and Rush Limbaugh, shillelaghs? <continuing on in muffled
tones through the gag and gesticulating in the straitjacket as they haul
her away>
--Delia
Roger Books
> How about Thucidides vs. Freud?
I have it on good authority that Freud could never commit to an attack.
After all, he did switch from saying his female patients were molested
by their fathers to saying they had penis envy, back to the molested
theory.
Nixon vs Richlieu, Pope Boniface VIII vs Ayatollah Khomenie(sp?) the
battle of the evil old geezers, Cathrine de Medici vs Lucretia Borgia.
Roger
Dean R Biron
>battle of the evil old geezers, Cathrine de Medici vs Lucretia Borgia.
>
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>
>What about the most interesting matchup? Plato vs. Aristotle. It's the
>only bout that matters.
>
>
>
No, no no.....the most important matchup would be
Guardian Bob versus Earthworm Jim.....
Jeff
Jeremy B. Williams
|> Jeremy B. Williams (ep...@temp3.physics.uiuc.edu) wrote:
|>
|> > How about Thucidides vs. Freud?
|>
|> After all, he did switch from saying his female patients were molested
|> by their fathers to saying they had penis envy, back to the molested
|> theory.
Yes, but Freud also is an expert on defense mechanisms. Even if he can't
commit due to his own insecurities, he might get some lucky touches.
Guess it depends which weapon.
Thucidides, meanwhile, is really good at seeing through deceptions.
Should be an interesting matchup -- my bet's on the Greek.
|>
|> Nixon vs Richlieu. . .
Would Nixon have a chance?
Kevin Joel Haidl
Jeremy B. Williams <ep...@temp1.physics.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Huh? Plato v. Aristotle is in an early pool. They're well matched, and
>although Plato is the stronger contender, his overinflated ego could cost
>him a lot of bouts. I'm more interested in the later rounds of the
>Philosophers' Open: Kant v. Bentham and Hegel v. Nietzsche. And, of course,
>Einstein v. Dirac and Newton v. Leibnitz. Maybe a barrage between Locke,
>Marx, and Hume in the consolation tournament.
Could you imagine Plato as a president? Ugh. He'd be one of
those "classic French style" guys who'd never allow most of your
beautiful touches. Oh well, stick the arm out and do a bunch of
disengages I suppose.
Kevin
David T. Neal
Socrates vs. Protagoras (I'd have to favor Sox, but Proto would be able
to do some fancy footwork)
Trotsky vs. Stalin (Trotsky'd best punch test his mask beforehand)
Cesar Borgia vs. Julius Caesar (nahhh, Cesar'd use poison...)
Tokugawa vs. Perry (classic "what if" scenario...katana versus saber)
Vlad Tepes vs. Saladin (this might be a mixed match...Vlad would favor a
thrusting weapon, while Saladin is a saber man)
Joan of Arc vs. Elizabeth I (a classic; Joan's a lefty, and Liz's pretty
cagey)
Antigone vs. Medea (another good one, although it could get pretty
fierce)
Copernicus vs. any pope (Copernicus would probably push for fencing in
the round, while the popes would try to keep it linear...)
Ockham vs. Hume (Ockham's got a skill with edged weapons, as we know, but
Hume's a feisty Scotsman...)
Schrodinger vs. his cat (I'd have to go for the cat on that one; he's got
a bone or two to pick with Schrodinger...)
Any of these would be pretty good matches.
S.D. Barnes
: Schrodinger vs. his cat (I'd have to go for the cat on that one; he's got
: a bone or two to pick with Schrodinger...)
Perhaps Heisenburg vs. Schrodinger's Cat would be an even match? I
think I'd still vote for the cat. After doing my fair share of feral
animal wrestling I'd say the score would be 5-1, but the bout would be
incredibly long. Time would expire.
Sept
David T. Neal
(pardon my French) of the movie of the same name...we're talking the '46
Cyrano, with Jose Ferrar.
Jeremy B. Williams
|> All right guys, how about this one?
|> Inigo Montoya vs. Benedict of Amber. . .
If it was after he lost his hand, Benedict might take a while to win (a couple
minutes or so), but Benedict is clearly superior -- after all, Montoya's
only a shadow.
Chris Zakes / Tivar Moondragon
Inigo Montoya vs. Benedict of Amber. . .
-Chris Zakes
"Patience and Persistence"
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Christopher H. O'Kennon
> -Dave
I think it's a little scary that you would know the name of
that Klingon thing (is the back'leH the pain stick or one of those
pointy things?).
-chris
Eric Robert Sylwester
Speaking of cats, how about Alice vs. the Chesire Cat? The Mad
Hatter vs. the Doormouse (definitely foil, this one)? Tweedle Dee vs.
Tweedle Dum?
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: S.D. Barnes (se...@polaris.net) wrote:
: > David T. Neal (dtn...@nwu.edu) wrote:
:
: > : a bone or two to pick with Schrodinger...)
:
: > Perhaps Heisenburg vs. Schrodinger's Cat would be an even match? I
: > think I'd still vote for the cat. After doing my fair share of feral
: > animal wrestling I'd say the score would be 5-1, but the bout would be
: > incredibly long. Time would expire.
:
: > Sept
:
: If your feral animal wrestling is any indication you should be scoring that
: bout 5-0. The next time you try to use a poor little kitten in that manner
: you need to get Dr. Kavorkian to help you and you may be successful.
:
hmm how does the fact that the cat is both somewhat alive and
somewhat dead at the same time alter the probability of its flick
landing? also, what about its height? doesnt that affect the target
area? and is the cat standing, or on 4 feet?
: Roger (I've never seen anyone try to commit suicide with a 3 pound cat before.)
i have.. its pretty gruesome
chris
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> Guardian Bob versus Earthworm Jim.....
Groundskeeper Willie (from The Simpsons) could take 'em both, blindfolded!
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says...
>
>In article <45eb00$3...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, dtn...@nwu.edu (David T.
>|> I like the visionary fencing tourneys...
>|>
>|> Socrates vs. Protagoras (I'd have to favor Sox, but Proto would be
able
>|> to do some fancy footwork)
>
>Gatorade with the hemlock, he'd probably win; after all, he was the
>inventor of the flick shot (although it was not considered proper
>technique at the time, and the Athenian FOC charged him with "corrupting
>the youth," as a result).
NO...it's Protagoras, the elder statesman of Sophism, not Pythagoras. I
agree with your assessment on the flick shot, though.
You're right about Raleigh and Drake bailing out the Lizard with Joan of
Arc.
Peter Gustafsson
This thread is setting new silliness records for r.s.f. every day - if we
don´t watch out we will reach alt.* level soon! One wonders if some writers
are sabreurs who haven´t learnt to parry coup dé tete perfectly. :-)
Let´s see if *I* can add something as nutty to it! ( Without ending up in
everybody´s killfile :-( )
(Peter leaves computer and goes to the armorer room, takes a deep breath from
that wiring glue tube, staggers back to computer)
I am back!
My suggestion for "who would win" duel that we all want to see is:
<Drum Roll>
George Edward Kolombatowitch Vs. Sasha Zucker
Weapon: Rules binder
Mode of scoring: Only cutting, no thrusting
In order to compensate for SZ´s lesser experience, he should be allowed to
fight with a rules book which has a longer reach. This can be accomplished by
affixing a Italian grip to the spine of the rules binder which he fights with.
Since the rules binder is considerably stiffer than all conventionally used
weapons, the thorny issue of flicks and their legality can be neatly avoided.
The scoring mode is designed to be pedagogical: Since neither of the potential
combatants seems to be very interested in snipping the parts of the posts
which are not essential for understanding of the discussion, a bit of cutting
training would be useful for both of them.
Since they fairly often seem to talk past each other, the referee should be
instructed to enforce the no-fleché rule.
The rules book must be held be the spine (or Italian grip). This will simplify
the calling of right-of-way: it either combatant pulls back his weapon the
binder will open up, by a combination of air resistance and resitance to
acceleration, thus making the observation of the weapons phrase easy.
Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets!
(Note for the humour-impaired: insert smileys in the text above at stochastic
intervals.)
Jim Davis
: How about Newt vs Prez Clinton (Bill, not Hilary. We want it
: to be fair...)? Newt's pretty crafty, but then, it's pretty hard to
: pin Bill down...
: -chris
I personally would like to see Barney vrs. Big Bird's 'imaginary'
friend Mr Snuffleupagus. Although I see Snuffy prefering Epee while
Barney is definately a Sabre sort.
Snuffy would have a minor handicap in that he has no hands, but
seeing as how Barney's arms are only a foot long, it balances out. In
this match would it make any difference that Snuffy has For legs?
Perhaps extending the strip would be wise.
Catch you all later,
KiwiDust (who obviously put to much thought into this!)