Rules Question

[Kelley]

Hey All-

The following discussion came up among my ulti-friends and
lovers:

When (if ever) is it allowable to count stalls on a player
when that player has not yet established his pivot foot on
the playing field proper? The three situations I have in
mind are these:

Situation A: Offensive player catches the disc and his
momentum carries him out of bounds. Can I start stalling as
soon as he catches the disc or do I need to wait until he
establishes a pivot foot/ground tap?

Situation B: Offensive player catches the disc and his
momentum carries him over the goal line that he is
attacking. Can I start stalling as soon as he catches the
disc or do I need to wait until he establishes a pivot
foot/ground tap?

Situation C: Defensive player catches a disc in the endzone
he is defending. He is now on offense. Can I start
stalling as soon as he intercepts the disc, or do I need to
wait until he moves to the goal line and establishes a pivot
foot (or establishes a pivot foot where he is since he is
not required to move to the goal line)?

My confusion lies here: In each of these situations, it
seems like the player could take their sweet time
establishing a pivot foot, thus allowing their team to set
up, and gain an advantage while I am relegated to wait for
him to be ready.

I've read the delay of game rules and understand how they
could apply to these situations but what I really want to
know is do I have to apply them or can I simply start
stalling.

Thanks for any help you can give.

FK
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[mvuong]

Rule XIV.A.2. Only the marker (II.K) may initiate or
continue a stall count, and may do so anytime a thrower has
possession of a disc that is live or in play. However,
directly after a turnover or when putting the pull into play
the stall may not be initiated before a pivot is
established, unless delay of game or pre-stall rules
(XIII.A.3, XIII.A.4, XIII.A.5 or VI.B.5.d) apply.

That should answer all three situations.

[Reggie Fanelli]

> Situation A:  Offensive player catches the disc and his
> momentum carries him out of bounds.  Can I start stalling as
> soon as he catches the disc or do I need to wait until he
> establishes a pivot foot/ground tap?

--if you're at the proper spot where the new thrower will establish a
pivot....start stalling.
if you're playing in the UOA...the official will be counting for you,
as long as you're in the proper marking position.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Situation B:  Offensive player catches the disc and his
> momentum carries him over the goal line that he is
> attacking.  Can I start stalling as soon as he catches the
> disc or do I need to wait until he establishes a pivot
> foot/ground tap?

---don't wait for them to establish a pivot...or they might take that
time to chill out, let their teammates catch up to the play....or
maybe they'll slow down and call out a play and set their team up.
start stalling immediately as long as you(the marker) are at the spot
where the new thrower will set a pivot at the goal line.
if you're playing UOA...the official will start the stall count for
you.
~~~~~~~~~~

> Situation C:  Defensive player catches a disc in the endzone
> he is defending.  He is now on offense.  Can I start
> stalling as soon as he intercepts the disc, or do I need to
> wait until he moves to the goal line and establishes a pivot
> foot (or establishes a pivot foot where he is since he is
> not required to move to the goal line)?

---the marker can stall the disc if the new thrower establishes a
pivot foot in the endzone, but must wait to stall if the new thrower
walks the disc to the goal line.
if you're playing in the UOA...the official will start the stall count
if the new thrower establishes a pivot in the endzone, or will
initiate the warning count if the thrower walks to the line.

[Chad]

A and B are exactly the same. I find it helps to think of
the field excluding the attacking endzone as the "playing
field proper".

At least that's how I interpret the rules. I'd appreciate it
if someone could confirm or refute this way of thinking
because it has some other implications which seem to
contradict popular belief.

1. Since the front of the attacking endzone line is part of
the pfp, it's OK to set your pivot ON THE LINE after you've
run into the endzone and you need to come out.

2. The sideline is considered out of bounds so you need to
set your pivot foot IN THE FIELD after running out the side
(or putting the disc into play after a turnover out the
side). Pivoting on the line is out and throwing from there
is a violation.

3. After the other team throws it out the side of your
defending endzone, you should put the disc into play inside
the cone because the cone (or where it was) is considered
out. You may find that the cone gets in the way of your
sweet fakes and kicking it looks cool so go ahead.

4. On unlined fields when you're trying to establish whether
you were in or out, it's actually a separate matter whether
you were in the endzone or in the playing field proper. If
you want to know if you were in the endzone then you use the
cones surrounding the endzone (cones are not in the
endzone). If you want to know if you are in the pfp then you
use the cones surrounding the pfp. In other words, use the
cones you are between, not the cones you are attacking.

Is that all true?