The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
Head Beagle
bit worn and I think my ankles have recovered enough to move to some
lower/lighter cleats.
I like the football cleats, the added toe cleat seems advantageous.
I have heard a lot of good things about some Nike cleats (Speed D/
Speed TD???) performance, although I have heard their durability is a
bit lacking.
Any other shoes that are in the same class as the Nikes?
Any good sources for these shoes?
Any other recomendations? I have met a few former LAX players playing
ultimate that swear by their LAX cleats. Any thoughts on those?
Finally, I really want to see someone show up at a tourney wearing
these: http://www.rugbyimports.com/browse.cfm/4,973.htm
Not me, but someone.
Discuss the great cleat debate
Head Beagle
So, there are a TON of choices. Any experience with any of these??
rickst
Balance is often overlooked, try them out.
These LAX cleats have the toe spike-
I've had a pair for over a year, which is surprisingly long.
jerm...@gmail.com
Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
narrow or wide feet. Check em out. I get mine here:
On Jun 18, 9:31 am, rickst <caric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the warrior LAX cleats made by new balance are really nice. New
> Balance is often overlooked, try them out.
>
> These LAX cleats have the toe spike-
> I've had a pair for over a year, which is surprisingly long.
>
> http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%2...
Bill Mill
Sports Authority:
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/action--view/sku--352616/model_nbr--70263/supercat--shoes/cm--54434/id--54434/mvp--sport/sport--all/
and
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/action--view/sku--352616/model_nbr--70263/supercat--shoes/cm--54434/id--54434/mvp--sport/sport--all/
On really good turf, nothing beats the cleat pattern of the first
shoe, and I like the adidas version of it. Though I've never tried any
others.
However, since I rarely play on good turf (I'll save those for
Ottawa), I usually play in the second pair. I guess I like them
alright; it took my feet a while to get used to them, but they finally
have. However, I feel like I kind of swim in them, whereas my last 2
pairs of Speed TDs were like a damn cleat sock, they fit so tight. Not
great for putting on/taking off, but really superb out on the field.
I don't think I dislike the Adidas enough to go buy new TDs, but I
think I'll be going back next year. Less padding, lighter, and
tighter.
-Bill Mill
bill...@gmail.com
disci...@hotmail.com
1st off, it you're over 170 lbs, you must have a football cleat.
Football cleats (those meant for wide outs and members of the
secondary) are designed for two things, speed and a quick change of
direction. They are made with only these two things in mind, as I say,
football cleats are designed for cutting, not kicking. Soccer cleats,
especially those made from ridiculous hopping animal leather, are
overly expensive and not nearly durable enough. Football cleats are
made for people who do what we do (cut) and are bigger than us, so
they are far more durable.
I've only had two pairs of cleats last over 4 months and they both
lasted over a year. A pair of speed TD's from their '05 line and a
pair of speed D's from the '06 line. Both were light enough and
allowed me to cut in a way that made me say, "wow, I've never been
able to cut like this." My defense was immediately, noticeably
improved. I'll never go back.
In a sport where there is really one piece of equipment to buy,
investing a few extra dollars in that one piece is the right thing to
do. If you are a staunch soccer cleatist, wake up, and give yourself a
chance to be more. Pick up some Speed TD's, and be forever happier.
Droske
features wrapped in one are the adidas world cups. football stud
pattern, lighter than the speed tds, and very very durable. i would
not suggest them to players who are prone to ankle sprains but other
than that they are definitely the best in the 100 dollar price
range. wish i got to wear mine this season
Head Beagle
Casey
> Difference between Speed TD and Speed D??
TD is the molded cleat.
D is the detachable-stud cleat (screw-ins).
dunkshow
I am happy with them.The price is good and the cleat pattern is
comparable to the Speed TDs, which I owned prior. Although I found the
Speed TDs to be a bit more comfortable they blew out way too fast for
their price and in rainy conditions they weighed a ton. Although, that
is probably true for any cleat. Looking at Eastbay they are running
low on sizes, I think was last years model, I recommend looking into
their new models.
Barrett
http://tinyurl.com/2ju2ab
has been the best cleat of many, many soccer and football cleats I've
had. A little lighter than other football cleats (though not as light
as the very lightest soccer cleats), one and a half years of play w/
very little sign of wear, and your feet essentially stay completely
dry in wet weather -- or after a full morning in the dew in Sarasota.
I prefer bladed cleats like these over round for very sharp cuts, but
this may be just a matter of preference -- although the very 1st time
i tried out cleats w/ blades, I felt like I could stop and cut better
than I ever had been able to with rounded cleats, so I recommend
giving them a try if you never have.
They vapor jets are definitely on a wider last than nike soccer
cleats, and maybe slightly roomier than speed TDs. They're also a
little on the spendy side.
Garrett
fan of all the other underarmour stuff i've had.
LJ
> anyone have experience with the underarmour cleats? i am a pretty big
> fan of all the other underarmour stuff i've had.
Give UA a couple more years to make a quality cleat. I have not owned
a pair, but heard lots of bad things about them...like blow outs, heal
cup falling off, very uncomfortable, and heavy. Most are specific for
football, so unless you need the extra support, look somewhere else.
I would trust companies that have been making cleats for years and let
UA catch up in that department.
I personally have two pairs of the Nike Steams......the cheap version
of the vapors (soccer boot). They're about 3 oz heavier then the high
end vapors, but have the same style and design. Not a good boot, if
you are looking for alot of ankle support. So far they have been
great, light weight and fairly comfortable. Both pairs are FG.
JeffWorne
things about them, and a few guys on my team that have them swear that
they are the lightest cleats they've ever used. Plus, their
durability issues seem to have been worked out (1+ years for one guy,
strong cutter). I had heard that they are based off of the Speed TDs.
cougaru...@yahoo.com
football cleats are better than soccer cleats for Ultimate. They are
built for speed and fast cuts, so just about any football cleat you
get will be good.
However, I recently made the move to Lacrosse cleats and theres no
turning back for me now. They are made for Ultimate but somehow got
mass-produced as a Lacrosse cleat. As mentioned earlier, the warrior
is a decent cleat, but its too high on the ankle in my opinion and a
bit heavier than some of the others out there.
Here's the one I just picked up and I love it
Taylo...@gmail.com
pair, and not because the other have blown out because the haven't.
They do however run a tad big, so I went down a half size. My favorite
aspect is the molded upper that reinforces the toe line, dispersing
pressure from sudden stops to more of the foot and less on the big
toe. I think in the long run this will cut down the likelihood of turf
toe....
-taylor
Kohn
I've ever worn.
Feetch
rollinnufffatter
bladed heal cleats and standard round cleats on the sole.
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/action--view/sku--13406101/model_nbr--70007/supercat--home/id--0/mvp--/cm--Cross+Sell/
Duchamanos
same cleat patter. So far I've had them for about 6 months and they
still look brand new. I slip more with the stud cleats in the front
because they're inset a little far away from the edge of the bottom.
I don't know if the Super Bads have the same problem. Great ankle
support.
I say this every time, but a couple guys out of Oklahoma use golf
cleats (Jeff Koontz amongst them) and I never see them slip or get
beat on D. Also they seem to have lasted around 2+ years and are
described as the comfiest cleats on the market.
Karl Doege always plays barefoot, but he has chameleon feet that take
on the appearance of cleats. They are always red, gold and green.
Red, gold and green.
Ultimat...@gmail.com
Tunits. They are extremely light and are part of the tunit series
that has the interchangable parts. I played the entire college season
in them and they were amazing. Keep in mind is is a soccer cleat so
it does not have the ankle support like most of the ultimate players
rely on for some reason.
Adam Tarr
> Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
> shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
> narrow or wide feet.
You mean, excessively wide feet. NB cleats do not come in narrow
sizes, only normal and wide sizes.
The Speed TD is a pretty narrow cleat, though, so there you go.
Mimmo
of problems with things breaking off of them/lack of comfort and other
difficulties...a lot of people in the area experienced the same
tried some super bads and they were super awful
the speed td's are the way to go...they provide a great balance in
weight, comfort, support, and they look pretty cool too.
but really you gotta just figure out what works best for you, buy some
cleats, go out to a field on a dry day and do some cutting, as long as
they aren't noticeably dirty the store will usually take 'em back.
Daag Alemayehu
> anyone try the Nike "super bad" (what a stupid name)?
>
What's wrong with the name?? I think it's funny.
Anyway, when I last went looking for cleats (beginning of last fall
season) the two most sought after cleats according to the various
salespeople in various Atlanta stores were the Speed TDs and the Super
Bads. After I tried on the Super Bads I bought them, and my only
regret is that they didn't have the white ones like in that link you
posted.
I don't use the removable ankle supports because I feel the shoes
themselves are high enough for my own needs. They're fairly
comfortable after you break them in and they made cutting MUCH easier
for me. The only problem is that they're not very light, but that's
to be expected from a football cleat. Probably my favorite pair of
cleats I've ever used for ultimate. If I had any money right now I'd
invest in a second pair (white, natch).
jerm...@gmail.com
> jermle...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
> > shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
> > narrow or wide feet.
>
> You mean, excessively wide feet. NB cleats do not come in narrow
> sizes, only normal and wide sizes.
Quite right- I stand corrected. As you point out, narrow-footed folks
are already well taken care of, by the Speed TD, many Adidas cleats,
etc. The pickins are considerably slimmer for wide-footed folks, and
if you have full on Hobbit feet like me (size 7.5, EEEE), almost non-
existant. The NB cleats were a godsend.
am...@dana.ucc.nau.edu
> if you have full on Hobbit feet like me (size 7.5, EEEE), almost non-
> existant. The NB cleats were a godsend.
It's not the size that matters, it's the width...
rollinnufffatter
> What's wrong with the name?? I think it's funny.
well, err uhh I dunno...... maybe it makes me feel like I'm listening
to a bad Michael Jackson song?
>
> Anyway, when I last went looking for cleats (beginning of last fall
> season) the two most sought after cleats according to the various
> salespeople in various Atlanta stores were the Speed TDs and the Super
> Bads. After I tried on the Super Bads I bought them, and my only
> regret is that they didn't have the white ones like in that link you
> posted.
>
> I don't use the removable ankle supports because I feel the shoes
> themselves are high enough for my own needs. They're fairly
> comfortable after you break them in and they made cutting MUCH easier
> for me. The only problem is that they're not very light, but that's
> to be expected from a football cleat. Probably my favorite pair of
> cleats I've ever used for ultimate. If I had any money right now I'd
> invest in a second pair (white, natch).
well, thanks for the review. they are expensive . are they worth
it? is the better feel and cutting worth the extra 20 dollars that it
costs more than the Speed TD?
joe
No, I liked the Super Bads, but I won't pick them over the speed TD's
again. They are little heavier and my pair didn't last as long as the
speed TD's. Only advantage was felt I felt a little sharper side to
side cuts. Get the speed TD's
joe
michael...@yale.edu
just got these and found them to be fucking bad ass
http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml#l=nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-136147/pid-136145,_grid,f-10002+12001+4294967196+26015&re=US&co=US&la=EN
I also had these but they are a bit too tight and facilitated my
development of plantar faciitis.
http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml#l=nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-100238/pid-100237,_grid,f-26006+12001&re=US&co=US&la=EN
A team mate of mine seems to love the under armour ones, but like any
cleat, they might tear up your feet until they toughen up
kbfreder
i liked my first pair of gaia G4's, too. i feel very quick in them, i
cut well in them, and i hard every slip. not for weak ankles,
however. now, my second pair, is rubbing on the outside of my little
toe quite a bit and kills by the end of a day. they also tend to
aggravate my plantar fasciitis. might have to check out something
else...
Head Beagle
contributed.
Another question.
Most of the sources for these cleats that have been listed are online
stores. Great for buying, not so hot for trying on.
What types of sports stores have you found that carry these higher end
cleats so I can try these on? I have checked some of the larger
sporting goods stores (Dick's, SPorts Authority, etc) and usually they
don't carry the higher end cleats. Where do I look?
BTW, to be specific, in the Denver area would be great, but also in
general for all of us to benefit is good.
Head Beagle
Same shoe, or different??
Adam Tarr
> Speed TD and Super Speed TD??
>
> Same shoe, or different??
Speed TD = the shoe everyone talks about.
Super Speed D = A detachable stud version of the speed TD. Same upper
and same fit as the Speed TD, but a soft field stud pattern.
Super Speed TD = a cleat that does not exist as far as I know.
Generally a corruption of the name Super Speed D.
Adam Tarr
> Most of the sources for these cleats that have been listed are online
> stores. Great for buying, not so hot for trying on.
>
> What types of sports stores have you found that carry these higher end
> cleats so I can try these on? I have checked some of the larger
> sporting goods stores (Dick's, SPorts Authority, etc) and usually they
> don't carry the higher end cleats. Where do I look?
>
> BTW, to be specific, in the Denver area would be great, but also in
> general for all of us to benefit is good.
I have had almost no luck finding these cleats in stores. Have you
tried calling Niketown (in downtown)?
Under Armour cleats are available in some places, but I advise you
call ahead and make sure they read the EXACT name on the box to you.
A lot of the sales folks don't know the difference between the fat
heavy lineman models and the lighter models.
I tried to find the Nike Shogun (women's lacrosse cleat) locally so
that my wife could try it on, but I had no luck. In general, women
are even worse off than men since there aren't women's football
cleats.
At the end of the day, the best option might be to order online from a
place that has low shipping costs and a good return policy. That's
obviously annoying and makes it hard to compare models, but there it
is.
Joa'quine (Joaq)
> Has anyone tried out the nike mercurial talaria's?
Yeah, I love them. They're really light, and you're not paying for an
upper (like with other soccer cleats). There is no toe cleat, but I
don't mind that and I like them more then the vapors I had. I
wouldn't get them if you have ankle problems.
jlo
> place that has low shipping costs and a good return policy. That's
> obviously annoying and makes it hard to compare models, but there it
> is.
Footlocker.com
You have to pay the shipping on each pair you buy, but the incremental
cost is less than the individual, and you can return the ones that you
don't want to your local Footlocker.
Head Beagle
Next question:
Fit comparison: Vapor Jet TD vs. Speed TD??
If one feels good, will the other probably feel good as well??
am...@dana.ucc.nau.edu
>
> Yeah, I love them. They're really light, and you're not paying for an
> upper (like with other soccer cleats). There is no toe cleat, but I
> don't mind that and I like them more then the vapors I had. I
> wouldn't get them if you have ankle problems.
How do the Talaria's fit? True to size like the website says?
I really like my Speed Vapors, and I've been trying to use them
sparingly, but they're wearing down. Looking for something similar
without going to the vapor Jet's. How do these two compare to not only
the Speed Vapors, but each other as well?
Talaria:
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH/supercat--home/model_nbr--76574/sku--12696417/node--0/
Also, is it just me or does it seem like every guy in Boulder bought
stock in Nike, then purchased 10 pairs of the Speed Vapors each? I
mean, Richter and Jolian even did some shoe trading thing so one cleat
would be red, the other blue...
Rich Johnston
model from normal speed TD's? They're certainly listed differently
and separately.
Super Speed II TD
http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml#l=nikestore,grid,_grid,f-10002+12001+4294967196+26015,_pdp,cid-1/gid-119633/pid-119633&re=US&co=US&la=EN
Maybe they're not different, I really can't tell.
Rich
On Jun 21, 4:26 pm, "a...@dana.ucc.nau.edu" <a...@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
wrote:
> > > Has anyone tried out the nike mercurial talaria's?
>
> > Yeah, I love them. They're really light, and you're not paying for an
> > upper (like with other soccer cleats). There is no toe cleat, but I
> > don't mind that and I like them more then the vapors I had. I
> > wouldn't get them if you have ankle problems.
>
> How do the Talaria's fit? True to size like the website says?
>
> I really like my Speed Vapors, and I've been trying to use them
> sparingly, but they're wearing down. Looking for something similar
> without going to the vapor Jet's. How do these two compare to not only
> the Speed Vapors, but each other as well?
> Talaria:http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%2...
>
> Steam:http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%2...
jna...@hmc.edu
wrote:
> How do the Talaria's fit? True to size like the website says?
Last year they were narrow, which I liked, but this year the Nike
Mercurial Talaria III are true to size.
jna...@hmc.edu
Yes, true to size.
Head Beagle
fantastic as they are supposed to. Thanks for the input from everyone.
chan
Thrill Fly or Scorch Fly??
Thanks.
BJ
> Question, anyone play in adidas football cleats? Specifically the
> Thrill Fly or Scorch Fly??
>
> Links:
>
> Scorch Flyhttp://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...
>
> Thanks.
i only play in adidas, and ive played in both of these shoes.
id recommend the scorches over the thrills (life motto?) simply
because the scorches are a bit more rigid in the surrounding material.
I felt that the thrill's uppers gave too much and allowed for your
foot to move more than you would want it to.
the "fly" cleat plate is solid though. I still like the TRX pattern
the best,
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/action--view/sku--547528/model_nbr--51304/supercat--outlet/cm--35002094%3A%20SHOE%20SIZE%20SEARCH/id--0/mvp--/
but those are all but discontinued.
Bill Mill
> but those are all but discontinued.
Those are exactly the ones I have, and I sold them to a friend because
they're too unsupportive. Back to Speed TDs for me, I've loved my last
two pairs, and I'm not sure why I gave up on them.
-Bill Mill
bobmu...@gmail.com
Bill Mill
> what's better between the Vapor Jet TDs and the Speed TDs?
Never tried the vapors, but I love my speeds.
-Bill Mill
JeffWorne
cleat pattern on the vapors is better, but the speeds are like wearing
a sock - they're so damn tight it's amazing. For my foot (fairly
narrow but not horrible), the speeds are the way to go IMO. If the
speeds had the cleat pattern of the vapors, those would be the
ultimate (no pun) cleat. If you have wider feet, I'd recommend the
vapors.
jay.sc...@pomona.edu
that the bladed cleats work much better than the circular ones.
The first few times I wore my vapors, i was shocked at how much
traction they got when I made sharp cuts. They are easy to cut in
that it took me a practice or two to get used to.