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ulticritic
May 5, 2012, 10:12:38 PM5/5/12
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whats up with the headgear you are allowing your players to wear? i
just watched the week 3 "inside the audl" highlights and was
disappointed to see one players (that made a diving block/catch)
wearing a beanie cap and two others wearing backwards baseball hats.
now maybe, just maybe, i could cut yall some slack if they were
actually matching/team hats/caps but still. allow headbands or even
baseball caps if they match the uniforms (and not worn backwards!!!)
but c'mon. tighten that shit up. of which, why is philli the only
team that seems to tuck in their shirts. i'd make it a league rule/
dress code.....like the nba.
just watched the week 3 "inside the audl" highlights and was
disappointed to see one players (that made a diving block/catch)
wearing a beanie cap and two others wearing backwards baseball hats.
now maybe, just maybe, i could cut yall some slack if they were
actually matching/team hats/caps but still. allow headbands or even
baseball caps if they match the uniforms (and not worn backwards!!!)
but c'mon. tighten that shit up. of which, why is philli the only
team that seems to tuck in their shirts. i'd make it a league rule/
dress code.....like the nba.
Misha
May 5, 2012, 10:30:03 PM5/5/12
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We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the only
headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
backwards. You will also be happy to know that we tucked
today.
Misha
CTC #7
--
Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com
headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
backwards. You will also be happy to know that we tucked
today.
Misha
CTC #7
--
Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 9:29:33 AM5/6/12
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On May 5, 10:30 pm, Misha <misha.horow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the only
> headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
> backwards. You will also be happy to know that we tucked
> today.
>
> Misha
> CTC #7
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the only
> headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
> backwards. You will also be happy to know that we tucked
> today.
>
> Misha
> CTC #7
---DAMN....that is a COOL as hell response!!!!!
ulticritic
May 6, 2012, 10:44:17 AM5/6/12
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long sleve shirts under the jerzies IF they match but leggings????
brodie looks like he's wearing his pajamas under his uniform. is it
really that cold where yall are playing? seems like you (the ones
wearing undergarments) should be able to take ir for a couple of
hours. i mean, i dont think ive EVER seen a professional soccer
player wear leggings under their shorts and i know ive seen some games
played in pretty cold temeratures where you could see the players
breath.
ulticritic
May 6, 2012, 10:56:05 AM5/6/12
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On May 5, 10:30 pm, Misha <misha.horow...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the only
> headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
> backwards.
go to the audl web page and click on the "inside the audl" highlight
reel......of which, has anyone told yall not to wear em backwards?
-----------------------------------------------------
You will also be happy to know that we tucked
> today.
i definetly am, you make the sport look better by doing so.
i also must say that i REALLY like that you guys use the whole width
of the marked football field but let me ask, how much of an adjust
ment is this, do you like it better and how do you think you (audl
players) will be effected by switching back to the narrower field when
playing in usau and other events? i could see independent events
adopting this wider field IF there is enough room at tournies AND if
the audl players advocate it as being better.......can you see that
happening?
and what about the refs? are yall enjoying that facilitation to the
point where you could see other elite level events using refs or at
least more empowered observers? obviously the usau events will resist
using them but i would imagine there will be alot of chatter
(comparison and contrast) at this years elite events(nationals
included) as to how better/worse/different playing with refs is. do
you think you can give us some insight as to the general consensus as
to where most people stand thus far with the whole "ref" thing? and
do the refs seem to be improving as the wees go by?
> We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the only
> headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore them
> backwards.
reel......of which, has anyone told yall not to wear em backwards?
-----------------------------------------------------
You will also be happy to know that we tucked
> today.
i also must say that i REALLY like that you guys use the whole width
of the marked football field but let me ask, how much of an adjust
ment is this, do you like it better and how do you think you (audl
players) will be effected by switching back to the narrower field when
playing in usau and other events? i could see independent events
adopting this wider field IF there is enough room at tournies AND if
the audl players advocate it as being better.......can you see that
happening?
and what about the refs? are yall enjoying that facilitation to the
point where you could see other elite level events using refs or at
least more empowered observers? obviously the usau events will resist
using them but i would imagine there will be alot of chatter
(comparison and contrast) at this years elite events(nationals
included) as to how better/worse/different playing with refs is. do
you think you can give us some insight as to the general consensus as
to where most people stand thus far with the whole "ref" thing? and
do the refs seem to be improving as the wees go by?
Jared
May 6, 2012, 2:28:12 PM5/6/12
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Personally my biggest problem with the AUDL is the football
field... I feel like it impacts the integrity of the game.
With the wide field there is so much space to throw around
defenders, and I think ultimately it affects the quality of
the on-the-field product. Maybe it's just cause i am so use
to the usau rules, but I feel like it would be much better
if they stuck to the 40yd field width.
I don't care so much about the spandex, and tucking in...
personally I think tucking makes them look a bit silly.
Spandex is necessary to stay warm in these early spring...
they aren't exactly playing in the warmest cities.
field... I feel like it impacts the integrity of the game.
With the wide field there is so much space to throw around
defenders, and I think ultimately it affects the quality of
the on-the-field product. Maybe it's just cause i am so use
to the usau rules, but I feel like it would be much better
if they stuck to the 40yd field width.
I don't care so much about the spandex, and tucking in...
personally I think tucking makes them look a bit silly.
Spandex is necessary to stay warm in these early spring...
they aren't exactly playing in the warmest cities.
Misha
May 6, 2012, 2:45:04 PM5/6/12
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I wanted to quote your post in my reply so I could address
it point by point but I can't find the option to do that,
so...
- As far as uniform uniformity, we were told that, if
players were going to wear hats, they had to be CTC hats and
all had to match. I don't remember anything regarding
wearing them forward vs. backward, but I can understand the
aesthetic argument. Wristbands and such seem to be ok, and
don't necessarily have to match.
- Sleeves/leggings: we (CTC) can only wear leggings if they
are black and/or blue, to try to match our uniforms well. I
felt the same way you do when the 3/4 leggings started to
come into the NBA... I thought they looked kinda silly and
distracting. But now that so much of the league wears them,
I don't really have an issue. I don't think it's a warmth
issue so much as the extra support you get from these (I
have CW-X 3/4s and, whether its a placebo effect or not,
they feel great). I would have rather not worn long sleeves
yesterday, but the FieldTurf surface at our home facility is
rather abrasive -- layouts sting for a while -- and I wanted
to leave the game with flesh intact.
- Field width: we have talked about this a lot as a team
and, while we are getting better at exploiting the added
width, we are nowhere near where we will eventually be as
far as incorporating it into our offense. I think it works
well; it certainly changes the offense. It's incredibly
hard for a defense to cover all that ground, especially
against an offense that's moving the disc quickly. I think,
with the limits on field space at most tournament sites, we
probably won't see the dimensions spread to more
"traditional" tournaments, but I really don't see it as a
paradigm-altering thing... ultimate is, more or less, a
simple game; the field vision needed to be a good thrower is
the same regardless of the field dimensions. I'm not worried
about the transition back to 70x40.
- Refs: by and large, I do really enjoy playing with the
refs. They have clearly been making efforts to understand
the game and how it should be called, and there's been less
intentional exploitation by players (trying to "get away"
with stuff that the ref doesn't see, which was my main
concern) than I had expected. I think they are getting the
hang of things and, yesterday, made good use of their
judgement on no-calls in a situation that favored the team
being fouled. Marks are still getting away with a lot, but
I think that will continue to improve as well. I'm only 2
games into my AUDL career but my concerns have been pretty
well assuaged.
Misha
it point by point but I can't find the option to do that,
so...
- As far as uniform uniformity, we were told that, if
players were going to wear hats, they had to be CTC hats and
all had to match. I don't remember anything regarding
wearing them forward vs. backward, but I can understand the
aesthetic argument. Wristbands and such seem to be ok, and
don't necessarily have to match.
- Sleeves/leggings: we (CTC) can only wear leggings if they
are black and/or blue, to try to match our uniforms well. I
felt the same way you do when the 3/4 leggings started to
come into the NBA... I thought they looked kinda silly and
distracting. But now that so much of the league wears them,
I don't really have an issue. I don't think it's a warmth
issue so much as the extra support you get from these (I
have CW-X 3/4s and, whether its a placebo effect or not,
they feel great). I would have rather not worn long sleeves
yesterday, but the FieldTurf surface at our home facility is
rather abrasive -- layouts sting for a while -- and I wanted
to leave the game with flesh intact.
- Field width: we have talked about this a lot as a team
and, while we are getting better at exploiting the added
width, we are nowhere near where we will eventually be as
far as incorporating it into our offense. I think it works
well; it certainly changes the offense. It's incredibly
hard for a defense to cover all that ground, especially
against an offense that's moving the disc quickly. I think,
with the limits on field space at most tournament sites, we
probably won't see the dimensions spread to more
"traditional" tournaments, but I really don't see it as a
paradigm-altering thing... ultimate is, more or less, a
simple game; the field vision needed to be a good thrower is
the same regardless of the field dimensions. I'm not worried
about the transition back to 70x40.
- Refs: by and large, I do really enjoy playing with the
refs. They have clearly been making efforts to understand
the game and how it should be called, and there's been less
intentional exploitation by players (trying to "get away"
with stuff that the ref doesn't see, which was my main
concern) than I had expected. I think they are getting the
hang of things and, yesterday, made good use of their
judgement on no-calls in a situation that favored the team
being fouled. Marks are still getting away with a lot, but
I think that will continue to improve as well. I'm only 2
games into my AUDL career but my concerns have been pretty
well assuaged.
Misha
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 3:27:47 PM5/6/12
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i mean, i dont think ive EVER seen a professional soccer
> player wear leggings under their shorts and i know ive seen some games
> played in pretty cold temeratures where you could see the players
> breath.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> player wear leggings under their shorts and i know ive seen some games
> played in pretty cold temeratures where you could see the players
> breath.
---football...they probably wear cold weather gear under their
unis....unless they are those bad ass intimidating hard core dudes in
GreenBay or elsewhere...NYCity....guys trying to make a statement.
soccer?....maybe not leggin's....long sleeved shirts,
yes....undershirts too.
baseball...they wear long pants anyway...
hockey?....they probably have thermals on!
ok....sports where athletes wear SHORTS by general rule......
tennis...no leggin's
soccer....no leggin's
basketball....don't think so
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 3:45:00 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 2:45 pm, Misha <misha.horow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to quote your post in my reply so I could address
> it point by point but I can't find the option to do that,
> so...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I wanted to quote your post in my reply so I could address
> it point by point but I can't find the option to do that,
> so...
---so i could address it....point....by point.
misha...that's TWO awesome posts in one thread by you.
love the way you're thinking!
mvuong
May 6, 2012, 4:10:03 PM5/6/12
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Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
> soccer....no leggin's
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_tights.jpg
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_robben_tights.jpg
Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
> basketball....don't think so
http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060330/060330_NBA_Tights_vmed_7p.widec.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060210/060210_tights_james_vmed_2p.widec.jpg
Couldn't find any pictures of men wearing leggings in
tennis. Don't they only play indoors when it's cold out?
> ok....sports where athletes wear SHORTS by general
> rule......
> tennis...no leggin's
http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sharapova-doha-spr08.jpg
> rule......
> tennis...no leggin's
Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
> soccer....no leggin's
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_tights.jpg
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_robben_tights.jpg
Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
> basketball....don't think so
http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060330/060330_NBA_Tights_vmed_7p.widec.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060210/060210_tights_james_vmed_2p.widec.jpg
Couldn't find any pictures of men wearing leggings in
tennis. Don't they only play indoors when it's cold out?
Misha
May 6, 2012, 4:15:04 PM5/6/12
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>misha...that's TWO awesome posts in one thread by you.
>love the way you're thinking!
Thanks Mike. I attended the "Professionalism and Nuance in
>love the way you're thinking!
RSD Posting" seminar at WUFF Collegiates one year and it has
proved invaluable. However, I'm still bitter you didn't
invite us (Swarthmore) to Easterns in '02, the year we made
Nationals... but that's a topic for another day.
Misha
mjevan...@comcast.net
May 6, 2012, 4:30:07 PM5/6/12
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ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 10:56
but those rules were removed by vote of the owners after
discussion on how they might impact the appearance of fully
sublimated jersey designs that most teams were planning on
going with at the time.
As for hats, while the rules do dictate the use of only
official team hats of the same style (with no mention of hat
orientation), many teams do not even have them in their
possession yet. Given some of the weather conditions in the
games that I've officiated so far, I haven't imposed any
fashion police rulings yet. Given all the admittedly higher
priority logistical issues that the teams have faced in the
first couple of weeks this is something that has taken a
backseat to some extent, but I think you're starting to see
teams (like CTC, as Misha noted) starting to turn their
attention to this level of detail.
My Rampage officiating squad has started wearing our jerseys
tucked as of week 3, FYI...
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 10:56
officiated games will trickle down into USAU sanctioned
elite level events. The feedback I've received so far from
coaches, players and fans alike has been overwhelmingly
positive in the impact that the introduction of officiating
by the AUDL has had on the games. At least in the games that
I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams have
appreciated the lines being drawn on when infractions are
being called and the consistency with which it is being
done. All of the folks I've spoken with that have any level
of familiarity with the game appreciate the disappearance of
the debate club aspects of the game that come with the
officiated version. Players have appreciated being able to
focus more on actually playing the game rather than having
to worry about calling and defending fouls on their own. The
fans have found another outlet for good natured heckling
which I've enjoyed :)
In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my squad's
ability to competently officiate the games from the opening
pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing for the
season and working with our respective teams during the
pre-season. As we've progressed into the regular season,
we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique AUDL
rules and have evolved in areas based on our on field
experiences. All in all, I would say that the introduction
of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at least
for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development of a
professional level league
--
Mark
Head Referee
RI Rampage
http://rirampage.com
> On May 5, 10:30 pm, Misha
> <misha.horow...@gmail.com[/email]> wrote:.
>
> > We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the
> > only
> > headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore
> > them
> > backwards.
>
>
> > We (the Constitution) have official team hats -- the
> > only
> > headgear allowed. I'm not sure if anyone wore
> > them
> > backwards.
>
>
> You will also be happy to know that we tucked
> > today.
>
> i definetly am, you make the sport look better by doing
> so.
The early draft AUDL rules had criteria for tucked jerseys,
> > today.
>
> i definetly am, you make the sport look better by doing
> so.
but those rules were removed by vote of the owners after
discussion on how they might impact the appearance of fully
sublimated jersey designs that most teams were planning on
going with at the time.
As for hats, while the rules do dictate the use of only
official team hats of the same style (with no mention of hat
orientation), many teams do not even have them in their
possession yet. Given some of the weather conditions in the
games that I've officiated so far, I haven't imposed any
fashion police rulings yet. Given all the admittedly higher
priority logistical issues that the teams have faced in the
first couple of weeks this is something that has taken a
backseat to some extent, but I think you're starting to see
teams (like CTC, as Misha noted) starting to turn their
attention to this level of detail.
My Rampage officiating squad has started wearing our jerseys
tucked as of week 3, FYI...
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 10:56
> and what about the refs? are yall enjoying that
> facilitation to the
> point where you could see other elite level events using
> refs or at
> least more empowered observers? obviously the usau
> events will resist
> using them but i would imagine there will be alot of
> chatter
> (comparison and contrast) at this years elite
> events(nationals
> included) as to how better/worse/different playing with
> refs is. do
> you think you can give us some insight as to the general
> consensus as
> to where most people stand thus far with the whole "ref"
> thing? and
> do the refs seem to be improving as the wees go by?
I really wouldn't even want to speculate on whether
> facilitation to the
> point where you could see other elite level events using
> refs or at
> least more empowered observers? obviously the usau
> events will resist
> using them but i would imagine there will be alot of
> chatter
> (comparison and contrast) at this years elite
> events(nationals
> included) as to how better/worse/different playing with
> refs is. do
> you think you can give us some insight as to the general
> consensus as
> to where most people stand thus far with the whole "ref"
> thing? and
> do the refs seem to be improving as the wees go by?
officiated games will trickle down into USAU sanctioned
elite level events. The feedback I've received so far from
coaches, players and fans alike has been overwhelmingly
positive in the impact that the introduction of officiating
by the AUDL has had on the games. At least in the games that
I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams have
appreciated the lines being drawn on when infractions are
being called and the consistency with which it is being
done. All of the folks I've spoken with that have any level
of familiarity with the game appreciate the disappearance of
the debate club aspects of the game that come with the
officiated version. Players have appreciated being able to
focus more on actually playing the game rather than having
to worry about calling and defending fouls on their own. The
fans have found another outlet for good natured heckling
which I've enjoyed :)
In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my squad's
ability to competently officiate the games from the opening
pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing for the
season and working with our respective teams during the
pre-season. As we've progressed into the regular season,
we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique AUDL
rules and have evolved in areas based on our on field
experiences. All in all, I would say that the introduction
of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at least
for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development of a
professional level league
--
Mark
Head Referee
RI Rampage
http://rirampage.com
ulticritic
May 6, 2012, 4:32:05 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 2:28 pm, Jared <jaredsau...@yahoo.com> wrote:.
too cloged up and arent even useful
-----------------------------------
Maybe it's just cause i am so use
> to the usau rules, but I feel like it would be much better
> if they stuck to the 40yd field width.
yea, you were right the first time, your stigmatized
-----------------------------------------------------
shorts......and it didnt look like brodie was wering was spandex
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
> Personally my biggest problem with the AUDL is the football
> field... I feel like it impacts the integrity of the game.
> With the wide field there is so much space to throw around
> defenders, and I think ultimately it affects the quality of
> the on-the-field product.
i thin it improves it. with such a narrow field all the players are
> field... I feel like it impacts the integrity of the game.
> With the wide field there is so much space to throw around
> defenders, and I think ultimately it affects the quality of
> the on-the-field product.
too cloged up and arent even useful
-----------------------------------
Maybe it's just cause i am so use
> to the usau rules, but I feel like it would be much better
> if they stuck to the 40yd field width.
-----------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't care so much about the spandex, and tucking in...
> personally I think tucking makes them look a bit silly.
> Spandex is necessary to stay warm in these early spring...
> they aren't exactly playing in the warmest cities.
never seen a soccer player wear spandex leggings under their
> I don't care so much about the spandex, and tucking in...
> personally I think tucking makes them look a bit silly.
> Spandex is necessary to stay warm in these early spring...
> they aren't exactly playing in the warmest cities.
shorts......and it didnt look like brodie was wering was spandex
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
ulticritic
May 6, 2012, 4:40:09 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 4:10 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > ok....sports where athletes wear SHORTS by general
> > rule......
> > tennis...no leggin's
>
> http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sharapova-doha-spr0...
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > ok....sports where athletes wear SHORTS by general
> > rule......
> > tennis...no leggin's
>
>
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > soccer....no leggin's
>
> http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_tights.jpghttp://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/ribery_robben_tights.jpg
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > soccer....no leggin's
>
>
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > basketball....don't think so
>
> http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060330/060...http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060210/060210_tig...
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:27
>
> > basketball....don't think so
>
>
> Couldn't find any pictures of men wearing leggings in
> tennis. Don't they only play indoors when it's cold out?
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
i stand corrected.......but the whool cap has got to go. and notice
> Couldn't find any pictures of men wearing leggings in
> tennis. Don't they only play indoors when it's cold out?
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
that all those unies the shirts were tucked
ulticritic
May 6, 2012, 8:34:39 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 4:30 pm, mjevangeli...@comcast.net
ecc, labor day, etc) like they sanction some of the "big" college
events? i hope not cause i could definitely see some of the more
progressive td's potentially experimenting with refs. if usau has
their grimey hands in that level of comp they would thwart such
efforts for sure. they suck like that.
-----------------------------------------
The feedback I've received so far from
> coaches, players and fans alike has been overwhelmingly
> positive in the impact that the introduction of officiating
> by the AUDL has had on the games.
yes, thats no big surprise to me. we had the same kind of response
for nua and mlu competition years back. which makes it even weirder
that the govening body of the sport would be so clueless and opposed
to delve into doing more reserch and development into reffed ultimate
in general. what i think will be really interesting will be some of
the conversations that audl players will undoubtably have with non
audl elite players at nationals and other elite events......especially
once the audl players have to go back to the archaic meathod of
enforcing the rules themselves and managing their own games and can
really make some sound comparisons. this will be the type of dialouge
that usau administrators will not like to see happening in the least
i'd imagine.
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At least in the games that
> I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams have
> appreciated the lines being drawn on when infractions are
> being called and the consistency with which it is being
> done.
yes...."APPRECIATE".....great word to describe the privilidge it is to
have non playing people take on the role of rule enforcers and game
managers. i think uoa participants felt that same kind of
"appreciation" with those events. hopefully they will see the logic
in transitioning to full on refs.
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All of the folks I've spoken with that have any level
> of familiarity with the game appreciate the disappearance of
> the debate club aspects of the game that come with the
> officiated version.
the death of the "ult-debate".......what a great thing. of course its
this aspect of interatction (what i refer to as CPR or the conflict
resolution process) that those dingleberries in boulder cherish so
much about the sotg so system. again, how crazy is it that the
govening body of the sport cant see that "people appreciate the
disappearance of the ult-debate".
------------------------------------------------------------------
Players have appreciated being able to
> focus more on actually playing the game rather than having
> to worry about calling and defending fouls on their own.
yes, yet another common theme that rang out years ago with both nua
and mlu reffed comp. and do any of the "usual suspect" sz's see how
mark is using the word "appreciate" over and over?
--------------------------------------------
The
> fans have found another outlet for good natured heckling
> which I've enjoyed :)
exactly. now the heckling is just directed at the refs
----------------------------------------------
nua officials did before our north/south showcased game at college
easterns in 1996. its really not all that hard but it does take a
certian type of person/ultimate player to be good at it. any "call
savy" type player could/would easily excell at being an ultimate ref.
how much do you guys make per game if you dont mind me asking?
---------------------------------------------------------------
As we've progressed into the regular season,
> we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique AUDL
> rules and have evolved in areas based on our on field
> experiences.
no doubt. i'm sure you will be constantly refining mechanics,
techniques and even rules as teams and players will probably try to
"game" the rules as time goes on and as the competition gets more
heated. do you guys have foul limmits?
------------------------------------------------------------
All in all, I would say that the introduction
> of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at least
> for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development of a
> professional level league
well how could it not. its the standard way sports are managed and
rules are enforced. things work for a reason and theres never been a
question in my mind that refs would have anything but a positive
impact on this or any sport......especially when its being presented
as a form of sports entertainment.......even though its just as much
of an enhancement on a participatory level.
the auld is gonna do wonders for the sport of ultimate.......more than
the upa or usau can ever hope to do for it. you guys (audl refs,
owners, players and fans) ARE THE SHIT. keep up the good work and
thank you for liberating this sport and freeing it from the shackels
of sotg and self officiation.
<mjevangeli...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I really wouldn't even want to speculate on whether
> officiated games will trickle down into USAU sanctioned
> elite level events.
uhmmm, i wonder if usau will try and sanction elite club events (like
>
> I really wouldn't even want to speculate on whether
> officiated games will trickle down into USAU sanctioned
> elite level events.
ecc, labor day, etc) like they sanction some of the "big" college
events? i hope not cause i could definitely see some of the more
progressive td's potentially experimenting with refs. if usau has
their grimey hands in that level of comp they would thwart such
efforts for sure. they suck like that.
-----------------------------------------
The feedback I've received so far from
> coaches, players and fans alike has been overwhelmingly
> positive in the impact that the introduction of officiating
> by the AUDL has had on the games.
for nua and mlu competition years back. which makes it even weirder
that the govening body of the sport would be so clueless and opposed
to delve into doing more reserch and development into reffed ultimate
in general. what i think will be really interesting will be some of
the conversations that audl players will undoubtably have with non
audl elite players at nationals and other elite events......especially
once the audl players have to go back to the archaic meathod of
enforcing the rules themselves and managing their own games and can
really make some sound comparisons. this will be the type of dialouge
that usau administrators will not like to see happening in the least
i'd imagine.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
At least in the games that
> I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams have
> appreciated the lines being drawn on when infractions are
> being called and the consistency with which it is being
> done.
have non playing people take on the role of rule enforcers and game
managers. i think uoa participants felt that same kind of
"appreciation" with those events. hopefully they will see the logic
in transitioning to full on refs.
-------------------------------------------
All of the folks I've spoken with that have any level
> of familiarity with the game appreciate the disappearance of
> the debate club aspects of the game that come with the
> officiated version.
this aspect of interatction (what i refer to as CPR or the conflict
resolution process) that those dingleberries in boulder cherish so
much about the sotg so system. again, how crazy is it that the
govening body of the sport cant see that "people appreciate the
disappearance of the ult-debate".
------------------------------------------------------------------
Players have appreciated being able to
> focus more on actually playing the game rather than having
> to worry about calling and defending fouls on their own.
and mlu reffed comp. and do any of the "usual suspect" sz's see how
mark is using the word "appreciate" over and over?
--------------------------------------------
The
> fans have found another outlet for good natured heckling
> which I've enjoyed :)
----------------------------------------------
>
> In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my squad's
> ability to competently officiate the games from the opening
> pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing for the
> season and working with our respective teams during the
> pre-season.
thats good to hear. i vividly remember the first practice game the
> In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my squad's
> ability to competently officiate the games from the opening
> pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing for the
> season and working with our respective teams during the
> pre-season.
nua officials did before our north/south showcased game at college
easterns in 1996. its really not all that hard but it does take a
certian type of person/ultimate player to be good at it. any "call
savy" type player could/would easily excell at being an ultimate ref.
how much do you guys make per game if you dont mind me asking?
---------------------------------------------------------------
As we've progressed into the regular season,
> we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique AUDL
> rules and have evolved in areas based on our on field
> experiences.
techniques and even rules as teams and players will probably try to
"game" the rules as time goes on and as the competition gets more
heated. do you guys have foul limmits?
------------------------------------------------------------
All in all, I would say that the introduction
> of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at least
> for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development of a
> professional level league
rules are enforced. things work for a reason and theres never been a
question in my mind that refs would have anything but a positive
impact on this or any sport......especially when its being presented
as a form of sports entertainment.......even though its just as much
of an enhancement on a participatory level.
the auld is gonna do wonders for the sport of ultimate.......more than
the upa or usau can ever hope to do for it. you guys (audl refs,
owners, players and fans) ARE THE SHIT. keep up the good work and
thank you for liberating this sport and freeing it from the shackels
of sotg and self officiation.
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 9:40:10 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 4:10 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ok....sports where athletes wear SHORTS by general
> > rule......
> > tennis...no leggin's
>
> http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sharapova-doha-spr0...
> > rule......
> > tennis...no leggin's
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~
--is sharapova wearing shorts in that pic?
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 9:40:55 PM5/6/12
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> Couldn't find any pictures of men wearing leggings in
> tennis. Don't they only play indoors when it's cold out?
---yeah...all those pics seemed possible when i was asking.
i've worn 'em
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 9:42:14 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 4:15 pm, Misha <misha.horow...@gmail.com> wrote:
However, I'm still bitter you didn't
> invite us (Swarthmore) to Easterns in '02, the year we made
> Nationals...
~~~~~~~~~~
However, I'm still bitter you didn't
> invite us (Swarthmore) to Easterns in '02, the year we made
> Nationals...
---i made a mistake....
i've heard about this one a number of times.
i'd love to change the past.
Reggie Fanelli
May 6, 2012, 9:42:45 PM5/6/12
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. I attended the "Professionalism and Nuance in
> RSD Posting" seminar at WUFF Collegiates one year and it has
> proved invaluable
~~~~~~~~~~
> RSD Posting" seminar at WUFF Collegiates one year and it has
> proved invaluable
---best tournament ever, huh?
mjevan...@comcast.net
May 6, 2012, 10:15:04 PM5/6/12
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ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
people". By and large, the officiating squads are comprised
of ultimate players although there are some teams who have
recruited referees with deep officiating experience. My
squad for example is comprised of ultimate players with a
ton of experience in the game (I'm the old man of the group,
with this being my 22nd season of playing...although my best
playing days are definitely in the rear view mirror at this
point :) ).
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
your day job" level. Referees are compensated for each game
they officiate (the referee designated as the head official
for the game receives a slightly higher pay for his
troubles). For those instances where officials are asked to
travel to other cities to assist, they are compensated for
their travel expenses as well as the game they participate
in.
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
respect for flagrant fouls, where 2 result in automatic
ejection. I haven't seen a case in the games I've officiated
where having foul limits in place would have even been an
issue.
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
a small part in helping to try and make the AUDL a success
and take our sport to the next level where it deserves to
be. I hope to be in a position to do even more next season.
> At least in the games that
> > I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams
> > have
> > appreciated the lines being drawn on when
> > infractions are
> > being called and the consistency with which it is
> > being
> > done.
>
> yes...."APPRECIATE".....great word to describe the
> privilidge it is to
> have non playing people take on the role of rule
> enforcers and game
> managers. i think uoa participants felt that same kind
> of
> "appreciation" with those events. hopefully they will
> see the logic
> in transitioning to full on refs.
I just wanted to quickly clarify your use of "non playing
> > I, and my squad, have been a part of, the teams
> > have
> > appreciated the lines being drawn on when
> > infractions are
> > being called and the consistency with which it is
> > being
> > done.
>
> yes...."APPRECIATE".....great word to describe the
> privilidge it is to
> have non playing people take on the role of rule
> enforcers and game
> managers. i think uoa participants felt that same kind
> of
> "appreciation" with those events. hopefully they will
> see the logic
> in transitioning to full on refs.
people". By and large, the officiating squads are comprised
of ultimate players although there are some teams who have
recruited referees with deep officiating experience. My
squad for example is comprised of ultimate players with a
ton of experience in the game (I'm the old man of the group,
with this being my 22nd season of playing...although my best
playing days are definitely in the rear view mirror at this
point :) ).
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
> >
> > In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my
> > squad's
> > ability to competently officiate the games from the
> > opening
> > pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing
> > for the
> > season and working with our respective teams during
> > the
> > pre-season.
>
> thats good to hear. i vividly remember the first
> practice game the
> nua officials did before our north/south showcased game
> at college
> easterns in 1996. its really not all that hard but it
> does take a
> certian type of person/ultimate player to be good at it.
> any "call
> savy" type player could/would easily excell at being an
> ultimate ref.
> how much do you guys make per game if you dont mind me
> asking?
Like the players, the pay at this point is not at a "quit
> > In terms of "improvement", I was confident in my
> > squad's
> > ability to competently officiate the games from the
> > opening
> > pull as we had put quite a bit of time in preparing
> > for the
> > season and working with our respective teams during
> > the
> > pre-season.
>
> thats good to hear. i vividly remember the first
> practice game the
> nua officials did before our north/south showcased game
> at college
> easterns in 1996. its really not all that hard but it
> does take a
> certian type of person/ultimate player to be good at it.
> any "call
> savy" type player could/would easily excell at being an
> ultimate ref.
> how much do you guys make per game if you dont mind me
> asking?
your day job" level. Referees are compensated for each game
they officiate (the referee designated as the head official
for the game receives a slightly higher pay for his
troubles). For those instances where officials are asked to
travel to other cities to assist, they are compensated for
their travel expenses as well as the game they participate
in.
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
> As we've progressed into the regular season,
> > we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique
> > AUDL
> > rules and have evolved in areas based on our on
> > field
> > experiences.
>
> no doubt. i'm sure you will be constantly refining
> mechanics,
> techniques and even rules as teams and players will
> probably try to
> "game" the rules as time goes on and as the competition
> gets more
> heated. do you guys have foul limmits?
The only current foul limits in the AUDL rules are with
> > we've refined some of our mechanics for the unique
> > AUDL
> > rules and have evolved in areas based on our on
> > field
> > experiences.
>
> no doubt. i'm sure you will be constantly refining
> mechanics,
> techniques and even rules as teams and players will
> probably try to
> "game" the rules as time goes on and as the competition
> gets more
> heated. do you guys have foul limmits?
respect for flagrant fouls, where 2 result in automatic
ejection. I haven't seen a case in the games I've officiated
where having foul limits in place would have even been an
issue.
ulticritic wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 20:34
> All in all, I would say that the introduction
> > of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at
> > least
> > for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development
> > of a
> > professional level league
>
> > of officiating to our sport has been a positive, at
> > least
> > for the AUDL's attempt at fostering the development
> > of a
> > professional level league
>
> the auld is gonna do wonders for the sport of
> ultimate.......more than
> the upa or usau can ever hope to do for it. you guys
> (audl refs,
> owners, players and fans) ARE THE SHIT. keep up the
> good work and
> thank you for liberating this sport and freeing it from
> the shackels
> of sotg and self officiation.
Thanks, that means a lot. For me, it's been an honor to play
> ultimate.......more than
> the upa or usau can ever hope to do for it. you guys
> (audl refs,
> owners, players and fans) ARE THE SHIT. keep up the
> good work and
> thank you for liberating this sport and freeing it from
> the shackels
> of sotg and self officiation.
a small part in helping to try and make the AUDL a success
and take our sport to the next level where it deserves to
be. I hope to be in a position to do even more next season.
Lance Marput
May 7, 2012, 9:20:04 AM5/7/12
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Nice to read some input from the AUDL players in this
thread.
Someone should do a round table interview/discussion with a
handful of refs ....those with ultimate background and non
disc sport refs now in the mix.
Would be interesting to hear from a real Pro on some of the
issues (not the standard hysterics of todd leber and mike
gerics.).
I've always thought when our sport took it to the next level
we would want to bring in Pro refs, etc.
Peter McCarthy
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
1020 Lowry Mall
Mizzou campus
Columbia, MO
65201
http://shs.umsystem.edu/manuscripts/collections/mdsc/index.s
html
"Archiving disc sports since 1997."
thread.
Someone should do a round table interview/discussion with a
handful of refs ....those with ultimate background and non
disc sport refs now in the mix.
Would be interesting to hear from a real Pro on some of the
issues (not the standard hysterics of todd leber and mike
gerics.).
I've always thought when our sport took it to the next level
we would want to bring in Pro refs, etc.
Peter McCarthy
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
1020 Lowry Mall
Mizzou campus
Columbia, MO
65201
http://shs.umsystem.edu/manuscripts/collections/mdsc/index.s
html
"Archiving disc sports since 1997."
ulticritic
May 7, 2012, 9:26:43 AM5/7/12
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On May 6, 10:15 pm, mjevangeli...@comcast.net
refs vs non playing refs......although the distinction between
ultimate players that are refs vs non ultimate player refs would be an
interesting case study too. my feeing is that anyone with a solid
sports backround that has experience reffing other sports should be
able to ref ultimate as well fairly easily
----------------------------------------
>
> Like the players, the pay at this point is not at a "quit
> your day job" level. Referees are compensated for each game
> they officiate (the referee designated as the head official
> for the game receives a slightly higher pay for his
> troubles). For those instances where officials are asked to
> travel to other cities to assist, they are compensated for
> their travel expenses as well as the game they participate
> in.
am i to assume that you arent gonna give us a number/amount (per
game)?
------------------------------------------------
>
> The only current foul limits in the AUDL rules are with
> respect for flagrant fouls, where 2 result in automatic
> ejection. I haven't seen a case in the games I've officiated
> where having foul limits in place would have even been an
> issue.
even with overly aggressive marks. that seems to be a big problem in
traditional ultimate. seems like a foul limmit could easily deter
that with audl comp. you guys use yardage, right? by the way,
LOOOOOOVVVVEEE that travels are turnovers
<mjevangeli...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to quickly clarify your use of "non playing
> people". By and large, the officiating squads are comprised
> of ultimate players although there are some teams who have
> recruited referees with deep officiating experience.
i wasnt really making THAT distinction but rather the one of player/
>
> I just wanted to quickly clarify your use of "non playing
> people". By and large, the officiating squads are comprised
> of ultimate players although there are some teams who have
> recruited referees with deep officiating experience.
refs vs non playing refs......although the distinction between
ultimate players that are refs vs non ultimate player refs would be an
interesting case study too. my feeing is that anyone with a solid
sports backround that has experience reffing other sports should be
able to ref ultimate as well fairly easily
----------------------------------------
>
> Like the players, the pay at this point is not at a "quit
> your day job" level. Referees are compensated for each game
> they officiate (the referee designated as the head official
> for the game receives a slightly higher pay for his
> troubles). For those instances where officials are asked to
> travel to other cities to assist, they are compensated for
> their travel expenses as well as the game they participate
> in.
game)?
------------------------------------------------
>
> The only current foul limits in the AUDL rules are with
> respect for flagrant fouls, where 2 result in automatic
> ejection. I haven't seen a case in the games I've officiated
> where having foul limits in place would have even been an
> issue.
traditional ultimate. seems like a foul limmit could easily deter
that with audl comp. you guys use yardage, right? by the way,
LOOOOOOVVVVEEE that travels are turnovers
Mark
May 7, 2012, 2:25:05 PM5/7/12
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CanisMajor wrote on Sun, 06 May 2012 13:29
are not interfering with the play, why not let players wear
what they want.
The reason I suggest this is that fans benefit when players
develop an individual brand. It is one thing to watch a
bunch of random guys run around making awesome throws and
catches and layout D's, but it is nice for the casual fan to
be able to pick out some players. As in, "Wow - that guy in
the beanie just made another awesome play. He is doing
really well today."
Then they get to know his name. Then they come out to the
next game to see if he will make more awesome plays.
> As for hats, while the rules do dictate the use of only
> official team hats of the same style (with no mention of
> hat orientation), many teams do not even have them in
> their possession yet. Given some of the weather conditions
> in the games that I've officiated so far, I haven't
> imposed any fashion police rulings yet. Given all the
> admittedly higher priority logistical issues that the
> teams have faced in the first couple of weeks this is
> something that has taken a backseat to some extent, but I
> think you're starting to see teams (like CTC, as Misha
> noted) starting to turn their attention to this level of
> detail.
I would argue for the other direction. As long as the hats
> official team hats of the same style (with no mention of
> hat orientation), many teams do not even have them in
> their possession yet. Given some of the weather conditions
> in the games that I've officiated so far, I haven't
> imposed any fashion police rulings yet. Given all the
> admittedly higher priority logistical issues that the
> teams have faced in the first couple of weeks this is
> something that has taken a backseat to some extent, but I
> think you're starting to see teams (like CTC, as Misha
> noted) starting to turn their attention to this level of
> detail.
are not interfering with the play, why not let players wear
what they want.
The reason I suggest this is that fans benefit when players
develop an individual brand. It is one thing to watch a
bunch of random guys run around making awesome throws and
catches and layout D's, but it is nice for the casual fan to
be able to pick out some players. As in, "Wow - that guy in
the beanie just made another awesome play. He is doing
really well today."
Then they get to know his name. Then they come out to the
next game to see if he will make more awesome plays.
Reggie Fanelli
May 7, 2012, 2:30:37 PM5/7/12
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>. As long as the hats
> are not interfering with the play, why not let players wear
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---to save the athletes and the league from looking like a bunch of
goofballs?????
that guy in the beanie just made an awesome play, huh?
how about...DAMN 23 SKIED THAT DEFENDER!!!!!!!
or....3s THROWS ARE SICK!
beanie hat...is NOT the guys name.
ulticritic
May 7, 2012, 3:40:27 PM5/7/12
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On May 7, 2:25 pm, Mark <rsdnos...@fourthlake.com> wrote:
>
> I would argue for the other direction. As long as the hats
> are not interfering with the play, why not let players wear
> what they want.
>
> The reason I suggest this is that fans benefit when players
> develop an individual brand. It is one thing to watch a
> bunch of random guys run around making awesome throws and
> catches and layout D's, but it is nice for the casual fan to
> be able to pick out some players. As in, "Wow - that guy in
> the beanie just made another awesome play. He is doing
> really well today."
>
> Then they get to know his name. Then they come out to the
> next game to see if he will make more awesome plays.
can you name another team sport where players need to do this sort of
>
> I would argue for the other direction. As long as the hats
> are not interfering with the play, why not let players wear
> what they want.
>
> The reason I suggest this is that fans benefit when players
> develop an individual brand. It is one thing to watch a
> bunch of random guys run around making awesome throws and
> catches and layout D's, but it is nice for the casual fan to
> be able to pick out some players. As in, "Wow - that guy in
> the beanie just made another awesome play. He is doing
> really well today."
>
> Then they get to know his name. Then they come out to the
> next game to see if he will make more awesome plays.
thing to be noticed and appreciated???? of course the downside is
that when such a player fucks up he sticks out like a sore thumb.
thefan
May 7, 2012, 4:25:04 PM5/7/12
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Quote:
never tell those dudes apart. they're all the same. same
pants, same shirt. even the same helmet. they should
definitely be allowed to dress up their helmets with
streamers or something so i could say, "man, yellow
streamers sure had a nice tackle" or "that dude with the
really big windsock on top of his helmet just made a sweet
catch." then i could tell the players apart.
then they could get rid of those dumb symbols on the back of
their shirts. i have no idea what those are for.
> "Wow - that guy in
> > the beanie just made another awesome play. He is
> doing
> > really well today."
that really is a good point. when i watch footall, i can
> > the beanie just made another awesome play. He is
> doing
> > really well today."
never tell those dudes apart. they're all the same. same
pants, same shirt. even the same helmet. they should
definitely be allowed to dress up their helmets with
streamers or something so i could say, "man, yellow
streamers sure had a nice tackle" or "that dude with the
really big windsock on top of his helmet just made a sweet
catch." then i could tell the players apart.
then they could get rid of those dumb symbols on the back of
their shirts. i have no idea what those are for.
ulticritic
May 7, 2012, 5:06:35 PM5/7/12
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LETS GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THIS.....
other audl players would concur......if so fat so, how or why would
this be any different than any other level of game being played in
that the players would really APPRECIATE that facilitation just as
much.......and i'm talking about competitive club, college,
highschool, masters, mixed and even your average ordinary summer
league games. IN FACT.......i would imaging that summer league
competition might be a super great place to recruit and train ultimate
refs for all those other divisions.
so i guess the argument will shift from that sotg crud to the
"resource" argument in that there just arent enough people to fill the
roles of observers.....or that it would drive up the costs of
playing. TO THAT i would reply.....have the college kids ref the high
schoolers, the club players ref the college kids, the masters ref the
clubers, the mixed ref each other, etc, etc. AND if ya pay the people
that are actually good at it a fair wage you would be keeping all the
money "in house" as they say.
i do hope, at least that people are over that lame "refs will make
players into get away with what they can cheaters" bullshit. would
love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose ref and even the
per game payment of observers chime in to this discussion.
>
> - Refs: by and large, I do really enjoy playing with the
> refs. They have clearly been making efforts to understand
> the game and how it should be called, and there's been less
> intentional exploitation by players (trying to "get away"
> with stuff that the ref doesn't see, which was my main
> concern) than I had expected. I think they are getting the
> hang of things and, yesterday, made good use of their
> judgement on no-calls in a situation that favored the team
> being fouled. Marks are still getting away with a lot, but
> I think that will continue to improve as well. I'm only 2
> games into my AUDL career but my concerns have been pretty
> well assuaged.
this is quite an endorsement for refs......and i would assume that all
> - Refs: by and large, I do really enjoy playing with the
> refs. They have clearly been making efforts to understand
> the game and how it should be called, and there's been less
> intentional exploitation by players (trying to "get away"
> with stuff that the ref doesn't see, which was my main
> concern) than I had expected. I think they are getting the
> hang of things and, yesterday, made good use of their
> judgement on no-calls in a situation that favored the team
> being fouled. Marks are still getting away with a lot, but
> I think that will continue to improve as well. I'm only 2
> games into my AUDL career but my concerns have been pretty
> well assuaged.
other audl players would concur......if so fat so, how or why would
this be any different than any other level of game being played in
that the players would really APPRECIATE that facilitation just as
much.......and i'm talking about competitive club, college,
highschool, masters, mixed and even your average ordinary summer
league games. IN FACT.......i would imaging that summer league
competition might be a super great place to recruit and train ultimate
refs for all those other divisions.
so i guess the argument will shift from that sotg crud to the
"resource" argument in that there just arent enough people to fill the
roles of observers.....or that it would drive up the costs of
playing. TO THAT i would reply.....have the college kids ref the high
schoolers, the club players ref the college kids, the masters ref the
clubers, the mixed ref each other, etc, etc. AND if ya pay the people
that are actually good at it a fair wage you would be keeping all the
money "in house" as they say.
i do hope, at least that people are over that lame "refs will make
players into get away with what they can cheaters" bullshit. would
love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose ref and even the
per game payment of observers chime in to this discussion.
Ben Ayres
May 7, 2012, 6:00:04 PM5/7/12
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ulticritic wrote on Mon, 07 May 2012 14:06
players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing is
up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway on
defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way people
play is just wrong.
> On May 6, 2:45 pm, Misha
> <misha.horow...@gmail.com[/email]> wrote:
>
> i do hope, at least that people are over that lame "refs
> will make
> players into get away with what they can cheaters"
> bullshit. would
> love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose ref
> and even the
> per game payment of observers chime in to this
> discussion.
After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
>
> i do hope, at least that people are over that lame "refs
> will make
> players into get away with what they can cheaters"
> bullshit. would
> love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose ref
> and even the
> per game payment of observers chime in to this
> discussion.
players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing is
up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway on
defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way people
play is just wrong.
Misha
May 7, 2012, 6:25:04 PM5/7/12
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Yeah, and I imagine this will probably only grow with time
(especially if the league succeeds and compensation
grows...); I wasn't trying to say it hasn't changed the way
people play, just that I had personally seen less
intentional cheating/fouling than I had expected.
(especially if the league succeeds and compensation
grows...); I wasn't trying to say it hasn't changed the way
people play, just that I had personally seen less
intentional cheating/fouling than I had expected.
Reggie Fanelli
May 7, 2012, 6:31:32 PM5/7/12
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> After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
is it still, at least, a little bit like what the rest of us know as
"ultimate"?
~~~~~~~~~~
> If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game.
--come on Lead Official!!!!!
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game.
don't be ball watchin'!
i know it's hard not to....but you have to be disciplined!
foul? pick? foul? pick? foul? pick? foul? pick?
Reggie Fanelli
May 7, 2012, 6:28:52 PM5/7/12
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On May 7, 4:25 pm, thefan <jimmyholtz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> then they could get rid of those dumb symbols on the back of
> their shirts. i have no idea what those are for.
~~~~~~~~
> then they could get rid of those dumb symbols on the back of
> their shirts. i have no idea what those are for.
---some of them symbols are numbers...and you can match 'em up to
names and history and stats on a sheet of paper called a 'program'
that they hand out at the gate.
some times there are little symbols called letters above the
numbers...and the letters can spell out an athlete's name.
mjevan...@comcast.net
May 7, 2012, 7:05:05 PM5/7/12
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Bayres wrote on Mon, 07 May 2012 17:56
attention being focused on the thrower and mark is not
accurate. There are 4 officials on the field and each as a
pre-defined set of responsibilities and mechanics that they
should be following, depending on the direction of play and
location of the disc on the field. I don't think that
players trying to figure out where the limits are is not a
function of the officials not watching what they are doing
on the field, nor would I say it is a situation that is
unique to Ultimate or even in a self officiated game.
Even though the refs are allowing some level of contact, we
are also conversing with the players and captains during the
game and in between points to let them know the things we
are seeing and when particular plays get close to that
boundary of something we would blow a whistle for.
> ulticritic wrote on Mon, 07 May 2012 14:06
> > On May 6, 2:45 pm, Misha
> > On May 6, 2:45 pm, Misha
> > <misha.horow...@gmail.com[/email][/email]> wrote:
> >
> > i do hope, at least that people are over that lame
> > "refs will make
> > players into get away with what they can cheaters"
> > bullshit. would
> > love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose
> > ref and even the
> > per game payment of observers chime in to this
> > discussion.
>
>
> After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
> If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing
> is up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway
> on defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way
> people play is just wrong.
I have to point out that the claim of the officials
> >
> > i do hope, at least that people are over that lame
> > "refs will make
> > players into get away with what they can cheaters"
> > bullshit. would
> > love to hear one of the usau dumbasses that oppose
> > ref and even the
> > per game payment of observers chime in to this
> > discussion.
>
>
> After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
> If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing
> is up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway
> on defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way
> people play is just wrong.
attention being focused on the thrower and mark is not
accurate. There are 4 officials on the field and each as a
pre-defined set of responsibilities and mechanics that they
should be following, depending on the direction of play and
location of the disc on the field. I don't think that
players trying to figure out where the limits are is not a
function of the officials not watching what they are doing
on the field, nor would I say it is a situation that is
unique to Ultimate or even in a self officiated game.
Even though the refs are allowing some level of contact, we
are also conversing with the players and captains during the
game and in between points to let them know the things we
are seeing and when particular plays get close to that
boundary of something we would blow a whistle for.
Reggie Fanelli
May 7, 2012, 8:21:07 PM5/7/12
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> I have to point out that the claim of the officials
> attention being focused on the thrower and mark is not
> accurate. There are 4 officials on the field and each as a
> pre-defined set of responsibilities and mechanics that they
> should be following, depending on the direction of play and
> location of the disc on the field. I don't think that
> players trying to figure out where the limits are is not a
> function of the officials not watching what they are doing
> on the field, nor would I say it is a situation that is
> unique to Ultimate or even in a self officiated game.
>
> Even though the refs are allowing some level of contact, we
> are also conversing with the players and captains during the
> game and in between points to let them know the things we
> are seeing and when particular plays get close to that
> boundary of something we would blow a whistle for.
---LOVE IT, Mark!
great reply!
'some level of contact'.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
'conversing with players'..........love that...
thefan
May 7, 2012, 8:35:03 PM5/7/12
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Quote:
That's all a bit much. I'm just a simple ultimate player. I
like it when teams are all mismatched and everyone is
dressed different. "that guy with the long socks is really
fast. Great catch by the dude with the bright Orange
beanie.".
> --some of them symbols are numbers...and you can match
> 'em up to names and history and stats on a sheet of paper
> called a 'program' that they hand out at the gate. some
> times there are little symbols called letters above the
> numbers...and the letters can spell out an athlete's name.
Wha?
> 'em up to names and history and stats on a sheet of paper
> called a 'program' that they hand out at the gate. some
> times there are little symbols called letters above the
> numbers...and the letters can spell out an athlete's name.
That's all a bit much. I'm just a simple ultimate player. I
like it when teams are all mismatched and everyone is
dressed different. "that guy with the long socks is really
fast. Great catch by the dude with the bright Orange
beanie.".
Reggie Fanelli
May 7, 2012, 8:43:05 PM5/7/12
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> That's all a bit much. I'm just a simple ultimate player. I
> like it when teams are all mismatched and everyone is
> dressed different. "that guy with the long socks is really
> fast. Great catch by the dude with the bright Orange
> beanie.".
---OK......how's this.......
in Ani's basketball league a couple years ago....teams were required
to play man to man d.
each team member wore a different colored wrist band.
if you were 'orange', you guarded the opposing 'orange'.
red....guarded red.
MAYBE each team should have like.....18 different colored
bandanas......each athlete wears a different colored head band...
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 7:30:27 AM5/8/12
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On May 7, 6:00 pm, Ben Ayres <k07b...@kzoo.edu> wrote:.
> After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
> If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing is
> up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway on
> defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way people
> play is just wrong.
i'm sure the referees that are reading this thread will benefit from
knowing this......and pay more attention to downfield cutters. i dont
know how many refs they use but i can see them adding another one in
the near future just to keep an eye on these people.......and possibly
adding a foul limmit if the contact becomes too regular
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
> After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
> If you can get to a game in person, just watch the down
> field cutters. Most of the action (and referee attention)
> is usually on the thrower/marker, and the cutter defending
> is significantly more physical/illegal than you see in a
> self-officiated game. Whether or not that's a good thing is
> up to you, and I personally enjoy a little more leeway on
> defense, but to think that it hasn't changed the way people
> play is just wrong.
knowing this......and pay more attention to downfield cutters. i dont
know how many refs they use but i can see them adding another one in
the near future just to keep an eye on these people.......and possibly
adding a foul limmit if the contact becomes too regular
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 7:33:29 AM5/8/12
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On May 7, 6:31 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> > After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> > players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
>
> --has that completely ruined the game?
> is it still, at least, a little bit like what the rest of us know as
> "ultimate"?
especially when ya take into account what people try to AND DO get
away with in self officiated ultimate, like: mauling the thrower on
the mark, fast counting, double teaming, offsides, etc
> > After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> > players have begun trying to get away with what they can.
>
> --has that completely ruined the game?
> is it still, at least, a little bit like what the rest of us know as
> "ultimate"?
away with in self officiated ultimate, like: mauling the thrower on
the mark, fast counting, double teaming, offsides, etc
Lance Marput
May 8, 2012, 9:10:03 AM5/8/12
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I came across this quote over the weekend...
It sounds like a possible mantra for the aggro zealots in
our ultimate community.
"Become good at cheating and you never need to become good
at anything else."
― Banksy, Wall and Piece
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, MO
It sounds like a possible mantra for the aggro zealots in
our ultimate community.
"Become good at cheating and you never need to become good
at anything else."
― Banksy, Wall and Piece
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, MO
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 9:41:06 AM5/8/12
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On May 8, 9:10 am, Lance Marput <lancemar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I came across this quote over the weekend...
>
> It sounds like a possible mantra for the aggro zealots in
> our ultimate community.
>
> "Become good at cheating and you never need to become good
> at anything else."
>
> -- Banksy, Wall and Piece
> I came across this quote over the weekend...
>
> It sounds like a possible mantra for the aggro zealots in
> our ultimate community.
>
> "Become good at cheating and you never need to become good
> at anything else."
>
yet more irrelevancy from peter mc. parinoid irrelevancy at that.
Lance Marput
May 8, 2012, 10:10:05 AM5/8/12
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ah....lighten up Todd Leber. It's a fun quote and Banksy of
course rocks.
Viva la guerrilla marketing,etc.
course rocks.
Viva la guerrilla marketing,etc.
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 10:47:47 AM5/8/12
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On May 8, 10:10 am, Lance Marput <lancemar...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> ah....lighten up Todd Leber. It's a fun quote
how is it relevant to this discussion though? and what are you trying
to elude to by referencing it?
but if you say bansky rocks then wouldnt agro zealotry rock too?
> ah....lighten up Todd Leber. It's a fun quote
to elude to by referencing it?
but if you say bansky rocks then wouldnt agro zealotry rock too?
Lance Marput
May 8, 2012, 12:25:04 PM5/8/12
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Bayes mentioned the below....sounds like he witnessed it at
a AUDL game.
"After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
players have begun trying to get away with what they can. "
Since the beginning of the sport....or at least the 1970s
when i started playing...it has been predicted by many that
more aggressive play and outright cheating would become more
and more common in ultimate when refs were brought in or
when the sport became main stream. I've read the hand
written letters / essays from early promoters of ultimate.
My office (State Historical Society of Missouri) has those
original documents in the MDSC holdings (accession 5828,
approx. 30 linear ft. of files)
I think the Banksy quote pertains to the cheating
mindset....or life path that sorta player chooses.
I enjoy words and quotes more than you do Leber. When i read
a quote or sentence i enjoy I often pass it along.
I don't mean to thread jack as often as I do..... but i
think the quote is relevant to this open discussion on rsd.
Maybe some "spirit zealot" out there will enjoy using the
Banksy quote the next time a "aggro zealot" like yourself
pulls a typical cheater stunt on the playing field.
feel free to disagree,etc.
Later bub,
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, mo.
a AUDL game.
"After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
players have begun trying to get away with what they can. "
when i started playing...it has been predicted by many that
more aggressive play and outright cheating would become more
and more common in ultimate when refs were brought in or
when the sport became main stream. I've read the hand
written letters / essays from early promoters of ultimate.
My office (State Historical Society of Missouri) has those
original documents in the MDSC holdings (accession 5828,
approx. 30 linear ft. of files)
I think the Banksy quote pertains to the cheating
mindset....or life path that sorta player chooses.
I enjoy words and quotes more than you do Leber. When i read
a quote or sentence i enjoy I often pass it along.
I don't mean to thread jack as often as I do..... but i
think the quote is relevant to this open discussion on rsd.
Maybe some "spirit zealot" out there will enjoy using the
Banksy quote the next time a "aggro zealot" like yourself
pulls a typical cheater stunt on the playing field.
feel free to disagree,etc.
Later bub,
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, mo.
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 3:38:33 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 12:25 pm, Lance Marput <lancemar...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> Bayes mentioned the below....sounds like he witnessed it at
> a AUDL game.
>
> "After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can. "
which leads me to believe you are trying to make a point about reffed
ultimate.......in that its bad. yet ive read where you say you arent
anti ref. AND are you saying its not obvious that players (in self
officiated ultimate) dont regularly try to get away with what they can
(bumping the marker, fast counting, going offsides, double teaming,
etc)"?
this is why i dont get what the point you are trying to make is. care
to clarify that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
will end dec 21 2012?
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I've read the hand
> written letters / essays from early promoters of ultimate.
> My office (State Historical Society of Missouri) has those
> original documents in the MDSC holdings (accession 5828,
> approx. 30 linear ft. of files)
so did any of thes writings come from people that actually tried
reffed ultimate......or was it just speculation? cause i read a lot
of stuff from people that have actually played ultimate with refs that
were advocates of it being better because it didnt allow people to
cheat as much AND allowed players to focus on playing
-------------------------------------------
ultimate too, no?
-----------------------------------------------------------
relevancy and show where they stand on an issue.......yours didnt do
either of those things
----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
one? cause it seemed you were directing this quote towards reffed
ulti......as if cheating dosent occur in so ulti
----------------------------------------------
>
> feel free to disagree,etc.
i will and do. you make it so easy though
> Bayes mentioned the below....sounds like he witnessed it at
> a AUDL game.
>
> "After playing in a few games, it's pretty obvious that
> players have begun trying to get away with what they can. "
ultimate.......in that its bad. yet ive read where you say you arent
anti ref. AND are you saying its not obvious that players (in self
officiated ultimate) dont regularly try to get away with what they can
(bumping the marker, fast counting, going offsides, double teaming,
etc)"?
this is why i dont get what the point you are trying to make is. care
to clarify that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Since the beginning of the sport....or at least the 1970s
> when i started playing...it has been predicted by many that
> more aggressive play and outright cheating would become more
> and more common in ultimate when refs were brought in or
> when the sport became main stream.
so what, a lot of people predict a lot of shit. do you think the world
> Since the beginning of the sport....or at least the 1970s
> when i started playing...it has been predicted by many that
> more aggressive play and outright cheating would become more
> and more common in ultimate when refs were brought in or
> when the sport became main stream.
will end dec 21 2012?
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I've read the hand
> written letters / essays from early promoters of ultimate.
> My office (State Historical Society of Missouri) has those
> original documents in the MDSC holdings (accession 5828,
> approx. 30 linear ft. of files)
reffed ultimate......or was it just speculation? cause i read a lot
of stuff from people that have actually played ultimate with refs that
were advocates of it being better because it didnt allow people to
cheat as much AND allowed players to focus on playing
-------------------------------------------
>
> I think the Banksy quote pertains to the cheating
> mindset....or life path that sorta player chooses.
and it can be just as easily applied to traditional self officiated
> I think the Banksy quote pertains to the cheating
> mindset....or life path that sorta player chooses.
ultimate too, no?
-----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I enjoy words and quotes more than you do Leber. When i read
> a quote or sentence i enjoy I often pass it along.
other people will do the same thing its just that their quotes have
> I enjoy words and quotes more than you do Leber. When i read
> a quote or sentence i enjoy I often pass it along.
relevancy and show where they stand on an issue.......yours didnt do
either of those things
----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't mean to thread jack as often as I do..... but i
> think the quote is relevant to this open discussion on rsd.
how so?
> I don't mean to thread jack as often as I do..... but i
> think the quote is relevant to this open discussion on rsd.
-------------------------------
>
> Maybe some "spirit zealot" out there will enjoy using the
> Banksy quote the next time a "aggro zealot" like yourself
> pulls a typical cheater stunt on the playing field.
are you refering to cheating in a self officiated game or a reffed
> Maybe some "spirit zealot" out there will enjoy using the
> Banksy quote the next time a "aggro zealot" like yourself
> pulls a typical cheater stunt on the playing field.
one? cause it seemed you were directing this quote towards reffed
ulti......as if cheating dosent occur in so ulti
----------------------------------------------
>
> feel free to disagree,etc.
i will and do. you make it so easy though
Lance Marput
May 8, 2012, 4:05:03 PM5/8/12
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No time for a word by word mud fest with you Leber.
Best of luck with your rsd 2012 hysterionics effort.
Peter Mc
MDSC
Best of luck with your rsd 2012 hysterionics effort.
Peter Mc
MDSC
ulticritic
May 8, 2012, 5:58:34 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 4:05 pm, Lance Marput <lancemar...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> No time for a word by word mud fest with you Leber.
it dosent have to be word by word......just address how cheating is
any different in reffed and so ultimate?
of course, as they say, "if ya cant stand the heat........."
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dip shits like yourself........as i seem to have just done here.
smell ya later chummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmP
>
> No time for a word by word mud fest with you Leber.
any different in reffed and so ultimate?
of course, as they say, "if ya cant stand the heat........."
------------------------------------------
>
> Best of luck with your rsd 2012 hysterionics effort.
luck is not a factor. i have great skill in running off full of shit
> Best of luck with your rsd 2012 hysterionics effort.
dip shits like yourself........as i seem to have just done here.
smell ya later chummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmP
>
Reggie Fanelli
May 8, 2012, 6:08:03 PM5/8/12
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> No time for a word by word mud fest with you Leber.
---but time to say you don't have time.
damn....you're a stoop
Reggie Fanelli
May 8, 2012, 6:06:43 PM5/8/12
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> Maybe some "spirit zealot" out there will enjoy using the
> Banksy quote the next time a "aggro zealot" like yourself
> pulls a typical cheater stunt on the playing field.
---damn...you're stupid.
Greg Wakeman
May 9, 2012, 8:04:15 AM5/9/12
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Grass allergy man... My legs would be one GIANT rash and I'd
probably be in the hospital if I didn't wear leggings in
May/June...
probably be in the hospital if I didn't wear leggings in
May/June...
ulticritic
May 9, 2012, 9:15:34 AM5/9/12
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On May 9, 8:04 am, Greg Wakeman <wake2...@fredonia.edu> wrote:.
> Grass allergy man... My legs would be one GIANT rash and I'd
> probably be in the hospital if I didn't wear leggings in
> May/June...
i'll give ya that.....just make sure they match the uniforms. hats i
dont get though, backwards or forwards. i guess, functionaly, wearing
a baseball hat forwards would/could be functional, but at night? i'm
sure the auld higher ups will address these uniform issues and refine
their policies in the years to come though.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
> Grass allergy man... My legs would be one GIANT rash and I'd
> probably be in the hospital if I didn't wear leggings in
> May/June...
dont get though, backwards or forwards. i guess, functionaly, wearing
a baseball hat forwards would/could be functional, but at night? i'm
sure the auld higher ups will address these uniform issues and refine
their policies in the years to come though.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Kevin Sprong
May 9, 2012, 11:01:11 AM5/9/12
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During the Philly-Rhode Island AUDL game there was a foul
called on RI, in the endzone, and the Philly guy waved it
off. Turnover.
It was pretty cool.
called on RI, in the endzone, and the Philly guy waved it
off. Turnover.
It was pretty cool.
ulticritic
May 9, 2012, 11:40:10 AM5/9/12
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On May 9, 11:01 am, Kevin Sprong <kevinspr...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> During the Philly-Rhode Island AUDL game there was a foul
> called on RI, in the endzone, and the Philly guy waved it
> off. Turnover.
>
> It was pretty cool.
thats the integrity rule, right? and lets be honest, isnt THAT a
better way for good "spirit" to be displayed than having to obligate
players to make each and every call? this is somthing that ive been
screamin for decades as a better option of not only a superior form of
rule enforcement and game management BUT also a better way for good
"spirit" to be flourished.
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> During the Philly-Rhode Island AUDL game there was a foul
> called on RI, in the endzone, and the Philly guy waved it
> off. Turnover.
>
> It was pretty cool.
better way for good "spirit" to be displayed than having to obligate
players to make each and every call? this is somthing that ive been
screamin for decades as a better option of not only a superior form of
rule enforcement and game management BUT also a better way for good
"spirit" to be flourished.
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