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Rob
Aug 18, 2012, 3:35:04 PM8/18/12
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What an impressive performance by NexGen. Tyler DeGirolamo
stood out with some big skying Ds against Beau, and
Freechild had an incredible closing chasedown that concluded
with layout block as he slid into the back of the endzone.
Very fun game to watch.
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stood out with some big skying Ds against Beau, and
Freechild had an incredible closing chasedown that concluded
with layout block as he slid into the back of the endzone.
Very fun game to watch.
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anakin gerics
Aug 18, 2012, 6:18:35 PM8/18/12
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> Tyler DeGirolamo
> stood out
~~~~~~~~~~
---UOA All American 2012 out of Pittsburgh.
All American Team uniforms ought to be in the mail from Savage any
time now...if they aren't already!
Thank you SAVAGE ULTIMATE!
Twilley
Aug 18, 2012, 6:35:03 PM8/18/12
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Seriously, wtf does it mean for this sport when a team of
College all-stars beats the 2 time defending Club and recent
Worlds champion and last year's runner up in Club.
What the hell.
Seriously, what the hell happened in these games.
College all-stars beats the 2 time defending Club and recent
Worlds champion and last year's runner up in Club.
What the hell.
Seriously, what the hell happened in these games.
disc...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2012, 8:09:41 PM8/18/12
to Twilley
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:35:03 PM UTC-7, Twilley wrote:
> Seriously, wtf does it mean for this sport when a team of
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> College all-stars beats the 2 time defending Club and recent
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> Worlds champion and last year's runner up in Club.
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> What the hell.
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> Seriously, what the hell happened in these games.
>
it means:
> Seriously, wtf does it mean for this sport when a team of
>
> College all-stars beats the 2 time defending Club and recent
>
> Worlds champion and last year's runner up in Club.
>
>
>
> What the hell.
>
>
>
> Seriously, what the hell happened in these games.
>
a) tomorrow's a good day for ultimate; the future looks bright.
b) the kids are freakin good.
c) we get more chances to watch really fun ultimate.
certainly doesn't concern me at all.
sean
oherro
Aug 18, 2012, 8:30:04 PM8/18/12
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Some thoughts:
As has been said many times before, most of these "college
all-stars" are contributors at the elite club level so it's
not as embarrassing as it might seem
This NexGen team wouldn't be able to survive a grueling
tournament like Nationals. They are built to play single
games.
Team likely aren't going to tighten lines or show off their
plays and defensive sets against NexGen
Individual players are less likely to mentally and
physically push themselves to their limits in an exhibition
game as opposed to a tournament with a more meaningful
outcome
NexGen is pretty freaking good
As has been said many times before, most of these "college
all-stars" are contributors at the elite club level so it's
not as embarrassing as it might seem
This NexGen team wouldn't be able to survive a grueling
tournament like Nationals. They are built to play single
games.
Team likely aren't going to tighten lines or show off their
plays and defensive sets against NexGen
Individual players are less likely to mentally and
physically push themselves to their limits in an exhibition
game as opposed to a tournament with a more meaningful
outcome
NexGen is pretty freaking good
anakin gerics
Aug 18, 2012, 9:26:59 PM8/18/12
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> Seriously, wtf does it mean for this sport when a team of
> College all-stars beats the 2 time defending Club and recent
> Worlds champion and last year's runner up in Club.
---club ultimate sucks?
and.....if i were one of them college kids on the bus to the next
game....i'd be talkin' about figurin' out a way to unite as a club
team for the fall season...
jim
Aug 18, 2012, 10:30:04 PM8/18/12
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[quote title=anakin gerics wrote on Sat, 18 August 2012
18:26]>
---club ultimate sucks?
Been saying this for years.
Going from college to club is like taking a huge step back
in the ultimate experience. Zero fans, 90% of club teams
never experience playing with refs/observers so it always
feels like a scrimmage, shell out a ton of money to travel
to these scrimmages. Supposed to be the highest level but
I'd say about 90% of the better players in college stop
playing club after a year or two. You could say that jobs
and families get in te way....but why am I, and all my ex
ultimate friends, still playing other sports 15 years
latter? And couldnt givea shit about the UPA's version of
the sport? The UPA agenda is tired and great for a couple
years of college while the students like the social side of
the sport. When you boil it down though, the majority of us
played because we like to throw the disc, run around and
compete. Keep forcing players to play by the stale ass
spirit agenda and that shit gets old real quick.
AUDL and the UOA seem to be trying to progress the sport to
something I'd pay attention to....which is the only reason I
even pay attention to the talk here on RSD.
If you truly want to experience a better experience after
college....hell, even during college with the UOA....Why in
the hell would you not want to play something like the AUDL?
Or UOA? Unless you are trying to force your "spirit" shit
on everyone.
18:26]>
---club ultimate sucks?
Been saying this for years.
Going from college to club is like taking a huge step back
in the ultimate experience. Zero fans, 90% of club teams
never experience playing with refs/observers so it always
feels like a scrimmage, shell out a ton of money to travel
to these scrimmages. Supposed to be the highest level but
I'd say about 90% of the better players in college stop
playing club after a year or two. You could say that jobs
and families get in te way....but why am I, and all my ex
ultimate friends, still playing other sports 15 years
latter? And couldnt givea shit about the UPA's version of
the sport? The UPA agenda is tired and great for a couple
years of college while the students like the social side of
the sport. When you boil it down though, the majority of us
played because we like to throw the disc, run around and
compete. Keep forcing players to play by the stale ass
spirit agenda and that shit gets old real quick.
AUDL and the UOA seem to be trying to progress the sport to
something I'd pay attention to....which is the only reason I
even pay attention to the talk here on RSD.
If you truly want to experience a better experience after
college....hell, even during college with the UOA....Why in
the hell would you not want to play something like the AUDL?
Or UOA? Unless you are trying to force your "spirit" shit
on everyone.
Mike L
Aug 19, 2012, 12:45:04 AM8/19/12
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Don't read TOO much into this game. Revolver was just coming
off ECC and only dressed 15 players. No Mac Taylor, no Sam
Kanner, no Adam Simon (I think), etc. They just looked worn
out during the second half while NexGen just got more and
more fired up. It went from 8-8 to 12-8 in a hurry. The wind
didn't help in this regard. Both teams had some
uncharacteristic drops and bad passes, but the youngsters
were fresher and with Revolver shorn of their taller players
(save Beau) also better equipped to win 50-50 balls.
Spectating note: I was almost right at the downwind goal
line and had a great view of Dylan Freechild chasing down
Patrick Baylis and getting the D. The camera angle on the
highlight does not do justice to his speed on that play.
off ECC and only dressed 15 players. No Mac Taylor, no Sam
Kanner, no Adam Simon (I think), etc. They just looked worn
out during the second half while NexGen just got more and
more fired up. It went from 8-8 to 12-8 in a hurry. The wind
didn't help in this regard. Both teams had some
uncharacteristic drops and bad passes, but the youngsters
were fresher and with Revolver shorn of their taller players
(save Beau) also better equipped to win 50-50 balls.
Spectating note: I was almost right at the downwind goal
line and had a great view of Dylan Freechild chasing down
Patrick Baylis and getting the D. The camera angle on the
highlight does not do justice to his speed on that play.
Twilley
Aug 19, 2012, 2:00:04 AM8/19/12
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I will read a lot into this game. The two best teams in the
world just lost to a bunch of college players.
Heat losing to Kentucky? Giants losing to Alabama? Yankees
losing to their minor league farm team?
It's REALLY embarrassing and random.
world just lost to a bunch of college players.
Heat losing to Kentucky? Giants losing to Alabama? Yankees
losing to their minor league farm team?
It's REALLY embarrassing and random.
Twilley
Aug 19, 2012, 2:15:04 AM8/19/12
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Like, good for Nexgen and I bet some of the guys on that
team have now been playing longer than some of Revolver's
roster but...
I can't think of another sport where the best team in the
world could lose to a team of players in a lower league.
It's just so random. I feel like it's a big deal. Why is the
excuse for all of these club teams (that are almost ALL
losing!) that "They are tired, possibly old, and were
missing players." What the heck does that mean? Teams should
obviously prepare for Nexgen at this point and wouldn't they
have known the potential of the team after last year? It's
really weird and I wonder if every elite club player is just
"accepting" that they are all losing.
Good for Ring of Fire.
team have now been playing longer than some of Revolver's
roster but...
I can't think of another sport where the best team in the
world could lose to a team of players in a lower league.
It's just so random. I feel like it's a big deal. Why is the
excuse for all of these club teams (that are almost ALL
losing!) that "They are tired, possibly old, and were
missing players." What the heck does that mean? Teams should
obviously prepare for Nexgen at this point and wouldn't they
have known the potential of the team after last year? It's
really weird and I wonder if every elite club player is just
"accepting" that they are all losing.
Good for Ring of Fire.
Peter
Aug 19, 2012, 4:35:04 AM8/19/12
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Offense has so much advantage in Ultimate that the defense
literally has to sacrifice bodies to be viable at high
levels. Maybe the players on each team come to the personal
decision that they don't really care how they match-up
against Nexgen, and as a collective they lose, but they
stave off injury for the tournaments that matter to them.
literally has to sacrifice bodies to be viable at high
levels. Maybe the players on each team come to the personal
decision that they don't really care how they match-up
against Nexgen, and as a collective they lose, but they
stave off injury for the tournaments that matter to them.
Joe Seidler
Aug 19, 2012, 5:53:00 AM8/19/12
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You sound like the GOP who hate Obama so much they are against any idea he has even if the idea was theirs to begin with. We all get it... you hate the USAU (that makes 3 of you who take up so much space on RSD ranting and raving). BTW, when you quote percentages, you ought to try to know what you're talking about. Check out the elite Club teams from the past 10 years and see how many on their rosters are/were elite college players for many, many years.
Reggie Fanelli
Aug 19, 2012, 7:49:19 AM8/19/12
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> ---club ultimate sucks?
>
> Been saying this for years.
---me too!....
Reggie Fanelli
Aug 19, 2012, 7:53:14 AM8/19/12
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> You sound like the GOP who hate Obama so much they are against any idea he has even if the idea was theirs to begin with. We all get it... you hate the USAU (that makes 3 of you who take up so much space on RSD ranting and raving). BTW, when you quote percentages, you ought to try to know what you're talking about. Check out the elite Club teams from the past 10 years and see how many on their rosters are/were elite college players for many, many years.
---hey Joe...i didn't see jim neither rant nor rave....but here you
are....doing exactly the same....only oppositely.
so....who the fuck are you to say anything.
shut the f-bomb up and go back to cheering for your dorkie son and his
geek squad teammates.
Reggie Fanelli
Aug 19, 2012, 7:54:00 AM8/19/12
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> You sound like the GOP who hate Obama so much they are against any idea he has even if the idea was theirs to begin with. We all get it... you hate the USAU (that makes 3 of you who take up so much space on RSD ranting and raving). BTW, when you quote percentages, you ought to try to know what you're talking about. Check out the elite Club teams from the past 10 years and see how many on their rosters are/were elite college players for many, many years.
---ole joes 'rant and rave' radar is beeping like crazy.....off to
defend some ole stale shit.
matt zia
Aug 19, 2012, 10:15:04 AM8/19/12
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Twilley wrote on Sat, 18 August 2012 23:13
I don't think Nexgen is a case of a 'lower league' though.
In pretty much every professional sport, you could make a
competitive team out of teenagers and guys who are 20-22.
It's like if you took the first 15 guys drafted in the NBA
and had them play all the teams in the NBA. I'm willing to
bet the young guys would win about 50% of their games,
especially since there's always a couple NBA draft picks
who'd otherwise be playing huge roles on their teams.
Imagine Lebron's draft year; a few of the top 15 picks:
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwayne Wade.
Tell me those guys couldn't give NBA teams a run for their
money.
Of course Ultimate's a little different because a lot of the
college players on Nexgen have been playing top-level club
for years, but I think that's just a result of the amateur
status of the sport, both NCAA and pro leagues. Unlike any
other college sport where you can't play college once you
sign a pro contract, in Ultimate, you can do whatever the
hell you want. So guys like Rehder, Lance, and Mickle
(actually all of Nexgen, but they've played the longest and
arguably have the biggest roles of club teams, feel free to
disagree) can play both and have played both since they were
really young.
So I don't think it's necessarily bad that Revolver lost to
Nexgen. I think they should and could have won, but I think
the game, and really the whole Nexgen tour is a testament to
the strength of the proverbial "draft class" of this year
(to continue the NBA comparison).
-Matt
In pretty much every professional sport, you could make a
competitive team out of teenagers and guys who are 20-22.
It's like if you took the first 15 guys drafted in the NBA
and had them play all the teams in the NBA. I'm willing to
bet the young guys would win about 50% of their games,
especially since there's always a couple NBA draft picks
who'd otherwise be playing huge roles on their teams.
Imagine Lebron's draft year; a few of the top 15 picks:
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwayne Wade.
Tell me those guys couldn't give NBA teams a run for their
money.
Of course Ultimate's a little different because a lot of the
college players on Nexgen have been playing top-level club
for years, but I think that's just a result of the amateur
status of the sport, both NCAA and pro leagues. Unlike any
other college sport where you can't play college once you
sign a pro contract, in Ultimate, you can do whatever the
hell you want. So guys like Rehder, Lance, and Mickle
(actually all of Nexgen, but they've played the longest and
arguably have the biggest roles of club teams, feel free to
disagree) can play both and have played both since they were
really young.
So I don't think it's necessarily bad that Revolver lost to
Nexgen. I think they should and could have won, but I think
the game, and really the whole Nexgen tour is a testament to
the strength of the proverbial "draft class" of this year
(to continue the NBA comparison).
-Matt
Vancer
Aug 19, 2012, 11:10:04 AM8/19/12
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The NBA is a good analogy, but you don't want to look at
draft picks. Instead, look at the equivalent players to
NEXGEN:
1. Approximate age 21-23 (juniors/seniors/5th years)
2. Experience playing at that level (Nationals level club
experience)
There's a really good corollary out there:
Kevin Durant - 23
James Harden - 22
Serge Ibaka - 22
Russell Westbrook - 23
How'd they do this year?
Now, that's clearly not enough to fill out a team. So let's
add
Kevin Love - 23
Derek Rose - 22
Blake Griffin - 22
Stephen Curry - 23
Jrue Holiday - 21
That's a 9 deep that would be fantastic in the NBA, and
would definitely have a shot at winning the championship.
draft picks. Instead, look at the equivalent players to
NEXGEN:
1. Approximate age 21-23 (juniors/seniors/5th years)
2. Experience playing at that level (Nationals level club
experience)
There's a really good corollary out there:
Kevin Durant - 23
James Harden - 22
Serge Ibaka - 22
Russell Westbrook - 23
How'd they do this year?
Now, that's clearly not enough to fill out a team. So let's
add
Kevin Love - 23
Derek Rose - 22
Blake Griffin - 22
Stephen Curry - 23
Jrue Holiday - 21
That's a 9 deep that would be fantastic in the NBA, and
would definitely have a shot at winning the championship.
disc...@yahoo.com
Aug 19, 2012, 11:46:54 AM8/19/12
to jim
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:30:04 PM UTC-7, jim wrote:
sean
matt zia
Aug 19, 2012, 11:55:03 AM8/19/12
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I guess looking at age is better given how long some guys
have played club. I was thinking about the difference
between college and club rather than just age. However with
the NBA analogy, guys like Durant, Westbrook, etc, would
have just finished their senior years in college, so yeah
definitely the age comparison is better.
And that NBA team would be filthy. I'd put them not just as
having a shot to win a championship, but as a pre-season
favorite to win a championship.
have played club. I was thinking about the difference
between college and club rather than just age. However with
the NBA analogy, guys like Durant, Westbrook, etc, would
have just finished their senior years in college, so yeah
definitely the age comparison is better.
And that NBA team would be filthy. I'd put them not just as
having a shot to win a championship, but as a pre-season
favorite to win a championship.
dbar...@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2012, 12:44:32 PM8/19/12
to Vancer
I watched the game live and these kids are for real as individuals and play beautifully as a team. Across the board NexGen players ran just as fast, threw more accurately, worked harder on D (especially after a turn), and executed time after time when they had to. I read into it, for sure, but it's much less about Revolver - they will likely use it to sharpen their game and prepare for the series. It is about the most talented kids who are playing through high school and college - put them together and they can shred anyone.
dbar...@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2012, 1:11:45 PM8/19/12
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>
> ---hey Joe...i didn't see jim neither rant nor rave....but here you
>
> are....doing exactly the same....only oppositely.
>
> so....who the fuck are you to say anything.
>
> shut the f-bomb up and go back to cheering for your dorkie son and his
>
> geek squad teammates.
Joaquin
Aug 19, 2012, 1:40:03 PM8/19/12
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Mark Sherwood is an incredible defender. He used and abused
Alex Thorne the entire game, to the point where it looked
like Thorne was afraid to throw a break.
Dylan Freechild and Tyler DiGirolomo are two of the best
players in ultimate.
Tommy Lamar has no business being on this team.
Alex Thorne the entire game, to the point where it looked
like Thorne was afraid to throw a break.
Dylan Freechild and Tyler DiGirolomo are two of the best
players in ultimate.
Tommy Lamar has no business being on this team.
jacob...@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2012, 1:55:25 PM8/19/12
to Joaquin
Why are you dissing Tommy like this? Please back this up.
Mikey
Aug 19, 2012, 2:25:04 PM8/19/12
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Why so many excuses for club teams coming off of
tournaments? Nexgen has been on the road for over a month if
you include their practice time in Colorado, and it sounds
like riding in the bus in less than ideal for 15 guys +
crew. I can only imagine how terrible that thing smells...
it has to be mentally and physically taxing to be travelling
for that long.
It's pretty cool to think that the USA could send an U-23
team to any tournament in the world and win it. It also
makes me want to see a Dream Team like Skyd wrote about.
tournaments? Nexgen has been on the road for over a month if
you include their practice time in Colorado, and it sounds
like riding in the bus in less than ideal for 15 guys +
crew. I can only imagine how terrible that thing smells...
it has to be mentally and physically taxing to be travelling
for that long.
It's pretty cool to think that the USA could send an U-23
team to any tournament in the world and win it. It also
makes me want to see a Dream Team like Skyd wrote about.
Joaquin
Aug 19, 2012, 3:55:04 PM8/19/12
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http://www.nexgentour.com/statistics
Look at Tommy Lamar's stats compared to the rest of the
team. He's invisible on the field.
Look at Tommy Lamar's stats compared to the rest of the
team. He's invisible on the field.
Jarrett
Aug 19, 2012, 6:39:42 PM8/19/12
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doesnt have the goals or assists others have, but his point count is
high, and his turns to touch is pretty good too. more Ds than turns is
always good right?
prob the longest player on the team in regards to wingspan minus
tyler.
saying he is invisible is kind of a stretch though..maybe not-flashy
is a better description?
Hack
Aug 19, 2012, 7:20:04 PM8/19/12
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The 1992 Dream Team lost to a bunch of college kids too:
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-25/sports/sp-1411_1_olympic-team
I believe they scrimmaged them again after this and I am not
sure the college team made a single basket.
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-25/sports/sp-1411_1_olympic-team
I believe they scrimmaged them again after this and I am not
sure the college team made a single basket.
beatty
Aug 19, 2012, 8:00:03 PM8/19/12
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Vassar
Aug 19, 2012, 8:15:04 PM8/19/12
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@smntstatus are you saying he doesn't belong on the team
just because of incomplete Leaguevine stats? Have you
watched any of the games? Closely or just the numbers on
screen?
He's playing great D and filling the mid-cutter role well.
Vassar
just because of incomplete Leaguevine stats? Have you
watched any of the games? Closely or just the numbers on
screen?
He's playing great D and filling the mid-cutter role well.
Vassar
Bwat
Aug 19, 2012, 8:26:48 PM8/19/12
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What I read from this.
1. The dream team lost a scrimmage to a bunch of college
all-stars, so crazy stuff can happen:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/the-dream-teams-very-bad-day/?ref=sports
2. I bet like the dream team, if this game happened again
the next day, it would be a different story.
3. Those NexGen kids played out of their head -- they can
play. A number of them will be top club players for years.
Very impressed.
4. Having watched Revolver a bunch in recent years -- they
looked off -- especially on O. Not to take away from NexGen
(see #3), but this wasn't the team that won nationals last
year.
I think missing Chicken and Nick Schlag hurt their O more
than people realize. It made Robbie play dump and meant
other players were throwing. That plus adjusting to some
new additions and subtractions made their O look shaky,
especially on decision making/hucks. I think a lot of club
teams would have beaten them playing like that.
5. In sum -- a really good team beat a great team that
played poorly. Knowing Revolver, it was a wake up call that
you will see in their play in Sarasota.
1. The dream team lost a scrimmage to a bunch of college
all-stars, so crazy stuff can happen:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/the-dream-teams-very-bad-day/?ref=sports
2. I bet like the dream team, if this game happened again
the next day, it would be a different story.
3. Those NexGen kids played out of their head -- they can
play. A number of them will be top club players for years.
Very impressed.
4. Having watched Revolver a bunch in recent years -- they
looked off -- especially on O. Not to take away from NexGen
(see #3), but this wasn't the team that won nationals last
year.
I think missing Chicken and Nick Schlag hurt their O more
than people realize. It made Robbie play dump and meant
other players were throwing. That plus adjusting to some
new additions and subtractions made their O look shaky,
especially on decision making/hucks. I think a lot of club
teams would have beaten them playing like that.
5. In sum -- a really good team beat a great team that
played poorly. Knowing Revolver, it was a wake up call that
you will see in their play in Sarasota.
anakin gerics
Aug 19, 2012, 8:42:42 PM8/19/12
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> Does it really make you feel better to try to bully a former opponent's father?
no idea who his kid is...only, that he rants and raves about ONLY
having watched 'his son' play a hundred games.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Then insult the son and his team after all these years?
---they're west coast right?
that's insult enough.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The "geek squad" team that collected handfuls of national collegiate
and open championships while (and after) your college team faded away?
Is that the sore that just won't heal?
---MY college team never faded away......MY five years cain't be
and open championships while (and after) your college team faded away?
Is that the sore that just won't heal?
faded.
sore?.....right....ya better ask somebody.
anakin gerics
Aug 20, 2012, 8:27:05 AM8/20/12
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> He's playing great D and filling the mid-cutter role well.
---what does "filling the mid cutter role well" mean?
kristopher coley
Aug 20, 2012, 10:55:05 AM8/20/12
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big deal, so a watered down revolver lost a friendly match
to a very talented team. nexgen had more riding on this than
revolver.
was it a big deal when chelsea lost to the mls all stars?
no.
personally, i'm tired of watching watered down squads
because some of the club teams see these as friendly
matches.
maybe nexgen should just attend a tournament or two with top
quality club teams.
to a very talented team. nexgen had more riding on this than
revolver.
was it a big deal when chelsea lost to the mls all stars?
no.
personally, i'm tired of watching watered down squads
because some of the club teams see these as friendly
matches.
maybe nexgen should just attend a tournament or two with top
quality club teams.
rsdaccount
Aug 20, 2012, 11:35:03 AM8/20/12
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If you listened to the commentary during the Revolver game,
Revolver's coach said they were treating the Nexgen game
just like any other game.
I have to agree with some of the other comments here.
Revolver really needs dynamic players in order to play like
they expect to play. The loss of Simon, Taylor and Kanner,
guys who play significant roles on that team, forced others
into positions that they just didn't seem ready for. Their
offense looks really dysfunctional and they kept throwing
into poaches.
Revolver's coach said they were treating the Nexgen game
just like any other game.
I have to agree with some of the other comments here.
Revolver really needs dynamic players in order to play like
they expect to play. The loss of Simon, Taylor and Kanner,
guys who play significant roles on that team, forced others
into positions that they just didn't seem ready for. Their
offense looks really dysfunctional and they kept throwing
into poaches.
kristopher coley
Aug 20, 2012, 1:05:03 PM8/20/12
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yeah, what coach wouldnt say that.
Kevin
Aug 20, 2012, 2:05:05 PM8/20/12
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I watched the game live. While it was pretty clear Revolver
was missing a few key players, they still treated the game
like it really mattered to them. The got fired up just like
it was the finals in a big tournament, and they looked
pretty shattered after the loss. Those guys take a lot of
pride in their team, and they know fans care about this
game. It seemed to me that they wanted to win for
themselves and their hometown crowd.
Having said that, Nexgen fielded a particularly strong squad
this year. The talent and athleticism on that team are the
real deal. Plus, they seemed more committed to valuing the
disc than they were last season (I can't tell you how many
seemingly open hucks they looked off because the throw
wasn't 100% there for one reason or another).
As a result, this Nexgen team looked stellar against the
best competition in the world. It isn't shocking they had a
shot at winning the game though. It's as if people forget
that Revolver didn't win ECC recently, or that their
impressive worlds gold came as a result of two close 1 point
wins against team Canada and Australia. Revolver is a great
team and a perennial favorite to win Open Nationals, but
they are not unbeatable.
Last weekend, Nexgen was just the better team.
--
Kevin
I have a blog if that is the sort of thing that interests
you:
www.pushpass.wordpress.com
was missing a few key players, they still treated the game
like it really mattered to them. The got fired up just like
it was the finals in a big tournament, and they looked
pretty shattered after the loss. Those guys take a lot of
pride in their team, and they know fans care about this
game. It seemed to me that they wanted to win for
themselves and their hometown crowd.
Having said that, Nexgen fielded a particularly strong squad
this year. The talent and athleticism on that team are the
real deal. Plus, they seemed more committed to valuing the
disc than they were last season (I can't tell you how many
seemingly open hucks they looked off because the throw
wasn't 100% there for one reason or another).
As a result, this Nexgen team looked stellar against the
best competition in the world. It isn't shocking they had a
shot at winning the game though. It's as if people forget
that Revolver didn't win ECC recently, or that their
impressive worlds gold came as a result of two close 1 point
wins against team Canada and Australia. Revolver is a great
team and a perennial favorite to win Open Nationals, but
they are not unbeatable.
Last weekend, Nexgen was just the better team.
--
Kevin
I have a blog if that is the sort of thing that interests
you:
www.pushpass.wordpress.com
rsdaccount
Aug 20, 2012, 2:13:54 PM8/20/12
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Yes, it does seem that Revolver is not the young, hungry
team they were a couple years ago. We'll see if they can
turn it around for one more year.
Meanwhile, Nexgen is a CLUB All Star team. I think the idea
that these guys are a bunch of "college all stars" is a bit
misleading when the vast majority of them are leaders and
playmakers on the very same club teams they play against.
team they were a couple years ago. We'll see if they can
turn it around for one more year.
Meanwhile, Nexgen is a CLUB All Star team. I think the idea
that these guys are a bunch of "college all stars" is a bit
misleading when the vast majority of them are leaders and
playmakers on the very same club teams they play against.
Joaquin
Aug 20, 2012, 2:30:04 PM8/20/12
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I've watched every single point of every single NexGen game.
He doesn't throw goals, he doesn't catch goals, and the
announcer rarely mentions his name. For a guy of his size,
he could have a much bigger impact on the game. It's not a
stretch to say he's the worst player on this team (which
isn't to say he's bad, more like NexGen has a bunch of
awesome players).
He doesn't throw goals, he doesn't catch goals, and the
announcer rarely mentions his name. For a guy of his size,
he could have a much bigger impact on the game. It's not a
stretch to say he's the worst player on this team (which
isn't to say he's bad, more like NexGen has a bunch of
awesome players).
Slam
Aug 20, 2012, 3:47:05 PM8/20/12
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Or.. maybe! Tommy is filling a role that needs to be
filled.. like Vassar mentioned earlier, solid mid-field
cutting and defense, sometimes marking up against the other
team's top big guy (see: matching up against Tunnell vs.
Chain.) Safe to say he's holding his own against current
superstars of our sport.
You can't measure success or lack thereof based on
statistics. He's obviously meshing with the rest of the Bus
to a point where they've beaten almost every team they've
faced. It seems to me he was taught to play the game the
right way, which is to help out the team any way he can.
Stop hatin'!
filled.. like Vassar mentioned earlier, solid mid-field
cutting and defense, sometimes marking up against the other
team's top big guy (see: matching up against Tunnell vs.
Chain.) Safe to say he's holding his own against current
superstars of our sport.
You can't measure success or lack thereof based on
statistics. He's obviously meshing with the rest of the Bus
to a point where they've beaten almost every team they've
faced. It seems to me he was taught to play the game the
right way, which is to help out the team any way he can.
Stop hatin'!
Gob Bluth
Aug 20, 2012, 11:35:04 PM8/20/12
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Gosh I totally forgot that stats are the most important
aspect of a player's performance!! Why on EARTH would the
Celtics start Kendrick Perkins? It makes NO SENSE that the
Heat even have Shane Battier on the ROSTER. MAN! If you
think any of the players on this bus don't deserve to be
here you are a fool. THey will match up with you and then
beat you and you will look like a fool, fool.
This is a team of amateurs that have been hand picked to be
really good beating another team of amateurs. The latter of
which uses zero percent of its playbook. Why would you ever
give another team your playbook? If you think club ultimate
is bad THEN STOP WATCHING AND FOLLOWING CLUB ULTIMATE
SILLY.
aspect of a player's performance!! Why on EARTH would the
Celtics start Kendrick Perkins? It makes NO SENSE that the
Heat even have Shane Battier on the ROSTER. MAN! If you
think any of the players on this bus don't deserve to be
here you are a fool. THey will match up with you and then
beat you and you will look like a fool, fool.
This is a team of amateurs that have been hand picked to be
really good beating another team of amateurs. The latter of
which uses zero percent of its playbook. Why would you ever
give another team your playbook? If you think club ultimate
is bad THEN STOP WATCHING AND FOLLOWING CLUB ULTIMATE
SILLY.
Joshua Greenough
Aug 20, 2012, 11:58:37 PM8/20/12
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Give credit when credit is due. Revolver may not have dressed all of the team but the players available dressed to win. The game was tied up at 6's and NexGen took a huge break going into half. Nobody expected this game to be an easy game and I would guess that 99% of players (myself certainly included) would have been out classed by the raw speed on the field. The D by Dylan was as fast as mentioned previously and a huge swing in momentum as it would have been a big break for Revolver.
NexGen did a nice job of helping on deep throws with almost every huck being contested by at least two defenders. Revolver should have been better about punishing the poachers but did not and that was a major difference. A few creative throws by NexGen in high stall situations showed skill under pressure as well as confidence. Late in the game with the deep game struggling NexGen put even more pressure on the handlers and got an extra turn or two. A missed D here or there and bobbled disc can be the difference in momentum, credit again to NexGen.
I am constantly shocked by how critical arm chair organizers are of something that is a great thing. Again credit where it is due because this event had a very reasonable crowd, no franchise fees needed, that showed up on a foggy night to pay money to watch a good game of Ultimate.
The 49ers used to play at the same Kezar venue back in the day and as a Bay Area local some of that lore was in the air. I wish that we had a few less drops and was very happy that the observers helped keep the game going for the crowd and stream. Good job Kevin and the whole tour, you are doing great things for the sport.
Greenough #99
PS. Because of some media exposure 20% of the crowd came as first time Ultimate fans which is a win in and of itself. This type of thing alone is worth a grant in my opinion.
NexGen did a nice job of helping on deep throws with almost every huck being contested by at least two defenders. Revolver should have been better about punishing the poachers but did not and that was a major difference. A few creative throws by NexGen in high stall situations showed skill under pressure as well as confidence. Late in the game with the deep game struggling NexGen put even more pressure on the handlers and got an extra turn or two. A missed D here or there and bobbled disc can be the difference in momentum, credit again to NexGen.
I am constantly shocked by how critical arm chair organizers are of something that is a great thing. Again credit where it is due because this event had a very reasonable crowd, no franchise fees needed, that showed up on a foggy night to pay money to watch a good game of Ultimate.
The 49ers used to play at the same Kezar venue back in the day and as a Bay Area local some of that lore was in the air. I wish that we had a few less drops and was very happy that the observers helped keep the game going for the crowd and stream. Good job Kevin and the whole tour, you are doing great things for the sport.
Greenough #99
PS. Because of some media exposure 20% of the crowd came as first time Ultimate fans which is a win in and of itself. This type of thing alone is worth a grant in my opinion.
anakin gerics
Aug 21, 2012, 6:52:16 AM8/21/12
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If you think club ultimate
> is bad THEN STOP WATCHING AND FOLLOWING CLUB ULTIMATE
> SILLY.
~~~~~~~~
> is bad THEN STOP WATCHING AND FOLLOWING CLUB ULTIMATE
> SILLY.
---what sort of nerd watched AND follows club ultimate?
sounds horrible....
jacob...@gmail.com
Aug 23, 2012, 8:35:45 PM8/23/12
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See, Joaquin? Why can't you be more like Josh?
Joaquin
Aug 23, 2012, 9:05:04 PM8/23/12
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Tommy Lamar:
Fourth most playing time, fourth worst completion
percentage, second worst offensive efficiency, fifth worst
defensive efficiency, tied for second to last in goals,
worst in assists, announcers never talk about him, never
makes any plays, completely invisible on the field.
I'm sure the guy is an outstanding human being and a great
ultimate player, but he fails both the stats test and the
eye test on NexGen.
Oh, and Shane Battier hit 58% of his threes in the finals
and was a difference maker for the Heat.
Fourth most playing time, fourth worst completion
percentage, second worst offensive efficiency, fifth worst
defensive efficiency, tied for second to last in goals,
worst in assists, announcers never talk about him, never
makes any plays, completely invisible on the field.
I'm sure the guy is an outstanding human being and a great
ultimate player, but he fails both the stats test and the
eye test on NexGen.
Oh, and Shane Battier hit 58% of his threes in the finals
and was a difference maker for the Heat.
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