2008 Central Regionals
John....@gmail.com
Lake Superior
1 - Wisconsin
2 - Wisconsin-Whitewater
3 - Marquette
4 - Wisconsin-B
5 - Wisconsin-Eau Claire
Northwoods
1 - Carleton College
2 - Minnesota
3 - Winona State
4 - Minnesota Duluth
5 - St John's
6 - Carleton College-GOP
West Plains
1 - Iowa
2 - Iowa State
3 - Luther
4 - University of Northern Iowa
5 - Grinnell
Post your thoughts on seedings. I eagerly await valid arguments,
(especially how low those n00bs at Duluth are going to finish), and of
course can't wait to see how Billy Berrou no spam and M. Gerics get
into this thread.
/\/\isra
ISUC #7
p.s.
"Creature", I'm just kidding about the Duluth remark.
mcke...@d.umn.edu
about an hour now. There is definitely some clear cut seeding at the
top and bottom, and there is definitely a lot of confusion in the
middle. I blame the West Plains section for that. On paper Luther is
the best team out of the section with a win over Kansas and a close-
ish (9-13) loss to Colorado, plus they are amazing singers. But is
Kansas that good? I know Colorado is. But Dill and the boys had to go
and let Iowa and Iowa St. beat them last weekend. I accept your
apology Dill. So how do you deal with that? You have to reward a
sections winner over a third place finish, right Geo?
LUFDA isn't the only question mark though. My own team, the Northern
Lights, have had some embarrassing losses but some solid showings.
Similarly, Marquette has won a lot of games, but against who? GOP
didn't seem that great most of sections, but they had an unstoppable
deep game against St. Olaf in the sixth place game to go. As an aside,
Olaf is good. The scores from sections may make it seem like they are
not, but they are a regionals caliber team. I do not want to speculate
on why they feel apart on Sunday, but they were running on all pistons
on Saturday. As far as the teams we played goes, they had one of the
best deep look offenses and by far the tightest defense on handlers.
St. Johns played a tight one against Marquette down in GA for the high
tide championship and did what they had to do to make it to regionals.
They are not the same Bad-Ass-Monks of the past though, they lack
depth and rely heavily on 4 or 5 great players. They do well when
underestimated though, I hope they can break seed again this weekend
like last, great group of guys.
My dark horse for the tournament are the Pimpdags. Not very good on
paper, very fundamental and well coached. A lot of scrapes from the
Hodags would run the show at most colleges, and here a bunch are on
one squad. My guess is that the coach(s) of the pimpdags have been
playing there guys for experience and not for wins. Now it is time to
win. They had a crazy four man zone when we played them in Springfield
and I expect them to beat at least one or two teams that do not take
them seriously.
Top five without a doubt:
1. Wisconsin
2. CUT
3. Grey Duck
4. UW-Whitewater
5. Winona State
Bottom four without a doubt:
16. Northern Iowa
15. Eau Claire
14. Grinnell
13. GOP
The Middle is tough, i have my doubts:
6. Iowa
7. Luther
8. Marquette
9. Duluth
10. Iowa State
11. St. John's
12. Wisconsin-B
So not worried about sections rematches and considering the brackets
they used last year the pools would look like:
Pool A: Wisconsin(1), Marquette(8), Iowa State(10), Eau Claire(15)
Pool B: CUT(2), Luther(7), Duluth(9), Northern Iowa(16)
Pool C: Minnesota(3), Iowa(6), Wisconsin-B(12), GOP(13)
Pool D: UW-Whitewater(4), Winona State(5), St. John's(11),
Grinnell(14)
So there it is, go ahead and tweak it, I am not that attached to my
opinions. Except that Duluth is way over/under-rated so they should
get two seedings, split their squad, and take ISUC's bid.
Jake McKean.
UMD-Northern Lights. #6.
Central.R...@gmail.com
>
> Top five without a doubt:
> 1. Wisconsin
> 2. CUT
> 3. Grey Duck
> 4. UW-Whitewater
> 5. Winona State
>
> Bottom four without a doubt:
> 16. Northern Iowa
> 15. Eau Claire
> 14. Grinnell
> 13. GOP
>
> The Middle is tough, i have my doubts:
> 6. Iowa
> 7. Luther
> 8. Marquette
> 9. Duluth
> 10. Iowa State
> 11. St. John's
> 12. Wisconsin-B
There are some fundamental errors in your seedings above, as no team
can be seeded higher than a team who finished better at Sectionals.
Therefore Luther, who you have at 7, cannot be seeded above Iowa
State, whom you have at 10. Also Grinnell, whom you have at 14,
cannot be seeded higher than N. Iowa, whom you have at 16.
Central.R...@gmail.com
why teams should be where, but here is my take on seedings.
1 - Wisconsin
2 - Carleton
3 - Minnesota
4 - Iowa
5 - Whitewater
6 - Winona State
7 - Iowa State
8 - Luther
9 - Duluth
10 - Marquette
11 - Wisconsin-B
12 - St. Johns
13 - Eau Claire
14 - GOP
15 - N. Iowa
16 - Grinnell
benh...@gmail.com
best non-A team in the country. Wisconsin-B has beaten UMD has beaten
GOP twice, GOP crushed Olaf crushed Wisc-B. Those are the only common
opponents, but beyond that GOP has the clear edge, and comes from the
strongest section in the region, giving us these seedings:
1 - Wisconsin
2 - Carleton
3 - Minnesota
4 - Winona State
5 - Whitewater
6 - Iowa
7 - Duluth
8 - Marquette
9 - St. Johns
10 - GOP
11 - Iowa State
12 - Luther
13 - UNI
14 - Grinnell
15 - Wisconsin-B
16 - Eau Claire
BDubs
What was everyone surprised with this weekend??? I for one was very
surprised on Stolaf shitting the bed....
Any Standouts??? All region? Freshman?
mcke...@d.umn.edu
placement. I thought there was some discretion there. If that is the
case then the west plains really messes this up. If Luther is a three
seed I do not want to be in that pool.
As far as GOP vs Pimpdags: I have had the misfortune of losing to both
of these teams in my college ultimate career. GOP won with amazing
catches in swilly conditions, a lot of chemistry, a few play makers,
and a lot of annoying cheers. When I lost to the pimpdags they won
with, in my opinion, fundamental ultimate without the need to rely on
any one player or luck. Any team that makes it to regionals in my eye
is a pretty decent team. A, B, or non-A as you call it. I hope both
teams do well this weekend. Especially when we are not playing them.
But GOP can't be seeded 10th over Iowa State and Luther.
I am curious why you seeded Winona over Whitewater? I love the boys
from the valley, I hope they pull some upsets out.
At second glance Iowa has had a good year with a great sectionals. As
much as I hate to admit it central.region.....'s seedings make a lot
of sense.
mcke...@d.umn.edu
Paul from Winona State was impossible to guard. Kenny had great break
throws. Derek's beard was flawless.
Russ made the move from ugly duckling to grey duck and works hard and
fast to get open. great handler d as well.
The guy on GOP with the yellow hat has great spirit and always plays
well.
Although St. Thomas didn't qualify I though Izzy, Smokey, and Hiene is
it- all played well when I was watching. Nice job bringing out a B
team as well.
St Johns made a nice run to break seed.
Duchamanos
team can out cheer the other? GoP's "G-O-Penis, U-S-Anus" cheer is
much more creative than "Pimps up, ho's down", but the Dawgs make up
for it with tenacity. They cheer and spike after every point they
score, even the last point after hard cap is called and they still
lost. GoP's pre-game patriotic pump up cheer is uninspiring, while
Wisc-B's pre-game is completely unmemorable. At least neither does
the "elcamino, el el camino" cheer (which is even more ridiculous when
performed by a women's team) or the "aaaiir-baaalll" style cheer.
Frankly, the cheer competition will be fierce, and will likely depend
on volume, total number, and technical accuracy. Observers should be
present to make sure all calls are legit.
On a side note, if there was a cheer nationals, I think Dartmouth
would be the clear one seed. They do a completely different call and
response cheer after every score, sometime even when their opponents
score. It really throws you for a loop.
jeri...@juno.com
Carleton and Marquette are ridiculous this year. Anyone else
surprised that St. Olaf didn't make it to regionals this year? They
were seeded 3rd but got knocked out fairly quickly, which came as a
shocker to me. I really don't know why Luther is seeded behind IHUC
or ISUC, they are clearly the best team in the state. Although it
probably doesn't help their cause when they refuse to recruit club
players to come and play college disc, IHUC has a smart strategy
there. Luther was so demoralized by the IHUC loss that they
essentially gave up to ISUC. UNI seems like an up and coming
powerhouse within the West Plains sectionals arena, with an upset
victory against ISUC first day they seem to be heading in the right
direction. Although it doesn't help their cause when their best
handlers are under 4 feet tall. Grinnell is a must have at Regionals,
with their crazy antics and cheers it keeps the spirits of everyone up.
Central.R...@gmail.com
> best non-A team in the country. Wisconsin-B has beaten UMD has beaten
> GOP twice, GOP crushed Olaf crushed Wisc-B. Those are the only common
> opponents, but beyond that GOP has the clear edge, and comes from the
> strongest section in the region, giving us these seedings:
>
> 1 - Wisconsin
> 2 - Carleton
> 3 - Minnesota
> 4 - Winona State
> 5 - Whitewater
> 6 - Iowa
> 7 - Duluth
> 8 - Marquette
> 9 - St. Johns
> 10 - GOP
> 11 - Iowa State
> 12 - Luther
> 13 - UNI
> 14 - Grinnell
> 15 - Wisconsin-B
> 16 - Eau Claire
I highly doubt that GOP is a 10 seed. No 6th place sectional finisher
is. Nor is Marquette an 8 seed, that makes me laugh. Northwoods may
be the deepest section, but it is not so much better that it's last-
place qualifier should be seeded above the #2 from the West Plains, or
even the #3 for that matter. You also seeded Wisconsin-B laughingly
low. I would personally be surprised if either Grinnell or N. Iowa
win a game, unless it is against each other.
>
Allow me to explain my seedings.
1. Wisconsin
2. Carleton
3. Minnesota
These first three seem to be a consensus, no need to waste any more
words here.
4. ???
This could be one of 3 teams: Winona, Iowa, or Whitewater. I believe
that Whitewater is the most talented of the three, and has played
better competition as well. Whitewater has split games with Iowa, and
Iowa has a +2 point differential in those games. Winona has no head
to head matchups with either team. Records against common opponents
(that all 3 teams played) are Winona 3-2, Iowa 1-2, Whitewater 3-2.
However, Whitewater and Winona both have wins over Oklahoma, whereas
Iowa got blown out by them at the same tournament where they played
Whitewater. Given this deeper analysis I'm going to change my own
previous seedings a bit here, as I no longer think that Iowa's mere +2
point dif over UWW is good enough to seed them higher. And based on
the fact that Whitewater has played stronger competition this year and
has a slightly higher RRI I will give them the 4 seed, with Winona and
Iowa following accordingly.
4. Whitewater
5. Winona State
6. Iowa
7. ???
I expected Luther to win their section, but they actually fell all the
way to third. To me Luther not finishing in the top 2 in their
section is the biggest upset to take place at any sectional this year,
and makes seedings a bit difficult. I hesitate to put Iowa State
here, because they're just not that good. In fact I think both
Marquette and Duluth are probably better teams, but the lower you push
Iowa State the lower that Luther has to go, and I really feel that
they are a top 8 team in the region. Perhaps I've overestimated
them. There are no head-to-head matchups between Iowa State, Duluth,
or Marquette, so no help there. Common opponents amongst all 3 teams
gives records of Duluth 1-0, Iowa State 1-1, Marquette 0-1. I would
give it to Duluth, but their blowout loss to Wisconsin-B gives me
pause. Still, I think the most logical way to seed is the following:
7. Duluth
8. Iowa State
9. Luther
I put Luther at 9 because I feel they are clearly deserve a higher
seeding than the rest of the field at this point, and I can't see
slotting anyone inbetween them just yet. Marquette is not as good as
Luther, nor are they deserving of automatically getting the #10 spot
without looking at the next team coming out of the Northwoods; St.
Johns. (Northern Iowa does not enter into the discussion) The first
thing to notice is that Marquette has the head-to-head win, but on
universe point that doesn't mean too much. Marquette has a
significantly higher RRI, which tends to mean better competition, and
I would tend to agree when I look at their opponents. I would give
Marquette the nod ahead of St. Johns.
10. Marquette
11. ???
St. Johns or Wisconsin-B? No head-to-head matchup took place.
Records against common opponents are St. Johns 1-5, Wisconsin-B 1-4.
No real edge there as it just means that St. Johns played a good team
one more time than Wisc-B did. This one is tough for me to seed, but
based on the fact that WiscB destroyed Duluth the one time they
played, and that St. Johns is 0-3 against Duluth, I give the edge to
Wisc-B. I also think that St. Johns has had a significantly better
season than Eau Claire to warrant them the automatic 12 seed after the
Pimpdags.
11. Wisconsin-B
12. St. Johns
13. ???
Here we must compare GOP against Eau Claire. No head-to-head, common
opponent records of 2-0 and 3-0 respectively, which is not much help
as they both proved they can crush the same two awful teams.
Truthfully there isn't much to go on, but I will give the nod to GOP
based on a stronger history of regionals presence, and the Northwoods
history of generally out-performing the Lake Superior section at
regionals.
13. GOP
14. Eau Claire
15. Northern Iowa
16. Grinnell.
There it is, and it has changed a bit from my original post after
doing a bit more in depth research of everyone's seasons. I dropped
Iowa to #6 and moved Whitewater and Winona up a slot. Duluth jumped
up to spots to #7 and bumped Iowa State and Luther down one each,
which I think is much more accurate. Marquette, Wisc-B, and St. Johns
didn't change. Eau Claire and GOP flipped, and those two are really a
toss up anyway. N. Iowa and Grinnell stay put, along with our
consensus top 3 teams.
I expect things to look very similar to this for the official
seedings.
jath...@gmail.com
Dill
I really don't know why Luther is seeded behind IHUC
> or ISUC, they are clearly the best team in the state. Although it
> probably doesn't help their cause when they refuse to recruit club
> players to come and play college disc, IHUC has a smart strategy
> there.
The worst part is that their club player actually graduated from
Luther in 2001 or so. If only we had gotten him to start his
eligibility then...
Dill
Luther #11
jeri...@juno.com
> doing a bit more in depth research of everyone's seasons. I dropped
> Iowa to #6 and moved Whitewater and Winona up a slot. Duluth jumped
> up to spots to #7 and bumped Iowa State and Luther down one each,
> which I think is much more accurate. Marquette, Wisc-B, and St. Johns
> didn't change. Eau Claire and GOP flipped, and those two are really a
> toss up anyway. N. Iowa and Grinnell stay put, along with our
> consensus top 3 teams.
>
> I expect things to look very similar to this for the official
> seedings.
Actually I predict Northern Iowa to break seed at Regionals. While
they are a relatively young team and did get handed a sound defeat by
ISUC on the second day of sectionals, they do have a various bag of
tricks up their sleeves. Their sideline will drive their team when
put to the test as in the case of day 1 against ISUC and day 2 against
South Dakota State. When their intensity is up they will create
unbelievable runs as evidenced in previous tourneys throughout the
year. Look for N. Iowa and Grinnell to not take their seedings
lightly, they will do everything in their power to break the mold.
GOP and Eau Claire are definitely not invincible, in fact I believe
the bottom 5 of regionals will be a general mish mash of teams that
wish to prove themselves.
I really don't think you should be predicting seeds anyway. Wisconsin
isn't that good, expect Carleton to hand it to em, followed by
Minnesota. Nuff said.
Central.R...@gmail.com
>
> Actually I predict Northern Iowa to break seed at Regionals. While
> they are a relatively young team and did get handed a sound defeat by
> ISUC on the second day of sectionals, they do have a various bag of
> tricks up their sleeves. Their sideline will drive their team when
> put to the test as in the case of day 1 against ISUC and day 2 against
> South Dakota State. When their intensity is up they will create
> unbelievable runs as evidenced in previous tourneys throughout the
> year. Look for N. Iowa and Grinnell to not take their seedings
> lightly, they will do everything in their power to break the mold.
> GOP and Eau Claire are definitely not invincible, in fact I believe
> the bottom 5 of regionals will be a general mish mash of teams that
> wish to prove themselves.
I'm not sure whether this is a serious post or not. Pointing to a
victory over South Dakota State as a testament to a program's strength
is fairly rediculous. Similarly, a win over Iowa State isn't so much
an example of how good N. Iowa is but just how bad Iowa State is. N.
Iowa may break seed, I don't think anyone is claiming that Eau Claire
is "invincible" but this thread hasn't been discussing predictions of
a team's performance at Regionals, merely where they should be seeded
based on what they have done so far. And judging by that criteria, N.
Iowa earns a #15 spot.
love...@yahoo.com
argument for putting them behind Iowa State? What is the general
practice in this situation? Do you punish Marquette for Luther's
inablity to beat Iowa State? Or do we punish Luther for not taking
care of business at sectionals? I'm more in favor of putting seedings
as this:
1. Wisconsin
2. Carleton
3. Minnesota
4. Whitewater/Iowa/Winona State
5. Whitewater/Iowa/Winona State
6. Whitewater/Iowa/Winona State
7. Duluth/Marquette
8. Marquette/Duluth
9. Iowa State
10. Luther
Not only does Marquette have a better record against common opponents
when compared to Iowa State, they also have a better record when
compared to Duluth. The way I see it Marquette should be above Iowa
State. If you were to put Iowa State and Luther ahead of Marquette,
you would have to put them ahead of Duluth as well.
MarkSh...@gmail.com
Northern Iowa has the players to pull one surprise this tournament
against an unsuspecting lower half team. They don't have the depth to
string together victories in my mind, but from everything I've seen
the team is headed the right direction and continually improving. Look
for them to be a contender for a top half finish in 1-2 years.
jeri...@juno.com
> victory over South Dakota State as a testament to a program's strength
> is fairly rediculous. Similarly, a win over Iowa State isn't so much
> an example of how good N. Iowa is but just how bad Iowa State is. N.
> Iowa may break seed, I don't think anyone is claiming that Eau Claire
> is "invincible" but this thread hasn't been discussing predictions of
> a team's performance at Regionals, merely where they should be seeded
> based on what they have done so far. And judging by that criteria, N.
> Iowa earns a #15 spot.
I find people who cannot spell correctly to be ridiculous. Truth be
told the only near guarantees for seedings are the top 5 at best, the
rest that follow will be a toss up between 6-9 and 10-16. From the
way you discussed Eau Claire and GOP, you make it sound as if nobody
in the bottom half can beat them, which is somewhat unfair. In fact
your speculations are so off that you should stick to seeding the Top
8 at best, leave the pessimistic observations to yourself sir. Next
time you have your Wisconsin Who? fan club meeting make sure to tell
them everyone hates them.
CUT for the win.
i_hate_hotm...@hotmail.com
> I find people who cannot spell correctly to be ridiculous. Truth be
> told the only near guarantees for seedings are the top 5 at best, the
> rest that follow will be a toss up between 6-9 and 10-16. From the
> way you discussed Eau Claire and GOP, you make it sound as if nobody
> in the bottom half can beat them, which is somewhat unfair. In fact
> your speculations are so off that you should stick to seeding the Top
> 8 at best, leave the pessimistic observations to yourself sir. Next
> time you have your Wisconsin Who? fan club meeting make sure to tell
> them everyone hates them.
>
> CUT for the win.
Oh wow that was a little cutthroat, but overall after reading most of
the posts on seedings so far, I would have to agree that UNI and
Grinnell are not getting the credit they deserve. 1-2 years UNI will
contender for the top half, while Grinnell just needs that oompf to
get over the hump. I've seen some of these bottom half teams play and
I can truly say that Eau Claire has won games through happenstance,
and GOP has some un-worked talent. Overall though tough tournaments
have been played this year.
Another good point is made, expect Carleton to win regionals this
year, Wisconsin has lost some key games earlier and if you get inside
their head the bravado they put out will get smashed.
Becky
as in they should be seeded like 8th? Or talking about not getting the
credit they deserve, as in they should be seeded 13th not 16th?
Becky
UMD #66
claytona...@gmail.com
> > their head the bravado they put out will get smashed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Central.R...@gmail.com
>
> I find people who cannot spell correctly to be ridiculous. Truth be
> told the only near guarantees for seedings are the top 5 at best, the
> rest that follow will be a toss up between 6-9 and 10-16.
I agree, there are no guarantees. What I did was look at each team's
body of work for the season and rank them based on that.
> From the
> way you discussed Eau Claire and GOP, you make it sound as if nobody
> in the bottom half can beat them, which is somewhat unfair.
Please point out where I claimed that nobody in the bottom half could
beat either Eau Claire or GOP, or where I may have implied or alluded
to such a claim.
> In fact
> your speculations are so off that you should stick to seeding the Top
> 8 at best, leave the pessimistic observations to yourself sir.
Criticism is only credible when there is evidence to back it up. Why
exactly are my speculations "so off" and where? I did nothing more
than look at each team's season and rank them based on their
performance to date.
> Next
> time you have your Wisconsin Who? fan club meeting make sure to tell
> them everyone hates them.
>
> CUT for the win.
You may be surprised to learn that I am not a fan of Wisconsin,
although I don't know what gave you that impression to begin with.
Central.R...@gmail.com
>
> Oh wow that was a little cutthroat, but overall after reading most of
> the posts on seedings so far, I would have to agree that UNI and
> Grinnell are not getting the credit they deserve.
Exactly what credit do they deserve? I am not trying to "bash" on
their fledgling programs, congrats to both teams for making
regionals. But I don't see how either could be seeded higher than #15
and #16. How long has it been since either team made regionals, if
ever? How many wins against other teams at regionals does either team
have? How many wins against regional qualifying teams from other
regions does either team have? My only argument is the fact that
based on what they have already done this year, they should not be
seeded above anyone else.
> 1-2 years UNI will
> contender for the top half, while Grinnell just needs that oompf to
> get over the hump. I've seen some of these bottom half teams play and
> I can truly say that Eau Claire has won games through happenstance,
> and GOP has some un-worked talent. Overall though tough tournaments
> have been played this year.
Fantastic. I would love to see all these programs develop. And
again, I'm not making any predictions for who might break seed and
finish 11th at regionals, just saying that all four of the teams you
just mentioned should start out as 4 seeds in their pools.
> Another good point is made, expect Carleton to win regionals this
> year, Wisconsin has lost some key games earlier and if you get inside
> their head the bravado they put out will get smashed.
History stands in Carleton's favor at Regionals to be sure, and
Wisconsin isn't as talented as they were a year ago. The championship
is up for grabs to be sure.
bindm...@gmail.com
> Exactly what credit do they deserve? I am not trying to "bash" on
> their fledgling programs, congrats to both teams for making
> regionals. But I don't see how either could be seeded higher than #15
> and #16. How long has it been since either team made regionals, if
> ever? How many wins against other teams at regionals does either team
> have? How many wins against regional qualifying teams from other
> regions does either team have? My only argument is the fact that
> based on what they have already done this year, they should not be
> seeded above anyone else.
Grinnell made regionals last year for the first time in a while. At
regionals they lost 15-12 after being down 10-2 to St. Olaf (finished
in 5th). Lost 15-13 to Marquette (finished in 6th). Beat Duluth
soundly and Milwaukee on day two to finish in 13th. It was pretty
sweet. I think they have a decent shot at upsetting any team from 8
down and a shot at beating 6-8. With that being said, looking at who
they played and beat this year they should be ranked somewhere from
14-16. It doesn't really matter though because it's the difference
between trying to upset Iowa State or Duluth. So stop this bickering
on where the bottom teams should be ranked, let the players take care
of it on the field and some upsets will happen (good luck Grinnell).
Noah Bindman
Old Squeaky Grinnell Alum
Central.R...@gmail.com
Amen to that.
Tim McNeal
> I can truly say that Eau Claire has won games through happenstance,
Which?
richarda...@gmail.com
1. Wisconsin
2. Minnesota
3. Carleton
4. Luther
5. Whitewater
6. Iowa
7. Winona
8. Marquette
9. Duluth
10. GOP
11. Iowa State
12. Grinnell
13. St. John's
14. Eau Claire
15. Wisconsin-B
16. Northern Iowa
It takes some serious massaging to work out the rule about placement
at (West Plains) sectionals, but it's a pretty good look at how teams
have performed this season and a good starting point for the seeding.
Switch Carleton and Minnesota. Iowa and Iowa State shouldn't be much
higher than Luther. This gives a good case for the bottom 6 to go:
11. St Johns
12. GOP
13. Northern Iowa
14. Grinnell
15. Wisconsin-B
16. Eau Claire
Seeding is pretty arbitrary anyway, especially if they're using a pool-
format (which they should). As long as Wisconsin and Carleton aren't
in the same pool, it's probably pretty close.
chubbard...@yahoo.com
hotmail are saying. Clearly the lower teams like Grinnell and UNI are
getting no love. I'm going to have to give my vote to minnesota for
the dub. They are clearly a CUT above the rest (see what i did there?
what a clever play on words). I geuss i'll have to give second to the
slowdags (waka waka, somebody stop me), yeah Becky knows what i'm
talking about, yea, then CUT to round it out. Anywho good luck to all
teams.
i_hate_hotm...@hotmail.com
speculations for seedings are ridiculous. People are merely trying to
hype up the teams they have a natural bias towards believing will do
well, based on a W-L record that could very well be skewed due to
factors that we don't see. Yes it seems silly that people are
fighting over who will do better at the bottom bracket, but doesn't it
seem just as silly that people are also fighting over the mid-seeds
that clearly don't have a chance to even grace nationals? Seeds are
speculation and numbers and not a true gauge of a team. Shame on you
for posting seeds and giving people's hopes up (Iowa) or destroying
their self esteem (Grinnell/N. Iowa).
Michael Arenson
UM #21
Becky
love you,
becky
BDubs
chubbard...@yahoo.com
and mute with no limbs and wisconsin. Give up.....My grandmother can
still catch a frisbee! OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
I kid I kid
frankf...@gmail.com
frisbee
muffin
i_hate_hotm...@hotmail.com
bracket again. A lot of teams can nearly go undefeated if they would
pick easy tournaments too.
There were two muffins in an oven, one turned to the other and said
"Boy it sure is hot in here" the second muffin said "Holy crap a
talking muffin!"
Jewfro Jeffrey
UM #21
Central.R...@gmail.com
> Bracket playhttp://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=18&id=4422
Ya'll should never doubt me.
jeri...@juno.com
I never doubted your speculations. I was just speculating on whether
you might be wrong or not. Nobody likes to be proven wrong
(Creature), however it's good that we look at information that might
prove us wrong in an effort to strengthen our resolve and will
(Misra). In this manner we don't turn into douchebags (muffin) who
hold onto our beliefs based solely on information that reinforces what
we already know.
God
Chico State
#1
muffin
> I never doubted your speculations. I was just speculating on whether
> you might be wrong or not. Nobody likes to be proven wrong
> (Creature), however it's good that we look at information that might
> prove us wrong in an effort to strengthen our resolve and will
> (Misra). In this manner we don't turn into douchebags (muffin) who
> hold onto our beliefs based solely on information that reinforces what
> we already know.
Yeah, talk some more incomprehensible trash.
Most likely your season will be over after this weekend.
How is that for reinforcing what we already know?
Becky
was secretly taping the Duluth practices, and now those tapes might
come in handy.
John....@gmail.com
practices too, but mistakingly ended up with 5 months worth of film of
the Badgers mens track team.
-/\/\
Jeff B
My picks:
Pre-Quarter Winners:
Wisconsin
Iowa State
Iowa
Whitewater
Minnesota
Winona State
Luther
Carleton
Quarters Winners:
Wisconsin -
Iowa - They beat Whitewater once this year already. This should be a
good game to watch.
Minnesota - I'll probably start the round at this game, but if MN
appears to be blowing out Winona State again I won't stick around for
long.
Carleton - Luther has given CUT good games in the past... but CUT is
just much better.
Semis Winners:
Wisconsin - Another easy game for the Hodags
Minnesota - CUT will probably win this game, but the thought of
another team other than the Hodags and CUT playing for the
championship is refreshing.
Finals:
Wisconsin
2nd place game:
Carleton - Different year, same story.
fink...@grinnell.edu
> On Apr 21, 12:52 pm, benhah...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > These seedings are ridiculous. Do some research, GOP is by far the
> > best non-A team in the country. Wisconsin-B has beaten UMD has beaten
> > GOP twice, GOP crushed Olaf crushed Wisc-B. Those are the only common
> > opponents, but beyond that GOP has the clear edge, and comes from the
> > strongest section in the region, giving us these seedings:
>
> > 1 - Wisconsin
> > 2 - Carleton
> > 3 - Minnesota
> > 4 - Winona State
> > 5 - Whitewater
> > 6 - Iowa
> > 7 - Duluth
> > 8 - Marquette
> > 9 - St. Johns
> > 10 - GOP
> > 11 - Iowa State
> > 12 - Luther
> > 13 - UNI
> > 14 - Grinnell
> > 15 - Wisconsin-B
> > 16 - Eau Claire
>
> I highly doubt that GOP is a 10 seed. No 6th place sectional finisher
> is. Nor is Marquette an 8 seed, that makes me laugh. Northwoods may
> be the deepest section, but it is not so much better that it's last-
> place qualifier should be seeded above the #2 from the West Plains, or
> even the #3 for that matter. You also seeded Wisconsin-B laughingly
> low. I would personally be surprised if either Grinnell or N. Iowa
> win a game, unless it is against each other.
>
>
>
> Allow me to explain my seedings.
>
> 1. Wisconsin
> 2. Carleton
> 3. Minnesota
>
> These first three seem to be a consensus, no need to waste any more
> words here.
>
> 4. ???
>
> This could be one of 3 teams: Winona, Iowa, or Whitewater. I believe
> that Whitewater is the most talented of the three, and has played
> better competition as well. Whitewater has split games with Iowa, and
> Iowa has a +2 point differential in those games. Winona has no head
> to head matchups with either team. Records against common opponents
> (that all 3 teams played) are Winona 3-2, Iowa 1-2, Whitewater 3-2.
> However, Whitewater and Winona both have wins over Oklahoma, whereas
> Iowa got blown out by them at the same tournament where they played
> Whitewater. Given this deeper analysis I'm going to change my own
> previous seedings a bit here, as I no longer think that Iowa's mere +2
> point dif over UWW is good enough to seed them higher. And based on
> the fact that Whitewater has played stronger competition this year and
> has a slightly higher RRI I will give them the 4 seed, with Winona and
> Iowa following accordingly.
>
> 4. Whitewater
> 5. Winona State
> 6. Iowa
>
> 7. ???
>
> I expected Luther to win their section, but they actually fell all the
> way to third. To me Luther not finishing in the top 2 in their
> section is the biggest upset to take place at any sectional this year,
> and makes seedings a bit difficult. I hesitate to put Iowa State
> here, because they're just not that good. In fact I think both
> Marquette and Duluth are probably better teams, but the lower you push
> Iowa State the lower that Luther has to go, and I really feel that
> they are a top 8 team in the region. Perhaps I've overestimated
> them. There are no head-to-head matchups between Iowa State, Duluth,
> or Marquette, so no help there. Common opponents amongst all 3 teams
> gives records of Duluth 1-0, Iowa State 1-1, Marquette 0-1. I would
> give it to Duluth, but their blowout loss to Wisconsin-B gives me
> pause. Still, I think the most logical way to seed is the following:
>
> 7. Duluth
> 8. Iowa State
> 9. Luther
>
> I put Luther at 9 because I feel they are clearly deserve a higher
> seeding than the rest of the field at this point, and I can't see
> slotting anyone inbetween them just yet. Marquette is not as good as
> Luther, nor are they deserving of automatically getting the #10 spot
> without looking at the next team coming out of the Northwoods; St.
> Johns. (Northern Iowa does not enter into the discussion) The first
> thing to notice is that Marquette has the head-to-head win, but on
> universe point that doesn't mean too much. Marquette has a
> significantly higher RRI, which tends to mean better competition, and
> I would tend to agree when I look at their opponents. I would give
> Marquette the nod ahead of St. Johns.
>
> 10. Marquette
> 11. ???
>
> St. Johns or Wisconsin-B? No head-to-head matchup took place.
> Records against common opponents are St. Johns 1-5, Wisconsin-B 1-4.
> No real edge there as it just means that St. Johns played a good team
> one more time than Wisc-B did. This one is tough for me to seed, but
> based on the fact that WiscB destroyed Duluth the one time they
> played, and that St. Johns is 0-3 against Duluth, I give the edge to
> Wisc-B. I also think that St. Johns has had a significantly better
> season than Eau Claire to warrant them the automatic 12 seed after the
> Pimpdags.
>
> 11. Wisconsin-B
> 12. St. Johns
> 13. ???
>
> Here we must compare GOP against Eau Claire. No head-to-head, common
> opponent records of 2-0 and 3-0 respectively, which is not much help
> as they both proved they can crush the same two awful teams.
> Truthfully there isn't much to go on, but I will give the nod to GOP
> based on a stronger history of regionals presence, and the Northwoods
> history of generally out-performing the Lake Superior section at
> regionals.
>
> 13. GOP
> 14. Eau Claire
> 15. Northern Iowa
> 16. Grinnell.
>
> There it is, and it has changed a bit from my original post after
> doing a bit more in depth research of everyone's seasons. I dropped
> Iowa to #6 and moved Whitewater and Winona up a slot. Duluth jumped
> up to spots to #7 and bumped Iowa State and Luther down one each,
> which I think is much more accurate. Marquette, Wisc-B, and St. Johns
> didn't change. Eau Claire and GOP flipped, and those two are really a
> toss up anyway. N. Iowa and Grinnell stay put, along with our
> consensus top 3 teams.
>
> I expect things to look very similar to this for the official
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I saw your "underrated" pimpdags get their shit stomped by Grinnell's
b-line...I don't know how that makes you feel. Hopefully its a
precurser to how Hodag will play next year.
La Maldad
> I saw your "underrated" pimpdags get their shit stomped by Grinnell's
> b-line...I don't know how that makes you feel. Hopefully its a
> precurser to how Hodag will play next year.
Riiiight, a Grinnell student talking trash about the Wisconsin
program. That deserves a hearty belly laugh.
Hh
ultimatep...@gmail.com
> Riiiight, a Grinnell student talking trash about the Wisconsin
> program. That deserves a hearty belly laugh.
>
> Hh
But you acknowledged the heckle.
Grinnell 1, Hh 0.
La Maldad
I always acknowledge the heckle. Only those with no head game get
affected.
Hh
richarda...@gmail.com
> b-line...I don't know how that makes you feel. Hopefully its a
> precurser to how Hodag will play next year.
Good call. Some people forget that B teams tend to be significantly
worse than A teams and shouldn't be seeded 11th in any region ever no
matter how good the A team is. The belly laugh should be directed at
the guy who got confused about that.
Drew
Yeah, I agree. Maybe if that B team ever finished in the top 8 at
regionals then they could be considered for such a seed. Oh wait,
didn't the Pimpdags finish 7th last year at CN regionals? Hmmmmmm. I
guess maybe they should be assessed for seed just like any other team
would be.
Drew