WORLDS UPDATES
Nirvana
a 14-13 squeaker (OPEN)
USA is pwning in all divisions save Junior Women, where the US goes
down to Colombia (!!!) 15-11.
-Jeremy
Check out all live updates here:
http://www.wugc2008.com/schedule/div/open
Leonardo
Anyone who saw Colombia at Junior Worlds 2006 knows they have
something going on. Same with Venezuela, who didn't make it to Junior
Worlds (visas took forever, money was hard to come by, etc) but from
talking to Churchin and the leaders of the Colombia Juniors team who
play Venezuela often, you knew these countries were serious about the
sport.
There is no reason why these teams cant seriously mix it up with GBR,
AUS and GER in the open division, its a shame the pools are so screwy
and venezuela and colombia are in the same pool to start (! how did
that happen !) and i think they could beat some of the aging
scandinavian teams.
my bet is Colombia beats Germany and GBR in open and Venezuela gives
GBR a game. Should be interesting.
Also for Junior women, Colombia over USA is, indeed, quite surprising.
As is Australia over Canada, in my opinion. in juniors open, colombia
could possibly win the tournamet?! that would be remarkable. If that
happens, they must have recruited just enough height to stop the US
and Canadian huck onslaught
Nirvana
Junior Women. Unfortunately for your predictions Great Britain just
beat Columbia in open 11-7 soft cap.
Jeremy
seanc
in more open-ocentric news, the US beat the Netherlands 17-4 and
Finland 17-6. Japan beat Mexico 17-2, and the Netherlands by the same
score as the US, 17-4. US and Japan meet tuesday at 3:30 in the
afternoon...
BlockStack.TV
well. Columbia have tons of energy but possibly not so much of an
understanding of the rules. There was a bit of drama.
Don't forget to check out some entertaining behind the scenes stuff at
blockstack.tv and stuff from ultivillage.com
joad...@ec.rr.com
> GB beat Columbia 11-7 but it was a tough match and a bit scrappy as
> well. Columbia have tons of energy but possibly not so much of an
> understanding of the rules. There was a bit of drama.
uhm, drama that probably avoided with impartial 3rd party arbitration.
when ya gonna learn wfdf
winter...@hotmail.com
seriously. will there be a repeat of the "worst, cheatingist final
ever" 11 years after it went down? sockeye vs. jam, club worlds final
right there in vancouver?
wfdf won't even use observers - it's not an option.
Frank Huguenard
Jam?
Sockeye?
Who knew?
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Handy
The major problem in this case isn't refs, it's that people playin the
game don't even know the rules! There's no one in the NFL, NBA,
etc... or at any college level (or even the high school level?) or
possibly any other "organized" sport where people don't bother to
learn the rules to the sport they spend hours training and playing in.
That crap is completely ridiculous. Don't waste your money unless
you're going to spend the time to learn to play.
-Handy
Frank Huguenard
rules" that contradict the actual rules.
"Handy" <Xck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jon "rB" Bauman
In what way to the 10 simple rules contradict the full 11th edition? I
just read over it and I noticed a couple inconsistencies that should
be remedied:
"Each point begins with both teams lining up on the front of their
respective end zone line."
Technically the pulling team has to remain behind the line and can
move around.
"The person with the disc ("thrower") has ten seconds to throw the
disc."
It's actually 9 + however quickly you can say "stalling".
"A foul occurs when contact is made."
This is an oversimplification, but this is a radically abbreviated
version of the rules.
This document could probably be improved a bit, but I think it's
mostly correct and serves it's purpose as a quick introduction to the
basic tenets of the game for a brand new player.
Frank Huguenard
true.
It states that picks are prohibited. This also is not true (picks are
prohibited when the offensive player is within 3 meters of the defender).
Lastly (and I know that this is a stale old argument) it says that Ultimate
is a non-contact sport. Patently untrue.
"Jon "rB" Bauman" <bau...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pete
> game don't even know the rules! There's no one in the NFL, NBA,
> etc... or at any college level (or even the high school level?) or
> possibly any other "organized" sport where people don't bother to
> learn the rules to the sport they spend hours training and playing in.
>
> That crap is completely ridiculous. Don't waste your money unless
> you're going to spend the time to learn to play.
So true. I think part of this has to be the lack of incentives to
learn the rules.
There are basically no penalties for breaking "rules" in ultimate,
most conflict situations end in a do-over anyway, so why bother
learning the rules? There's really no reason to.
Frank Huguenard
believes is against the rules and isn't and there is no penalty for this
either and nothing the opposing team can do about it.
"pete" <schuh...@uncw.edu> wrote in message
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Handy
<fhuguenard(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The worst "rule" that is broken is when a player makes a call that he
> believes is against the rules and isn't and there is no penalty for this
> either and nothing the opposing team can do about it.
>
>
> news:69edbdbc-ea4f-4895...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> The major problem in this case isn't refs, it's that people playin the
> >> game don't even know the rules! There's no one in the NFL, NBA,
> >> etc... or at any college level (or even the high school level?) or
> >> possibly any other "organized" sport where people don't bother to
> >> learn the rules to the sport they spend hours training and playing in.
>
> >> That crap is completely ridiculous. Don't waste your money unless
> >> you're going to spend the time to learn to play.
>
> > So true. I think part of this has to be the lack of incentives to
> > learn the rules.
>
> > There are basically no penalties for breaking "rules" in ultimate,
> > most conflict situations end in a do-over anyway, so why bother
> > learning the rules? There's really no reason to.
Frank, *takes deep breath*, you are completely right (about this).
-Handy
jacob
MD
> It states that it is illegal to run with the disc. This is simply not
> true.
>
> It states that picks are prohibited. This also is not true (picks are
> prohibited when the offensive player is within 3 meters of the defender).
>
> Lastly (and I know that this is a stale old argument) it says that Ultimate
> is a non-contact sport. Patently untrue.
>
Thread hijacking at its finest.
Shy
noticed Japan's Junior Women's Team...look at those stats thus far,
http://www.wugc2008.com/team/306
Highlights include:
Yumi Amada with 14 goals and 3 assists in 3 and a third games,
interesting...
Frank Huguenard
diverted the discussion to talk about cheaters, players self-reffing a game
that they don't even know the rules to, etc.
"MD" <posti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Frank Huguenard
An assist should be awarded (like basketball) to the player who threw to the
player putting up the shot. If you want to differentiate between thrower
and receiver, then count the receiver as 'goals' and the thrower as
'scores'.
Where are:
number of throws
number of turnovers
throwing percentage
number of blocks
number of minutes played (or points played)
number of fouls
I'd hate to be accused of thread jacking here but after all, we are talking
about the ever important topic of WORLDs. As in, this is the so called
world championships and the best, the very best they have to offer us with
regards to 'meaningful' statistics is goals and throws for goals?
What a complete joke this sport is.
"Shy" <daniel...@pitzer.edu> wrote in message
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sra...@gmail.com
<fhuguenard(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
...
>
> I'd hate to be accused of thread jacking here but after all, we are talking
> about the ever important topic of WORLDs.
Frank. The thread is called Worlds *Updates*. As in scores, write-ups
and anecdotes from worlds. Not rants about how ultimate is not the
game you want it to be.
If you want to keep blathering create a thread titled "Frank bitching
about ultimate" and spew hate to your hearts content.
In the meantime, shut your hole.
MrP...@gmail.com
<fhuguenard(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Again, if you go back through this thread, it was Handy and others who
> diverted the discussion to talk about cheaters, players self-reffing a game
> that they don't even know the rules to, etc.
Yup. You and UC are like mob bosses, man. Every time a crime goes
down it was somebody else that pulled the trigger, but somehow you two
always end up getting caught loitering around the scene of the crime.
A serious of unfortunate coincidences, I'll wager.
~p
pointing fingers to distract from his own guilt. BTW, what's the line
on the US-Japan contest tomorrow?
Frank Huguenard
That your heart is filled with hate when you react to my posts is more about
you than it is about me, isn't it?
I'm hell-bent on improving Ultimate. What are you doing to make the game
better?
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MrP...@gmail.com
<fhuguenard(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Where are:
>
> number of throws
> number of turnovers
> throwing percentage
> number of blocks
> number of minutes played (or points played)
> number of fouls
>
> I'd hate to be accused of thread jacking here but after all, we are talking
> about the ever important topic of WORLDs. As in, this is the so called
> world championships and the best, the very best they have to offer us with
> regards to 'meaningful' statistics is goals and throws for goals?
>
> What a complete joke this sport is.
What a joke your logic is if you think that your premise entails your
conclusion (If I run a basketball tourney and keep shitty stats, does
that make basketball suck?), but I agree at least with the premise.
Hockey has precedent for counting two passes back and that makes some
sense here too.
More importantly, turn-over numbers are significantly more useful when
touches are included as well. Handlers will probably have a higher
absolute number but a lower percentage... Counting D's is great cuz
D's are cool, but the stat doesn't really say much since it's so
dependent. Was it just a really bad throw that was right to a
defender? How can one guy get a D when his whole team had to be
locked down in order for the throw to go his way? And so on.
While we're at it: Line of scrimmage is the 50. Quarterback drops
back to his 40 and hits a receiver at the opponents 45. Receiver gets
wrapped up but his defender loses footing and fails to secure the
tackle. Receiver traipses 45 yards for the score. QB threw the ball
15 yards, if the defender does his job, the scorekeepers say 5 yard
pass. As it happens, he and his receiver both get credit for a 50
yard pass, but we were watching the game and saw no such thing.
Defender might get marked for a missed tackle, but the only stat that
makes SC when his contract comes up is tackles made, not tackles
missed (I hope GM's pay more attention to the fine print on the stat
sheet though). QB and WR should get credit for the 5 yards in the
air, defender should get charged for an error (a la baseball). But
what credit for the 45 yard run? No error means no 45 yard run so
"unearned?" On the other and, the wide out probably did earn it by
blowing by a linebacker and jukeing a safety. Give him credit from
the first move he makes to avoid a tackle by a non-erring defender?
How do you possibly do that consistently. Oh wells. Football's a
joke anyway.
Still, something is better than nothing and it's cool to see who's
scoring. =)
~p
Bill Mill
I wouldn't give you more than even money.
-Bill Mill
AA
> Defender might get marked for a missed tackle, but the only stat that
> makes SC when his contract comes up is tackles made, not tackles
> missed (I hope GM's pay more attention to the fine print on the stat
> sheet though). QB and WR should get credit for the 5 yards in the
> air, defender should get charged for an error (a la baseball). But
> what credit for the 45 yard run? No error means no 45 yard run so
> "unearned?"
YAC = yards after contact
ultimatep...@gmail.com
USA mixed vs. austraila, at 4-2
scott causey pulls then
gets the goal line D then
throws the score on a break.
the usa canada game, if or when
it occurs should be a good one.
stout.m...@gmail.com
Venezuela vs Colombia open. In the mixed game Japan had control all
the way through, taking a 15-11ish lead towards the end before Team
Fisher Price came back to tie it at 15s, only to go back down 16-15.
Then TFP ties it to send the game to universe point with Japan
receiving. On the first throw to a cutter Kevin Cheung of TFP goes
chest high for the HUGE d to give possession to Canada which they
punch in for the win. Best game of Worlds so far I'd say.
Colombia vs Venezuela open ended up with Venezuela down 13-10 in a
game to 14 only to score the last four points in a row to take it
14-13 over Colombia. Give the South American juniors some time to
come through the system and it will be interesting to see those teams
stack up against the rest.
Joa'quine (Joaq)
You're going to destroy all of South America before they have a
chance, right Boy? That or you'll poison them with you're 'just huck
that shit' mentality. Embrace small ball Michael!
Darren Schiminski
Cruikshank playing for Team Canada? Is he injured?
Darren
T1000
No, he's just not playing this year. Rumour has it he is retiring,
like Al Nichols.
James.M...@gmail.com
In the words of #44: "He grew up. Finally."
ultimatep...@gmail.com
> You're going to destroy all of South America before they have a
> chance, right Boy? That or you'll poison them with you're 'just huck
> that shit' mentality. Embrace small ball Michael!
can someone explain to me the use of "Boy" here? why does
toad choose to use it? is it common usage in his area?
not that his "you're" indicates any understanding of usage.
Ryan Thompson
broken - if WFDF does head-to-head, USA should be #4, not #1, and if
it's purely point dif, they should be #3. The pools should be:
Japan
Colombia
Australia
USA
Canada
Finland
UK
Or possibly with USA and Australia switched. Currently it's way
different on the website.
Also, that was Joaq, not Toad.
stout.m...@gmail.com
game. On Japan's first O point they try a huck off the brick and he
sky/lay out D's it huge in the end zone. Later he had two throws that
most players wouldn't consider throwing during summer league, much
less for the one seed in the pool, including an IO flick laser huck
from the right sideline to the back left corner. Just nasty.
Both Colombia and Venezuela make the second power pool despite coming
in as the 15 and 16 seeds, it'll be an exciting next few days.
Colt
Multiple divisions have their power pools wrong.
Earlier, they had Fury players getting stats from a Furious game.
They probably will have it fixed tonight. They've been good like that.
Colt
mistake I was talking about. It will be GB and Aus, instead. Seeds
held.
Colt
> Both Colombia and Venezuela make the second power pool despite coming
> in as the 15 and 16 seeds, it'll be an exciting next few days.
My bad, you did say second power pools... and I was just thinking
about the first, which they were in improperly. 1-6 stayed the same,
but after that...
You were right.
Sorry
Joa'quine (Joaq)
Why do you think I'm toad? And why did you replace '"Joa'quine
(Joaq)" <joaq...@gmail.com> wrote:' with toad?
I was simply heckling Mr Michael Stout, who wrote the post about the
South American teams. You see, Michael is called 'Boy' by some due to
him being the youngest of the Stouts, and his three older siblings
calling him 'Boy' or 'The Boy.' So, Michael 'Boy' Stout said 'Give
the South American juniors some time to come through the system and it
will be interesting to see those teams stack up against the rest. '
As a heckle I said '[You are] going to destroy all of South America
before they have a chance, right [Michael]?' This is a heckle because
Michael 'Balco' Stout is going to South America to play ultimate on
his Watson Fellowship.
MrP...@gmail.com
> > chance, right Boy? That or you'll poison them with you're 'just huck
> > that shit' mentality. Embrace small ball Michael!
>
> can someone explain to me the use of "Boy" here? why does
> toad choose to use it? is it common usage in his area?
I assume you're joking, but for those from non-southern backgrounds
who have never like seen a movie or something, "boy" is one of those
words that the "wrong kind of white people" use when addressing black
people.
For more on the wrong kind of white people, see: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/.
Whether Toad is or isn't one of the wrong kind is left as an exercise
for the reader.
~p
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> Also, that was Joaq, not Toad.
yea.........you kook (which is a word we use in my area to discribe
dumbfucks like you)
joad...@ec.rr.com
> I assume you're joking, but for those from non-southern backgrounds
> who have never like seen a movie or something, "boy" is one of those
> words that the "wrong kind of white people" use when addressing black
> people.
not to be confused with the same exact word used by black people
addressing each other.
Joa'quine (Joaq)
I'm usually a fan of your stuff ~p but I think you're reaching here.
Especially considering your apparent lack of reading my explanation.
Then again, maybe you think I'm the "wrong kind of white [person]".
Drew
and funnier you are than everyone else. I want to hear about Worlds
(and possibly how much better looking you are than everyone else. Oh,
the curls…)
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
he was just being a hater because he thought it was me. so now you
can see how i think he is a total prick
MrP...@gmail.com
> Especially considering your apparent lack of reading my explanation.
> Then again, maybe you think I'm the "wrong kind of white [person]".
I wasn't being serious. I did read (and was down with) the
explanation. I was really just in it for the swpl linking
opportunity. Sorry for any offense...
~p
Neva Cherniavsky
stout.m...@gmail.com
could count on their height advantage the USA used the ill-advised
tactic of just ripping a bunch of fifty-fifty discs, which they did
not come down with even close to fifty percent of the time. The
Japanese excell at using positioning on deep D's, but it also seemd as
though the USA players were so worried about getting skied by the
Japanese players that they would always jump too early. Japan takes
half 9-2!! USA makes a strong comeback in the end of the game to get
within three, but it's too little too late as the Japanese mixed are
too disciplined and finish them off.
Another great game was Japan open vs Great Britain. After
underperforming against Australia in pool play, Britain looks like
they are going to take down Japan, up 14-12 in a game capped at 16,
but the Japanese come storming back to steal one 16-15 and avoid pre-
quarters. The Brits are going to be thinking about that one for a
while.
The final game of the day, USA vs Australia open was a doozie. The
final score of 17-11 does no justice to how close this game was. The
USA only managed one break in the entire first half, and Australia
scored off the second half pull to make it 9-8 USA before the states
sored 8 of the last 11 points for the win. The story was the Sockeye
offense, only 2 turns the entire game, and the Dingo's D did not take
advantage at all. After the first turnover they had the disc on their
own goal line and immediately tried a full-field huck against Alex
Nord. Somebody hasn't been studying their ultivillage footage, that
got D'd and Sockeye converted. The second and last Sockeye O line
turnover was in the second half when Ben Wiggins hucked to an open
Mike Caldwell on a deep cut that he had unfortunately cut off into an
under cut, but instead of standing their confused and angry like a lot
of handlers Wiggins sprinted down the length of the field and run
through catch d'd the Australians first throw off the turnover. So
that was it for the Dingo's break opportunities.
Anyone who watched the game though would be amazed at the Aussie
athleticism. Very fast, tall, and strong. Whoever number 7 for them
is (Mike Nield? something like that?) was blowing up that game. A
huge layout on a throw to Nord that would have been a break caused
Nord to drop it, and he was scoring and throwing scores seemingly at
will early in the game. A lot of talent there, it's too bad that the
game kinda got blown open in the end, but the Dingos earned the
respect of everyone with their performance. There wasn't even a
turnover in the game I think until the score was something like 5-5
and sockeye ended up breaking to go up 7-5.
jacob
Frankie
> The story was the Sockeye offense, only 2 turns the entire game,
And 50 traveling violations. Come on Michael, that's 52 turnovers in my
book.
Cheat to win baby.
Jeff
wrote:
> > �The story was the Sockeye offense, only 2 turns the entire game,
>
> And 50 traveling violations. �Come on Michael, that's 52 turnovers in my
> book.
>
> Cheat to win baby.
bump
Jed
> Most games have been blowouts so far, except Germany over Venezuela in
> a 14-13 squeaker (OPEN)
>
> USA is pwning in all divisions save Junior Women, where the US goes
> down to Colombia (!!!) 15-11.
>
> -Jeremy
>
> Check out all live updates here:http://www.wugc2008.com/schedule/div/open
bump
Jed
16-11!
Looks like Canada's in the final for Masters as well - up 15-5 on
Australia right now.
Jed
16-11!
Looks like Canada's in the final for Masters as well - up 16-5 on
Australia right now.
Jed
Jed
Jed
Jed
OK - so I guess when it tells me there was an error, I should just
wait and see if it posted. Lesson learned.
jacob
16-11!"
which division is this?
Jed
mixed
stout.m...@gmail.com
both open semis.
USA and Team Fisher Price were tied at 4s before any big changes
happened. Then USA started rolling. They got a break to go up 5-4,
then A-Ron starts working. USA throws zone and TFP tries to throw a
cross field blade backhand but A-Ron sniffed it out and broke early,
skying huge for the D and USA punches it in to go up 6-4. Then on the
very next point A-Ron sprints down on the pull and goes flying chest
high and d's the first throw off the pull. USA up 7-4 and rolling, A-
Ron is killing it. And then, for some unknown reason, they didn't
play A-Ron the rest of the game. I shit you not. Maybe he snuck in
for a point somewhere, but for some reason he never got back in, and I
don't understand it for the life of me. Moving on, TFP manages to get
a couple breaks back (perhaps due to the absence of A-Ron?) and USA
takes half 9-8. TFP gets a break on the opening pull and we're square
at 9s. It gets to be 11-10 USA and TFP is on offense but turns it
over. Then came the play of the game, and certainly the turning point
in the game. With USA up one they put up a breakmark backhand huck
for a for sure score and a two point lead but Kira from TFP sprints it
all the way down and lays out monstrous, I'm talking HUGE layout for
the game saving D. TFP then ties it at 11. What a play, that had the
fans on their feet. USA on offense, both teams turn it multiple times
until a big TFP blade flick huck gets toed in in the back of the end
zone, incredible play, TFP takes the lead. (Where the fuck is A-Ron?
What the hell is happening, why is he not on the field?!?!?) USA turns
it again, huge huck goes up, 13-11 TFP. USA throws it away again,
Brendo from TFP comes down with a big sky, 14-11 TFP. (Paging A-Ron,
why have your captains not put you in? Anyone?) Next point the USA o-
line turns it twice and TFP goes up 15-11. By this point I'm not the
only one wondering why A-Ron's not playing, the entire USA cheering
section is chanting "A-Ron! A-Ron! A-Ron!" but to no avail. USA turns
it on a dump, Kira throws an IO flick break for the score, game over
16-11.
Open semis: Canada vs Great Britain. Britain scores first on their o-
possession on big huck and sky, Canada answers right back. But for
some reason, I'm sure he had one I just don't know what it was, the
Canada player who scored turns and spikes it right on his defender and
then gets right in his face and starts screaming at him, like really
freaking out, and yells at him all the way off the field and on the
sideline. I don't know what happened, but it was a really
disappointing way to start the game and prompted many boos from the
crowd. This game was never really a contest, GB just slowly got
pounded, it might have been 14-4 at some point or something, I left to
go to the other side of the fields to watch the USA vs Japan game.
And what a game it was. USA vs Japan, open semis. DISCLAIMER: This
recap is tainted with my bias as a spectator, but hey, I call it how I
see it. USA and Japan trade early breaks, it's tied at 3s. USA
scores, then Japan equalizes on a big huck with one of the hugest
layouts I've ever seen. The disc was coming in high and blady so the
Japanese guy had to attack it high and went so big he actually landed
coming down on his chest and face. Just filthy. Next Japan o-
possession they turn it twice but USA can't convert, we're tied at
5s. USA turns it on their o-point, Japan puts an around backhand
break for the for sure score but a spectacular lay out D by Tim Gehret
saves the break. He had an amazing game all around. USA takes half
7-6. (game was shortened slightly due to previous games running
long). Receiving after half Japan turns it within 10 yards of their
own end zone, but Sockeye turns it right back. Then #12 for Japan,
who one Sockeye player described as a "Japanese Cruickshank" and has a
monstrous flick huck (the whole game every time he touched it the USA
sideline would scream "no big flick!! no big flick!!") well this dude
gets it on an upline cut and despite being force backhand he steps
through the mark and launches a full field IO flick huck which the O
and D players both go up for and miss only to have a second Japan
receiver come sliding in to catch it for the score. The fans go
wild. Japan is officially my favorite team at worlds now. They are
utterly fearless, ripping hucks from anywhere to anywhere and to
anyone, regardless of the matchup. As a fan you couldn't dream of
anything else, they are just nasty. USA works it in, then Japan on
another full field huck by #12, this time a backhand, even it at 8s.
God I love this team. Finally an exciting play comes from USA, Tim
Gehret rips a half field hammer over the zone into the back corner.
So far with the exception of Seth Wiggins, who's always balling, and
Tim Gehret, team USA has been kinda boring to watch. Effective, but
boring. Japan down 9-8 finally turns it on another beautiful full
field huck that doinks off the hand, you know that one was
frustrating. USA coming down the field gets halfway down and then
looks off Nord open by at least 20 yards deep and then eventually
turns it on a dump. Probably should have hucked it instead of playing
like a limp dicked coward. Japan turns it right back on a
miscommunication and Seth Wiggins then saves a turnover with and
awesome full extension chest high bid on a swing, USA works it in to
go up 10-8. Next possession Japan player lays out for a tipped disc
and snags it but lands on the out of bounds line, USA breaks up 11-8.
Japan scores their O but needs a break. They have a chance when Chase
rips a ballsy 2/3 field hammer that floats too much and gets d'd.
Japan hucks for the break but Chase comes off a poach and runs past
both the O and D players and lays out for the d, hurting his already
injured ribs from the pool play USA vs Japan game. (I'm just guessing
the injury was ribs, that's what it looked like.) He must have known
it would hurt laying out for the D, but he did it for the same reason
he ripped the hammer: Chase is a huge fucking baller. USA gets the
disc back and, what the hell! Can I believe what I'm seeing?!?! They
hucked it! To a wide open guy! Oh, but he doinks it, off the hand,
Japan disc. They work it up the field and throw a sweet around blace
cross field flick for the break, we're at 11-10! But what's this?
Travel called. I cup my hands around my mouth to make my booing
louder and more audible to everyone in earshot, many join me in the
booing. Japan turns it on the dump, USA scores to go up 12-9. The
scorekeeper shouts the score update to us on the hill "USA 12, Japan
9" to which some disgruntled fan yells back "it should have been
11-10!!!" I wasn't watching the dude's pivot foot, I don't know if it
was technically a travel or not, but the fans are angry. USA breaks
on the next point to make it 13-9, and it's a game to 14. Looking
grim for Japan. Not to be deterred, Japan receives and rips another
full field huck which is caught just short of the goal line, the Japan
player is isolated on Chase, the throw goes up to the sideline, both
players lay out HUGE and the Japan player comes down with it inches
from the sideline!! The fans go absolutely wild!! But what's this?
Travel called on the original huck. Now the boos are cascading from
the crowd, this is not what the fans came to see. The players talk it
over, and the travel call is rescinded! (So why the fuck was it called
in the first place?!?!? Why doesn't WFDF rules allow observers!! WTF
is going on here!?!?!?) But the continuation means they have to check
the disc from where the guy caught the huck, and the amazing lay out
score is nullified. Japan ends up turning it. However, the disc
doesn't lie and Japan's superstar #10 comes straight in full speed on
an in cut and gets a positively filthy lay out D, one of those ones so
huge that you D it a couple feet past the cutter coming in and then
slide another 6 or so feet, it was awesome. They iso their cutter in
the end zone on Chase, awfully ambitious, the throw is squeezed in,
Chase lays out, it doinks off the Japan player's chest and a teammate
catches it behind him. That was exciting, fans go wild. Last point
of the game Tim Gehret continues his marvelous play and rips a full
field backhand to a wide open deep cut (finally!) game over 14-10.
Incredibly exciting, the Japanese are an absolute thrill to watch.
Sockeye was impressive, with stifling defense, but just not even close
to as exciting as the Japanese.
On a side note, you have to feel for the Colombian junior women. This
is the first time they'd ever fielded a junior women's team, and in
pool play they upset both USA and Australia, yet in semis against
Australia they were up 15-13 in a game to 16 and lost 16-15, then in
the bronze medal game they were up 12-8 against USA game to 13 and
lost 13-12. Ouch, played their hearts out, but two gutwrenching
losses to end the tournament. They'll be back though.
Finals tomorrow, it's going to be tiiiiiiiiiiight.
Frankie
the tournament, basically win this game by calling two flimsy travels.
Screw this shit. Why do you guys even bother using cones?
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> How bad does it suck that Sockeye, who commits more travels than anyone in
> the tournament, basically win this game by calling two flimsy travels.
>
> Screw this shit. Why do you guys even bother using cones?
>
frankie, who did you win a college national title with?
Korean_Ian
Sounds like it was as exciting as the Dream Cup final.
joad...@ec.rr.com
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> How bad does it suck that Sockeye, who commits more travels than anyone in
> the tournament, basically win this game by calling two flimsy travels.
>
> Screw this shit. Why do you guys even bother using cones?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
port a fields at WORLDS??????? you GOT to be fucking kidding me. And
it is quite ironic that sockey used bail out travel calls to tip the
scales of "fair play" in their favor (could it be the ghost of steve
dugan fuckin the japs once again in worlds semis). How noone sees
this as a problem that could be easily resolved by refs, refservers or
even observers just blows my mind. Take a hint people......those
boooo's were directed towards the player ref(s) that made those shitty
calls.......so just how do you think an active ref would be
disciplined for making such suckie, game changing
calls.......termination or at least probation i would think. Maybe
the caller of the two bogus travel calls should have to sit for the
finals.
oh ultimate.....when will you learn!
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> > oh ultimate.....when will you learn!- Hide quoted text -
joad...@ec.rr.com
this shoud do it....
> > > oh ultimate.....when will you learn.
there
Frankie
would have done well.
We beat Windy City on their own turf and they went on to win the Men's Open
national title.
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Frankie
BuzzBullets still get screwed over even if the Observers over rule the
traveling calls or worse yet, the calls don't get overturned because the BB
player actually shuffled his feet 6 inches while Sockeye players dance a jig
everytime they get the disc but the BBs don't bother calling it for whatever
reason. If they did, the game would screech to a halt.
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> And to add, in NO WAY do observers help the above situation.
well its better than nothing. isnt an overruled travel call a
completion......and if it were for a goal, wouldnt it still
count.....wasnt that one of the soc/bb senerios?
but yea......refzervers are the bare minimum in which the call is at
least active. next they just got to grow some balls and make it a
turn when violated.
Frankie
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> And to add, in NO WAY do observers help the above situation.
>>well its better than nothing. isnt an overruled travel call a
completion......and if it were for a goal, wouldnt it still
count.....wasnt that one of the soc/bb senerios?
It was my understanding that the scores were indirect, in other words the
throw to the 'assist' [such a stupid description of throwing a score, Did
Joe Montana get an 'assist' when he threw a touchdown to Jerry Ric? fricken
idiots but I digress] was where the traveling call was, not the actual score
itself. The play stops, defense sets up, gets to rest, etc. Advantage
cheaters.
-but yea......refzervers are the bare minimum in which the call is at
least active. next they just got to grow some balls and make it a
turn when violated.
Something other than having it end like it did. Pretty fucking meaningless.
30 years of this crap.
Douglas T Lilley
Wow. Great writeup, thanks!.
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> Travel called. I cup my hands around my mouth to make my booing
> louder and more audible to everyone in earshot, many join me in the
> was technically a travel or not
then why did you start booing? if it was a travel should the marker
be ashamed to have called it?
> Japan receives and rips another
> full field huck which is caught just short of the goal line, the Japan
> player is isolated on Chase, the throw goes up to the sideline, both
> players lay out HUGE and the Japan player comes down with it inches
> from the sideline!! The fans go absolutely wild!! But what's this?
> Travel called on the original huck. Now the boos are cascading from
> the crowd, this is not what the fans came to see.
Were they booing the travel? I've never seen/heard that!
> The players talk it
> over, and the travel call is rescinded! (So why the fuck was it called
> in the first place?!?!?
Was it because the marker made a correct call but backed down b/c of
pressure from the fans?
Did he make a bad call, thought it over, and in a most rare occurence
of grace and humility despite being in the midst of one of the most
competitive moments imaginable in our sport, was willing to admit it?
If you get a chance to find out the answer please let us know!
> the continuation means they have to check
> the disc from where the guy caught the huck, and the amazing lay out
> score is nullified. Japan ends up turning it. However, the disc
> doesn't lie and Japan's superstar #10 comes straight in full speed on
> an in cut and gets a positively filthy lay out D,
awesome, the disc doesn't lie. that means the first travel call was a
good one! after the game did you apologize to the marker for starting
everyone booing at him?
seriously though, apart from teasing you on this thanks for the write
up, it was fun to read, i look forward to your recap from finals.
jacob
virtually impossible to pivot in grass without moving your pivot foot
a little. This is why most travel calls get booed, and why most
honorable players rarely call travels-not because travel calls are
incorrect calls, but because the rules are not drafted to allow for
human beings to pivot normally, and 99% of us know this.
dgw...@gmail.com
throughout the game from the fish but amazingly insane D as well.
Fewer turns and more patience with the disc win it for the red and
white. Great decisions with the disc and waiting for the open man
really won it for Furious.
Frankie
Easily over ONE HUNDRED traveling violations.
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races out to a 6-0 lead before Japan stops the bleeding. Canada
answers back with a big crossfield hammer to the end zone which the
receiver jumps for and tips with one hand before laying out and
catching it with one hand. 7-1. Japan ends up scoring a Callahan to
get a point back, it's 9-3 at half. Canada keeps the pressure on in
the scond half until it's 16-8, game point. A deep pull pins Japan
back and their throw is tipped and Kevin Cheung lays out and snags it
for the game winning Callahan. That's how you end a game in style.
Finals, Canada/Furious vs USA/Sockeye. Starts off badly for USA, a
miscommunication throwaway and Canada breaks on a huck to Lugsdin and
punch in to Oscar. USA answers back with a huck from B Wiggins to
Nord and flow into the end zone. Canada comes back with a big huck of
their own to go back up 2-1. The fans roar with delight, we're
getting the hucks we want. Weather starts turning sour, rain
imminent. Pull goes OB at half field, USA scores in two throws off
the brick. Next possession the two teams trade turns and Canada puts
it in. USA needs to value these turns because breaks are going to
prove hard to come by. With USA down 3-2 an IO flick huck is inches
long of the diving receiver, and Canada puts it in on a nasty 30 yard
IO backhand break. USA turns it on a dump their next possession,
Canada gets its third break to go up 5-2. This is not what we're used
to seeing out of Sockeye. USA throws it away again, but Canada drops
the first swing off the turn, USA makes it 5-3. Furious answers with
a big huck to Mike Grant in the back corner of the end zone. Mike
Grant's dominance was the story in this game, the USA never had an
answer for him. He dominated the game on offense in every respect, I
don't see how you could have watched this game and not declare him the
best player in the world. On USA possession Moses toes in a big huck
but his foot clips the line, and he acknowledges turnover, great
spirit. Furious then throws it away on the first throw. USA tries to
flow but Oscar lays out HUGE over the shoulder on an upline cut for a
filthy, filthy D. But they turn it back and USA converts, 6-4.
Canada scores, and B Wiggins rips a huck to the goal line to Mike
Caldwell, Sockeye ends up putting it in on a great around backhand
break by Chase, 7-5. Canada quickly flows in, and USA answers with a
B Wiggins goal line to end zone massive flick huck, 8-6. Canada takes
half 9-6. USA didn't manage a single break the whole first half, and
with Canada receiving if they score that point the USA will need at
least 4 second half breaks. That could be tough, and the rain is
starting to come down now. Start of the second half, the teams trade
turns and Canada goes up 10-6. Those turns are few and far between
for now, USA really needs to capitalize or else their goose is
cooked. USA scores, Canada answers back with a huck to Mike Grant,
who continues to exert his will on this game. USA scores, then on the
Canada possession each team turns it three times before a hammer to
Mike Grant. USA had three chances but still couldn't get that first
break, 12-8. Pull goes OB, quick huck to 12-9. Canada answers yet
again with Mike Grant, this time he bombs a big OI flick huck and the
Canada player skies huge to go up 13-9. B Wiggins hucks after the
cutter defender slips, easy score. Canada comes back with ANOTHER
huck to Mike Grant, he's just blowing up, there is no answer for him.
It's 14-10, USA needs to conjure up 4 breaks in the last 9 points
after getting none the whole game, that's a tough task. Big huck to
Sammy CK who lays out big for a two handed barrel roll catch.
Awesome, 14-11. Then shit got real exciting. It's already been a
nonstop action huckfest, but the game really took off from here. Big
huck goes up to Mike Grant, he and Seth Wiggins go up big but it
bounces off Mike Grant's fingertips for a turn, but then he takes one
stop after landing and lays out huge for the grab! Amazing play, but
called back because of a travel, or pick, I couldn't tell. Too bad
that such a great play went to waste, but the following play one-upped
it. John Hassell cuts deep and they rip it to him after the disc
comes back, but Chase is there and lays out HUGE and d's it! but the
disc kicks back up and is spinning so fast it bounces off Hassell's
chest and just hovers in mid air. It appears Hassell doesn't even know
where the disc is and it's still spinning so fast it's just hovering
there when he turns, sees it, and catches it. Amazing point, the fans
are going ballistic, two miraculous plays, 15-11 Canada. USA needs a
score and some breaks. Well, ask, and ye shall receive. USA puts it
in and then on their D point Mike Grant and young Nate Kaeding get
into a brief pushing match at midfield. Words are exchanged. Just as
I'm thinking that you don't want to piss off MIke Grant and give him
any more motivation than he already has, Nate comes flying in on the
in cut for a spectacular shoulder high lay out catch D!! Incredible
play and USA puts it in for their first break of the game, 15-13.
That was amazing to watch, wow. Another D point for the USA, Chase
lays out big on a low huck and d's it, Tim Gehret rips a big IO
backhand huck. The USA player tries to milk it into the end zone by
diving forward and pancaking it while landing in the end zone, but
when he hits the ground it bounces out!! Terrible luck, that would
have been 15-14. But Canada hucks it out of bounds, the rain is
really coming down now, the field is slick, players slipping and
laying out everywhere. USA scores to make it 15-14, the doink doesn't
cost them. But uh oh, Mike Grant is down on the ground in clear pain
with cramps, this is a bad sign for Canada and for the fans who have
enjoyed watching him ball it up. Chase races over to help him
stretch, a great show of sportsmanship, but we've come to expect that
from Chase. On Canada's O point there is a defensive mix up and
somehow Mike Grant is all alone in the end zone, easy huck and score.
How can you miss that guy?!? 16-14. USA is working the disc around
and Chase makes an in cut. As soon as he grabs it I turn to my friend
and say "Chase'll put it because he's a fucking baller," and no sooner
are the words out of my mouth before he rips a laser backhand 6 feet
off the ground to the back corner of the end zone for the score.
Sweet. 16-15, do or die for the USA. Pull goes OB, that's not a good
start. Canada flows it in for the score, game over. The announcer
urges "players only on the field" over the loudspeaker, but his words
fall on deaf ears as some of the Canadian faithful storm the field.
Alejandro
Sitting front row at the brick I saw an intensely fought game played
in some varying winds and rain. One likely can't tell from the UV
coverage - though all the missed pulls might lead you to suspect this
- but the winds appeared to be shifting and different in North end-
zone (not blocked by the stands) and up high. Maybe not as strong as
the winds in Sarasota, but perhaps a lot less predictable.
Some great match-ups. With the D-pressure being put on by both teams,
especially on the resets, I'm surprised there weren't more turns.
Lugsdin's coverage on B Wiggens early-on helped secure the early
breaks and was a key to the game for Furious, IMO. While Sockeye
obviously has lots of excellent throwers, not being able to reliably
get it to your most confident thrower has got wear on a team's
confidence a bit.
Sure, there were a few calls and a lot more left uncalled. The low
point for me was the tackle (by Crafts?) on Alexander to stop the flow
- but maybe I saw that one wrong.
All in all: a very exciting game.
-a
dgw...@gmail.com
play on both sides was tight. Great performances on many different
levels and awesome to watch it live.
Douglas T Lilley
I was embarrassed at some of the late calls by the US. Really, that
was some silly ass shit. Just play the game.
Chuck Yu
wrote:
Dear Frank,
I think I speak for us all when I say...
....SHUT THE HELL UP....
Go play dischoops and leave us alone to drink our kool-aid and give do-
overs for travel calls.
Sincerely,
Chuck
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> Go play dischoops and leave us alone to drink our kool-aid and give do-
> overs for travel calls.
dont forget......and constantly go offsides without being penalized
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> I was embarrassed at some of the late calls by the US.
embarrassed for who......US citizens or just human kind in general.
What the fuck do you expect when you let a kid loose in a candy store
anyways? I to was quite embarassed though......embarrassed that the
sport dosent have the brains to understand the need for impartial
arbitration.....and emmbarassed that they dont have the brains to
implament it. That observerless game actually reminded me of finals
games back in the 80's because in reality absolutely NOTHING has
changed about the game since then........thought i was watching some
kind of "throw-back" game. And was i the only one that noticed teams
going offsides on EVERY PULL?.....which was somthing that was very
common back in the day.
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Really, that
> was some silly ass shit. Just play the game.
thats such a stupid comment......i mean, listen to yourself. The rule
structure is set up so that THERE IS NO WAY they can "just play the
game". Remember.....they are obligated to arbitrate it too. Only one
way for them to "just play the game"......and thats to take the
arbatration process completely out of there hands. just play the
game????? what a joke. Wake up idiots......and get some refs
Douglas T Lilley
> On Aug 10, 2:49 am, Douglas T Lilley <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I was embarrassed at some of the late calls by the US.
>
> embarrassed for who......US citizens or just human kind in general.
> What the fuck do you expect when you let a kid loose in a candy store
> anyways? I to was quite embarassed though......embarrassed that the
> sport dosent have the brains to understand the need for impartial
> arbitration.....and emmbarassed that they dont have the brains to
> implament it. That observerless game actually reminded me of finals
> games back in the 80's because in reality absolutely NOTHING has
> changed about the game since then........thought i was watching some
> kind of "throw-back" game. And was i the only one that noticed teams
> going offsides on EVERY PULL?.....which was somthing that was very
> common back in the day.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Really, that
>
> > was some silly ass shit. Just play the game.
>
> thats such a stupid comment......i mean, listen to yourself. The rule
> structure is set up so that THERE IS NO WAY they can "just play the
> game". Remember.....they are obligated to arbitrate it too. Only one
> way for them to "just play the game"......and thats to take the
> arbatration process completely out of there hands. just play the
> game????? what a joke. Wake up idiots......and get some refs
That may or may not be true but it was not the point of the post.
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> > Really, that
>
> > > was some silly ass shit. Just play the game.
>
> > thats such a stupid comment......i mean, listen to yourself. The rule
> > structure is set up so that THERE IS NO WAY they can "just play the
> > game". Remember.....they are obligated to arbitrate it too. Only one
> > way for them to "just play the game"......and thats to take the
> > arbatration process completely out of there hands. just play the
> > game????? what a joke. Wake up idiots......and get some refs
>
> That may or may not be true
It IS true and you know it.......youve just bought into the whole sotg
thing and you just cant axcept it......or you (and others like you)
are just too pussified to stir shit up by speaking your mind.
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>but it was not the point of the post
then what was the point........that everyone is expected to be some
kind of boyscout monk when faced with the delema of performing two
opposing tasks simultainiously???? Please explain your POINT!!! and
then expain to us a logical way that such "embarassments" can be
avoided in the future.
Douglas T Lilley
Don't get all nasty on me, I actually agree that refs might be a good
idea. I was pointing out that Sockeye made some questionable calls at
the end of the game. Got it?
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> Don't get all nasty on me, I actually agree that refs might be a good
> idea.
Oh yea??? what gave you THAT idea? And there aint no "might" to it.
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I was pointing out that Sockeye made some questionable calls at
> the end of the game. Got it?
they did......whats the big surprise. they wanted to win and they
were making calls that were well within the rules. And yea, i get
it......you were being critical of their calls.......critiquing them
in fact, right? Well why not be more critical of the back ass rule
enforcement system ratner than those subjected to it. Like the saying
goes....."dont hate the playa......hate the game". The "game" being
self officiation.
Nirvana
really awful calls by Seth Crockford made the game close. I would like
to say that Sockeye played a bad game but honestly Canada just looked
amazing out there. Derek Alexander and Mike Grant were the two best
players on the field. But I still think the story of the game was Nord
looking straight-up terrible. He was scored on at least 4 or 5 times
and didn't even have any spectacular bids because he was so far behind
Mike Grant all game. I was not expecting that at all.
Frankie
they did.
OK, maybe the two go hand in hand, because they cheated so much, of course
they were in control.
I only saw on bad call by Sockeye. The first foul call was pretty weak.
The second foul call where the Canada player flattened the Sockeye player
after he got the D was still a foul. Where in the rules does it say you're
able to clobber the offensive player as long as you get to the disc first?
This is supposed to be non-contact, not non-contact as long as you get to
the disc first.
The other sockeye calls were for traveling which Canada was doing all game
long.
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wrote:
>
>
> The other sockeye calls were for traveling which Canada was doing all game
> long.
yea, that 44 guy was takin a train every time he got the disc.
i wonder how outcomes like this would have been altered with the
solstice "refzerver" type facilitation in which travels are actively
enforced. I guess maybe not all that much with such soft consequences
Frankie
know, will we?
Competition can only be apples-to-apples comparisons. You can't have one
team playing by a different set of rules than the other.
Oh, and KD couldn't carry my jock Todd. Don't even get me started. And I
don't cheat so don't include me in your convoluted thinking.
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wrote:
> I think Canada stills wins this game if they don't travel but we'll never
> know, will we?
even if travels were turns?
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>
> Competition can only be apples-to-apples comparisons. You can't have one
> team playing by a different set of rules than the other.
which is usually the case in ultimate.....to a certian extent.
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>
> Oh, and KD couldn't carry my jock Todd. Don't even get me started.
i think i already did. are you saying that you are the best ultimate
player to ever touch a disc? Is there anyone that was better than
yourself?
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And I
> don't cheat so don't include me in your convoluted thinking.
c'mon now.......you never cheated in ultimate even once????, never
went off sides or ANYTHING?????
Frankie
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On Aug 10, 1:57 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I think Canada stills wins this game if they don't travel but we'll never
> know, will we?
--even if travels were turns?
Sure. Canadians just wouldn't have traveled. They would have learned a
long time ago not to do it.
My point is that the Canadians looked like the better/stronger team. It
would have just been nice to see some real competition instead of
make-believe.
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>
> Competition can only be apples-to-apples comparisons. You can't have one
> team playing by a different set of rules than the other.
-which is usually the case in ultimate.....to a certian extent.
yep. which is why I think observers are a joke. observers come from teams
who all have their own variant of the rules.
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>
> Oh, and KD couldn't carry my jock Todd. Don't even get me started.
--i think i already did. are you saying that you are the best ultimate
player to ever touch a disc? Is there anyone that was better than
yourself?
There's probably a lot better than me but KD is not one of them.
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And I
> don't cheat so don't include me in your convoluted thinking.
c'mon now.......you never cheated in ultimate even once????, never
went off sides or ANYTHING?????
Maybe a long time ago but I have not willfully cheated in many, many years.
I don't need to. I'm pretty enough without it.
Jed
>
> Mike Grant's dominance was the story in this game, the USA never had an
> answer for him. He dominated the game on offense in every respect, I
> don't see how you could have watched this game and not declare him the
> best player in the world.
You said it. It ain't even a question.
joad...@ec.rr.com
wrote:
>
> > Oh, and KD couldn't carry my jock Todd. Don't even get me started.
>
> --i think i already did. are you saying that you are the best ultimate
> player to ever touch a disc? Is there anyone that was better than
> yourself?
>
> There's probably a lot better than me but KD is not one of them.
well we'll never know unless you got a chance to match up against him
ever. but there is more to being a great player than just
playing......theres leadership, motivational aspectas and making all
the players around you better. Those are the qualities that make for
good and great players in team sports. and ones i'd say you never
possesed since there is absolutely no common knowledge of you ever
even being on any team to begin with. I'm not saying he was the best
player ever to touch a disc (as handy said) but he sure was able to
create, maintain and lead the best team that ever touched the field
which, again, is somthing that you never even came close to achieving
in your ultimate career. Dont hate, appreciate (kd's efforts and
accomplishments)......of which this isnt even about kd.......its about
pk
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> c'mon now.......you never cheated in ultimate even once????, never
> went off sides or ANYTHING?????
>
> Maybe a long time ago
well then you are a cheater.......it dont matter how long ago it was.
once a cheater, always a cheater.
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but I have not willfully cheated in many, many years.
> I don't need to. I'm pretty enough without it.
you do look rather pretty.....especially when you run with your hands
flappin ........like you are goin for "style" points.
either way.....once youve cheated.....your a cheater. dont try and
pull that fucked up, born again, christian forgiveness loophole shit
on me. There could be a guy that cheats now in the same way you
cheated back in the day. Are you sugesting that your cheating has
been forgivin........where as the present day cheaters hasent.
Rhett
>Grant's dominance was the story in this game, the USA never had an
>answer for him. He dominated the game on offense in every respect, I
>don't see how you could have watched this game and not declare him the
>best player in the world.
MG was good but I think that's a bit much- case in point Nate Catine's
D (SICK D) on him.. I also thought Nate had him pretty decently
contained for the other points he (Nate) was on.
Hassle's name is worth another mention, he played an amazing game and
seemed pretty hard to contain. Oscar had some pretty sick high layout
D's as well. Oh.... Mark Roberts!
So yeah, MG played well but best player in the world? Sockeye shut
down his flick huck pretty quickly and he still did a lot, but so did
the other guys.
jacob
pichifoto
> OK Rhett, so who is better than Mike Grant?
Did no one see Ortiz's amazing ass game? He was a rock for that
offense.
d von
> OK Rhett, so who is better than Mike Grant?
answer: Nate Castine
DIRT