DTB SAYS: "WE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSTIONS WITH PEOPLE ON ANY AND EVERY BACKROUND WHO CONTIMPLATE ISSUES OF RACE IN ULTIMATE"....
ulticritic
PROVE IT!!!!!!
HER I AM, WHERE ARE YOU?
and
IS SAID DIALOUGE BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE CHALLANGED IN THE
SINCERITY OF YOUR MISSION????
point, i'm easy to find and YOU are the ones encouraging me to reach
out to you. So to not respond would be quite telling........and weak.
Throw
Please lower your voice rupert leber....you'll wake the infants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCKf0ulN0s
Lance Marput
www.thisisultimate.com
bil
(query, self?)? you clearly aren't willing to
engage in a reasonable dialogue (given your
racism and bad faith), and you
completely mistake and misidentify the
"mission." you didn't show up to potlatch,
and you want other people to do all the
hard work for you (very white of you
(which is not to say that some white folks
don't do some hard work w/ race)).
i would hope that nobody responds to
you substantively. if you actually cared
about class, DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT, other than making unfounded claims
that you care. we can see that your
statements are just a way for you to
complain about something, and that
class isn't really an issue that
you're willing to act on. prove me wrong
on this by going out and sponsoring
a juniors team or providing a scholarship.
i'm not calling toad a crackpot
because he is a ref guy. that's
a goal that is within the reeasonable
range, so all you other ref-folks,
no need to get in a huff.
ulticritic
hey throwup.....havent ya herd that theres a way to cut me off from
even seein my posts.........plese intall it on your computer
ulticritic
> why would anybody respond to a crackpot
> (query, self?)?
you tell us.......arent you responding?
also
because they/she(venus) said....and i quote.....we want to have
conversations with people from ANY AND EVERY BACKROUND. THEY NEVER
SAID THAT THEY WOULD EXCLUDE THOSE OF US THAT ARE OF THE CRACKPOT
PERSUASION. I mean, wouldnt that be equally exclusionary itself?
and how am i a crack pot? just because i challenge them and call
bullshit on them?
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you clearly aren't willing to
> engage in a reasonable dialogue (given your
> racism and bad faith),
how am i a racist when i like there race(the blacks anyways)?......and
what the fuck does "bad faith" even mean? does that have somthing to
do with me being atheistic? if so, what does that say about your
religious tolerance?
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and you
> completely mistake and misidentify the
> "mission." you didn't show up to potlatch,
is that a prerequisit for them to engage in dialouge? it has to be in
person?
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> and you want other people to do all the
> hard work for you (very white of you
OUCH.......and you are calling ME a racist????
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> (which is not to say that some white folks
> don't do some hard work w/ race)).
hey, i'm the one calling them out for being the "uncle toms"(of sorts)
here. They seem to just want to scratch the surface of the unwrittin
exculsionary clause (which is more economic than racial) within
ultimate where as i want to get to the heart of it.......or,better
yet, want THEM to get to the heart of it
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>
> i would hope that nobody responds to
> you substantively.
well they probably wont......if they are pussies. facing the truth
has that effect on people.
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if you actually cared
> about class, DO SOMETHING ABOUT
> IT, other than making unfounded claims
> that you care.
who says i dont. but i'm not the one putting myself out there
encouraging people to initiate discussion on the mattrer now am i?
and this is a response to them.....so there is quite a difference
there.
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we can see that your
> statements are just a way for you to
> complain about something,
so........ever herd the phrase "a squeeky wheel gets a greasin"
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and that
> class isn't really an issue that
> you're willing to act on.
again....how the fuck would you know.
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prove me wrong
> on this by going out and sponsoring
> a juniors team or providing a scholarship.
is that the only way i can prove my racial or class diversity and/or
tollerance. And again, i'm not the one on the soap box here, its DTB
that is. i'm just a guy in the crowd that aint afraid to speak his
mind
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>
> i'm not calling toad a crackpot
> because he is a ref guy. that's
> a goal that is within the reeasonable
> range, so all you other ref-folks,
> no need to get in a huff.
why do you put limits on how deep we are allowed to go into this issue
and while dtb is applauded for ther efforts to just scratch the
surface and promote some insincere fluffed up effort to confront
ultimates obvious lack of racial diversity i am villianized for kickin
it up a notch and takin it to the next level?
pgw
> how am i a racist when i like there race(the blacks anyways)?
You're a racist because you make exactly that kind of statement. "I
like the blacks, so I can't be a racist." In other words, you judge
all people of a certain skin color by that skin color. Whether that
judgment is positive or negative, it's racist.
> is that a prerequisit for them to engage in dialouge? it has to be in
> person?
Well, those were the terms of the invitation. Sorry bout it.
> And again, i'm not the one on the soap box here, its DTB
> that is. i'm just a guy in the crowd that aint afraid to speak his
> mind
You initiate dozens of usenet posts a day with all-caps titles, hoping
to goad someone into a response. I don't know if you understand what
"on a soapbox" means. Wikipedia says: "The term is also used
metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant
impromptu or unofficial public speaking, ..." That's what you are
doing - trying to get people to listen to you by manufacturing your
own little platform. DTB, on the other hand, doesn't need a soapbox -
The Huddle gave them a bona fide stage.
bil
> > why would anybody respond to a crackpot
> > (query, self?)?
>
> you tell us.......arent you responding?
nice reading comprehension, buddy. i did tell us that i was
responding, and that there was irony in that, but perhaps doing so
parenthetically obfuscated it too much for you to comprehend. i am
responding because i'm not on downtown (and therefore am not speaking
for them in any way) and because your racism and ill will overflows,
and in case there are folks of color out there that think that you
represent some kind of silent majority in terms of how the ultimate
community treats folks of color.
i have my concerns about the possibility that you do represent a
silent _minority_ (or at least I hope it is a minority) of white folks
in terms of your race baiting and complete failure to comprehend the
need for folks of color teams, and wish that there were more white
folks here actively saying that your views on race do not represent
either very much of the community, or even those of the pro-ref
community. but maybe a large part of the community does support you
throwing around the "uncle tom" phrase - maybe that is where ultimate
really is at?
you have the million dollars. do something with it to benefit folks
who need help w/ the issues that you are claiming to care about and
i'll believe that you actually care about those issues. until then, it
just sounds like a bunch of trolling, but this time, the trolling
actually may be making folks of color feel like the ultimate community
doesn't care enough to confront its own problems (here, you).
Reggie Fanelli
>
> You're a racist because you make exactly that kind of statement. "I
> like the blacks, so I can't be a racist." In other words, you judge
> all people of a certain skin color by that skin color. Whether that
> judgment is positive or negative, it's racist.
---WHOA.....
you wrote that toad "judges all people of a certain skin color by that
skin color".......
you got that from...."how am i a racist when i like" people that are
black.....
i don't see him "judging" anyone by saying that he likes "their" race.
and....i've known toad for a lot of years....and have never heard or
interpreted anything he says or feels as being a racist.
maybe i'm wrong....and you guys can find some quote to the
contrary....but shit....he used to follow the teaching of Jah.....
pgw
> ---WHOA.....
> you wrote that toad "judges all people of a certain skin color by that
> skin color".......
> you got that from...."how am i a racist when i like" people that are
> black.....
No. He didn't say he likes "people that are black" - he said he likes
"there [sic] race (the blacks anyways)."
> i don't see him "judging" anyone by saying that he likes "their" race.
Weird. I don't see how anyone could NOT see that. Maybe you have a
different understanding of the word "judge" than I do.
ulticritic
> On Jul 7, 10:46 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > how am i a racist when i like there race(the blacks anyways)?
>
> You're a racist because you make exactly that kind of statement. "I
> like the blacks, so I can't be a racist." In other words, you judge
> all people of a certain skin color by that skin color. Whether that
> judgment is positive or negative, it's racist.
dude, that was just a sienfeld soundbite? so if anything, its jerry
sienfeld that a racist......or the charcter that he was playing of
himself. and the only reason i speciied blacks is because they seem to
be the least represented on dtb.
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>
> > is that a prerequisit for them to engage in dialouge? it has to be in
> > person?
>
> Well, those were the terms of the invitation. Sorry bout it.
thats wierd......especially with all of todays technologies?????
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>
> > And again, i'm not the one on the soap box here, its DTB
> > that is. i'm just a guy in the crowd that aint afraid to speak his
> > mind
>
> You initiate dozens of usenet posts a day with all-caps titles, hoping
> to goad someone into a response.
not on this issue, that was the huddle and dtb.
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I don't know if you understand what
> "on a soapbox" means. Wikipedia says:
ah wikipedia sucks! (thats another sienfeld soundbite only i switched
the word wikipedia with ann landers)
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"The term is also used
> metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant
> impromptu or unofficial public speaking, ..." That's what you are
> doing - trying to get people to listen to you by manufacturing your
> own little platform. DTB, on the other hand, doesn't need a soapbox -
> The Huddle gave them a bona fide stage.
and i'm just trying to do what they encouraged me to do, right? maybe
you havent read their articals in the huddle???
ulticritic
> > > why would anybody respond to a crackpot
> > > (query, self?)?
>
> > you tell us.......arent you responding?
>
> nice reading comprehension, buddy. i did tell us that i was
> responding, and that there was irony in that, but perhaps doing so
> parenthetically obfuscated it too much for you to comprehend.
well i couldnt tell you as i dont know what the fuck parentheically
obfuscated even means. who uses words like that?
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i am
> responding because i'm not on downtown (and therefore am not speaking
> for them in any way)
so youre just some white guy?
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and because your racism and ill will overflows,
> and in case there are folks of color out there that think that you
> represent some kind of silent majority in terms of how the ultimate
> community treats folks of color.
well thats quite obvious isnt it......it subtley and econimically
excludes them, right? isnt that what dtb is trying to convey?
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>
> i have my concerns about the possibility that you do represent a
> silent _minority_ (or at least I hope it is a minority) of white folks
> in terms of your race baiting and complete failure to comprehend the
> need for folks of color teams,
hey i'm all for that. jive me a team of tall, fast, high jumpin
brothas playin an i'd buy a ticket for that shit in a heartbeat.
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and wish that there were more white
> folks here actively saying that your views on race do not represent
> either very much of the community, or even those of the pro-ref
> community.
pfft, good luck wit all that
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but maybe a large part of the community does support you
> throwing around the "uncle tom" phrase - maybe that is where ultimate
> really is at?
well you just thew it yourself now didnt ya
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>
> you have the million dollars. do something with it to benefit folks
> who need help w/ the issues that you are claiming to care about
what and or who have i ever claimed to care about........besides me
and my own personal happiness?now if you are refering to
ultimate........and since time IS money............ifso fatso.......i
already am "doing somthing to benefit"
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and
> i'll believe that you actually care about those issues.
i dont give a fuck what you believe
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until then, it
> just sounds like a bunch of trolling, but this time, the trolling
> actually may be making folks of color feel like the ultimate community
> doesn't care enough to confront its own problems (here, you).
i'm ultimates' problems?????
H
bump
ulticritic
> On Jul 7, 3:47 pm, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 4:25 pm, bil <ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > why would anybody respond to a crackpot
> > > > > (query, self?)?
>
> > > > you tell us.......arent you responding?
>
> > > nice reading comprehension, buddy. i did tell us that i was
> > > responding, and that there was irony in that, but perhaps doing so
> > > parenthetically obfuscated it too much for you to comprehend.
>
> > well i couldnt tell you as i dont know what the fuck parentheically
> > obfuscated even means. who uses words like that?
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>
> > i am
>
> > > responding because i'm not on downtown (and therefore am not speaking
> > > for them in any way)
>
> > so youre just some white guy?
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > and because your racism and ill will overflows,
>
> > > and in case there are folks of color out there that think that you
> > > represent some kind of silent majority in terms of how the ultimate
> > > community treats folks of color.
>
> > well thats quite obvious isnt it......it subtley and econimically
> > excludes them, right? isnt that what dtb is trying to convey?
>
> > > i have my concerns about the possibility that you do represent a
> > > silent _minority_ (or at least I hope it is a minority) of white folks
> > > in terms of your race baiting and complete failure to comprehend the
> > > need for folks of color teams,
>
> > hey i'm all for that. jive me a team of tall, fast, high jumpin
> > brothas playin an i'd buy a ticket for that shit in a heartbeat.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > and wish that there were more white
>
> > > folks here actively saying that your views on race do not represent
> > > either very much of the community, or even those of the pro-ref
> > > community.
>
> > pfft, good luck wit all that
> > -------------------------------------------
>
> > but maybe a large part of the community does support you
>
> > > throwing around the "uncle tom" phrase - maybe that is where ultimate
> > > really is at?
>
> > well you just thew it yourself now didnt ya
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > you have the million dollars. do something with it to benefit folks
> > > who need help w/ the issues that you are claiming to care about
>
> > what and or who have i ever claimed to care about........besides me
> > and my own personal happiness?now if you are refering to
> > ultimate........and since time IS money............ifso fatso.......i
> > already am "doing somthing to benefit"
>
> > and
>
> > > i'll believe that you actually care about those issues.
>
> > i dont give a fuck what you believe
> > ----------------------------------------
>
> > until then, it
>
> > > just sounds like a bunch of trolling, but this time, the trolling
> > > actually may be making folks of color feel like the ultimate community
> > > doesn't care enough to confront its own problems (here, you).
>
> > i'm ultimates' problems?????
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
h, i dont get you. why bump this topic yet not contribute to it.
isnt that the whole purpose behind dtb. INITIATE SOME FUCKIN DIALOUGE
ALREADY!!!!!!
Enver
Cuz people, from a distance, can't tell who is who
ulticritic
>
> - Show quoted text -
are you calling dtb fools?
Enver
laughing at, then you are probably the jackass..."
A wise man once told me not to argue with fools
Cuz people, from a distance can't tell who is who
ulticritic
> "If you can't tell who is the jackass in the room that everyone is
> laughing at, then you are probably the jackass..."
i can tell........the jackass is the sport of ultimate............the
room is the sports world...........that makes YOU the joke