Questions for the UOA
peps G
SO, considering you've been so active on RSD lately, I have a few
questions regarding what the UOA is and does, and specifically your
Wilmington 8's tournament. maybe I could find the answers to these
questions out myself with a little rsd-surfing, but i guess i'm just
too lazy.
1) So firstly, what is the UOA exactly? Are you guys a legit, fully
incorporated organization or whatever with non-profit 501(3)c status?
Or by "association" do you mean a group of closely associated people
simply working together in unison to promote observing in the world of
ultimate. In other words, if I were to write out a check to the "UOA"
would you guys be able to cash it (in the same way that the UPA could
cash a check made out to the "UPA")?
2) So i'm curious: what are the origins of these fields you're using
for the Wilmington 8's (polo fields, county/state park fields, soccer
fields)? How is it that these fields are available to you pretty much
any weekend that you seem to garner enough interest for a tournament?
Did the UOA purchase these fields and now own them? Are they owned by
a close friend of Gerics or Reggie?
3) Does the UOA have its own official website yet (don't send me the
link to some blog either, that's not official)? Is there anywhere
online where I can find an "official" copy of the UOA's observing
guidelines/rules (again: I'm not just talking about some blog that
takes you 2 seconds to create)? I would like to read them if
possible.....
4) What is the tournament fee for these Wilmington 8's tournaments?
Do they vary depending on which you are attending? Are you not
posting a tournament fee because you're not charging anything?!....
5) What's the drainage situation on these fields and how susceptible
are they to rainouts like other sets of fields? A lot of teams on the
east coast had a LOT of tournaments canceled due intense rain last
spring. Will the Wilmington 8's fields hold up better than, or have
any advantage over, say, those shitty, shitty Roll Call fields during
rain or those fields down at ECU for Ultimax which also got untimely
rained out? Or do they have any other advantage over your average
fields either (like maybe the fields don't have that great of drainage
either, but the owner is much more lenient than your average
University with its own fields in allowing them to get torn to
shit)?.....
thank you!
~eppy
Reggie Fanelli
--hey.
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> SO, considering you've been so active on RSD lately,
--lately?
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I have a few
> questions regarding what the UOA is and does, and specifically your
> Wilmington 8's tournament.
>
> 1) So firstly, what is the UOA exactly? Are you guys a legit, fully
> incorporated organization or whatever with non-profit 501(3)c status?
> Or by "association" do you mean a group of closely associated people
> simply working together in unison to promote observing in the world of
> ultimate. In other words, if I were to write out a check to the "UOA"
> would you guys be able to cash it (in the same way that the UPA could
> cash a check made out to the "UPA")?
---you wrote above....questions about the UOA, specifically our 8s
tournaments....and then you go on to ask a bunch of non-tournament
related questions.
what exactly is the UOA...it's the Ultimate Observers Association.
the rest of these questions...probably aren't any of your business.
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> 2) So i'm curious: what are the origins of these fields you're using
> for the Wilmington 8's (polo fields, county/state park fields, soccer
> fields)? How is it that these fields are available to you pretty much
> any weekend that you seem to garner enough interest for a tournament?
> Did the UOA purchase these fields and now own them? Are they owned by
> a close friend of Gerics or Reggie?
---"origins" of the fields?....
why are you asking?
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> 3) Does the UOA have its own official website yet (don't send me the
> link to some blog either, that's not official)? Is there anywhere
> online where I can find an "official" copy of the UOA's observing
> guidelines/rules (again: I'm not just talking about some blog that
> takes you 2 seconds to create)? I would like to read them if
> possible.....
---our official website can be found at...
rec sport disc.
others are contacted directly via email when they express interest in
attending our tournaments or observing at our tournaments.
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> 4) What is the tournament fee for these Wilmington 8's tournaments?
> Do they vary depending on which you are attending? Are you not
> posting a tournament fee because you're not charging anything?!....
---why would we post the tournament fee?
is your team attending?
has your team been invited?
has your team committed 100% to attending?
when your team is invited...is when the entry fee matters to you.
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> 5) What's the drainage situation on these fields and how susceptible
> are they to rainouts like other sets of fields? A lot of teams on the
> east coast had a LOT of tournaments canceled due intense rain last
> spring. Will the Wilmington 8's fields hold up better than, or have
> any advantage over, say, those shitty, shitty Roll Call fields during
> rain or those fields down at ECU for Ultimax which also got untimely
> rained out? Or do they have any other advantage over your average
> fields either (like maybe the fields don't have that great of drainage
> either, but the owner is much more lenient than your average
> University with its own fields in allowing them to get torn to
> shit)?.....
---when it rains, the fields get wet.
if it rains a lot...puddles form.
why are you asking?
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> thank you!
---if it were ME being sooooo nosey....and asking soooo many weird
questions.....i'd be announcing WHY i was being so nosey.
huckbucket
cool things in ultimate, what is wrong with someone wanting to know
more information? I cant imagine you gathering much support is this is
how treat people that inquire about the UOA... anyway... i think the
UOA is awesome, and keep up the good work... just chill out about
people being curious
jim
yeah, that may have been one of the most insecure responses I have
seen...and weird.
huanga2
"curious".
As curious as Pepsi is about Coke's secret formula...
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Reggie Fanelli
---well...i've only seen toad and jim p writing about bank accounts
and home values.
asking about bank accounts is weird, to me.
not expressing interest in attending a tournament, but asking the
entry fee...is weird to me.
asking about nonprofit 3411)g)c...is weird to me.
those and more....are how I think it's more 'nosey' than common rsd
interest.
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lots of people think you are doing some pretty
> cool things in ultimate, what is wrong with someone wanting to know
> more information?
---seeking non ultimate related info isn't 'wrong'.....but weird...and
worthy of my asking about his questions...
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I cant imagine you gathering much support is this is
> how treat people that inquire about the UOA
---support?
the way we're going to 'get support' is by having a killer product.
our observing training and the tournaments we host and the interest in
those things, are what will get us "support".
having the upa adopt much of what we have been working on...is
support....
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... anyway... i think the
> UOA is awesome, and keep up the good work... just chill out about
> people being curious
---so that you know....i'm not 'unchilled'
very common misconception about me, i fear...people think i'm always
"unchilled"
i'm rather blunt...and coarse....but most often pretty 'chilled'
Reggie Fanelli
> seen...and weird.
--ever?
the poster said he had questions about the UOA...then went on to ask
about field drainage, bank accounts, website and tournament fees for
events that are full without expressing interest in them........
ask about the UOA...and maybe the reply wouldn't be
so ...unanswering...
Reggie Fanelli
> "curious".
>
> As curious as Pepsi is about Coke's secret formula...
----aaahhhhh. right.
i didn't think i was being insecure and unchilled.
Reggie Fanelli
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---first rsd post ever, eppy???????????????
oreo
the UOA has the ability to host as many tournmants as you are. I feel
like this is a legit question
Also, you think its weird that he asks about your website, your non-
profit status and the cost of the tournaments.
Maybe some people care a little bit more than just the killer product
you have. He just wants to make sure you guys are legit in the money
is not just getting funneled into some baby seal clubbing... club.
Also, I would like to see official guide for th UOA observer
guidelines
Finally, why do you think its weird that he wants to know the
tournament fee. If you only tell teams that express interest in the
tournaments, that makes me feel like the price changes. Then I would
like to know
what causes the prices changes. Is this gonna be like a Cultimate
situation where your going to charge more to the lower ability teams
to help finance the elite tournament?
I'm not accusing you of this, but being so secretive about tournament
prices leads to speculation.
ulticritic
> The questions do seem slightly odd for someone who is merely
> "curious".
>
> As curious as Pepsi is about Coke's secret formula...
maybe more like coke zero about cokes'
Jason Weddle
interested in becoming an observer, contact myself or Mike G
DIRECTLY.
We will get you involved and keep you VERY WELL POSTED with UOA
Announcements and Information.
> 1) So firstly, what is the UOA exactly?
-- the Ultimate Observers Association - We promote the use and
training of observers in Ultimate. We host ultimate tournaments in a
effort to deliver the best ultimate frisbee experience for the
players, coaches and fans. We also use these events to train
observers the UOA style. That is something that we offer that no
other ultimate club, organization or event is offering.... We offer a
killer all officiated ultimate event with well trained officials and
beautiful green grassed fields.
2) So i'm curious: what are the origins of these fields you're using
> for the Wilmington 8's
-- We have fantastic soil and great weather.
> 3) Does the UOA have its own official website yet (don't send me the
> link to some blog either, that's not official)?
--- No we do not have a website. At this time, we don't feel the need
for one. We are always in good communication with everyone
participating in the UOA Events. That is... we are in excellent
communication with players, coaches, fans and officials without the
use and maintenance of a website. We might get a website one day....
but for now, we have no plans of getting one. Actually we consider
RSD our website for tournament and observer announcements. We often
get emails from teams and officials involved with the UOA saying that
our communications with them has been outstanding and that they are
not used to that type of good communication. You can get some of our
training material and observer techniques by ATTENDING AN EVENT. We
don't necessarily want every joe public out there to have access to
our info.
> 4) What is the tournament fee for these Wilmington 8's tournaments?
> Do they vary depending on which you are attending? Are you not
> posting a tournament fee because you're not charging anything?!...
-- Tournament fees.... Our tournaments are fair and maybe cheaper than
most tournaments out there.....
AND we offer ALL GAMES OBSERVED WITH KILLER FIELDS!!!!!!!!
Get your program involved with the UOA and you can be privy to that
type of info.
> 5) What's the drainage situation on these fields and how susceptible
> are they to rainouts like other sets of fields?
-- We haven't had a rain out yet and don't plan on it. We do have
back up plans in place.
Really this is a question/problem that we are to worry about and
solve. If we announce an event.... There will be an event.
Give the UOA EVENTS A TRY and most of these questions will be
answered. Also, if you are more interested in the UOA you can look up
the SURVEY RESULTS from the Fall 8's. It was posted back in NOV right
here on RSD. It is good feedback from players, coaches, fans and
officials about the 8's Events.
Get your ultimate program involved.... OR if you want to be an
observer, GET INVOLVED!
Thanks,
Jason Weddle
UOA
Reggie Fanelli
> the UOA has the ability to host as many tournmants as you are. I feel
> like this is a legit question
---we're not trying to secure fields for 20 mens and 12 womens teams
all at once.
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> Also, you think its weird that he asks about your website, your non-
> profit status and the cost of the tournaments.
> Maybe some people care a little bit more than just the killer product
> you have. He just wants to make sure you guys are legit in the money
> is not just getting funneled into some baby seal clubbing... club.
---rsd is our website....other info is spread via personal email to
those that need to know.
maybe some people care about WHAT besides our killer product?
...make sure we are legit WHAT?
and...we are paying 8 observers each tournament. where else could the
money get 'funneled'?
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> Also, I would like to see official guide for th UOA observer
> guidelines
---a guide of guidelines?
i don't even know what that means.
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> Finally, why do you think its weird that he wants to know the
> tournament fee.
---i don't think his teams is invited to attend.
...so why does he care?
sincerely seriously.....seriously sincerely.
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If you only tell teams that express interest in the
> tournaments, that makes me feel like the price changes. Then I would
> like to know
> what causes the prices changes.
---i've hosted lots of tournaments for lots of years....
i know why an entry fee would change for one group vs another.
i know.
i've done plenty of research.
if YOU'D like to know why an entry fee might change....YOU do the
research.
or don't.
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Is this gonna be like a Cultimate
> situation where your going to charge more to the lower ability teams
> to help finance the elite tournament?
--i don't know what Cultimate does.
i don't care.
if they are charging MORE for lower level teams....then they have NOT
done their research properly....
OR...they are just bigger fucking kooks than everyone here on rsd
makes them out to be....and i would wonder EVEN MORE why teams go to
their events.
no....we are NOT charging lower level teams MORE in order to finance
an elite event.
that would be quite contrary to my research.
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> I'm not accusing you of this, but being so secretive about tournament
> prices leads to speculation.
---it does?
i'd say....only by some weirdos who shouldn't be worrying about it.
right?
Reggie Fanelli
> Jason Weddle
> UOA
Founder-co
peps G
My apologies if my questions seemed hostile or prodding or whatever.
I ask because I'm new to this rec.sport.disc google group, I just
found out about it maybe 4-5 months ago and I didn't know what the
deal with the UOA is either (that was my first ever rec.sport.disc
post as you can see). I'm currently a college player, I have
absolutely no life but frisbee and I just switched my major last year
to education with the sole intent of becoming a teacher so that I can
one day coach a high school team and help rise ultimate to the level
of an interscholastic high school varsity sport, which will never
happen unless the sport adopts some sort of formal observing system in
my opinion. I figured that since ulticritic seems to always be
criticizing Spirit and the UPA (which I support completely--I'm not a
big fan of the UPA either, I agree with a lot of what ulticritic says
from the little of the posts that i've read of his since I found out
about rsd) that if you guys want to become THE establishment in this
sport then you guys have to be ready to subject yourself to, and
respond appropriately to, the same scrutiny which the UPA should, but
doesn't, hold itself accountable to and confront. So to let you know
WHY I asked my questions so as to dispel my perceived notions of
prodiness or possible hostility, I will elaborate:
Question 1--- I ask it because I couldn't find any additional
background info on you guys or whether you extend to the Northeast,
where I live, or whether you guys are a national, local, or just
upstart organization/association. I would like to know if you guys
have anything established up here in the Northeast.......
Question 2--- Just curious as to whether the UOA might actually own
these fields. Have you guys considered purchasing any additional
fields up here in the Northeast, so that New England and upstate New
York teams could access them (again, I'm not sure how long the UOA has
been around, and whether or not you have ability to buy additional
fields or own the Wilmington fields themselves, because I can't find
any background info)?
Question 3--- Wanted to see what exactly the rules are, how hard they
are they are to become familiar with and to enact in Ultimate. I was
considering enacting the LOS idea for our first ever tournament which
we hope to have next fall, yet how can we try this if we don't even
know what the UOA rules are? As for the website question, if you take
the average, non-elite ultimate college team that make up the bulk of
the UPA male college membership in this country (for every team that
makes regionals, there are another 4 that don't), how many besides the
captains have heard of RSD? On my team, and most other non-elite
teams out there, almost none- in other words, nobody outside of RSD is
hearing about what you're doing. This question was supposed to be as
much an encouragement/suggestion for the UOA to make a website to help
further the development of the sport as a questions within itself.
When I hopefully go on to become a high school coach and I try to
confront my school's athletic director about the legitimacy of my
sport and that a formal (but still limited-role) officiating system is
starting to be put into place, and that athletic director asks me to
give him/her more information about this observing system/
organization, what am I supposed to do? Send them a link to something
called "RSD" which they've never even heard of and act like that's
supposed to serve as verifiable proof that you guys are real and
legitimate? Somehow I don't think that school's athletic director
would take me very seriously in that case.....
Question 4--- I ask because I thought you might be hosting these
tournaments for free in order to promote the observing system in the
sport of Ultimate, which would garner a LOT of respect from me. Or
likewise, you could be charging a LOT for these tournaments because
the demand seems to be really high for them right now. I've never
seen a tournament on Score Reporter that doesn't list the tournament
fee.
Question 5--- for this spring season, I was trying to convince my team
not to attend any tournaments on the east coast. I said that instead
of attending 4-5 tournaments in the spring here, we save that money
and attend only one or two tournaments this semester, both out in the
midwest/west where we would have to fly to attend BUT that 100%
definitely would not get rained out. We got rained out of a bunch of
tournaments, as did a LOT of other teams, last spring and it was
dissappointing, but I figured maybe if these fields were owned by the
UOA and not by some uptight university or polo club owners or state
park or whatever then they wouldn't have the same constraints when it
came to rain, in which case I would support my team attending one or
possibly even two of the Wilmington 8's this spring instead of flying
out to the west/midwest and attending only one or two tournaments this
spring that we KNEW wouldn't get canceled due to rain.
Again, I'm kind of a new comer to RSD and to the bigger picture of
ultimate beyond my own experience with my college team. I thought
you'd be happy to answer my questions and spread more information
regarding your organization, as a way of promoting the UOA. Generally
it's counterproductive to gaining respect and publicity if you don't
provide general info to those who's support you are trying to gain. I
thought you guys might be the ones who could overthrow the UPA and
bring balance to this sport. But if you guys aren't going to be any
more open or respecting to the general public than they are then
you've lost already lost my support. Sorry, I guess I won't ask any
more questions. I guess the UOA doesn't want to be bothered with
petty, insignificant players and doesn't really care what the general
public just like the UPA. Sorry for being so rude as to
inquire........
~eppy
peps G
answered in part. More info would be appreciated, but at least it's a
start. Thank you Jason Weddle.
~eppy
Reggie Fanelli
> found out about it maybe 4-5 months ago
--yeah right!
Reggie Fanelli
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--ok...so i guess that my "yeah right!" comment was hitting the nail
on the head, huh?
right.
Reggie Fanelli
> would you guys be able to cash it
---absolutely we can cash it...or deposit it.
please send all donations to
The UOA
Beauregard NC
peps G
> questions.....i'd be announcing WHY i was being so nosey.
Well, it seems a little weird that you ask me to elaborate on why I
ask the questions you ask, so I do, and then you still simply ignore
my questions and instead go on and make some random assumptions about
me. What other accusations are you going to make about me? That I
don't even play ultimate. Because you would know, right?.......
From reading some of Jason Weddle's comments, I'm thinking that maybe
I just misunderstood what you're organization was about. I thought
that the UOA was/is actively trying to, or had eventual plans of,
competing with the UPA to become THE governing body in the sport here
in the US and basically phase out the UPA and Spirit all together.
The reason I asked all my questions is because I think that
opportunities for some teams to play especially are very limited (I
play for a B-team, and we'd have to travel about 13 hours to
Wilmington.....), and that this problem has to do with the whole
entire SPORT being underground and the UPA not doing enough.
Ulticritic seems to be the most active of the UOA organizers/members
complaining about this followed by yourself, and after reading his
post regarding a professional league and your response to his post
saying how the UOA was going to start doing everything itself, I got
really interested. But from Weddle's post it seems like you guys are
mostly interested in grassroots change and applying you're model to
the rest of the country by example and by hosting the Wilmington 8's,
not by actively trying to spread and extend UOA tournaments and
observing classes into other parts of the country.
It seems like you are more interested in selling your "killer
product" (which my team would still be interested in, if we lived
closer and were competitive enough to be invited to attend) than in
trying to promote the sport or advance the public's knowledge of
observing. If you guys are only trying to educate teams that attend
your Wilmington tournaments then you're obviously not aiming to spread
nationally. Correct me if I'm wrong......or don't, and just make more
baseless accusations about me.
Reggie Fanelli
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---man.....keep reading!
you ain't found everything yet.
we're spreadin' all around the world....
ulticritic
> complaining about this followed by yourself,
i have no affiliation with the uoa......other than being a big
fan......and a critic.
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and after reading his
> post regarding a professional league and your response to his post
> saying how the UOA was going to start doing everything itself, I got
> really interested.
i think that was a hypothetical.......unfortunatley
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But from Weddle's post it seems like you guys are
> mostly interested in grassroots change and applying you're model to
> the rest of the country by example and by hosting the Wilmington 8's,
> not by actively trying to spread and extend UOA tournaments and
> observing classes into other parts of the country.
uhmmm, i kinda got the idea they were doing both.
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>
> It seems like you are more interested in selling your "killer
> product" (which my team would still be interested in, if we lived
> closer and were competitive enough to be invited to attend) than in
> trying to promote the sport or advance the public's knowledge of
> observing.
thats the thing though, its not really "their product". arbitrating
ANY SPORT is a free market scenerio. I think the problem with you and
a lot of other people interested in seeing ultimate evolve is that you
feel you need someone to hold you hand thru the process.......point
is......ORGANIZE YOUR OWN OBSERVERS/REFS.........MAKE UP YOUR OWN
RULES AND HAND SIGNALS(or simply steal them). dont think you have to
wait for someone else to come along and walk you thru it......it aint
rocket science. just pay your observers a fair wage and they will
come. and the fact that you are paying them means you get to hold
them accountable. its really a very elementaty concept......refs in
sports. dont make it more complicated that it has to be.
Reggie Fanelli
On Jan 12, 9:02 pm, peps G <hpepstei...@gmail.com> wrote:
Throw
80 posts a month on rec.sport.disc.
UOA needs to step into the 21st century and make a hand signal video
for youtube.....and a website obviously. Here's a clip to get the UOA
creative juices flowing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAZcd5rdtM8
Later,
Lance Marput
"Your entertainment custodians since 2003."
Jason Weddle
You'd have to come to an observer training camp to get that.
We have a manual and we give that out at camp... we are also UOA
Observer Instructors. So when you come to an observer training camp
it's like you're in observer school. It's pretty cool.
Lance, don't talk to us about the 21st century with your crappy
website. I'd rather not have one if it looked like yours.
Sincerely,
Jason
UOA
ulticritic
> If we made a video it wouldn't be posted anywhere for free.
>
> You'd have to come to an observer training camp to get that.
ahhh, i think isee you guys angle now.......and can definitely
appreciate it.......as its obviously working
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>
> Lance, don't talk to us about the 21st century with your crappy
> website. I'd rather not have one if it looked like yours.
he's got ya there........i mean, i'd rather have no we site than rag
you guys boast
Throw
oh ulticritic, plz plz please don't throw us into that briar patch.
Lance & Co.
www.thisisultimate.com
ulticritic
> our website sucks?
>
> oh ulticritic, plz plz please don't throw us into that briar patch.
i think your throwing yourself into it.........but you basically do
that evey time you post a message.
huanga2
already on RSD and ways for people who can't attend UOA
trainings to get to know the UOA.
Going through RSD posts is way too time consuming for people
to find information.
You guys write enough as it is, why not just have an UOA
side forum?
Jason Weddle
> You guys write enough as it is, why not just have an UOA
> side forum?
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-- No.
Jason Weddle
> What about just a place to post general information that's
> already on RSD and ways for people who can't attend UOA
> trainings to get to know the UOA.
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-- A general Info web site.... if Mike agrees, we'll do it.....
someday.
huanga2
blogger or wordpress. Wouldn't take you more than 20 minutes
to set it up and put it on the web.
ulticritic
> You can easily set one up at one of the blogging sites like
> blogger or wordpress. Wouldn't take you more than 20 minutes
> to set it up and put it on the web.
wouldnt they reach a wider audience here?
jim
I am pretty sure the majority of ultimate players don't use
rec.sport.disc. I only started going on after I stopped playing.
I do find it odd that they say rec.sport.disc is the UOA website, then
when someone comes on rec.sport.disc to inquire about the UOA, a 12
year old kid comes on and says stop being nosey....huh? Make up your
mind.
Jason Weddle
>
> I am pretty sure the majority of ultimate players don't use
> rec.sport.disc.
-- guess again.
.
> I do find it odd that they say rec.sport.disc is the UOA website, then
> when someone comes on rec.sport.disc to inquire about the UOA, a 12
> year old kid comes on and says stop being nosey....huh? Make up your
> mind.
-- i say, keep the questions coming! We will do our best to answer all
question.
It's awesome that people are inquiring and want to know what is going
on with the UOA. The best way to get to know what's going on with the
UOA is to get involved!
Contact us if you are interested in observing and we will train your
local crew for leagues or tournaments!
huanga2
because they can buy everything they need in one store.
RSD is like the local hardware store, where you gotta look
for 20 minutes before getting what you need, and there's the
grouchy man behind the counter looking at you weird with a
shotgun in his hand.
All I'm saying is that it will be a benefit to the UOA to
have a place where people can go to find out BASIC
information such as who, what, where, when, and why.
This way the same question doesn't have to be answered half
a dozen times, no one will be thought nosey, and it will
make things A LOT easier for people who want to contribute
and participate to get more details.
Plus it costs nothing but a few minutes of your time.
Reggie Fanelli
> I do find it odd that they say rec.sport.disc is the UOA website, then
> when someone comes on rec.sport.disc to inquire about the UOA, a 12
> year old kid comes on and says stop being nosey....huh? Make up your
> mind.
---his questions were not any of his business.
his questions weren't about the UOA or what we are accomplishing.
what other fucking tournament director or observer in the world gets
posts asking if they have a bank account?
you can call me 12 years old all you want.
my replies are exactly in line with what i feel about his weird
questions.
Reggie Fanelli
> for 20 minutes before getting what you need, and there's the
> grouchy man behind the counter looking at you weird with a
> shotgun in his hand.
---and there's some twinkies dancing around writing goofy assed
questions and defending dumbassed questions that aren't any of their
business.
Reggie Fanelli
> have a place where people can go to find out BASIC
> information such as who, what, where, when, and why.
---how will it benefit the UOA to have an online place where people
can go to find out basic information about us?
huanga2
join, then they can ask you for more details.
Reggie Fanelli
> a dozen times, no one will be thought nosey, and it will
> make things A LOT easier for people who want to contribute
> and participate to get more details.
---why and how do you think it benefits the UOA to not be asked the
same question and to answer the same question as many times as it's
asked?
do you think that if the UOA had a website....that we'd post about the
drainage of our fields or the type of bank account, if any, that we
have?
i don't think that having a website or a blog would make it EASIER for
people to contribute and participate and get more details.
all they have to do is ask about the UOA...and what we're doing.
if you're interested in attending a UOA Observer Training Camp, you
are welcome to attend.
huanga2
Just tossing ideas out there.
Any training camps up here in NYC area?
Reggie Fanelli
> questions regarding what the UOA is and does, and specifically your
> Wilmington 8's tournament. maybe I could find the answers to these
> questions out myself with a little rsd-surfing, but i guess i'm just
> too lazy.
--ok......specifically your Wilmington 8s tournament.
perfect.
i would love to answer some questions about the Wilmington 8s
tournament.
i'd even love to answer some questions about our observing methods.
here we go...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 1) So firstly, what is the UOA exactly?
---the Ultimate Observer Association.
why do you ask?
are you interested in hiring us to observe your tournament?
are you interested in making the trip to wilmington to attend one of
our 4 tournaments?
are you interested in attending as an observer or athlete or team?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you guys a legit, fully
> incorporated organization or whatever with non-profit 501(3)c status?
---we're fully legit...but i don't see where the rest of your question
is any of your business...so...mind your own.
or...send me your pin number and we'll go from there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Or by "association" do you mean a group of closely associated people
> simply working together in unison to promote observing in the world of
> ultimate.
---"simply" working together?
i don't think it's simple at all.
working together...yes.
promoting observing...i guess.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In other words, if I were to write out a check to the "UOA"
> would you guys be able to cash it (in the same way that the UPA could
> cash a check made out to the "UPA")?
---send us a donation, yes.
or....no, we only accept cash entry fees for our tournaments.
and we only pay the observers in cash.
and we only bring cash to wal mart to get bananas and animal crackers.
why do you ask about this stuff?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 2) So i'm curious: what are the origins of these fields you're using
> for the Wilmington 8's (polo fields, county/state park fields, soccer
> fields)?
---you ask about the origins of the field.....and their current state
in the same question...
which do you want to know about...the origin or what it is now?
i'm sure you coud play polo on the field...but we're not hosting polo
games.
you could play soccer....but we're not organizing soccer tournaments.
we're hosting ultimate tournaments...ultimate frisbee...so the current
state of the fields...are ultimate fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How is it that these fields are available to you pretty much
> any weekend that you seem to garner enough interest for a tournament?
--that's how we roll????
we even use the fields when there isn't enough interest for a
tournament!
we play our spring and summer and winter leagues at the site...
but we actually hope to use a variety of sites this spring....maybe 4
different sites for our 4 tournaments.
why do you care?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Did the UOA purchase these fields and now own them? Are they owned by
> a close friend of Gerics or Reggie?
---why do you care?
do you want to make the trip?
there's only one spot remaining.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 3) Does the UOA have its own official website yet (don't send me the
> link to some blog either, that's not official)?
---you ask...but then don't want to know?
why isn't a blog official?
what's official?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is there anywhere
> online where I can find an "official" copy of the UOA's observing
> guidelines/rules (again: I'm not just talking about some blog that
> takes you 2 seconds to create)? I would like to read them if
> possible.....
--how long does it take to create a website that's 'legit' by your
standards?
what do you want to know about our guidelines and rules?
are you interested in attending an event?
are you interested in us working your tournament?
do you want us to come train your locals?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 4) What is the tournament fee for these Wilmington 8's tournaments?
--are you bringing your team?
seriously...WHY do you want to know the entry fee?
who are you REALLY?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Do they vary depending on which you are attending? Are you not
> posting a tournament fee because you're not charging anything?!....
---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 5) What's the drainage situation on these fields and how susceptible
> are they to rainouts like other sets of fields?
---haven't had a rain out yet.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of teams on the
> east coast had a LOT of tournaments canceled due intense rain last
> spring. Will the Wilmington 8's fields hold up better than, or have
> any advantage over, say, those shitty, shitty Roll Call fields during
> rain or those fields down at ECU for Ultimax which also got untimely
> rained out?
---i don't know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Or do they have any other advantage over your average
> fields
---YES!
these fields are host UOA events!
that's the huge advantage!
Reggie Fanelli
> how treat people that inquire about the UOA...
---ask the people who have actually contact us directly about the UOA
and attending or working our tournaments.
they seem to be treated pretty well based on their survey results and
comments about our tournaments.
people that inquire ABOUT the UOA and what we're doing are treated
quite well. ask around.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
anyway... i think the
> UOA is awesome, and keep up the good work... just chill out about
> people being curious
---i won't chill out.
Bobus
> can go to find out basic information about us?
If you have to ask, then you're the wrong person to lead the UOA.
But, then again, you're the same guy who's doesn't like to (or maybe
doesn't know how to) click on links - which is, well, the very
foundation of the intertubes. On top of being a luddite, you're also
an egotistical jerk. Huanga's hardware store analogy is spot on, and
you're the grouchy, weird man behind the counter. Continue to work
behind the scenes, but let Jason be the face of the UOA - you'll go a
a lot farther.
Reggie Fanelli
---and you're that twinkie dancing and prancing around the store
wondering where the pin wheels are.
so....eat some shit.
i can't help but lead the UOA....because...always will i lead, yo,
never will i follow.
still....no answer as to 'how will it benefit the UOA to have an
online place where people can go to find out basic information about
us'.....weird.
weird...because...people seem to know!
teams are filling up our events!
the UPA has gobbled up all our hand signals and most of our methods
already!
come on....how can it BENEFIT the uoa to have a website?
Reggie Fanelli
--naw toad!
we'd reach a wider audience hoping that someone randomly types the
letter UOA into google so that they can find a random UOA website that
tells them when our tournaments are and our experimental rules and
observer duties and hand signals....
jeesh.
how in the world could posting to the world ultimate newsgroup touch
more people than some url floating out in space somewhere?!?!?!??!
Reggie Fanelli
--damn dude.....start playing again, already!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I do find it odd that they say rec.sport.disc is the UOA website, then
> when someone comes on rec.sport.disc to inquire about the UOA, a 12
> year old kid comes on and says stop being nosey....huh? Make up your
> mind.
---jim, while we're talking about it...what's your bank account pin
number...and where is your account.
what's the origin of your front yard?
are you legit?
i mean...if you write me a check like the upa does, can i cash it?
are those the questions you want to answer when someone says, i'd like
to get to you, jim....?
ulticritic
> People like things simple. That's why they go to Walmart,
> because they can buy everything they need in one store.
i thought people wen there because its less expensive
>
> RSD is like the local hardware store, where you gotta look
> for 20 minutes before getting what you need, and there's the
> grouchy man behind the counter looking at you weird with a
> shotgun in his hand.
i would figure rsd would be the wallmart of this scenerio??? with
blogs representing non chain stores?
stevepetersonsmail
doesn't have a bunch of crappy products. They actually care
that you want to shop at their store and want to supply you
with the things you need. They have knowledgeable people
that care about the product instead of the typical bobble
head working at the big box store. They have to work harder
to stay in business so they provide better service and carry
higher quality goods. The Walmarts of the world just count
on volume and low cost. I'll go to the Craft American
hardware store rather than the Home Depot anytime. You
weirdos can hang out in the Walmart parking lot.
Peterson
ulticritic
wrote:
i thought the comp had more to do with how they were using th internet
to adertise.....as in, which is the best format......making the
analogy of rsd being the walmart of ultimte talk.
now if i were comping them to a retail type store i'd agree that they
are the local, small town, ulta experienced, high quality service
oriented product. Like if the upa was the macdonalds of burger
joints, the uoa would be PT's. both entitys formed by highly
experienced people with a great concept/vision that seemed to want to
"cut thruough the bullshit"(pt stands for "playing thru" from what ive
herd) and create their own joint....and just as jim is branching out
with other pt chain burger joints i'm sure mike/jason will be doing
the same with uoa events/observers while keeping the quality control
and the brand of the product 1rst rate. Its also similar in that both
products are very simplified and straightforward concepts that provide
more value, dollar for dollar, than the comp and offers consistant
quality. oh, and the observers would represent the kiiler double fried
season fries. its kinda wierd that , as far as i know, pts dosent use
any formal advertising either in promoting their product.....and the
place is always packed. spooky.
i will say, as a disclaimer, that i have no problem patronizing
lowes, home depot or macdonalds.
huanga2
be taken this far.
I was saying that looking for UOA info on RSD is like
fishing through the hardware store. There are tons of
helpful and knowledgeable people to help you out, but it is
disorganized and a little intimidating for the newcomer.
Whereas a dedicated UOA website would be like the wal-mart,
the one stop shop. Everything is laid out in order and you
don't need the help of a wal-mart employee to find
everything you need in the least amount of time.
You can always leave the UOA website URL as your signature
on RSD, that way anyone who sees your posts on RSD would
immediately know where to go. It's not a place floating in
the middle of cyberspace, it's a place that's linked to RSD
and to your posts.
--
http://thebestten.wordpress.com
Torre
huckbucket
for tax exemptions. Maybe he was inquiring to see if he could get some
tax benefits by donating being as if it was 501(c) then it would be
receiptable....
probably not though...
rsd has 4417 subscribers... lets say another 5000 (yes, exaggeration)
more read rsd currently... and even round the subscribers up to
5000...
so thats ten thousand.
upa just reached the 30,000 member mark.
a majority of ultimate players are not on rsd
at this point, a website probably wouldnt do anything.. so they are
right there.
Reggie Fanelli
> for tax exemptions. Maybe he was inquiring to see if he could get some
> tax benefits by donating
---i hope so!
i've been asking him to send us a check!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> so thats ten thousand.
> upa just reached the 30,000 member mark.
> a majority of ultimate players are not on rsd
---10,000 is close enough!
i bet that more folks go to rsd than to the upa site for
info....except for the actual tournament listing page.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> at this point, a website probably wouldnt do anything.. so they are
> right there.
--been saying that.
what's up with those weirdos?
Reggie Fanelli
On Jan 9, 10:17 pm, peps G <hpepstei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey UOA,
>
> SO, considering you've been so active on RSD lately, I have a few
> questions regarding what the UOA is and does, and specifically your
> Wilmington 8's tournament. maybe I could find the answers to these
> questions out myself with a little rsd-surfing, but i guess i'm just
> too lazy.
>
> 1) So firstly, what is the UOA exactly? Are you guys a legit, fully
> incorporated organization or whatever with non-profit 501(3)c status?
> Or by "association" do you mean a group of closely associated people
> simply working together in unison to promote observing in the world of
> ultimate. In other words, if I were to write out a check to the "UOA"
> would you guys be able to cash it (in the same way that the UPA could
> cash a check made out to the "UPA")?
>
> 2) So i'm curious: what are the origins of these fields you're using
> for the Wilmington 8's (polo fields, county/state park fields, soccer
> fields)? How is it that these fields are available to you pretty much
> any weekend that you seem to garner enough interest for a tournament?
> Did the UOA purchase these fields and now own them? Are they owned by
> a close friend of Gerics or Reggie?
>
> 3) Does the UOA have its own official website yet (don't send me the
> link to some blog either, that's not official)? Is there anywhere
> online where I can find an "official" copy of the UOA's observing
> guidelines/rules (again: I'm not just talking about some blog that
> takes you 2 seconds to create)? I would like to read them if
> possible.....
>
> 4) What is the tournament fee for these Wilmington 8's tournaments?
> Do they vary depending on which you are attending? Are you not
> posting a tournament fee because you're not charging anything?!....
>
> 5) What's the drainage situation on these fields and how susceptible
> are they to rainouts like other sets of fields? A lot of teams on the
> east coast had a LOT of tournaments canceled due intense rain last
> spring. Will the Wilmington 8's fields hold up better than, or have
> any advantage over, say, those shitty, shitty Roll Call fields during
> rain or those fields down at ECU for Ultimax which also got untimely
> rained out? Or do they have any other advantage over your average
> fields either (like maybe the fields don't have that great of drainage
> either, but the owner is much more lenient than your average
> University with its own fields in allowing them to get torn to
> shit)?.....
>
> thank you!
>
> ~eppy