New Year's Fest vs Trouble in Vegas
Ultimator
NYF attendee, I was disappointed to see lack of attendance this year
around compared to previous years. Still a good turnout but lots of
top Div I clubs and womens clubs were a no show. With Vegas now taking
over as the pre-eminent beginning of the year ultimate tourny, is NYF
going to be relegated to a minor second-tier tournament? If they're
around the same time, teams will pick one or the other and Vegas is
sure to win out.
I'd hate to see that happen but I don't know if NYF can compete with
Vegas. Any thoughts from former NYFers who went to Vegas this past
weekend to confirm if what I'm saying is true?
Ultimator
dsb
after being pretty disappointed with the talent at tempe last year.
The talent at vegas was pretty spread out, and a lot of teams, um,
handicapped themselves the nights/mornings before the games. But it
was pretty competitive. Nothing like the infamous condams team from
last year at tempe, but I'll call that a plus. I'd say both
tournaments (vegas this year and tempe last year) had lower talent
then NYF like 3-4 years ago.
Vegas was well run, teams surprisingly managed to show up for their
games and everything, I could complain about seedings cause my team
happened to get screwzored but how the heck do you seed a tourney like
this anyway? And the overall experience was of course MUCH MUCH more
fun, but what can you say, vegas is vegas and tempe is tempe.
Oh yeah, this goes for the open div, which ended up being combined
alumni and non alumni teams. From what I saw of womens it was
comparable talent wise to tempe last year. I didn't watch any coed.
If they were different weekends I would have probably still gone to
both, but I think I'd stick with vegas presented with the same choice
next year.
Oh and cause nobody has said anything yet the Iceholes (wisconsin
alums with a sprinkling of CU and chico alums from what I can tell)
won over Dubweiser (u-dub alums) in the open finals, something like
15-12 or 15-13. Dunno bout them other divisions.
winter...@hotmail.com
Skippy, you know I like you and would play with you again anytime, but
this is straight up douchebaggery.
Ultimate players all are so high minded about everything and claim to
love tradition and fair play. But when it comes to being traditional
and going to a tourney that just had its 25th annual running, what do
half the people do? Go to Vegas, where they make bad calls and still
complain that people are cheating against them. Good for Tempe, still
holding up its end of the bargain and getting 40 men's and women's
teams out there! Here's to the old school - Tempe - one of the only
tourneys left WITHOUT a co-ed division. That is awesome.
So for people that went to vegas, here's what you missed in AZ:
Awesome road trip from LA.
Met the boys at airport, rolled to hotel
Partied all night at hotel
Played ultimate
Partied on the fields
Partied in room
Partied in hot tub
Partied at Sammy's
Partied at the Party
Partied at the Library
Partied in room
Played ultimate
Won the tourney
Partied on the fields
Awesome road trip home.
Why oh why would I need to be in Vegas to do that? If I wanted to go
see strippers, they have strip clubs in Tempe. And if I wanted to
gamble, then, I don't go to frisbee tourneys, I go to gamble!
Corey
Ps - I also know ulty players are cheap ass tightwads - how did that
$30 per player fee hit your wallets? Any of you alumni teams with 20
players happy about your $600 team fees? Hope you got enough
enjoyment out of it, knowing you helped to pay for Cultimate's flights
to Kaimana!
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Porter
that sprawling lifesize legoland city sucks. NYF is a fun tournament.
TiV is more fun. Only complaint is that the party in Vegas is pretty
lame. But you're there with friends so go party with them anyway.
The reason the party sucked is because the hourly tab that our 30
bucks went to ran out at about 10 minutes after it started every hour.
but the free drinks that came from the tables and the winnings made up
for the lame party.
winter...@hotmail.com
pretty much the same as to phoenix, so i have no clue what you are
talking about there. It's 5 hours thru the desert in a car from
anywhere, just like tempe.
i'll give you vegas looks better from the outside, but once in the
casino, they are identical when you are on the gaming floor, just
different wagering amounts. Did you guys spend a lot of time driving
around looking at architecture this tourney? Man, how do I get on
that team, they sound super fun!
So you spent $30 per PLAYER and you got a few bagels and maybe 1 free
drink at the party? Sounds like my point - why not go play ulimate at
Tempe, then on some other weekend, go to vegas to party in vegas?
CS
Porter
faster to fly in to vegas. so the tournament fee is a little high, but
it's not that big of a deal compared to higher ticket prices. there
are always specials to fly in to vegas from almost every city at any
time.
i wasn't talking about sightseeing. i was talking about ease of
driving to and from different places. and yeah all the casino's look
alike once you're sitting at the tables but my vacation budget is
pretty much my tournament budget so when i get a chance to mix the
two, i do. so, yeah i'll take vegas over tempe most days. it's hard to
get our alumnit team all in one place anymore. so we pick the fun town
with the fun tournament with the lowest traveling costs. the party was
lame, yes. but parties do not an ultimate tournament make. when flying
to a tournament i'm looking to make the most out of it and i think i
made the right decision.
trtr...@gmail.com
they lost at the tables than a 30 dollar tournament fee. Tournament
was well run and fun, but alittle disapointed there were no prize to
the victors, but I still plan on attending next year. Good job Skip.
Triple T
Hodag Alum
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dar
i've been to both and indeed, figure my opinion to be what matters
most. first, let me speak of your vegas. fields suck more than nyf.
can't argue that. the strip...yeah, it's a lively bunch but damn,
there are way too many of them bastards, all millin' about, to concern
yourself with. they're the filth of the earth and i prefer to not
associate myself with such scummery. i'm betting the walking tour is
excellent (and it sounds like the driving tour ain't bad either), if
you're not tripping while you're doing it. i've only done that walk
under the later circumstances and it ain't worth it. thirdly, vegas
and ultimate really get in the way of each other. for instance, say
your team decides not to show up at all on sunday morning, not that
it's a plausible occurence in vegas and not that i know three duders
who experienced that very scenario, but just say that would happen --
why bother with the ultimate in the first place? and then there's the
bats....i don't think i need to go into detail about the bats.
new years fest. a nice little run of 25 years of service. not bad.
probably the nicest car rental hub in the nation. i think i speak for
the world when i say that. the strippers are there if you want them,
and i have reliable knowledge that the ladies in tempe/scottsdale are
very capable of their work and do it with a touch of class, littered
with love. spend 20 minutes in a tempe or vegas stripclub, and you
won't know or care whether it's vegas or tempe. the country inn and
suites...did your room have an iron? our's did. so did the room next
to ours, and the room upstairs. had a fridge too, with a nice smoking
lounge to one corner of the room, not the bedroom but the suite
attached to it, with an on-deck chair, and vaporizer included. your
vegas room have all that? how bout sweet ladies bringin' you more
alcohol when the room was gettin' low? yeah, we had that too.
how about an in-and-out burger? where was your closest in-and-out
burger in vegas? far huh. sucks. i know of at least two locations
near the fields in tempe....neither of which i stopped to trade
dollars for burgers, cause my teammates were good teammates and
brought much more liquor to be drunk on the sidelines, making driving
a poor decision. who needs food when you're drinking. hell, i don't
need food when i'm done drinking and i can give you 8 witnesses that
will confirm that fact.
here's what $30 got me for the weekend: tourney fee. surfers on acid
on the sideline all day saturday. sandwiches and food, that if you're
into eating, are delicious. eggplant t-shirt with sick iron-on logos
by some genius duder. meat and veggie lasagna. two plates full, with
side salads. 7.5% mircobrew 5 feet from me and next to the pool i'll
be swimmin' in next year. 52" rock sessions and a prodigy who could
play behind his head and still beat you by 40,000 points and run off
85 straight notes without thinking about it. your host show you his
aquarium? yeah, saw one of those too. bet you had to pack your chair
for the tournament. oh, didn't have one? yeah, i had trouble
deciding which chair i wanted to sit in, and that was after i got
beyond the rocker or no rocker decision. shade? had that too, but it
was just one more choice to think about...and i didn't have to bring
any of that. it was just there for me. vegas doubled down on its
shade in a casino...and lost.
sure, vegas has later start times. sweet. our first game on sunday
was at 11:30am.....and we lost a game on saturday. that kinda thing
is by design. it's the nature of the beast really. when i played my
last game, the good peopel of tempe were nice enough to hand over a
barrel of beers for our refreshment. sammy got a free ride to the
sidelines on the shoulders of victory. symon, sammy's high school aged
son, got heckled in the finals from the sideline, while he was playing
the first of his 5 finals points. he was heckled by a guy who should
have been in vegas, looking for soap. he was shutting down dump cuts
and running with guys deep...all while sporting his mullet. why?
cause champions do what they want. i think corey covered all the party
details. refer back to that for clarity.
i wish tempe had lured a few more of my friends to attend, but they'll
be back. these things just work themselves out. they always do. i
left my trust in tempe, probably right next to my lasagna on the
wall. but i know it'll be there when i return. and on the other side
of that wall is a title defense, with opportunity to play worse and
drink more. i don't know how you turn that kinda chance down.
so, next year, when the planning committee gets together, leave town,
come to tempe and spend the weekend in the comfort of dar. if it
turns out that we're not getting along, your welcome to leave.
dar.
Fetch
the hardest fields I have ever been on and that is the sole reason I
don't go back. Not a fan of the Corp. Ulty thing but, I can't say
that the tournament's are bad either. I just want to play.
Adam Tarr
$30, for a club tournament, in the context of total weekend expenses,
is not worth complaining about. I earned that back that a few times
over at the poker tables.
The tournament was well run - clearly posted schedule/format, kept
things on schedule, nice spread of food, regulation fields, plenty of
portajohns, plenty of water. I would have liked a couple more water
spigots so that you could get water faster during bye rounds, but
that's about the only complaint I have. The fields are not plush, but
they are fine. I think they were better this year than last year.
Oh, by the way Dar, the in-and-out is off Tropicana just across I-15,
and there's another one off 215 on the way to the fields. Some others
too, but those are the one's I've been to.
My only two complaints about TiV of any significance are:
1) Stratosphere. Plusses: Incredible view of Vegas. Iconic location
for a tournament. Cheaper rooms than the other headline hotel/
casinos. Minus: really effin' far from the main portion of the
strip. Nobody is going to walk that at 10PM after the pre-party.
Personally, I'd rather the tournament central be at a "b" casino, as
long as it is on Las Vegas Boulevard between the Wynn and Mandalay
Bay. Someplace like Casino Royale or Imperial Palace or even the
Tropicana.
On that note, if there was somewhere on the strip where you could
actually host a party with wholesale alcohol, that would be great.
Otherwise, just lose the bar tab, it's not worth it.
2) 15 teams in mixed. It's not your fault the format was sketchy,
but it is your fault that there were 15 teams, which made the format
sketchy. My team only lost to the finalists, and we finished seventh.
Bottom line - any time I can go to Vegas, play poker, eat prime rib
and Alaskan king crab legs, and play ultimate, that's a good weekend.
Yeah, I could spend twice as much on plane tickets and do both on
seperate weekends. But why?
winter...@hotmail.com
> and Alaskan king crab legs, and play ultimate, that's a good weekend.
> Yeah, I could spend twice as much on plane tickets and do both on
> seperate weekends. But why?
Yeah, those all sound great - let's move Nationals to Vegas too! I
could spend twice as much on plane tickets and do both on separate
weekends, but why not get my natties and my poker in and kill two
birds with one stone? Everyone keeps making my point, and clearly I
am in the minority so I guess it's their point too.
I don't want to do all those things on the same weekend.
Skips and Co. clearly run a great tourney and I'm happy for them that
it's been successful so far and only going to get bigger. Sure, I
think it's a little bogus that they jumped on Tempe's weekend, but
this is America and the free market will dictate what lives and what
dies. And I also have no problems with them making some scratch,
especially while it's all on the up and up and everyone knows what
they are doing.
But I will say this - Zippo would have kicked the crap out of any team
that was in Vegas. Our team was STACKED. So if you wanna play a
bunch of decent teams, go to Vegas. If you want to play against an
amazing team - come to Tempe and see if you can knock us down.
Corey
La Maldad
> But I will say this - Zippo would have kicked the crap out of any team
> that was in Vegas. Our team was STACKED. So if you wanna play a
> bunch of decent teams, go to Vegas. If you want to play against an
> amazing team - come to Tempe and see if you can knock us down.
>
> Corey
Corey, you were tied at 11s in finals vs Mamabird.
It took all those Colorado club studs and friends a game vs. their own
farm system team to finally win NYF for the first time.
Stacked, sure, like a late-stage Jenga game. Don't let the tourney
victory go to your head just yet.
Hh
Byron Hicks
scheduling. We had to find a date that would work for us with our other
tournaments plus work around the Super Bowl and NBA All-Star which are in
Vegas in February. Last year we had the inaugural TiV on Super Bowl weekend
and it was murder trying to get things get done. We needed a date that would
let us get Club Vegas and College Vegas together in short time span. There
is no way we could go later since that pushes into college tournaments that
we have committed to running.
I don't know when the date for Tempe was published but we were finalizing
our dates in the early summer. It's not like we were gunning for NYF. The
fact that there were 40 teams at Tempe and 43 teams at TiV shows that there
is room for more than one tournament on any given date.
Sorry this is kind of jumbled I am still a little burned out from this past
weekend.
Byron Hicks
Cultimate Inc.
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new digital camera & phone so you can throw him in the pool at
nationals again this year. doh!
scpo...@hotmail.com
Good to see that ZippO won NYF this year. I wish I could have said
that last year! I guess you guys were probably a bit better off this
year without me throwing all those turnovers in the finals last year.
I played at Vegas this year with some of my old teammates at FSU on a
reunion team. I will have to say that I enjoyed both tourneys a lot,
but have to give the edge to NYF,at least from my great experience
playing in the tourney last year.
Vegas was a good tourney, but it just would have been really nice to
get some free drinks at the vegas tourney party saturday night.I know
others were able to be at the bar at the right time, but either way
there weren't enough free ones to go around.
Stephen
looking to reunite with ZippO in the future
winter...@hotmail.com
Well, I know you're one of Bravo's bench butt buddies. Yet you
probably were your team's best player (there - Madison's best grad,
Matt Bruss, was in Tempe) this past weekend, and that's with not even
not arriving at the fields on Sunday (I know all about you, sucka!),
so it seemed pretty obvious we'd have crushed you guys with all of
Bravo's starters.
We were just funning with the kids to give them some hope going into
the Spring Season.
CS
Leonardo
yeah, i saw the finals at NYF, first time since 97 i've made it out...
but from my perspective, the ND alum team won 15-3 over Dingwop. In
the unrivaled, unparalleled SEVEN team Div I, ZippO squeaked out a win
over Mamabird by muscling out the college kids on the mark
I can't speak of Vegas because I havent been, but the freedom to drink
copious amounts of beer in cans at NYF on the fields is a definite
plus. The ND team went through 2 kegs at a house party Friday and
Saturday night and 5 cases on the fields Sunday. Thats a good thing,
especially when the undergrads were driving to the In-N-Out to supply
the Double-Doubles
NYF has a long, proud history of innovative rule changes. Maybe next
year they will bust out the 8 second stall count
La Maldad
> Well, I know you're one of Bravo's bench butt buddies. Yet you
> probably were your team's best player (there - Madison's best grad,
> Matt Bruss, was in Tempe) this past weekend, and that's with not even
> not arriving at the fields on Sunday (I know all about you, sucka!),
> so it seemed pretty obvious we'd have crushed you guys with all of
> Bravo's starters.
I was not the team's best player, but I contributed the most to our
team on the field. Due to my contribution of 12 tasty chocolates to
the team, most of them were cashed out so early saturday night that we
were fresh as could be Sunday morning.
However, with such a valiant contribution, there had to be
sacrifices. I willingly gave myself to the jaws of the city so that
others might live. And win.
Matt Bruss madison's best grad? Though he proved no one takes a
beating quite like him, he's still got some growing to do.
Unfortunately the doctors said the damage to the cortex might have
forever stunted that growth.
Aren't there nublie 13 year olds in your office you're ignoring? Tend
to them, sir.
Hh
Sun's Rising on a
La Maldad
> probably were your team's best player (there - Madison's best grad,
> Matt Bruss, was in Tempe) this past weekend, and that's with not even
> not arriving at the fields on Sunday (I know all about you, sucka!),
> so it seemed pretty obvious we'd have crushed you guys with all of
> Bravo's starters.
I was not the team's best player, but I contributed the most to our
am...@dana.ucc.nau.edu
> yeah, i saw the finals at NYF, first time since 97 i've made it out...
> but from my perspective, the ND alum team won 15-3 over Dingwop. In
> the unrivaled, unparalleled SEVEN team Div I, ZippO squeaked out a win
> over Mamabird by muscling out the college kids on the mark
>
15-3 huh? Pretty impressive.
Why don't you make it an EIGHT team Div I next year and see how many
15-3 wins you get...