South Open Reginols
McCargo
So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
this year...
Rankings up for debate:
1 Chain
2 Doublewide
3 Tanasi
4 El Diablo
5 For the Story
6 Grit
7 Uproar
8 Ironmen
9 Florda
10 Cottenmouth
11 Black Angus
12 Seuss
13 Vicious Cycle
14 Turbodog
15 Riverside 1
16 ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
McCargo
Roca Dope
>
> - Show quoted text -
FTS > El Diablo
Steven Zittrower
I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
would look like this.
1 Chain
2 Doublewide
3 Tanasi
4 El Diablo
5 For the Story
6 Uproar
7 Grit
8 Ironmen
9 Florda
10 Black Angus
11 Seuss
12 Cottonmouth
13 Vicious Cycle
14 Turbodog
15 Riverside 1
16 ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
That gives the following matchups for the first round
1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
second round matchups
1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).
McCargo
Cole Sullivan
florida should be third. these rankings are bullshit
markham
you are bad at frisbee.
do work tanasi
huckinterrapin
> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss.
Cottonmouth over Black Angus @ Heatout down in Baton Rouge.
Seuss over Cottonmouth @ Texas2Finger in Dallas.
Alex Hill
sport is that no one is bad and everyone is really really good?!?!
Mimmo
> Hey how dare you come after Cole like that! I thought the point of our
> sport is that no one is bad and everyone is really really good?!?!
except me
Steven Zittrower
Oh, that isn't on score reporter. Anyhow here's how I see it.
Seuss 2-0 vs. Black Angus (Texas2Finger, Aug and Texas Sectionals,
Sept)
Seuss 1-0 vs. Cottonmouth (Texas2Finger, Aug)
Cottonmouth 1-0 vs. Angus (Heatout, July)
According to you, Cottonmouth beat Angus at Heatout (I don't doubt
this at all). Unfortunately, Angus has to be seeded higher than Seuss
or I'd just have Seuss higher than both of these teams since they have
h2h wins over both and zero losses. I guess I can see arguments for
both sides.
Joe Segal
> florida should be third. these rankings are bullshit
I only know of two things named "Cole S." One of them is full of
mayonnaise and cabbage. The other is Cole Slaw.
Justin Burk
Assumptions:
- Section Strength Order: East Coast, Texas, Florida, Gulf Coast
- I'm only using results that are either shown on score-reporter or
presented in this thread
1. Chain
Win at heatout, chesapeake
2. DW
Second place finishes at heatout (loss to chain), colorado cup, and
labor day.
3. Tanasi
Wins over most of the other major teams in the region: Pike, Florida,
Vicious, Cottonmouth, Grit, Iron Men, Duel, Overthrow, Diablo (twice).
4. Diablo
Mixed results, but wins over Madison Club, Sons of Liberty, X-Rates,
Duel (x2), and Overthrow. Note, putting them here means ALL of the
east coast qualifiers are seeded higher than the other 11 teams (seeds
5-16, unless Duel is the 16th seed).
5. For The Story (FTS)
Mixed results, with wins over Vicious, Overthrow, Uproar, and
Florida. 1st place in FL section. Could move to #4 based on
sectionals placement, but its a poor argument given Diablo's quality
wins.
6. Grit
Mixed results, wins over Cottonmouth, Suess (2-1), Pike, Mephisto,
Angus. Note Grit loss to Sons of Liberty in common opponents with
Diablo.
> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar.
Can you elaborate on your support is for this assertion. Grit has
quality wins at Chesapeake, and, as far as I can tell from score-
reporter, Uproar does not. Furthermore, Grit is a 2nd place finisher
in what is frankly a stronger section than Florida this year (see DW,
Grit, Suess at colorado cup, chesapeake, and labor day). IMO, you
can't defend this position without more evidence.
note: my judgement of the FL section is also based on the fact that
there is no clear cut team that has definitively competed outside of
southeast tournaments, i.e. equivlent to ronin 2008
7. Uproar
Mixed results, wins over Vicious and Florida at sectionals. Very few
results on score-reporter. little evidence to seed them higher than
this. Someone could likely make an argument for putting them below
Iron Men.
8. Iron Men
Poor results early, but good results late. 1st in gulf coast section
may not be highly valued by most, but it is still a 1st place finish.
This puts them at the top of the bottom half of the tournament, IMO.
9. Florida
Like Uproar, very few results on score-reporter. Good wins at
southers in June against Overthrow and FTS. Lack of out of section
wins and 3rd place finish in a florida section suffering from a weak
year makes it hard to justify a harder seeding.
10. Cottenmouth
11. Angus
12. Suess
Based on H2H, 10-12 should be Suess, Cottonmouth, Angus. However,
Suess finishes lower than Angus at sectionals. Therefore, by default,
10-12 must be Cottonmouth, Angus, Suess? This is really an injustice
to Suess. I don't know what the right way to handle it would be, but
suess' 2nd place finish at Co Cup (open division) and win at Tx2Finger
should lend them credibility.
13. Vicious Cycle
Doesn't look like vicious has any quality wins this year. Losses to
Uproar, Florida, FTS, Tanasi, Overthrow.
14. Turbodog
15. Riverside
Turbodog should be above Riverside with H2H at the 14/15 spots, but
(like the 10/11 spots), if you switch them then you eliminate the
first round inter-section matchup between riverside & DW.
16. (TBD)
Duel seems to be the obvious choice here. Don't know anything about
them, but their wins against Overthrow + 4th place finish in the
hardest section in the South region lend their team alot of credibilty
for the 16 spot.
In summary:
1. Chain
2. DW
3. Tanasi
4. Diablo
5. FTS
6. Grit
7. Uproar
8. Iron Men
9. Florida
10. Cottenmouth
11. Angus
12. Suess
13. Vicious
14. Turbo
15. Riverside
16. (TBD, Duel?)
Justin Burk
Grit #11
Rich
I'm not sure what the rules say about teams that get 'unaccepted' bids
to regionals in regard to their seeding. In this case, had Duel
qualified (and they would have if not for the rain/change of location/
teams bailing in the East Coast), they'd have a legit argument to be
seeded 8/9/10ish. If they have to be seeded 16th because they are the
'last team in', then that's going to have a significant impact on the
backdoor bracket.
patri...@gmail.com
that was not a fluke. If Diablo is #4 then Duel should be somewhere in
the middle. I'm not sure Diablo should be #4, but...
At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
Men right away anyway.
Relying on results from Southerns is pretty silly. The teams at that
tournament bore little or no resemblance to their current
incarnations.
> backdoor bracket.- Hide quoted text -
Mimmo
Unfunny...way to win the section FTS, although I heard about the
finals and what those rascals from Gainesville did, so you can't feel
too confident...but a win's a win!
brndon
wrote:
> At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> Men right away anyway.
That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
McCargo
Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
team from another section in this situation.
rip
Duel at 16th is definitely too low. Seuss is probably under-ranked if
they bring their full roster.
Stu's definitely got his work cut out for him settling all these
middle-tier teams into the 'right' spot.
CBrowning
have any idea how long it takes things to dry out after the kind of
rain ATL has got? Am I going to be driving to Statesboro again?
brndon
> > > At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> > > lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> > > sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> > > Men right away anyway.
>
> > That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
> > seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
> > Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
>
> Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
> section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
> If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
> team from another section in this situation.
Well, since we're getting crazy how about this:
Iron Men beat Cottonmouth at Sectionals, who beat Ruckus in Chicago,
who beat Duel at Swill.
McCargo
If Cotton had won the Gulf Coast section over Ironmen I would have put
Cotton over Dual. Cotton's loss at sectionals shows that the team is
not consistent (weak) and there for they get ranked lower. Coupled
with the fact that early season results (Swill - Aug 1st) are less
important than a tourney that happen 3 weeks ago. Dual went 0-fer at
Swill as it was a tryout tourney for them. They should have been Dual-
X in the score reporter.
brndon
> If Cotton had won the Gulf Coast section over Ironmen I would have put
> Cotton over Dual. Cotton's loss at sectionals shows that the team is
> not consistent (weak) and there for they get ranked lower. Coupled
> with the fact that early season results (Swill - Aug 1st) are less
> important than a tourney that happen 3 weeks ago. Dual went 0-fer at
> Swill as it was a tryout tourney for them. They should have been Dual-
> X in the score reporter.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Rob
At Swill, Duel was playing such a mishmash of players, many of whom
were put on Duel's B team, Glove Slap. I may have a bias here, but
Duel took half 8-6, and was 2 points away from taking Diablo's spot,
and Diablo currently is looking like the 4 seed. Looking at how they
played at Shawn, going to the finals, and how they played at
Sectionals, I think if they get the 16 seed, they're going to ruin a
lot of people's days in the backdoor. *(Make your backdoor jokes here)
*
Cavernous Caverns.
Torre
> Duel took half 8-6, and was 2 points away from taking Diablo's spot,
> and Diablo currently is looking like the 4 seed.
If you don't penalize diablo for their "almost" loss to Duel should
Duel be rewarded for "almost" beating them?
Rob
If the argument is that Diablo should be docked points for almost
losing to a Duel team, a team that I am saying is a very strong team
based on recent tournament performances, then fine.
But would you then move Diablo below FTS? Or Grit? FTS's schedule
shows only games against Florida teams, as far as I can tell. And
while that's sufficient for a team like Duel, who should be considered
for a spot between 9-13, I think the 4 seed is a hard argument for
FTS. Diablo has a credible record with wins against area teams (like
Duel and Smokeshack) and big wins at big tournaments (like Madison
Club and Sons of Liberty in Chesapeake).
Looks like FTS has only played Florida teams. Literally, their only
wins against non-Florida teams were in June against Overthrow and MUD.
Therefore, with Diablo legitimately placed in 4th, my original
argument remains in place - Duel should be considered for the 9-13
seeds. Perhaps the 13 to rematch Diablo vs Duel? Besides, not much
difference switching Diablo and FTS - they'll see each other early
anyway.
I'm not sayin' FTS isn't a legit team, and I'm sure they'll bring it
at regionals. I'm just sayin'...
F-ing Cavernous...
-Robu
Rob
should just keep my thoughts to myself.
Hope to see the gold shorts in ATL.
Mimmo
Those guys are gross
Thomas
wrote:
> would look like this.
>
> 1 Chain
> 2 Doublewide
> 3 Tanasi
> 4 El Diablo
> 5 For the Story
> 7 Grit
> 8 Ironmen
> 9 Florda
> 10 Black Angus
> 11 Seuss
> 12 Cottonmouth
> 13 Vicious Cycle
> 14 Turbodog
> 15 Riverside 1
> 16 ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
>
> 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> second round matchups
> 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.
A
results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
know it?
> I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
A
his various toadies. not that spelling or grammar has anything to do
with anything. just how people perceive you, which seems to be the
whole crux of his refs/dancing girls arguement
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Leefus
I'm sober and have a legitimate question:
If Duel gets the 16th bid and another team drops their bid (say the
lowest TX team to receive one), then how is it determined to which
team that dropped bid goes to?
Torre
i think there are decimal numbers somewhere that are used to
determine this.
Browning
>
> If Duel gets the 16th bid and another team drops their bid (say the
> lowest TX team to receive one), then how is it determined to which
>
> - Show quoted text -
This link below shows how the bid allocation is supposed to work:
Keith Larsen
Texas2Finger.
First off, if your team doesn't have results on store reporter this is
your fault. I created the Heatout tournament on score reporter and let
reporting open and teams didn't fill in their own results. Also you
don't have to be at a tournament to fill in a match up on score
report, just put in you played "Team X" on a date to a score and we
can use that for seeding.
Incomplete results is your teams fault.
Second off, wins outside of the series are great, but loses at
sectionals are more substantial. Grit's loss to Tubgirl hurts.
Third off, last years results have to be factored in also, Grit over
Ronin and Iron Men last year should yield a higher seeding and Diablo
making Nationals MUST keep them above For the Story
Fourth, seeding should be the best ranking possible and avoiding
sectional rematches should never push a team to a lower ranking. That
being said the follow seeding only has 1 sectional rematch in the
first round (Grit vs. Angus), and no sectional rematches in quarters
if seed holds.
My seeding looks like this:
1. Chain
2. Dub
3. Tanasi
4. Diablo
5. Story
6. Grit (Swap with Uproar, if we can get some more heatout results
from Uproar...)
7. Uproar
8. Iron Men
9. Florida (better game against Tanasi than Iron Men, given historical
results I'd give Iron Men the 8... they play in the first game though)
10. Duel (Closer games with high seeds)
11. Angus (0-2 against Seuss but placed higher at sectionals
somehow...)
12. Seuss
13. Cotton (0-5 against Series teams from other sections: Grit, Seuss,
Riffraff, Tubgirl, Tanasi)
14. Vicious (Who are these guys? Doesn't seem like the historical
Vicious team...)
15. Turbo (Score reporter shows a Forfeit to Cottonmouth at
Sectionals... if this is right they won't be in Altanta)
16. Crude (rumor is the TX bid is passed down to them)
-Keith
rip
> 15. Turbo (Score reporter shows a Forfeit to Cottonmouth at
> Sectionals... if this is right they won't be in Altanta)
Forfeit by Turbo was allowed per format rules since:
1. It was the last game of the tournament for both teams
2. Both teams were guaranteed to advance to regionals as the 2nd and
3rd in final standings
3. Neither team wished to play the game
otherwise you seem to be on firm ground in your reasoning......imo
Jack Dupell
the scores. Our only loss was to Doublewide in the Semis (Damn you
Trick and your scoober dumps).
Grit...are those the boys from UNT? KRich, DRich, doc and the gang?
Looking forward to playing you guys again.
Jack Dupell
UpRoar
Jack Dupell
Ronin at Hypothermia.
Keith Larsen
wrote:
> Also, if we are taking last year's results into account...We beat
> Ronin at Hypothermia.
Did you not play Tanasi? I copied the pools from the Heatout website,
it looks like they might have been changed on the fly at the
tournament and I never fixed them [since I wasn't there]. I was hoping
to use this common opponent. To me it's a toss up between Uproar and
Grit for 6th...
Considering Grit has been seeded '06: 5th, '07: 8th, '08: 8th and
finished 5th,7th,5th respectively I think they deserve a little more
respect on seeding this year.
Thanks for clearing that up Rip, didn't realize that Forfeit was
allowed, I saw that in a 2nd/3rd game in another sectionals and was a
little confused.
Browning
minute and pools were completely redone. Tanasi and UpRoar did not
play.
Justin Burk
http://www.dallasunited.org/grit/gritroster (note, a couple of guys
have dropped off the roster since the time this was put together).
Keith, thanks for providing Grit's past results in your post. I
failed to include that in my prior post regarding grit's seeding.
Also, i didn't mean to imply that Duel was attending or invited to
attend regionals in my initial post. As far as I know they have not
been approached by the ROC. Someone with more information than me
would have to confirm or disconfirm their status. I only brought them
up as my question regarding the apparent missing team per the initial
post to this topic.
I can confirm that Crude is taking Riverside's spot.
Justin Burk
Grit #11
Gray
Joe Segal
> 14. Vicious (Who are these guys? Doesn't seem like the historical
> Vicious team...)
Yeah, some years they're good, some years they're not as good. It's a
vicious cycle.
Mimmo
You know...I wouldn't expect a whole lot from FTS at regionals...they
only beat an 8 man Florida team 13-7. A team comprised of 4 players
that had never played organized ultimate before (EVER)... 2 others
have played for only one year ... the remaining 2 made the Florida A-
team the previous week after not being on it before (all the others
went to watch the UF vs UT game)...at one point it was tied and an FTS
captain was heard yelling "We've worked too hard to lose to a bunch of
dickwads in the finals"
Vicious has historically been comprised of the top players from UF
that join up with the older more experienced former UF players, and
baller gainesvillians. The younger guys are doing their own thing,
and a lot of the older guys are getting old and soft (and really
weren't that good anyways (Palmer)) and gaining sympathy baby weight
(congrats everyone btw). So Vicious is now composed of a middle group
of Gainesvillians and former UF players, too old for college (mostly)
and too young to be old and bad (mostly (Jia)).
I don't know why Joe, but I don't like you, and you get my blood
boiling...
Joe Segal
Mimmo, why do you have to be such a tool all the time?
and it was 13-6
bro...@ufl.edu
damn our noobs are good
Mimmo
>
> Mimmo, why do you have to be such a tool all the time?
A tool? What kind of tool am I joe? And who exactly is wielding me?
I just don't like shit or bad jokes being aimed at my
friends...they're much too cool and thoughtful to have to deal with
that.
> and it was 13-6
Oh, my bad then...you crushed them.
Roca Dope
let the scores speak louder than your text... you weren't there Mimmo.
FTS is 2-0 against VC. we MIGHT have saw a different score and a
different game if your fellow gainesvillians showed up... but they
didnt. "If the queen had balls, she'd be king." The team isn't called
Brodie and Friends, its Florida. A win is a win and if you are really
that sour about it, then tell them next time to show up and play.
Nut Up or Shut Up please.
Torre
Does it really matter?
no one is beating chain/double this year.
H
> Does it really matter?
> no one is beating chain/double this year.
bump
CC
seedings for the middle teams? Did Duel take their bid?
-CC
3jane.
I don't know anything about FL sectional Ultimate rivalries but I
appreciate your returning rsd to its original and proper purpose,
talking shit about other teams, very well done. Good luck to
everybody this weekend.
Mimmo
> let the scores speak louder than your text... you weren't there Mimmo.
> FTS is 2-0 against VC. we MIGHT have saw a different score and a
> different game if your fellow gainesvillians showed up... but they
> didnt. "If the queen had balls, she'd be king." The team isn't called
> Brodie and Friends, its Florida. A win is a win and if you are really
> that sour about it, then tell them next time to show up and play.
>
> Nut Up or Shut Up please.
Roca, you ignorant slut.
You have convoluted two of my points into one...Vicious and Florida
are different teams are they not? At no point did I say "FTS wouldn't
have beaten vicious if..." Yeah I just re-read it...doesn't say
anything like that. I actually didn't say Florida would have won
either...hmm...
A dude had asked what the deal was with vicious, and all the
explaining about vicious was answering that question plus me making
fun of Palmer. But good reading comprehension on your part.
Sour about it? I'm not...I'm quite the opposite. I think it's
hilarious that it was that close between you guys and a bunch of
rookies. I'm glad it wasn't closer to tell you the truth, or else you
probably would have tried to top yourself for worst contest
call I have seen in my 7 years of playing Ultimate. No joking on that
one.
Nut up or shut up?
Not exactly sure what this is supposed to mean...so either I'm
supposed to come across the country and play against you guys with a
torn ACL, or I'm supposed to shut up? I don't see either of those
things happening.
Roca Dope
Mimmo, you pretentious slag...
1. I was stating a fact that FTS has beaten VC twice. <-- notice the
period seperating my thoughts.<---- oh look there's another one!
2. Uncatchable. And if that's the worst contest call you've seen in 7
years then you need to branch out and play new people. Or just look
harder within Gainesville.
3. You've reverted to just talking shit about teams now, how bout u
talk about something else? Like maybe how we're "gross", but
Gainesville is coming down with swine flu...
4. Your "experience" means nothing to me or anybody else.
I have nothing against VC, just Mimmo.
Mimmo
> Mimmo, you pretentious slag...
You know the word pretentious? Impressive roca, +1 to you!
> 1. I was stating a fact that FTS has beaten VC twice. <-- notice the
> period seperating my thoughts.<---- oh look there's another one!
Congrats, what does that (you beating VC) have to do with anything?!
> 2. Uncatchable. And if that's the worst contest call you've seen in 7
> years then you need to branch out and play new people. Or just look
> harder within Gainesville.
I'll try man...I've played ultimate in all 4 US time zones (alaska and
hawaii EXCLUDED!)...and both of the time zones in Europe, I'll branch
out i swear...
> 3. You've reverted to just talking shit about teams now, how bout u
> talk about something else? Like maybe how we're "gross", but
> Gainesville is coming down with swine flu...
You're right. However, at that point I was jokingly referring to
your history of banging fat chicks, also another orlando player's
hooking up with girls who ask him to pee in their mouth, and another
former orlando player's habit of eating cereal while pooping. You're
not gross though...
> 4. Your "experience" means nothing to me or anybody else
It means nothing to me either.
> I have nothing against VC, just Mimmo.
I have everything against VC and Roca (pretty much only for that call)
and Joe Segal too!
That's it for me on this thread.
Roca Dope
agree to disagree.
scpoulos
> Does it really matter?
> no one is beating chain/double this year.
yeah that probably is a good call. shame that ronin didn't happen
again this year. Go Uproar!!
Keith Parish
UPA reasoning, but apparently the rule is their section gets the extra
bid. no more debate about what seed Duel should/could have been
Dusty Baker
region when all is said and done. Is this due to the lack of teams at
sectionals?
Grant
Come on Adam. At least have a little confidence that the coaching you
gave me will do some good against Chain/Doublewide
Grant
Tanasi #30
eegan shelter
if tanasi had re-formed last year, they'd be going to nationals
claiming the #3 spot over diablo. they are a year late; how long till
south gets a third bid again.... seems like that would be the only
way a team beside doublewide and chain would get in in the next five-
ten years.
didn't diablo beat a team easily for the number 3 spot last year?
what are the biggest margins of victory in the game to go at
regionals? ie, the disparity between the 3 team and 4th place
team....
any similar situation deveoling this year because of bid allocation
(though, i guess we have to wait for allocation to talk about that).
DSG
UPA messed up. Our bid was pulled this morning. I think it is now
being offered to the East Coast section. Needless to say we have a lot
of disappointed/angry guys who are scrambling to cancel their flights.
Luckily it looks like Delta lets you cancel for no charge w/in 24
hours.
Good luck to Duel or whatever East Coast team gets the unused bid.
Dan
Cartel
Browning
Cartel guys, as I know they were pumped to play in regionals. I am
not sure how you screw that up, as it is laid out pretty clearly on
the UPA website.
http://www.upa.org/club/2009_club/series_guidelines#reg
Per the website, you take the total teams in a section, divide it by
total teams in the region, and multiply it by 16. The integer of that
calculation is how many bids a section gets.
TX: 16/46 * 16 = 5.66 (5 bids)
FL: 11/46 * 16 = 3.83 (3 bids)
EC:10/46 * 16 = 3.48 (3 bids)
GC: 9/46 * 16 = 3.13 (3 bids)
That allocates 14 of the total bids. The last two go to the sections
with the largest remaining decimals (teams closest to achieving full
bids) which were Florida (.83) and Texas (.66). Florida already gave
that bid to Vicious. The Texas bid would go to Riverside, and if they
didn't want it it should be passed down until a team in the Texas
section did want it. If no Texas team wants it, the bid goes to the
section with the next highest decimal which is the EC section (.48).
The bid should not have gone back to FL unless none of the teams in
the EC or GC sections wanted it.
Once you start doing the math, it is pretty straight forward. It
takes all of 5 minutes to figure it out, and I am not sure how a
mistake like that can be made.
ryandc
Strength bids are given based on lowest finish of a team from a given
region, no? So assuming Chain and Doublewide do as well as they look
like they will this year a 3rd bid could be a possibility next year.
CC
pretty straightforward and the bid should never have been offered to
Cartel in the first place. That being said, it is even shittier to
offer the bid and retract it 5 days before Sectionals after half the
team had already started back up track workouts this weekend and
bought plane tickets.
On another point, I think the RULE is stupid and is not what is best
for the competitve climate of Regionals. Why should the bid go to the
next highest team in that section? That doesn't really make any sense
from a competitive standpoint. Why send an even worse team to
Regionals? The point is to give the 16 best teams in the Region a
shot to compete. Not necessarily for a shot at Nationals, but just
the opportunity to play against good teams.
I used to play for the Iron Men and we squeaked into Regionals as the
16 seed and the 4th place team out of Gulf Coast in 2006. We ended up
tied for 5th in the Region, losing to Bulge on Universe Point on
Sunday morning. However, if we had not accepted our bid, the 5th
place team from our Section was a Masters team who would have declined
the bid. Why should the bid have then gone to an even lower seeded
team out of our Section? It should have gone to an equally ranked
team from another Section in my opinion who would have had a chance to
COMPETE.
Cartel is a better team than they performed this year, losing twice at
Sectionals to VC on universe point (maybe I'm bad luck?) and would
have finished probably somewhere in the middle of the Region when all
was said and done.
If the bid ends up going to Duel, good for them, they deserve it. If
the bid goes to another team in the EC just bc they were in the EC, I
think that is crap.
Any thoughts?
-CC
Allen
> If the bid ends up going to Duel, good for them, they deserve it. If
> the bid goes to another team in the EC just bc they were in the EC, I
> think that is crap.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -CC
Follow precedent: 17 team regionals!
tyler evans
Duel has accepted the bid
BSlade
> what are the biggest margins of victory in the game to go at
> regionals? ie, the disparity between the 3 team and 4th place
> team....
Diablo played Ludicrous Speed three times at regionals, beating them
15-11, 15-6, 15-8 respectively. With fewer players (and generally
longer games) Ludicrous fatigued noticeably across the weekend... the
game on Saturday stayed close until about 11-10, when Diablo finished
with several breaks.
Jared Smith
Even though that may seem equitable in your mind that's never the way
that bids are allocated, even in teams that straight up qualify.
Regionals is not the 16 best teams in the region plain and simple,
just like nationals isn't the 16 best teams in the nation. It is the
best teams representing a geographical area. Areas earn more chances
to represent their location by fielding more teams at sectionals. So
no, the bid shouldn't go to a team because they might be better and
play more competitively at regionals. It should go to the area that
earned the chance to represent their section by having more teams. You
can disagree with the overall system but your line of thinking is
simply not the way the series is structured.
Steve Loomis
Recall that in the NFL, the NFC team won the super bowl for 13 years
straight. At around year 7 of that streak, the mob started
complaining that we had to invite some crappy AFC team to the super
bowl, to get blown out by the team who had won the hard-fought NFC
championship. And then, whaddaya know, the AFC just started whooping
ass one day. And now nobody talks about restructuring, at least in
that particular way.
No matter what system you come up with, some years it will produce a
horrific injustice.
eegan shelter
>We ended up
> tied for 5th in the Region, losing to Bulge on Universe Point on
> Sunday morning.
> Cartel is a better team than they performed this year, losing twice at
> Sectionals to VC on universe point (maybe I'm bad luck?)
>
Any thoughts?
>
> -CC
do you mean to say that you lost all those games on double-game
point? universe point is a data center software company.
eegan shelter
thanks---this helps the perspective.
Leefus
> On Sep 26, 11:22 am, Torre <torre.harg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does it really matter?
> > no one is beating chain/double this year.
>
This is very true. Chain and Doublewide are clearly the favorites, but
I think Tanasi could at least catch one of these teams sleeping and
make it a good game, possibly an upset. They've got an incredibly
athletic team w/ a very deep bench. I think there are about 2 guys on
the team below 6 feet.
Good luck to everyone.
Mimmo
> This is very true. Chain and Doublewide are clearly the favorites, but
> I think Tanasi could at least catch one of these teams sleeping and
> make it a good game, possibly an upset. They've got an incredibly
> athletic team w/ a very deep bench. I think there are about 2 guys on
> the team below 6 feet.
>
> Good luck to everyone.
I have nothing against Tanasi. They have a good team, and I find
their accents quite amusing. But I seriously think this year is the
year that one of the South teams breaks through and is in the
Finals...both teams (DW and Chain) have stellar rosters and are as
strong as I've ever seen them, my guess is they're going to be very
focused at Regionals.
I still would love to hear about Foulkes to Foulkes for a score
though...
bjorn
so its not VERY true? in fact, according to you, it is false. tricky
concept these 2 option choices.
ulticritic
>
> No matter what system you come up with, some years it will produce a
> horrific injustice
i've never seen ANY horrific injustice in the ncaa basketball tourny
Leefus
I'm sorry Bjorn.
Joe Segal
Joe Segal
> Seedings, please.
Looking at http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=20&id=6093 I see
that it says Unseeded, but it looks like it might actually be seeded.
I hope Grit isn't seeded 4th, as they lost at sectionals to a team
that finished 8th in the section, and also in doing so effectively
screwed up the final placements of all the non-DW teams from Texas
that made regionals. For seeding regionals, sectionals results are
pretty important. A bad loss at sectionals should be reflected in a
team's seeding for regionals.
bjorn
dont apologize to me, apologize to logic.
D Rich
> On Sep 30, 6:05 pm, Joe Segal <joe.m.se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seedings, please.
>
> that it says Unseeded, but it looks like it might actually be seeded.
> I hope Grit isn't seeded 4th, as they lost at sectionals to a team
> that finished 8th in the section, and also in doing so effectively
> screwed up the final placements of all the non-DW teams from Texas
> that made regionals. For seeding regionals, sectionals results are
> pretty important. A bad loss at sectionals should be reflected in a
> team's seeding for regionals.
Grit = Players dedicated to screwing up Regional seedings
Joe Segal
Oh, ok. Well thanks then.
Grit = Good Rankings Inaccessable Today
FTS = Fuck The Seedings!
strangler
Grit may have messed things up for pool play, but in the games that
counted they won when they needed. Suess took the brunt of this
because now they are ranked below a team they beat on Saturday in pool
play but never played on Sunday. There were a few small teams that
ran out of steam on Sunday. Blame the other teams in the Sections for
not pulling their weight. That stuff happens in pool play - teams get
caught looking. Now, I will say Doublewide looked stronger than I
have ever seen them at Sectionals! They never looked past any point
and their rotation looked tight even when they were blowing us out.
On to Atlanta to see how it all turns out. . .
Joe Segal
Actually, looking at http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=20&id=6205
, looks like Grit did lose in bracket play in the first round, not in
pool play. They still won out the rest of their games to take second
in the section, so good, rank them above the rest of the Texas teams.
But as far as comparing them against teams from other sections, like a
team that won all their games and the section itself, they shouldn't
be ranked higher. It's not like Grit lost to Doublewide to take
second. They lost to some chump team and then won out in the 2nd
place bracket. I think there's a difference.
Spaz
opponents are:
Tanasi - Grit (0-1) v. Diablo (1-2)
Sons of Liberty - Grit (0-1) v. Diablo (1-0)
Steven Zittrower
So is anyone else irate that people have already left to travel to
Atlanta without actually knowing the seedings? This is such a
reoccurring complaint that frankly I am astonished that this hasn't
been a major focal point of the UPA. At what point do we start
spamming the RC?
Torre
>
> So is anyone else irate that people have already left to travel to
> Atlanta without actually knowing the seedings? This is such a
> reoccurring complaint that frankly I am astonished that this hasn't
> been a major focal point of the UPA. At what point do we start
> spamming the RC?
i'm more upset that monup.wordpress.com hasn't done a Regional preview
for all 15.5 teams. Fuck seedings.
Aguilar
Torre
> Compliment?
>
> Aguilar!
>
> http://monup.wordpress.com
i'm just giving you hell man. i love the morning pull stuff and always
like to your stuff b/c i know it's gonna be about the south.
Torre
>
> >http://monup.wordpress.com
>
> i'm just giving you hell man. i love the morning pull stuff and always
> like to your stuff b/c i know it's gonna be about the south.
Hey look. brackets!
chigger
Brackets and seeding are up!
Stuart Downs
wrote:
As soon as you start volunteering your time and not your mouth.
Stuart Downs
> Seedings, please.
Money please