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Wools
Oct 18, 2012, 4:19:45 PM10/18/12
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Does anyone know when nexgen is releasing their streaming
schedule for Club Nationals? I would love to get to see
Rhino vs. Ironside first round.
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schedule for Club Nationals? I would love to get to see
Rhino vs. Ironside first round.
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mgd.mitch
Oct 18, 2012, 4:40:04 PM10/18/12
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it's on the
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-club-championships--schedule-and-seeding/#live
that was release earlier.
day 1 schedule
round 1: bucket v polar bears
round 2: brute squad v heist
round 3: sockeye v chain lightning
day 2
1 open power pool
1 women's power pool
1 mixed pre quarter
day 3
1 women's quarter
1 mens semis
masters finals
day 4
mixed, women, open finals
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-club-championships--schedule-and-seeding/#live
that was release earlier.
day 1 schedule
round 1: bucket v polar bears
round 2: brute squad v heist
round 3: sockeye v chain lightning
day 2
1 open power pool
1 women's power pool
1 mixed pre quarter
day 3
1 women's quarter
1 mens semis
masters finals
day 4
mixed, women, open finals
NGN
Oct 18, 2012, 5:00:04 PM10/18/12
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Sorry for the delay in information. There have been some
recent changes in our arrangements for the Club
Championships coverage that I had to wait to get cleared up.
I'll be posting something about this on the NGN webpage
tomorrow, but basically the schedule is decided by USAU and
we will be acting as a production company hired to produce
the event. As such USAU will be making the games available
for free via YouTube live with embed streams found various
places around the web.
--
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http://www.facebook.com/ngnultimate
http://www.twitter.com/ngnultimate
recent changes in our arrangements for the Club
Championships coverage that I had to wait to get cleared up.
I'll be posting something about this on the NGN webpage
tomorrow, but basically the schedule is decided by USAU and
we will be acting as a production company hired to produce
the event. As such USAU will be making the games available
for free via YouTube live with embed streams found various
places around the web.
--
http://www.ngnultimate.com
http://www.facebook.com/ngnultimate
http://www.twitter.com/ngnultimate
mvuong
Oct 18, 2012, 5:30:04 PM10/18/12
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As much as I like getting a free stream, I think I would
have preferred being able to pay to watch the games I want
to see. As it stands, there are 4 games I will definitely
watch (though one may be starting too early for me to watch,
and unlike standard NGN probably won't be up on VoD), 3
games I am mildly interested in and will probably watch, and
5 games I don't care for at all.
You get what you pay for though, and I would have been happy
to pay to see the games I want to see. Wasn't college
nationals also done by NGN in a you can pay for a bunch of
pool play and early bracket play, but semis and finals were
free? I don't have access to the VOD from college nationals
so I can't really check.
have preferred being able to pay to watch the games I want
to see. As it stands, there are 4 games I will definitely
watch (though one may be starting too early for me to watch,
and unlike standard NGN probably won't be up on VoD), 3
games I am mildly interested in and will probably watch, and
5 games I don't care for at all.
You get what you pay for though, and I would have been happy
to pay to see the games I want to see. Wasn't college
nationals also done by NGN in a you can pay for a bunch of
pool play and early bracket play, but semis and finals were
free? I don't have access to the VOD from college nationals
so I can't really check.
NGN
Oct 18, 2012, 6:00:03 PM10/18/12
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That's correct regarding the availability of the college
championships. I also believe the games will be made
available VOD via YouTube. Scheduling for USAU championship
events has always been at USAU discretion.
championships. I also believe the games will be made
available VOD via YouTube. Scheduling for USAU championship
events has always been at USAU discretion.
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Bulb
Oct 18, 2012, 7:43:18 PM10/18/12
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ngnultimate wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 16:59
coverage of a second field. I'll understand if there is
some sort of non-disclosure agreement in your contract with
USAU, but if not, can you give us some kind of ballpark
estimate on how much it would cost to pay for a second
field? I'm guessing the demand is out there to pay for it.
> the schedule is decided by USAU and we will be acting as
> a production company hired to produce the event. As such
> USAU will be making the games available for free via
> YouTube live with embed streams found various places
> around the web.
I am very curious as to how much it would take to pay for
> a production company hired to produce the event. As such
> USAU will be making the games available for free via
> YouTube live with embed streams found various places
> around the web.
coverage of a second field. I'll understand if there is
some sort of non-disclosure agreement in your contract with
USAU, but if not, can you give us some kind of ballpark
estimate on how much it would cost to pay for a second
field? I'm guessing the demand is out there to pay for it.
shock
Oct 18, 2012, 9:05:05 PM10/18/12
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Terrible job by USAU if both Open semis do not get streamed
jegi
Oct 18, 2012, 9:45:03 PM10/18/12
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How about another (instant) KickStarter campaign for
pre-funding of TWO more fields of coverage? Or, is USAU
determined to force-feed non-Open games to their paying
members?
pre-funding of TWO more fields of coverage? Or, is USAU
determined to force-feed non-Open games to their paying
members?
jegi
Oct 18, 2012, 9:49:27 PM10/18/12
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No offense intended to my Mixed, Women and Masters division
friends.
friends.
fandler
Oct 19, 2012, 6:31:03 AM10/19/12
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There are people who very much want to see other divisions
besides Open. I feel like watching Masters is where you
learn the most (count the number of mistakes Surly makes in
a game), Mixed is always a mad scramble, and the team I am
most excited to follow this year regardless of division is
Heist. That being said, the more games shown the better.
As it is now, we will only get a chance to see at best a
small fraction of the games at nationals, which really just
sucks (props to NGN though for at least providing us that).
besides Open. I feel like watching Masters is where you
learn the most (count the number of mistakes Surly makes in
a game), Mixed is always a mad scramble, and the team I am
most excited to follow this year regardless of division is
Heist. That being said, the more games shown the better.
As it is now, we will only get a chance to see at best a
small fraction of the games at nationals, which really just
sucks (props to NGN though for at least providing us that).
Euh
Oct 19, 2012, 7:45:04 AM10/19/12
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shockbldxz wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 18:04
Easy to predict whats going to happen:
- People will complain
- They will setup at the last minute a single camera far
from the field with people passing in front of it
- the stream will be unwatchable, people will complain
The same cycle will repeat itself next year...
> Terrible job by USAU if both Open semis do not get
> streamed
Big fail.
> streamed
Easy to predict whats going to happen:
- People will complain
- They will setup at the last minute a single camera far
from the field with people passing in front of it
- the stream will be unwatchable, people will complain
The same cycle will repeat itself next year...
Euh
Oct 19, 2012, 7:50:03 AM10/19/12
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fandler wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 00:08
> There are people who very much want to see other
> divisions besides Open.
There are WAY more people who want to see OPEN games.
> divisions besides Open.
Bryan
Oct 19, 2012, 11:18:26 AM10/19/12
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The scaffolding is up between two fields for filming the
games. Simply use the 3 cameras that are already being used
during the round robin and film 3 games from the scaffolding
(ok... one game is filmed from farther away but oh well...
still high quality). Then, during the Sunday finals, use all
3 cameras for each game.
No more effort would be required. 3 times as many games get
filmed and the 3-camera quality is still there during the
finals.
games. Simply use the 3 cameras that are already being used
during the round robin and film 3 games from the scaffolding
(ok... one game is filmed from farther away but oh well...
still high quality). Then, during the Sunday finals, use all
3 cameras for each game.
No more effort would be required. 3 times as many games get
filmed and the 3-camera quality is still there during the
finals.
Mozaic
Oct 19, 2012, 11:25:03 AM10/19/12
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So the USAU has arranged for 10 games at nationals to be
streamed live by an organization who has shown they can put
together decent productions, for ZERO cost and people still
complain. I recall a recent thread about tournament cost
where it sounded like a sweet tourny with plenty of extras
for a $10 fee and people complain about the cost.
Seriously, learn to say thank you!
streamed live by an organization who has shown they can put
together decent productions, for ZERO cost and people still
complain. I recall a recent thread about tournament cost
where it sounded like a sweet tourny with plenty of extras
for a $10 fee and people complain about the cost.
Seriously, learn to say thank you!
mvuong
Oct 19, 2012, 12:55:03 PM10/19/12
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Mozaic wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 08:20
And that is precisely why I said I would be willing to pay
to see the games I want. You get what you pay for, and I
would rather pay to see the games that are more entertaining
than games in the name of equality. USAU is the limiting
factor here, I would be willing to bet that if they went by
who paid for subscriptions, all Open games from quarters on
and a good chunk of pool play games would be streamed.
to see the games I want. You get what you pay for, and I
would rather pay to see the games that are more entertaining
than games in the name of equality. USAU is the limiting
factor here, I would be willing to bet that if they went by
who paid for subscriptions, all Open games from quarters on
and a good chunk of pool play games would be streamed.
Torre
Oct 19, 2012, 1:18:02 PM10/19/12
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ngnultimate wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 16:59
I assume the schedule being completely decided by USAU was
one of those. Making another assumption that NGN appreciates
getting to be the official "production company" but aren't
ecstatic about certain parameters being placed on their
product.
Love the footage, and looking forward to it. Wish there
could be more...and would gladly pay for more!
Keep up the good work!
> Sorry for the delay in information. There have been some
> recent changes in our arrangements for the Club
> Championships coverage that I had to wait to get cleared
> up. I'll be posting something about this on the NGN
> webpage tomorrow, but basically the schedule is decided by
> USAU and we will be acting as a production company hired
> to produce the event. As such USAU will be making the
> games available for free via YouTube live with embed
> streams found various places around the web.
Recent changes?
> recent changes in our arrangements for the Club
> Championships coverage that I had to wait to get cleared
> up. I'll be posting something about this on the NGN
> webpage tomorrow, but basically the schedule is decided by
> USAU and we will be acting as a production company hired
> to produce the event. As such USAU will be making the
> games available for free via YouTube live with embed
> streams found various places around the web.
I assume the schedule being completely decided by USAU was
one of those. Making another assumption that NGN appreciates
getting to be the official "production company" but aren't
ecstatic about certain parameters being placed on their
product.
Love the footage, and looking forward to it. Wish there
could be more...and would gladly pay for more!
Keep up the good work!
Not Ultimate
Oct 19, 2012, 1:25:04 PM10/19/12
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Ditto what TH said. With one small clarification: I would
gladly pay for more open coverage.
gladly pay for more open coverage.
Babler
Oct 19, 2012, 1:25:06 PM10/19/12
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I'm trying to think of a way where you could pay to see all
the games you want and not have to worry about production
quality or quantity of cameras. I'm sure there is some way
you could pay a certain amount of money where you would be
able to watch multiple games at the same time. Any
suggestions?
the games you want and not have to worry about production
quality or quantity of cameras. I'm sure there is some way
you could pay a certain amount of money where you would be
able to watch multiple games at the same time. Any
suggestions?
Aden
Oct 19, 2012, 1:55:04 PM10/19/12
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Another factor that might play into why we can't have
multiple games streamed at the same time that I haven't seen
mentioned is the internet issues. I know a lot of fields
have questionable internet connectivity. My bets is that if
you had 3 games streaming at once, it might not handle it.
multiple games streamed at the same time that I haven't seen
mentioned is the internet issues. I know a lot of fields
have questionable internet connectivity. My bets is that if
you had 3 games streaming at once, it might not handle it.
Bulb
Oct 19, 2012, 2:05:04 PM10/19/12
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Babler wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 13:23
> I'm trying to think of a way where you could pay to see
> all the games you want and not have to worry about
> production quality or quantity of cameras. I'm sure there
> is some way you could pay a certain amount of money where
> you would be able to watch multiple games at the same
> time. Any suggestions?
..fly to Sarasota? (Guessing that was the implied joke...)
> all the games you want and not have to worry about
> production quality or quantity of cameras. I'm sure there
> is some way you could pay a certain amount of money where
> you would be able to watch multiple games at the same
> time. Any suggestions?
NGN
Oct 19, 2012, 2:15:04 PM10/19/12
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To weigh in quickly on multiple games. It's been our
emphasis from day one to not sacrifice quality for quantity.
We want you to know that if you're going to watch something
on NGN that it's going to be good. Adding additional games
has a whole new set of obstacles.
- We'd need another crew. We did four games once at World's
and it was brutal on the crew. That's a 12+ hour day for
everyone. It's safe to say that no one gets paid enough to
do that for four days straight and then want to come back
and do another event.
- We'd need to add another production setup. This is very
expensive. A replay machine alone costs $20k.
- We'd need another production room on site. The club house
only has space for one.
Adding more games would easily double costs. Would it double
viewership? Feel free to discuss. Interestingly Internet at
Sarasota isn't a problem as USAU paid to have a dedicated
fiber optic line installed some years back. It's very fast.
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emphasis from day one to not sacrifice quality for quantity.
We want you to know that if you're going to watch something
on NGN that it's going to be good. Adding additional games
has a whole new set of obstacles.
- We'd need another crew. We did four games once at World's
and it was brutal on the crew. That's a 12+ hour day for
everyone. It's safe to say that no one gets paid enough to
do that for four days straight and then want to come back
and do another event.
- We'd need to add another production setup. This is very
expensive. A replay machine alone costs $20k.
- We'd need another production room on site. The club house
only has space for one.
Adding more games would easily double costs. Would it double
viewership? Feel free to discuss. Interestingly Internet at
Sarasota isn't a problem as USAU paid to have a dedicated
fiber optic line installed some years back. It's very fast.
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thefan
Oct 19, 2012, 2:15:06 PM10/19/12
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Quote:
> ...fly to Sarasota? (Guessing that was the implied
> joke...)
guess?
you guess?
geezus fuking christ. you guess?
damn. thanks for making my day.
> ...fly to Sarasota? (Guessing that was the implied
> joke...)
guess?
you guess?
geezus fuking christ. you guess?
damn. thanks for making my day.
shock
Oct 19, 2012, 3:05:04 PM10/19/12
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(Following is directed at USAU, not NGN)
How the hell are you going to grow the sport if you do not
broadcast both Open semifinal matchups? These have
historically been some of the most compelling games in the
short history of this sport.
Could you imagine if one of the two College Basketball final
four games were not shown on TV? Could you imagine if we
only saw the NFC championship game and not the AFC
championship game?
If one of the goals is to "Partner with media to broadcast
USA Ultimate's premier 3-5 events to a mass audience. " then
you ABSOLUTELY have to broadcast both open semifinal games.
How the hell are you going to grow the sport if you do not
broadcast both Open semifinal matchups? These have
historically been some of the most compelling games in the
short history of this sport.
Could you imagine if one of the two College Basketball final
four games were not shown on TV? Could you imagine if we
only saw the NFC championship game and not the AFC
championship game?
If one of the goals is to "Partner with media to broadcast
USA Ultimate's premier 3-5 events to a mass audience. " then
you ABSOLUTELY have to broadcast both open semifinal games.
Torre
Oct 19, 2012, 3:08:10 PM10/19/12
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I saw a comment by USAU on their fb page about how they are
obligated by their charter(my word, not theirs bc I can't
think of what word they used) they had to show more than
just one division.
obligated by their charter(my word, not theirs bc I can't
think of what word they used) they had to show more than
just one division.
Torre
Oct 19, 2012, 3:09:45 PM10/19/12
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*gende equity policy are the words I was looking for.
thefan
Oct 19, 2012, 3:25:04 PM10/19/12
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Quote:
that club restructure announcement from August to work on.
they do what they want to do irregardless of how much sense
it makes or what their members think of it.
> (Following is directed at USAU, not NGN)
they're not listening. they don't care. they still have
that club restructure announcement from August to work on.
they do what they want to do irregardless of how much sense
it makes or what their members think of it.
Euh
Oct 19, 2012, 3:35:04 PM10/19/12
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ngnultimate wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 11:10
schedule that allows you to stream the 10 most popular
games. And yes, those 10 games would all be OPEN games.
What do you expect in terms of audience for
MAster/Women/Mixed games ?
I'll be boycotting those streams. One out of maybe 50
viewers (at best for those games) is still 2 %.
> Adding more games would easily double costs. Would it
> double viewership? Feel free to discuss.
You dont (necessarily) need to add games. You need to have a
> double viewership? Feel free to discuss.
schedule that allows you to stream the 10 most popular
games. And yes, those 10 games would all be OPEN games.
What do you expect in terms of audience for
MAster/Women/Mixed games ?
I'll be boycotting those streams. One out of maybe 50
viewers (at best for those games) is still 2 %.
Mozaic
Oct 19, 2012, 4:45:04 PM10/19/12
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EuhNGroups wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 15:32
but for your objection to something
Maybe I am mistaking you for another poster, but am pretty
sure you have made it clear you don't ever care to watch
anything other than Open. Is it really a boycott if you
would never have watched it?
> What do you expect in terms of audience for
> MAster/Women/Mixed games ?
>
> I'll be boycotting those streams.
"Boycotting" would imply you would have been watching them
> MAster/Women/Mixed games ?
>
> I'll be boycotting those streams.
but for your objection to something
Maybe I am mistaking you for another poster, but am pretty
sure you have made it clear you don't ever care to watch
anything other than Open. Is it really a boycott if you
would never have watched it?
Euh
Oct 19, 2012, 5:05:03 PM10/19/12
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Mozaic wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 13:41
You dont necessarily look at something because you care for
it.
In fact, how would I know that women/mixed/master games suck
if I dont watch them ?
it.
In fact, how would I know that women/mixed/master games suck
if I dont watch them ?
colinmcintyre
Oct 19, 2012, 5:10:04 PM10/19/12
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shockbldxz wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 15:02
> How the hell are you going to grow the sport if you do
> not broadcast both Open semifinal matchups?
> not broadcast both Open semifinal matchups?
Brandon
Oct 19, 2012, 5:10:05 PM10/19/12
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jegi wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 18:42
and taping their eyelids open.
If you don't want to watch don't watch. If you do want to
watch fly your ass to Sarasota and watch any game you want.
> How about another (instant) KickStarter campaign for
> pre-funding of TWO more fields of coverage? Or, is USAU
> determined to force-feed non-Open games to their paying
> members?
I didn't realize they were strapping people to their chairs
> pre-funding of TWO more fields of coverage? Or, is USAU
> determined to force-feed non-Open games to their paying
> members?
and taping their eyelids open.
If you don't want to watch don't watch. If you do want to
watch fly your ass to Sarasota and watch any game you want.
Ryan
Oct 19, 2012, 8:55:04 PM10/19/12
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thefan wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 15:24
restructure plans would be announced "before the 2012 Club
Championships."
I've been waiting patiently for the last month, but I would
have no problem with the announcement being made Monday or
Tuesday.
sorry about posting off-topic.
> they still have that club restructure announcement from
> August to work on.
Before sectionals, they sent out an email, saying the club
> August to work on.
restructure plans would be announced "before the 2012 Club
Championships."
I've been waiting patiently for the last month, but I would
have no problem with the announcement being made Monday or
Tuesday.
sorry about posting off-topic.
Mark
Oct 20, 2012, 10:30:04 AM10/20/12
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Bulb wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 16:41
> I am very curious as to how much it would take to pay
> for coverage of a second field.
Even if the demand is there (which I think is the case), the
choice to make these games available is still not up to NGN
or any other third party. It's fully up to USAU because they
own the media rights to the games.
Stats and real-time game data on the other hand is a
different story
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> I am very curious as to how much it would take to pay
> for coverage of a second field.
Even if the demand is there (which I think is the case), the
choice to make these games available is still not up to NGN
or any other third party. It's fully up to USAU because they
own the media rights to the games.
Stats and real-time game data on the other hand is a
different story
http://legal.web.aol.com/decisions/dldecen/nba.html.
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Charlie
Oct 21, 2012, 8:00:08 PM10/21/12
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I wont be able to watch anything but the finals on Sunday, I
really hope the games are available VOD. Does anyone know
why college nationals are not VOD? It would be nice to be
able to rewatch those games.
I watch all these games for entertainment, but I'm also
hoping to improve my own play/learn, so being able to
rewatch, rewind, etc. is extremely useful. USAU should make
the nationals semis/finals games available. I dont think I'm
the only one in this boat either. Also Im really only
concerned about open. Not too bothered by any other
divisions.
really hope the games are available VOD. Does anyone know
why college nationals are not VOD? It would be nice to be
able to rewatch those games.
I watch all these games for entertainment, but I'm also
hoping to improve my own play/learn, so being able to
rewatch, rewind, etc. is extremely useful. USAU should make
the nationals semis/finals games available. I dont think I'm
the only one in this boat either. Also Im really only
concerned about open. Not too bothered by any other
divisions.
Charlie
Oct 21, 2012, 8:05:03 PM10/21/12
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Also, I would much rather pay $20 to watch 12 open games
than watch 12 games of different divisions for free. I think
USAU is appealing to a smaller crowd by formatting it this
way.
than watch 12 games of different divisions for free. I think
USAU is appealing to a smaller crowd by formatting it this
way.
NGN
Oct 21, 2012, 10:00:06 PM10/21/12
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College nationals are not available VOD via NGN right now
simply because there is a cost associated with hosting
video. You're not the only one who's asked for a long term
option, so we've recently invested in developing a
DVD/BluRay workflow that will allow us to get costs of
producing physical copies down enough to meet what I
perceive as a pretty small demand. Please prove me wrong on
this though.
You'll have a hard time watching the DI Finals and the semis
filmed by CBS as I assume they have exclusive rights to the
video. USAU will be making the rest of the games filmed by
NGN available VOD in the near future.
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simply because there is a cost associated with hosting
video. You're not the only one who's asked for a long term
option, so we've recently invested in developing a
DVD/BluRay workflow that will allow us to get costs of
producing physical copies down enough to meet what I
perceive as a pretty small demand. Please prove me wrong on
this though.
You'll have a hard time watching the DI Finals and the semis
filmed by CBS as I assume they have exclusive rights to the
video. USAU will be making the rest of the games filmed by
NGN available VOD in the near future.
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Charlie
Oct 21, 2012, 10:46:05 PM10/21/12
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Oh I wasnt expecting those college nationals games to be up
forever. But I was able to watch them for at least a few
months after they occurred. I hope all future games are like
that, where they can be rewatched at least for some time
period after they are streamed live.
I would love for USAU to be able to work with CBS to make
the semis/finals VOD, maybe even for a fee.
forever. But I was able to watch them for at least a few
months after they occurred. I hope all future games are like
that, where they can be rewatched at least for some time
period after they are streamed live.
I would love for USAU to be able to work with CBS to make
the semis/finals VOD, maybe even for a fee.
Nathan
Oct 22, 2012, 9:01:15 AM10/22/12
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Nathan
Pete
Oct 22, 2012, 10:50:05 AM10/22/12
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I know there is a large contingent of people in Madison more
excited for the Heist/Brute Squad game than the
Sockeye/Chain game. Thursday lunch viewing parties galore to
cheer on the home team.
excited for the Heist/Brute Squad game than the
Sockeye/Chain game. Thursday lunch viewing parties galore to
cheer on the home team.
Krishna
Oct 22, 2012, 11:09:46 AM10/22/12
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Nathan wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 09:01
ESPN wants to pay to broadcast the men's club regular
season/series next year, but has no interest in the women's
or mixed versions - USAU would have to turn them down?
> Having discussed with a USAU staff member, this is a key
> point - there is a policy dictating gender equity. So, if
> you don't like this policy, get in touch with the Board of
> Directors...they are the ones who set these policies.
>
>
> http://www.usaultimate.org/about/contact_us/board_of_directo
> rs.aspx
>
> Nathan
Just so I understand, does this gender equality rule mean if
> point - there is a policy dictating gender equity. So, if
> you don't like this policy, get in touch with the Board of
> Directors...they are the ones who set these policies.
>
>
> http://www.usaultimate.org/about/contact_us/board_of_directo
> rs.aspx
>
> Nathan
ESPN wants to pay to broadcast the men's club regular
season/series next year, but has no interest in the women's
or mixed versions - USAU would have to turn them down?
Torre
Oct 22, 2012, 11:13:56 AM10/22/12
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Krishna wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:09
> Just so I understand, does this gender equality rule
> mean if ESPN wants to pay to broadcast the men's club
> regular season/series next year, but has no interest in
> the women's or mixed versions - USAU would have to turn
> them down?
Maybe they'll let them be cheerleaders??
> mean if ESPN wants to pay to broadcast the men's club
> regular season/series next year, but has no interest in
> the women's or mixed versions - USAU would have to turn
> them down?
ryan3thompson
Oct 22, 2012, 11:59:45 AM10/22/12
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http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2013-club-restructure-options/
thefan
Oct 22, 2012, 12:20:04 PM10/22/12
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Quote:
> anyway....I'm of the opinion that UOA fanelli gerics has
> ostracized himself from many folks currently involved in
> officiating in the sport. Making his uoa effort even less
> of a force in the sport. Things would be different for him
> NOW if he'd networked more through the years. RSD
> hysterics don't qualify as networking dude.
Mike, quick, get on your bike and do an interview, then play
music over it so no one can hear it. then get on a boat and
go "log watching" out in the ICW.
things will turn around for you in no time.
> anyway....I'm of the opinion that UOA fanelli gerics has
> ostracized himself from many folks currently involved in
> officiating in the sport. Making his uoa effort even less
> of a force in the sport. Things would be different for him
> NOW if he'd networked more through the years. RSD
> hysterics don't qualify as networking dude.
Mike, quick, get on your bike and do an interview, then play
music over it so no one can hear it. then get on a boat and
go "log watching" out in the ICW.
things will turn around for you in no time.
thefan
Oct 22, 2012, 12:20:08 PM10/22/12
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Quote:
announcement of final plan"
now we've been promised a Pre Nationals Announcement. do we
have any reason to believe that will happen?
> But before that they said an announcement would be made
> in August:
>
>
> http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2013-club-restructure-option
> s/
i knew i was right about that. "•August Pre-Series
> in August:
>
>
> http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2013-club-restructure-option
> s/
announcement of final plan"
now we've been promised a Pre Nationals Announcement. do we
have any reason to believe that will happen?
Mozaic
Oct 22, 2012, 12:23:10 PM10/22/12
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Krishna wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:09
http://www.usaultimate.org/assets/1/Page/July%202008%20Board%20Meeting%20Minutes.pdf
Gender Equity Policy:
"In an attempt to strengthen the Ultimate community and
ensure that the sport of Ultimate remains an inclusive and
welcoming sport for female athletes, the UPA endorses a
policy of gender equity. The UPA will ensure that UPA
coverage and promotion of women's divisions is equal to that
of the corresponding men's division, and encourage outside
partners and vendors to achieve gender equity in their
coverage of and marketing to Ultimate. As long as the number
of female players lags behind the number of male players,
the UPA will implement targeted outreach programs that
strive to increase the number of female players."
I would take it to mean where the UPA (now USAU) is managing
or promoting the coverage, then they need to strive to
provide equal coverage. If a third party came to the
organization and said they wish to pay for coverage of a
specific division, then the USAU is not prevented from
accepting such an arrangement as it is not "UPA(USAU)
Coverage".
Gender Equity Policy:
"In an attempt to strengthen the Ultimate community and
ensure that the sport of Ultimate remains an inclusive and
welcoming sport for female athletes, the UPA endorses a
policy of gender equity. The UPA will ensure that UPA
coverage and promotion of women's divisions is equal to that
of the corresponding men's division, and encourage outside
partners and vendors to achieve gender equity in their
coverage of and marketing to Ultimate. As long as the number
of female players lags behind the number of male players,
the UPA will implement targeted outreach programs that
strive to increase the number of female players."
I would take it to mean where the UPA (now USAU) is managing
or promoting the coverage, then they need to strive to
provide equal coverage. If a third party came to the
organization and said they wish to pay for coverage of a
specific division, then the USAU is not prevented from
accepting such an arrangement as it is not "UPA(USAU)
Coverage".
Torre
Oct 22, 2012, 12:51:21 PM10/22/12
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Doctor wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 12:21
> T H wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 08:07
> > Looks like they're taking the USAU way of doing
> > things.
>
>
> Expand on that T H
I was half kidding. Someone said the website was out of date
(I haven't checked it recently). I look forward to hearing
how it goes, I think it's a great idea.
> T H wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 08:07
> > Looks like they're taking the USAU way of doing
> > things.
>
>
> Expand on that T H
I was half kidding. Someone said the website was out of date
(I haven't checked it recently). I look forward to hearing
how it goes, I think it's a great idea.
will
Oct 22, 2012, 2:15:08 PM10/22/12
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remember last year when Chain v Ironside was not streamed in
favor of a womens quarterfinal. Yeah.
Womens sports suck, unless its your home team and you
actually know people on the team, nobody wants to watch a
womens game over an open game. EVER
favor of a womens quarterfinal. Yeah.
Womens sports suck, unless its your home team and you
actually know people on the team, nobody wants to watch a
womens game over an open game. EVER
anakin gerics
Oct 22, 2012, 3:20:10 PM10/22/12
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On Oct 22, 2:15 pm, will <will.gre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> remember last year when Chain v Ironside was not streamed in
> favor of a womens quarterfinal. Yeah.
> Womens sports suck, unless its your home team and you
> actually know people on the team, nobody wants to watch a
> womens game over an open game. EVER
~~~~~~~~
> remember last year when Chain v Ironside was not streamed in
> favor of a womens quarterfinal. Yeah.
> Womens sports suck, unless its your home team and you
> actually know people on the team, nobody wants to watch a
> womens game over an open game. EVER
---true dat.
pacemaker
Oct 22, 2012, 8:35:08 PM10/22/12
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sparg44 wrote
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/live-streaming-at-2011-club-championships/
USAU has switched the order this year so an OPEN 1v2 pool
play is on Thursday, instead of a 2v3 pool play. Once
again, there will be an OPEN power pool game on Friday. And
this year, one of the OPEN semis will be streamed on
Saturday instead of a quarterfinal. Given that they are
committed to equal "air" time, it seems as if last year's
complaints have been listened to and there are better OPEN
games this year than last.
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-club-championships--schedule-and-seeding/#live
pacemaker
> remember last year when Chain v Ironside was not
> streamed in favor of a womens quarterfinal.
No. You don't either.
> streamed in favor of a womens quarterfinal.
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/live-streaming-at-2011-club-championships/
USAU has switched the order this year so an OPEN 1v2 pool
play is on Thursday, instead of a 2v3 pool play. Once
again, there will be an OPEN power pool game on Friday. And
this year, one of the OPEN semis will be streamed on
Saturday instead of a quarterfinal. Given that they are
committed to equal "air" time, it seems as if last year's
complaints have been listened to and there are better OPEN
games this year than last.
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-club-championships--schedule-and-seeding/#live
pacemaker
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