7 of 8 finalists from NW
steveyo
Is it the salmon in their diet?
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steveyo
junk...@hotmail.com
NW, and how many of them honestly went out there for the ultimate and
just took whatever decent job / went to whatever decent school they
could find?
steveyo
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Adam Tarr
> How many of the players on those teams just "happened" to settle in the
> NW, and how many of them honestly went out there for the ultimate and
> just took whatever decent job / went to whatever decent school they
> could find?
I'm not really interested in the answer to this, but I would be
interested to know roughly what proportion of the NW players began
playing ultimate in the NW. Obviously it's a lower percentage than,
say, the NE or Central, but I'm not sure how much lower.
A-rizz
weez...@yahoo.com
started their ultimate careers in the NW region including 4 from the
same middle school. 11 of the guys grew up in Seattle.
The list:
Sam C-K (New Option Middle School - aka NOMS)
Jimmy Chu (NOMS)
Jeremy Cram (NOMS)
Alex Nord (NOMS)
Dave Bestock (The Northwest School)
Chase S-B (The Northwest School)
Ryan Seguine (Overlake School)
Danny Trytiak (Ballard HS)
Ray Illian (Started playing pickup at a Boeing pickup game with his dad
& UW)
Ryan Winkelmann (UW)
Ben Wiggins (U of Oregon)
Andrew Fleming (Seattle kid but not sure if he played before college)
Seattle has always been a town that draws a lot of fresh out of college
people, so it is no surprise that half of the team is from somewhere
else.
And the current Sockeye guys (and some of the ex-Sockeye guys as well)
are putting in time coaching youth ultimate as well. In the past two
years 7 of them (C-K, Cram, Bestock, S-B, Winkelmann, Wiggins, and
Roger Crafts) have been coaches on Seattle youth teams at either HS
Westerns or YCC.
-Mike Mullen
weez...@yahoo.com
-Mike Mullen
gooddog
each division. aside from the NW, can any other region make this
claim? SW? surely an argument can be made that the south was the second
strongest region in this year's nationals competition.
love from the lower latitudes,
gooddog
Tim Hochberg
> i'd like to point out that the SO had a team in the quarter-finals of
> each division. aside from the NW, can any other region make this
> claim?
Yes.
SW?
SW made semis in every division: Old and in the Way, Johny Bravo,
Gendors and Rare Air.
> surely an argument can be made that the south was the second
> strongest region in this year's nationals competition.
Perhaps, but not based on making quarters.
-t
Bill Mill
Tim Hochberg wrote:
> gooddog wrote:
> > i'd like to point out that the SO had a team in the quarter-finals of
> > each division. aside from the NW, can any other region make this
> > claim?
>
> Yes.
>
> SW?
>
> SW made semis in every division: Old and in the Way, Johny Bravo,
> Gendors and Rare Air.
>
NE (Brute Squad, A&B, DoG, Slow White) had at least one in each
quarters, and MA (Backhoe, Ring, AMP) missed masters (but who really
cares about masters?).
CN did the worst by far, placing its only quarterfinalist in Masters
(unless Ball and Chain is CN, in which case they placed 2 in Masters).
Apologies if I missed any teams, this is from a brief scan of score
reporter.
-Bill Mill
bill.mill at gmail.com
djb...@columbia.edu
gooddog wrote:
> i'd like to point out that the SO had a team in the quarter-finals of
> each division. aside from the NW, can any other region make this
> claim? SW?
I believe that every region except the Central can make this claim.
Adam Tarr
can count Fleming, as his serious ultimate career started at Harvard as
fas as I know. But I'll give you the rest, notably including the
Carleton contingent. So, 10 of 24. I wonder what the numbers would be
for, say, Chain and Bravo (the other two semifinalists).
Personally, I think the growth wild card should be tied not only to
where players are currently playing, but where they began playing.
danfri...@yahoo.com
A-rizz wrote:
> from my experience, most arent from around here ;-)
What's your experience? We know you moved to Portland earlier this
year, and there are a lot of people in Portland who aren't from
Portland. But to add to that, I would guess that most of the people in
Oregon weren't born here. There are lots of Californians moving up for
cheaper real estate, and lots of younger workers moving west for the
tech industry. That's not the same as implying that people move to
Portland so that they can stack the Ultimate teams here, which I know
isn't the case. In fact, a lot of people that move to Portland from
the east coast are surprised to find that we mostly play coed here, and
it takes some getting used to. Sound familiar?
Paul P
Adam Tarr wrote:
>
> Personally, I think the growth wild card should be tied not only to
> where players are currently playing, but where they began playing.
>
I have been trying, and failing, to figure out how to do this and why.
The region where you first registered for the UPA should get the credit
for bringing you into the sport every year you are still UPA
registered?
This would really stack areas with a lot of colleges as most people, I
believe, start playing in college.
Doesn't rewarding growth over the previous year make more sense?
Paul P
Adam Tarr
> Adam Tarr wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I think the growth wild card should be tied not only to
> > where players are currently playing, but where they began playing.
> >
>
> I have been trying, and failing, to figure out how to do this and why.
>
> The region where you first registered for the UPA should get the credit
> for bringing you into the sport every year you are still UPA
> registered?
I would say you count 50% toward the region where you begin playing,
and 50% toward the region where you currently play.
> This would really stack areas with a lot of colleges as most people, I
> believe, start playing in college.
That would certainly be true if I were talking about the size wild
card. I would not suggest this for the size wild card. However, since
I am talking about the growth wild card, it's not true.
> Doesn't rewarding growth over the previous year make more sense?
That's still what we'd be doing, only in more detail. A region that
creates dedicated players and ships them off to other regions is
growing the sport.
D. Smith
> Thanks Mike. Very interesting stuff, to me anyway. I don't think you
> can count Fleming, as his serious ultimate career started at Harvard as
> fas as I know. But I'll give you the rest, notably including the
> Carleton contingent. So, 10 of 24. I wonder what the numbers would be
> for, say, Chain and Bravo (the other two semifinalists).
Here's the breakdown for Chain:
UGA-9
Emory: 4
Georgia Tech: 4
Georgia State: 1
Virginia: 1
Virginia Tech: 1
GW: 1 (originally from Atlanta, however)
Auburn: 1
No college: 3
All three players with no college experience are from Atlanta. Do you
count the VT/UVA guys, since Atlanta is in the AC for college? Rob
Barrett went to UVA for undergrad but also played at UGA for his 5th
year, so I'm not sure which way he falls. Jason Edleman is from Ohio,
but I'm not sure if he played there before coming to Emory. Counting
those guys as imports gives 22/25 hailing from the region. By my
count, six of the guys on the team went to Paideia at some point in
high school.
I'm guessing Bravo has a percentage closer to Sockeye's, just from
glancing at the roster.
Kyle_W...@brown.edu
Kyle Weisbrod - Paideia HS (Atlanta)
Wilmer Wilson - CU
Will Deaver - UGA
Colin Gottlieb - Memorial HS (Madison)
Hector Valdivia - Madison West
Steven Rouisse - Amherst HS
Adam Simon - Paideia HS
Brett Kolinek - CSU
Forrest Collins - UC Santa Barbara
David Street - Georgia Tech
Ryan Farrell - William & Mary
Parker Krug - CU
Josh Ackley - CU
Matty Lipscomb - Clemson
Justin Salvia - Loveland HS (Loveland, CO)
Martin Cochran - CU
Andrew Mangan - William & Mary
Beau Kittredge - in Alaska
Jolian Dahl - Paideia HS
William Brotman - Pitt
Adam Zwickl - CSU
Mitch Schminke - Pick-up in Iowa
Teddy Tripoli - Memorial HS
So a lot of Georgians (5) and Wisconsinites (3) in addition to the
Coloradans (7)
-Kyle
Stick...@gmail.com
least one, nay two teams at nationals in every division.
Rich Dana
> David Street - Georgia Tech
Actually played at UVA before heading to Tech
wade
Jaime Arambula (Idaho/Idaho State, plus a slew of other NW colleges
where women had to "stomach" the Death Metal band "Hog-Dick" just to
kiss his face)
Mark Stone (Oregon/U of O)
Blaine Robbins (Washington/PLU)
So what is the ratio of players who either grew up in the region or
played college in the region: 15 out of 24. (62%)
What is the ratio of players who grew up in Washington: 12 out of 24.
(50%)
If Brook, Kevin, Keith, and Phil we're still on the team we'd have
more. But, those first three just won their own respective
championship :).
.wade
bzzkill
On Oct 31, 3:36 pm, "wade" <add...@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> So what is the ratio of players who either grew up in the region or
> played college in the region: 15 out of 24. (62%)
> What is the ratio of players who grew up in Washington: 12 out of 24.
> (50%)
....
I was curious so did a quick check, here is some context in case anyone
else wondered:
Census data indicates 47% of current (2000) residents were born in WA
CO is 41%
GA is 58%
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t38/phc-t38.pdf
but then...
net migration in the sub-group of young (25-39), single and college
educated
(The net migration rate is based on an approximated 1995 population,
which is the sum of people who reported living in the area in both 1995
and 2000, and those who reported living in that area in 1995, but
living elsewhere in 2000. The net migration rate is the 1995-to-2000
net migration, divided by theapproximated 1995 population and
multiplied by 1,000.)
SEA : 194.5
Atlanta : 282
Denver : 264