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Head Beagle  
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From: Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:01:10 -0700
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Subject: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
Alright, I need some new cleats.My 3/4 nike detachables are getting a
bit worn and I think my ankles have recovered enough to move to some
lower/lighter cleats.

I like the football cleats, the added toe cleat seems advantageous.

I have heard a lot of good things about some Nike cleats (Speed D/
Speed TD???) performance, although I have heard their durability is a
bit lacking.

Any other shoes that are in the same class as the Nikes?

Any good sources for these shoes?

Any other recomendations? I have met a few former LAX players playing
ultimate that swear by their LAX cleats. Any thoughts on those?

Finally, I really want to see someone show up at a tourney wearing
these: http://www.rugbyimports.com/browse.cfm/4,973.htm

Not me, but someone.

Discuss the great cleat debate


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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:31:59 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
the warrior LAX cleats made by new balance are really nice.  New
Balance is often overlooked, try them out.

These LAX cleats have the toe spike-
I've had a pair for over a year, which is surprisingly long.

http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%2...


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jermle...@gmail.com  
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From: jermle...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:07 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)

Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
narrow or wide feet. Check em out. I get mine here:

http://www.nbwebexpress.com/

On Jun 18, 9:31 am, rickst <caric...@yahoo.com> wrote:


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 More options Jun 18 2007, 2:21 pm
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From: Bill Mill <bill.m...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:21:05 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
I picked up last year's version of 2 of the Adidas ones for cheap at
Sports Authority:

http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...
and
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...

On really good turf, nothing beats the cleat pattern of the first
shoe, and I like the adidas version of it. Though I've never tried any
others.

However, since I rarely play on good turf (I'll save those for
Ottawa), I usually play in the second pair. I guess I like them
alright; it took my feet a while to get used to them, but they finally
have. However, I feel like I kind of swim in them, whereas my last 2
pairs of Speed TDs were like a damn cleat sock, they fit so tight. Not
great for putting on/taking off, but really superb out on the field.

I don't think I dislike the Adidas enough to go buy new TDs, but I
think I'll be going back next year. Less padding, lighter, and
tighter.

-Bill Mill
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discimu...@hotmail.com  
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From: discimu...@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:36:33 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
The be all and end all of cleats is the Speed TD's and Speed D's.

1st off, it you're over 170 lbs, you must have a football cleat.
Football cleats (those meant for wide outs and  members of the
secondary) are designed for two things, speed and a quick change of
direction. They are made with only these two things in mind, as I say,
football cleats are designed for cutting, not kicking. Soccer cleats,
especially those made from ridiculous hopping animal leather, are
overly expensive and not nearly durable enough. Football cleats are
made for people who do what we do (cut) and are bigger than us, so
they are far more durable.

I've only had two pairs of cleats last over 4 months and they both
lasted over a year. A pair of speed TD's from their '05 line and a
pair of speed D's from the '06 line. Both were light enough and
allowed me to cut in a way that made me say, "wow, I've never been
able to cut like this." My defense was immediately, noticeably
improved. I'll never go back.

In a sport where there is really one piece of equipment to buy,
investing a few extra dollars in that one piece is the right thing to
do. If you are a staunch soccer cleatist, wake up, and give yourself a
chance to be more. Pick up some Speed TD's, and be forever happier.


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Droske  
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 More options Jun 18 2007, 2:46 pm
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From: Droske <itsmi...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:46:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
i've said it a few times on here but the cleat that has all the best
features wrapped in one are the adidas world cups.   football stud
pattern, lighter than the speed tds, and very very durable.  i would
not suggest them to players who are prone to ankle sprains but other
than that they are definitely the best in the 100 dollar price
range.   wish i got to wear mine this season

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Head Beagle  
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:00:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
Difference between Speed TD and Speed D??

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Casey  
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:14:17 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, Head Beagle <w...@jbu.edu> wrote:

> Difference between Speed TD and Speed D??

TD is the molded cleat.

D is the detachable-stud cleat (screw-ins).


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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:52:54 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
I I bought the addidas men's thrill fly at the end of the fall. So far
I am happy with them.The price is good and the cleat pattern is
comparable to the Speed TDs, which I owned prior. Although I found the
Speed TDs to be a bit more comfortable they blew out way too fast for
their price and in rainy conditions they weighed a ton. Although, that
is probably true for any cleat. Looking at Eastbay they are running
low on sizes, I think was last years model, I recommend looking into
their new models.

http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...


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Barrett  
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 More options Jun 18 2007, 4:19 pm
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From: Barrett <rob.barr...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:19:04 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
The Nike Vapor Jet TD...
http://tinyurl.com/2ju2ab

has been the best cleat of many, many soccer and football cleats I've
had. A little lighter than other football cleats (though not as light
as the very lightest soccer cleats), one and a half years of play w/
very little sign of wear, and your feet essentially stay completely
dry in wet weather -- or after a full morning in the dew in Sarasota.

I prefer bladed cleats like these over round for very sharp cuts, but
this may be just a matter of preference -- although the very 1st time
i tried out cleats w/ blades, I felt like I could stop and cut better
than I ever had been able to with rounded cleats, so I recommend
giving them a try if you never have.

They vapor jets are definitely on a wider last than nike soccer
cleats, and maybe slightly roomier than speed TDs. They're also a
little on the spendy side.

On Jun 18, 2:36 pm, discimu...@hotmail.com wrote:


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Garrett  
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 More options Jun 19 2007, 6:48 am
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From: Garrett <ghub...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:48:55 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
anyone have experience with the underarmour cleats?  i am a pretty big
fan of all the other underarmour stuff i've had.

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 More options Jun 19 2007, 9:35 am
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From: LJ <ljree...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:35:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
On Jun 19, 6:48 am, Garrett <ghub...@gmail.com> wrote:

> anyone have experience with the underarmour cleats?  i am a pretty big
> fan of all the other underarmour stuff i've had.

Give UA a couple more years to make a quality cleat. I have not owned
a pair, but heard lots of bad things about them...like blow outs, heal
cup falling off, very uncomfortable, and heavy. Most are specific for
football, so unless you need the extra support, look somewhere else.

I would trust companies that have been making cleats for years and let
UA catch up in that department.

I personally have two pairs of the Nike Steams......the cheap version
of the vapors (soccer boot). They're about 3 oz heavier then the high
end vapors, but have the same style and design. Not a good boot, if
you are looking for alot of ankle support. So far they have been
great, light weight and fairly comfortable. Both pairs are FG.


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 More options Jun 19 2007, 11:17 am
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:17:27 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
I haven't seen anyone mention the Gaia cleats.  I've heard very good
things about them, and a few guys on my team that have them swear that
they are the lightest cleats they've ever used.  Plus, their
durability issues seem to have been worked out (1+ years for one guy,
strong cutter).  I had heard that they are based off of the Speed TDs.

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 More options Jun 19 2007, 11:58 am
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:58:04 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
I know that everyone is in love with Speed TD's and the truth is that
football cleats are better than soccer cleats for Ultimate. They are
built for speed and fast cuts, so just about any football cleat you
get will be good.

However, I recently made the move to Lacrosse cleats and theres no
turning back for me now. They are made for Ultimate but somehow got
mass-produced as a Lacrosse cleat. As mentioned earlier, the warrior
is a decent cleat, but its too high on the ankle in my opinion and a
bit heavier than some of the others out there.

Here's the one I just picked up and I love it

http://www.anacondasports.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDispla...


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:12:33 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
Definitely agree with Rob on the Vapor Jets. Just ordered my third
pair, and not because the other have blown out because the haven't.
They do however run a tad big, so I went down a half size. My favorite
aspect is the molded upper that reinforces the toe line, dispersing
pressure from sudden stops to more of the foot and less on the big
toe. I think in the long run this will cut down the likelihood of turf
toe....
-taylor

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:13:12 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
I've had the Gaia G4s for a year now.  Most comfortable pair of cleats
I've ever worn.

On Jun 19, 10:17 am, JeffWorne <jeffwo...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:14:15 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
adidas thrill fly.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:15:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
anyone try the Nike "super bad"  (what a stupid name)?

bladed heal cleats and standard round cleats on the sole.
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:40:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
No, but I have the Nike Air Zoom Apocolypse IV's, and they have the
same cleat patter.  So far I've had them for about 6 months and they
still look brand new.  I slip more with the stud cleats in the front
because they're inset a little far away from the edge of the bottom.
I don't know if the Super Bads have the same problem.  Great ankle
support.

I say this every time, but a couple guys out of Oklahoma use golf
cleats (Jeff Koontz amongst them) and I never see them slip or get
beat on D.  Also they seem to have lasted around 2+ years and are
described as the comfiest cleats on the market.

Karl Doege always plays barefoot, but he has chameleon feet that take
on the appearance of cleats.  They are always red, gold and green.
Red, gold and green.


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:05:22 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
By far the best cleats I have ever warn are the Adidas ClimaCool
Tunits.  They are extremely light and are part of the tunit series
that has the interchangable parts.  I played the entire college season
in them and they were amazing.  Keep in mind is is a soccer cleat so
it does not have the ankle support like most of the ultimate players
rely on for some reason.

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From: Adam Tarr <ahtarrNOS...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:05:27 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)

jermle...@gmail.com wrote:
> Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
> shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
> narrow or wide feet.

You mean, excessively wide feet.  NB cleats do not come in narrow
sizes, only normal and wide sizes.

The Speed TD is a pretty narrow cleat, though, so there you go.


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 More options Jun 19 2007, 5:18 pm
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:18:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
i swore by the g4's initially, but then after my first pair i had lots
of problems with things breaking off of them/lack of comfort and other
difficulties...a lot of people in the area experienced the same

tried some super bads and they were super awful

the speed td's are the way to go...they provide a great balance in
weight, comfort, support, and they look pretty cool too.

but really you gotta just figure out what works best for you, buy some
cleats, go out to a field on a dry day and do some cutting, as long as
they aren't noticeably dirty the store will usually take 'em back.


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:18:31 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
On Jun 19, 12:15 pm, rollinnufffatter <r...@aol.com> wrote:

> anyone try the Nike "super bad"  (what a stupid name)?

> bladed heal cleats and standard round cleats on the sole.http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail/module--productDetail/ac...

What's wrong with the name??  I think it's funny.

Anyway, when I last went looking for cleats (beginning of last fall
season) the two most sought after cleats according to the various
salespeople in various Atlanta stores were the Speed TDs and the Super
Bads.  After I tried on the Super Bads I bought them, and my only
regret is that they didn't have the white ones like in that link you
posted.

I don't use the removable ankle supports because I feel the shoes
themselves are high enough for my own needs.  They're fairly
comfortable after you break them in and they made cutting MUCH easier
for me.  The only problem is that they're not very light, but that's
to be expected from a football cleat.  Probably my favorite pair of
cleats I've ever used for ultimate.  If I had any money right now I'd
invest in a second pair (white, natch).


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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:33:19 -0000
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Subject: Re: The Great Cleat Debate - New Season, lets discuss (AKA: BEST CLEATS??)
On Jun 19, 2:05 pm, Adam Tarr <ahtarrNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:

> jermle...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Agreed on the New Balance cleats. Very nice stuff, and of course NB
> > shoes come in various widths, which is great if you have excessively
> > narrow or wide feet.

> You mean, excessively wide feet.  NB cleats do not come in narrow
> sizes, only normal and wide sizes.

Quite right- I stand corrected. As you point out, narrow-footed folks
are already well taken care of, by the Speed TD, many Adidas cleats,
etc. The pickins are considerably slimmer for wide-footed folks, and
if you have full on Hobbit feet like me (size 7.5, EEEE), almost non-
existant. The NB cleats were a godsend.


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