So rumor has it that self proclaimed "awesome" sectional coordinator,
Mike G, has dropped the ball on getting his sections rosters in on
time.  He apparently was unresponsive to the UPA's many attempts to
contact him.

All the teams in your section are really proud I am sure.

Because of this, the AC will probably not get the size bid to Natties.

Thanks Mike!!

There is only so much a SC can do if teams don't cooperate.  The teams
that didnt get rosters in on time are as much to bame as the SC.  You
can't expect G to go to every school and fill out their rosters for
them.  I heard NC got 9 on-time rosters, you heard otherwise?

That being said, it's tough to do much coordinating with out access to
the internet or email.

The solution is that only those teams that turn in rosters on time are
allowed to compete in sectionals.

Or if that's too "hardcore" for the UPA, then make it so only those
teams that turn in rosters on time are allowed to _advance_ from
sectionals.

I'm not going to comment on situations with this year's Carolina
sectionals since I'm not Mike, the RC, or UPA staff, so I'm not
directly involved in any administrative level issues.  Not my place to
talk.  However, I take issue with two things you say ...

1. The three Mike G run sectionals I have attended were well run and
everything that sectionals should be.

2. Getting rosters in is the responsablity of team organizers, not the
SC.  We had plenty of reminders from various sources.  Blame for lack
of ontime rosters falls on the teams, and in extrodinary circumstances,
school administrations of the postal service.  We are all adults and
therefore can be held accountable for our own action or inaction.
Don't blame Mike G becouse someone didn't get their own shit together
on time.

BT

Agreed.

Seriously.  Each team should have people on their roster who know that
rosters need to be in on time in order to get the section more bids to
regionals, and possibly give our region another bid to nats.  Just b/c
our SC isnt reminding us isnt an excuse for not getting them in.  Four
bids to regionals from a section that generally gets five and usually
six [im not familiar with the history of the nats size wildcard] isnt
mike g's or anyone else's fault but the team's.

On top of that, size bids should be awarded based on the number of
teams competing, not the number of rosters in on time.  The punishment
should fit the crime, and in the end the loss of a size bid based on
rosters is only punishing one team in the region.

If teams that didn't turn in their rosters could not not advance to
regionals, it would be a little more motivation than a size bid that
only a few teams expect to be impacted by.

The whole situation is significantly more complicated than pinning the
blame on the sectionals coordinator or the teams. When things go well
with college sectionals (well run tournament and maximum on time
rosters) credit can be given to both the SC and the teams, but in the
same vein, when things go poorly it's only fair to spread the blame
around just as equally.
What most people do not realize is that the job of a SC coordinator is
much more than just a tournament director who happens to be running the
sectionals tournament. The SC has all the responsibilities of a
tournament director (unless he chooses to delegate them) but has many
other duties as well. The SC is responsible for everything that makes
the college series stand apart from any other college run tournament.
Things like helping teams to understand eligibility requirements and
making sure that teams get their rosters in on time are at the core of
what the SC job is all about. As most captains are aware of the process
is much more complicated than many people think it is and things like
deadlines sneak up quicker than most expect. It is without a doubt the
job of the SC to make sure that teams are aware of all the rules,
guidelines and deadlines and that they do not violate them. When teams
do not get their rosters in on time you can't separate a SC's
responsibility from this failure.
That being said, there is only so much a SC can do and there is a
significant amount of weight on the shoulders of the teams themselves.
SC can't do the work for them. They can email and make phone calls as
much as they want, but at the end of the day, if the captains simply
don't get the job done or the administration someway messes up the
rosters, there is really nothing that the SC can do.
I ran the 2004 and 2004 Metro New York sectionals. Before I took over
as SC, my section got around 4 on time rosters in and had about 2 bids
every year. My goal as SC was to improve on this as best as I could. As
SC I did all I could to encourage newer and younger teams to
participate in teh series. I encouraged teams to bring their B teams to
sectionals and most importantly I was relentless in reminding teams of
the roster deadline and in doing everything I could to assist them in
their rostering process. As a result in 2004 we had I believe 12 on
time rosters and in 2005 we had 15 on time rosters. Now, I give almost
all the credit here to the teams. They were fantastic in the amount of
hard work they put in in making sure they got their rosters in time.
They were on the ball and responsible and as a result they were
rewarded each year with an extra bid. However, they didn't spontanously
decide to get their rosters in on time. Even though they did all the
work, it was my pushing that made them aware of the value of that work.
In the end it was a team process. We suceeded because myself and the
captains both did the jobs we were supposed to do. Had we failed to get
enough rosters in on time and lost a bid to regionals or even the size
bid to nationals, it would have been my fault as much as the teams.
I don't know exactly the situation with Mike G's sectionals tournament
and what happened with the on-time rosters. However it is unfair to put
all the blame on either Mike G or the teams. Somewhere something in the
process failed and I would put my money on both of them.

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Unless there's something about the new online rostering procedure I don't
understand, it's the responsibility of each individual team (or more
precisely, each team's contact person) to get its roster turned in on time.

Do the rosters have to pass through the sectional coordinator?  If not, I
don't see how it could be Mike G's fault.  The fact that Mike G - and other
SCs too, I'm sure - often motivates and reminds his section's teams to get
their rosters turned in on time in no way makes it his RESPONSIBILITY to do
so.

That being said, west.smith at yahoo dot com, I don't know who you are so I
don't really have any reason to believe anything you've said.

I applaud your success of increasing the number of on time rosters in
your section, no doubt you helped to increase the number of spots to
regionals for your own section.

But let's be honest. How sad is it that it takes "hard work" to fill
out a roster on time. Its simply signing your name, providing a few
other details, and then forking over some cash. Oh yeah, I suppose
signing a waiver and then mailing it is really difficult too.

Just frustrating that a few teams who can't get a roster in on time can
seriously affect the section, and more importantly, the region for
those precious national bids. All it takes is a little planning ahead
on the captain's part. Come on, it really shouldn't be that difficult.

~dd~

<But let's be honest. How sad is it that it takes "hard work" to fill
out a roster on time. Its simply signing your name, providing a few
other details, and then forking over some cash. Oh yeah, I suppose
signing a waiver and then mailing it is really difficult too.>

Sometimes you're right, not to hard to do at all. But you're forgetting
one crucial step, getting the roster approved by the schools'
registrar. Sometimes this is easy, but in a lot of the big schools the
red tape and bureacracy can make this both a long and arduous process.
Some schools require very detailed information about each student
before they approve it and sometimes this process can takes weeks or
even months at the larger schools. Like I said, it seems incredibly
straight forward, but appearences can be decieving

then these schools with those issues should realize this and get their
stuff in FAR in advance to the school.  They should not be new to this
process, and should plan ahead.

Good point. I went to a small school and that approval process
literally took two days to complete. I still think though that a little
bit of foresight is necessary. Unless a team is very new (formed that
year) then there should be an awareness of how long it takes for the
roster to be approved by the school. I still see untimely rosters as
mostly preventable.

~dd~

Only people that Daag knows can be believed.

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Well, Joe's Brother, why don't we start with the fact that anonymous people
often have something to hide?  Or, better yet, the fact that anonymous
people often don't make well-informed statements.

For example, who says Mike G is the NC sectional coordinator?

A 2 second search on upa.org turns up the truth:

ATLANTIC COAST REGION
Regional Coordinator    Mike Nash
Blue Ridge              Justin Peake
Carolina                Dan Snoke
South                   Russell Hall

Regardless of your feeling on SC's responsibilities vs. team
responsibilities, it's certainly not Mike G's ball to drop.

actually, Mike G's name was where Snoke's is now.  That was changed
sometime in the last month or so I believe.

So, it might have been (I do not really know a whole lot, I just know
that Mike G was the SC for a majority of the season and then one day,
Snoke's name appeared there).  so, i wouldnt be too quick to blame
snoke here either.

yeah....all my fault.
never mind the upa site that tells ya when to have them in on time.
if you're trying to make me feel bad about it......i can only look back on 6
or more years of seeing the section rise from 8 teams to 15/16.....and all
the killer formats that gave everyone tons of games in an effort to make
everyone feel like champs, playing late into sunday.

i'll be back.......

and...you're welcome.

failures are normally attributed to external causes, like Mike G not telling
you to send your rosters in on time........success is normally attributed to
internal causes, like, ya'll being fired up to get the size wildcard when i
push everyone to get rosters in on time.......and have like only 3 late in 6
years....

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---no....had nothing to do with the teams.
i did not get things going, due mostly in part to my not having email.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  The teams

---9 on time....outta 16-ish.....still pretty good, right?
seems like some folks take self responsiblity.

---no...mike g DID drop the ball....and the UPA is picking it up and putting
the pieces back together.
i will hopefully one day be allowed to pick the ball up again...and run with
it like crazy.

---i'll take all the blame.
normally, i am on that shit.....and should have been this time around too.
i don't have email...and don't have enough power in this computer to get
online for more than about a minute at a time before it closes itself.
i can open and use Outlook express to read newsgroups and i can work in word
and excel........that's about it.
i suck.
i had been good.....
i lost my SC job that i had planned to have til death did part us.....
and now i am hoping that i can one day soon get my NC College SC job back.

my fault.....
sorry.

On 4/7/06 7:03 PM, in article
DREZf.78995$%84.75...@tornado.southeast.rr.com, "Mike Gerics"

Does the computer shut off completely? Sounds like you may have a virus.
Sasser to be specific.

http://computers.search.ebay.com/laptop_Laptops-Notebooks_W0QQfsooZ1Q...

used laptops starting at 1 cent.  basically, for the cost of shipping
you can get a new computer.

Um ... Mike G.  Do you know him?  Can he be believed?

is  mr. gerics in prison?