<goalty> goalty question
bil
Which means that I have no idea what the real rules are (yes, I've
read them recently).
Here's my issue: For real goalty, I don't really understand the 1. no
zone rule in combination with 2. must be guarding someone if in/near
goal rule.
For example, if you are guarding player 2 who is near the goal but
then moves away as player 3 moves towards the goal (player 1 has the
disc), and you play "help" D on player 3, resulting in two people
guarding player 3, both of whom are very close to or in the goal, is
that a zone and disallowed? Or since both are guarding player 3 =
playing person on the same player, is it allowed?
I would call that a match-up zone, maybe, especially if it happens
regularly - but what do the goalty rules mean by zone?
And how do you mark out a circular field? use lots of cones?
angela
means no goaltending.
They prob do things differently in regulation play at tournaments for
money.... But. We typically mark off the clear area as 2 arcs, the
center of the 2 point line, and don't mark the entire circular field.
Def need the points directly out from the middle of the goal (20, 10,
12), plus the cones on the edges of the clear, plus a couple in
between to make sure the clear lines are arc-like. So, it can be as
few as 11 cones in the backfield and some flat cones for the goal.
CTW
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Most people on the east coast that I have played with don't believe in
the stupid west coast, no zone rule. I personally feel it is fine to
setup picks too. I do have mixed feelings about a pull through? Lets
say your feet are in the end zone but you catch the frisbee with you
hands on the otherside of the hoop and pull it through the hoop is
that a goal?
jgo...@gmail.com
> means no goaltending.
I can't seem to find a link to Atlanta's goaltimate rules, but in the
ATL we play with a "key" defined by an arc from the two front side
cones of the goal and a cone set 3 yards out from the center of the
goal face. If a defender is in the "key," he/she must be guarding an
offensive player and cannot be poaching/zoning.
However, there's no requirement that a defender must guard a single or
his/her own person. It's legal to help another defender and/or double-
team an offensive player as long as the help defender is not
goaltending. Moreover, zone is legal as long as no defender is
goaltending.
That said, goaltending is only enforced during league play. In a more
competitive atmosphere, zone is allowed, though it is often
detrimental near the goal because the disc is moving too quickly for a
zone to be effective.
J.
bil
Is it not ok to set up picks? I.e., on the goaltimate website, I think
I remember reading that unintentional picks are allowed (har har on
that distinction).
> the pull through
And I am confused about the pull through too. Does the disc need to be
through the hoop before your ground contact in the goal, or can you
just pull it through any time?
Dan Anderson
> And how do you mark out a circular field? use lots of cones?
In Portland, they play with no out-of-bounds cones whatsoever.
In Beaverton when I set it up, I use a rectangular shape like this:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
X X
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
X X
X X
X X
X GOAL X
X X
X X
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
We tend to have a number of people out who are new to goaltimate, and
this is the easiest shape for them to understand because it's so
similar to an ultimate field. We go 40 yards wide, and the clear line
is the same as the 2-point line. Then the clear box has the same
dimensions as an ultimate endzone (40 x 25). The goal has the same
shape as a standard goaltimate field, and then I go about 20-25 yards
behind the goal for a back line.
seanc
last time i read the rules, prolly 5 or 6 years ago, pull through
goals were allowed as long as the body was in the scoring area. i'm
pretty sure the disc was not allowed to touch the arc for the goal to
stand (although there's a faint chance that only applied to discs in
the air).
sean
Goaltyman
Without Officials it is hard to inforce the 3 second rule. If you
wish to inforce the no zone rule an arch is drawn in front of the goal
from the ends of the front on the endzone bowing 3 feet in front of
the center of the Goal post. It is a violation if either offensive or
defensive player stands in the goal or the arch in front of the goal
for more than 3 (three) seconds. Both offensive and defensive players
must stay active within the goal or 3-second arch. First time is
warning with second violation in a best 3-out-of- 5 series resulting
in a power play by opposing team.
If the defensive player is with six feet of the ofensive player and
they are active in the goal (not remaining staionary) then there is
not a violation,
A circular field is marked by hammering one of the stakes in the
middle of the field, getting a 30 foot thin rope or heavy string,
attaching it to a field painting machine and like a compase making a
cirlce. If you do not plan to paint the lines, then for easy setup,
just use the cones for the endzone and clear line and the back of the
clear area. Behind the endzone it is ten yards. Once you have the
cones for back of the clear line and the 10 yards behind the endzone
you can eye where the remaining boundry cones are placed.
Any questions, please fell free to call me at 858.750.9991 - cell
Thanks, Rick Conner
Goaltyman
>
> I remember reading that unintentional picks are allowed (har har on
> that distinction).
>
> > the pull through
>
> And I am confused about the pull through too. Does the disc need to be
> through the hoop before your ground contact in the goal, or can you
> just pull it through any time?
There are no pick calls in Goaltimate. There is a "foul" call if you
set a blind moving pick, similar to Basketball. However, there is no
pick when you are covering your man/woman and they run by one of thier
players and get caught in the traffic like in Ultimate.
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You can pull the disc through the goal for a score. The disc has to
only "break' the plain of the goal line. This means if your feet are
in the endzone and you reach through the front of the goal, make the
catch and pull it through "breaking" the goal plain, then it is a
score!
Feel free to call me if you have any questions at 858.750.9991.
Thanks, Rick Conner
Goaltyman
> On Dec 16, 2:37 pm, bil <ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And how do you mark out a circular field? use lots of cones?
>
> In Portland, they play with no out-of-bounds cones whatsoever.
>
> In Beaverton when I set it up, I use a rectangular shape like this:
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> X X
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> X X
> X X
> X X
> X GOAL X
> X X
> X X
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> this is the easiest shape for them to understand because it's so
> similar to an ultimate field. We go 40 yards wide, and the clear line
> is the same as the 2-point line. Then the clear box has the same
> dimensions as an ultimate endzone (40 x 25). The goal has the same
> behind the goal for a back line.
Whatever works for you is cool. The instuctions for setting up the
field are:
Setting Up The Goal:
1 Use eight (8) pieces of 4 foot PVC pipe.
2) Connect eight (8) pieces to make a thirty-two (32) foot section.
3) Measure eighteen (18) feet.
4) Take the two (2) steel stakes and hammer the stakes into the
ground approximately one (1) foot, eighteen (18) feet apart.
5) Place the ends of the thirty-two foot section of the PVC pipe over
both steel stakes.
Setting Up The End Zone:
1) From the middle of the Goal Line (under the arched Goal) measure
(24) feet deep.
2) Place a flat cone.
3) With the middle of the Goal Line being the center point, mark the
width of the End Zone, twenty-four (24) feet.
4) Place a flat cone at both ends.
5) Form an arc with seven (7) flat cones. (see field diagram).
Setting Up The Clear Line:
1) From the middle of the Goal Line measure thirty (30) yards.
2) Place flat cone,
3) Measure twenty (20) yards to the left, place tall cone.
4) Measure ten (10) yards deep angling towards End Zone, place tall
cone.
5) From center cone measure twenty (20) yards to the right, place
tall cone.
6) Measure ten (10) yards deep angling towards the End Zone, place
tall cone.
7) Arc the remaining flat cones to form the Clear Line (see filed
diagram).
Setting Up The Substitution Box:
1) With the remaining PVC pipe form the Substitution Box off to the
side of the playing field
(see field diagram).
Setting Up The Perimeter Line:
1) With the remaining tall cones mark twelve (12) yards from all
playing areas and place the cones
(see field diagram).
The field diagram is on the Goaltimate website at
http://www.goaltimate.com/goaltimate-official-rules.htm#Field of Play
Thanks, Rick Conner
Goaltyman
> On Dec 17, 11:53 am, bil <ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I personally feel it is fine to setup picks too.
>
> > I remember reading that unintentional picks are allowed (har har on
> > that distinction).
>
> > > the pull through
>
> > And I am confused about the pull through too. Does the disc need to be
> > through the hoop before your ground contact in the goal, or can you
> > just pull it through any time?
>
> last time i read the rules, prolly 5 or 6 years ago, pull through
> goals were allowed as long as the body was in the scoring area. i'm
> pretty sure the disc was not allowed to touch the arc for the goal to
> stand (although there's a faint chance that only applied to discs in
> the air).
>
> sean
You are correct Sean. You can pull the disc through, however, it can
not touch the goal post for it to be a score. You would have to work
it back around the front of the goal and make a clean throw in order
to score. I hope all is well with you!
Best regards, Rick Conner