labor day recap
dar
other unintelligible pearls if you give a fuck what he has to say.
but who doesn't love the circus? who really cares if it's the smae
clown getting out of the car over and over...you still watch.
trainwrecks get decent fanfare too, and shit, those aren't even
officiated! if you're looking for actual results of games or some
exciting recap, you won't find that here. however, despite what
matchdbag will tell you about how "sure" he is that we didn't expect a
good game against ring or for revolver to make us work, or boston
'botching' a dump pass (despite cash WORKING to get that D), i will
offer the fact that we're well aware that teams we are playing have
every intention of beating us. why would you be there otherwise? i
guess when your experience is on a college B team, you should expect B-
level journalism. digression.
that venue of play in santa cruz is pretty sweet. what's not sweet is
when gabriella's cafe runs out of the osso bucco. i didn't promise my
wife sacrificed lamb for her 40th, but it's nice to have that option.
as an alternative, it was evidenced that sometimes when you mess with
the bull, you get the ribeye...so i got the ribeye. tahnkful for the
dinner recommendation, we headed over to the party to join the
shitshow. not to be disappointed, our arrival gave us the opportunity
to sweat inside the bar without really ever having to move. goddamn
sauna in the blue lagoon. frickin' swamp hot. quickly downed a rum
and coke that i'm certain was a jack and coke. don't care really as
it was a free drink froma trusted duder. i don't make habit of
taking drinks from folks i don't trust as i know i've pissed off
enough of you out there that the libation of my choice ain't exactly
what one might choose. one dance floor was ridiculous to gain entry
to. the other had an area of about 8' by 8' that was blowing cool air
from above. the trick works for caged animals (i know cause the koala
bear gets a similiar treatment), but i was ahppier out on the streets
where free choice reigns.
and sometimes free choice is nothing more than another choice. enter
bruss leaving the swampy lagoon and following damien just down the
road to a nearly empty bar. i say nearly empty because there was a
duder and his girl there sitting at the bar. some 20-30 minutes
later,t hat bar is packed with a party moved. scored a seat at the
bar myself to partake in Idris and damien ordering 100 drinks. the
two bartenders put their heads down and went to work, empying liquor
bottle after liquor bottle. it didn't stop at 100 either. i gave
Idris a $100 thinking i was helping the cause. $1700 later -- if you
drank a free drink that night, thank damien next time you see him.
he picked up that tab. hell, i didn't even cover the tip!
the party never ends. sometimes the cops want you to think it's ended,
but it really never ends. i'm not sure who those two ladies were that
were accusing schmiracle of 'aggressively sitting' on his car but
those girls were straight crazy. i suggested she get in her car to
leave (like she was doing) and when she backed up, he'd no longer be
leaning against the front of her car. she chose her option which was
to call the man. and the man came with friends. not enough friends
that a lap or two around the blcok couldn't shake their pursuit, but
annoying all the same. and the irony of the situation - me helping a
teammate avoid a ride not back to the room - and they say i'm stubborn
and can't learn. proof!
instead of arresting my friend, a more pressing issue developed for
the officers on hand. damine was tossed a couple shirts into street
trees. and they were a bit far up. they weren't gonna let him leave
until he got them down. i would have pulled out my $1700 bar tab
receipt to the gathering mob and suggested that any one of them figure
it out. in the end, i found Idaho climbing in two trees not unlike a
tree frog, and pulling those damn shirts down, setting damien free
from the man's commanding authority. (there you go Idaho -- that's
some hero shit right there...)
3am and no cab for me, the walk home was pleasant. looking forward to
some active rest before the series starts. the games are only getting
better. i'm sure of that. i'm sure it doesn't suck to lose every
rosham. i sure as hell i didn't expect to lose in that final. i'm
sure bravo isn't looking past anyone. i'm sure the clown will keep
circling the car. and i'm sure there's wood to be found so up with
the wood....
dar.
Brodie
what the point you were trying to make after the first paragraph but I
am going to back Match up here. I enjoy reading his material both on
his blog and Mssui. He has a real passion for the game and tries very
hard to do the best he can. If im not mistaken I dont think he is
getting paid to fly to tournaments to report on (could be wrong). And
as a player myself I like what he is trying to do to the sport. He is
trying to make it more legitimate. As much as I love frisbee it sucks
that its not a sport. Match understands where Ultimate needs to go
and thats what we need more of. We don't need haters inside the
community because there are plenty of them outside.
if someone wants to tell me who dar is or whether he was being serious
that would be cool
Brodie
Scott
was kept track of, dar would own every record and would have probably
been given a lifetime achievement award by now. It's stunning that he
can keep performing at such a high level, even when people should know
better. Keep up the good work.
Scott
Adam Dyer
Frankly, who the hell else is going to put as much time into covering
ultimate as he does? His writing skills seem to be vastly improved...
though he might want to channel that writing into his thesis. :-)
MrP...@gmail.com
Well, yeah, but the puppy killing Matt's photos, that was real,
right? And I've totally met the Koala. Anyhow, Mr. Dar, nice to see
again, I remember playing against you and the brown baggers, but it's
totally different now. That Johnny purple really brings out your
eyes. All that said, and granted that your personal efforts were
noble, it sounds like your Bravos let Sockeye take the tourney and Jam
take the party...? Perhaps there really ain't no party like a west
coast party. Not that I have anything to say for myself, by the time
all that was going down, my ass was back up in Mountain View playing
video games with my old high school buddies.
Also, wrt Idaho, be careful around red-colored tree frogs, I think
that means that they're poisonous.
~p
MD
> what the point you were trying to make after the first paragraph
I thought you knew the scene better than that Brah-die. Dar is both
serious and not serious, all at the same time.
> but I am going to back Match up here. I enjoy reading his material both on
> his blog and Mssui. He has a real passion for the game and tries very
> hard to do the best he can.
So does that mean he gets the kid gloves treatment because he is doing
"the best he can"? If someone sees fault or flaw in his writings,
should we not point it out cuz he's our special little guy?
> If im not mistaken I dont think he is
> getting paid to fly to tournaments to report on (could be wrong). And
> as a player myself I like what he is trying to do to the sport.
I understand that you get what you pay for when you read a free blog
and MSSUI articles, and I'm not looking for a money-back guarantee. I
also like what he's trying to do for the sport and provide as much
information as possible to the more casual fan base.
> He is trying to make it more legitimate. As much as I love frisbee it sucks
> that its not a sport. Match understands where Ultimate needs to go
> and thats what we need more of. We don't need haters inside the
> community because there are plenty of them outside.
Addressing purely the external quality of the game (i.e. the off-field/
spectating portion as to avoid a rules debate), you make the sport
more legitimate by raising the bar on your coverage and presentation
of it.
I too admire Match's passion for ultimate and writing about it, but
that doesn't mean he gets a free pass with respects to quality or
content.
He also loves the attention and illusion of self-importance, but
that's a separate issue entirely.
Frankie
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Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
> > but I am going to back Match up here. I enjoy reading his material both on
> > his blog and Mssui. He has a real passion for the game and tries very
> > hard to do the best he can.
>
> So does that mean he gets the kid gloves treatment because he is doing
> "the best he can"? If someone sees fault or flaw in his writings,
> should we not point it out cuz he's our special little guy?
I think that with Match we're seeing the pitfalls of sports journalism
from the other side. I expect that lots of us read newspaper
reporters or ESPN columnists writing about baseball, or football, or
basketball. And they certainly don't always get things right, they
aren't always people who've played the game, and they often have their
own agenda. Match is just the Bill Simmons of ultimate.
sam th
Jerrod
What is the link to Match's blog?
Ryan Thompson
dar
just because he wanted to or can...or both! and yes, the red tree
frogs are second most dangerous to a perriwinkle colored tree frog.
as for match and his writing abilities/efforts...let's not throw out
'hate' like i want to eat his unborn children. my diet is better than
that. it's clear he can't take his criticism, as evidenced by
deleting comments from his blog. he's afraid of the monsters under
the bed. you won't find that shit over here -- you got somethin' to
say, you can say it. the monsters always got somethin' to say and they
say it out in the open, all free and easy like. i mean, if you're
gonna sport fire and brimstone all up on your blog, don't you think
you'd be welcoming a little heat? on this blog, we wood up!
dar
BJ
> If im not mistaken I dont think he is
> getting paid to fly to tournaments to report on (could be wrong).
question: was he at labor day?
(i cheated, i already knew the)
answer: no
this is no fault of his own, there is no money to be made, and flying
is expensive. but it exposes an obvious flaw in his system. for any
real reporting there needs to be a network of reporters giving
feedback to the compiler (match, presently). with the lack of crowds
at our immensely popular sport, the best way to do this would be to
have a contact on each team that can say what they thought about each
team played. after a tournament's worth of games, there would be
enough cross referencing to filter out the data that agrees between
the different sources and create a solid report. Match's renown should
have people fighting to be their teams contact.
Wiggins did this for thehuddle, but he is one guy, and, quite wisely
and admirably, limited his commentary to teams who he played or got to
watch in person. if one guy from each team did something similar to
ben, you could create a solid base from which to write a good write-up
(minus sensationalist language plzzzzzz).
dar
Match's renown should
> have people fighting to be their teams contact.
>
at the camping trip this weekend, we're having a raffle as to who gets
to be the contact. i didn't enter. there will be no fighting.
jsut seem slike you'd want to be sure about something if you were
gonna state that you were sure of it. i assuredly assure you that
match wasn't sure about everything he stated he was sure of. to say
as much was surely wrong. for damn sure.
dar
BJ
stop calling me shirley
Fish
wrote:
> Match is an idiot.
maybe the first time i have ever agreed with you, frank.
i don't understand why anyone cares what match has to say about
ultimate.
jacob
Do you like Gladiator movies?
dsb
> Wiggins did this for thehuddle, but he is one guy, and, quite wisely
> and admirably, limited his commentary to teams who he played or got to
> watch in person. if one guy from each team did something similar to
> ben, you could create a solid base from which to write a good write-up
> (minus sensationalist language plzzzzzz).
Curse the huddle and it's sensationalistic wordzzz! Wiggins doesn't
want to talk about sockeye cause he might give up their 'cheat to win'
strategy. He's definitely not an expert cause a true expert would
tell me so. Well, maybe an expert in cheating. Right frank?
Oh you're talking about Match. Right. For what it's worth, Match did
have his cousin there getting some firsthand info. He might have
talked to a couple more people. But he certainly does editorialize
with his limited info... and we eat it up. Sure we hold our nose
sometimes or make a funny face... ("top journalist in ultimate" ;x,
the deleting comments bit :/) but hey, it's fun and something more
entertaining than the upa magazine and it's 50% high school writeups,
25% dated college writeup, and 2 editorials of people talking about
themselves.
And one small quibble dar - a defensed dump, no matter how awesome the
defense, should be considered a 'botched' dump. Doesn't change the
fact it was great defense, but I would say any dump's got to be high
percentage. Perhaps chain should try some 'miss direction.' An
inverted pivot maybe?
ps I don't really know BLW or think he's a cheater (or sockeye for
that matter, although they may be getting a call-making reputation)
but I do have an amusing (to me at least) anecdote - at potlatch our
drunk sideline is lustily booing a ben wiggins call on the field when
he turns in frustration and asks "who here thinks I'm a cheater?" a
quite brilliant unintentional self-heckle I must say. I think the
time it took Ben to realize this and turn away was perhaps a half-
second slower than it took our poll to come back unanimous. Hooray
democracy!
swill...@yahoo.com
Why does anyone care about what you don't understand?
More importantly, why are you reading this crap?
And still reading...
Why?
2 words. Bored. Yuppy.
Got more time than function, and more money than time.
Of course that doesn't make sense.
But yuppies don't care.
That's the beauty of money.
And dar, one word. Twitter.
Score online.
Match idiot.
Eat beef.
$1700 tab.
No arrests.
Frankie
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Frankie
how universally disliked BLW is.
jacob
without actually disliking him. I think a few others are in this
boat.
I did hear that BLW made some bad calls in the Potlatch finals, but
Jews like to complain.
Al3x
Match's. Not to say Match's blog sucks, I really like it. But until
everyone else starts bringing up different blogs that are WAY awesomer
than Match's... Match is the best we've got. Which again, I think is
pretty good. inb4 oh but he's still an idiot. Yeah every is entitled
to their opinion, but you're still reading his writeups huh?
Alex
Frankie
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Seamus
> 2 words. Bored. Yuppy.
dsb
wrote:
Just cause people don't like you and you get heckled a lot doesn't
mean because blw is heckled a lot he is disliked. I'm sure mr pinto
has a fancy name for that logical fallacy.
Douglas T Lilley
I agree, I like reading his stuff. He's well informed (i.e. better
informed than me) and he knows a lot about the players on the top 20
or so Open teams, which is what I want to read about. And *highest
possible praise for an Ultimate blog* he is not boring. There are a
couple of disc blogs that are so painfully boring that I wince when I
see the byline. Thankfully, we are not forced to read them. Match
and The Huddle are the best things out there IMHO.
Frankie
this.
Match and the-huddle are garbage.
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Al3x
wrote:
> Douglas, you really shouldn't go out of your way to embarrass yourself like
> this.
>
> Match and the-huddle are garbage.
>
No you're absolutely right. The alternative means of getting
information about our sport are INFINITELY better.
dus...@gmail.com
>He's well informed (i.e. better
> informed than me) and he knows a lot about the players on the top 20
> or so Open teams, which is what I want to read about.
Those who are truly informed know that he doesn't really know anything
about the top 20 or so open teams. College or club. Its painfully
obvious that he gets most of his information second hand off the
internet and has never really seen a lot of these teams play. He's
been a rabid fan of Furious for the past decade and the first time he
saw them play was a few weeks ago at Worlds. Its also painfully
obvious that he doesn't understand the nuances of the game at the top
levels of college and club disc.
>And *highest
> possible praise for an Ultimate blog* he is not boring. There are a
> couple of disc blogs that are so painfully boring that I wince when I
> see the byline. Thankfully, we are not forced to read them. Match
> and The Huddle are the best things out there IMHO.
Boring? usually not (unless you read the whole 3500 word article).
Entertaining? laughably so. Accurate or reliable? Hardly.
Huddle >> Match as far as content goes
Match >> Huddle as far as entertainment goes
Jay Schulkin
In it you will find possibly slanderous opinion, firsthand
observations, and no claim of journalistic integrity.
Douglas T Lilley
This was my intro to your blog and it was saved to favorites right
away. Thanks for making those of us on the sidelines feel like we
have some idea of what's going on out there. The firsthand nature of
the observations was noticable.
MrP...@gmail.com
> On Sep 3, 3:31 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> Just cause people don't like you and you get heckled a lot doesn't
> mean because blw is heckled a lot he is disliked. I'm sure mr pinto
> has a fancy name for that logical fallacy.
Don't tempt me, or I'll have to dust off the idea of fallacy bingo...
Still, that might as well be my version of a bat signal, so who am I
to turn down the call?
You can say that Frank's case amounts to a correlation of heckling and
dislike, but that doesn't imply causation: he could be disliked
because he was heckled (i.e., the hecklers are being taken seriously),
or there could be a third factor in play (he's condescending and
therefore he is both disliked and heckled). The fancy term for all of
that is "cum hoc ergo propter hoc."
Alternatively, you can assume that all who are disliked are heckled,
but still maintain that all those who are heckled are not necessarily
disliked. An assumption that "all who are disliked are heckled"
implies "all who are heckled are disliked" is making the mistake of
assuming that a converse is always true. The fancy term for all of
that is "affirming the consequent."
Really though, I don't see a strong association here. Everybody gets
heckled, and the more they see you, the more you get heckled. Sockeye
tend to be playing in those games on Sunday afternoons when everyone's
drunk and heckling. I suppose that if Ben starts getting bummed about
being the worst pirate the peanut gallery has ever heard of, he can
take heart in the fact that the peanut gallery has at least heard of
him (thanks Johnny Depp). Perhaps Sockeye could adopt the policy of
the New York Yankees: they don't wear names on their jerseys under the
reasoning that if you're a Yankee, everyone already knows who you
are. The opposition heckle Jeter and A-Rod too, I understand.
~p
MrP...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Douglas, you really shouldn't go out of your way to embarrass yourself like
> this.
Frank, it appears that you've bought into the "if some doesn't work,
try more" strategy. Such a guiding force dictates the American use of
violence in foreign policy and appears to guide your use of
condescending asshattery. Maybe next time you'll convince someone of
something. If you care so much about the sport, why invest so much
effort in trolling?
You know what they say: if you've got something productive to say,
being mean just gets in the way. And if you don't... well, I guess
then you'd just be embarrassing yourself, huh?
~p
CBrowning
> Douglas, you really shouldn't go out of your way to embarrass yourself like
> this.
Exactly! Why embarass yourself that way when Frank can show you so
many better ways to embarass yourself? You could make a website
dedicated to an imaginary sport. You could dedicate countless hours
to arguing the faults of a sport that you claim is dead. You could
make a video of yourself standing in a park throwing discs at no one.
You could dance around and give hundreds of people the finger while
playing ultimate in a game that is entirely exhibition. You could
invent a ridiculous offense and trumpet its superiority when it has
never once been tested at a high level. You could be unclever to the
point of making lame comments like "you really shouldn't go out of
your way to embarass yourself like this."
There are so many good ways to embarass yourself, why limit it to just
one?
BJ
ben's a pretty nice guy. as a player with more exposure than almost
anyone else in the history of our sport, i think heckling is
inevitable due to everyone's familiarity with his face/name. Saying he
is disliked bc of heckling is like saying no one likes Matt Lane
because of Flip-Flop.
also, a bit of irony in the fact that you, Frank, are calling someone
else in the ultimate community (that's right ultimate community, there
is no 'scoops community, you are stuck with us stone aged peeps)
disliked when you are the most disliked person in said group?
dar
is that you, Hill? jesus, you would go to bat for match, what, with
all the fantastic fellatio he gives your beloved florida. he is
certainly entitled to his opinion and i'm entitled to calling him out
when he tries to pass his opinion for fact. i read the newspaper too
and don't agree with everything i read there either, but i keep
reading and until they publish an occasionally submitted letter to the
editor, i'm left to grumble in the comforts of my home. with match's
opinion piece, i'm able to voice my thoughts on his content right here
on my blog. if only cause i can. there are plenty of blogs that
suck, and yes, match may be a capable writer, but colonel mustard and
i are on the case lookin' for the evidence. hell, i bet with your
first year of college firmly under your belt, you too could write
something about labor day by looking at the score reproter and
havinga discussion with your cousin/friends/whoever the hell it was
that reported back to match. throw out some names of duders on teams,
attach an opinion about their play and make some guesses as to how it
all went down, without ever telling us much. reminds me of the story
of how mat lane lost all those photos at college nationals this year.
i don't have to settle for his opinions to read as actual facts.
he's the best we've got? great. the best we got better fine tune his
shit or people will continue to shed light on his levels of ignorance,
however big or small they may be. don't fuckin' settle alex. i read
far enough to see little improvement in what match has to offer as
'reporting'. stay tuned as he'll probably offer us all some unique
insight to heavyweights, only with different team names, different
player names, and the same innacurate opinions disguised as fact.
and frank, while i'm here, go start your own thread about something
else as this one pertains to ultimate and ultimate players and their
shenanigans. you're a whole different animal. i'll page you when i
want your crazy ass opinion.
dar
DikEar
I believe a "booyah" is appropriate here. Carry on.
-dik
Brodie
> first year of college firmly under your belt, you too could write
> something about labor day by looking at the score reproter and
> havinga discussion with your cousin/friends/whoever the hell it was
> that reported back to match.
Alex can't write good