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hbrumby
Feb 6, 2012, 1:00:04 AM2/6/12
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So I just stumbled upon this page:
http://bluegrassrevolution.com/2012/02/04/overall-combine-results/
Questions that come to mind:
1. I know Nicky Spiva can jump, but 41"? Granted, it is only
4" higher than his measured "approach vertical" from the
Nexgen combine so more plausible than it first appeared.
2. Is he going to commute from Atlanta to play for the team,
or does he actually live closer to there?
3. Does anyone know who the other big leapers (or basically
any other names from the combine) are?
4. Where does Kentucky rank among states in terms of
ultimate popularity--I'd guess in the lower 40s? If the
team's management succeeds in getting fans out to see the
Revolution (especially considering their issues finding a
venue, referenced elsewhere on the website), my hat's off to
them.
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http://bluegrassrevolution.com/2012/02/04/overall-combine-results/
Questions that come to mind:
1. I know Nicky Spiva can jump, but 41"? Granted, it is only
4" higher than his measured "approach vertical" from the
Nexgen combine so more plausible than it first appeared.
2. Is he going to commute from Atlanta to play for the team,
or does he actually live closer to there?
3. Does anyone know who the other big leapers (or basically
any other names from the combine) are?
4. Where does Kentucky rank among states in terms of
ultimate popularity--I'd guess in the lower 40s? If the
team's management succeeds in getting fans out to see the
Revolution (especially considering their issues finding a
venue, referenced elsewhere on the website), my hat's off to
them.
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James Highsmith
Feb 6, 2012, 5:50:03 AM2/6/12
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Here's me betting/knowing those are all inaccurate.
Vertical leap combine testing typically implies that it was
a standing vert...which would then mean Spiva increased his
vert by over 10 inches since Nex Gen...
If it's approach vertical, then all of these guys are better
athletes than nex gen players...including Spiva, who
remarkably increased his vert by 4 inches...
Vertical leap combine testing typically implies that it was
a standing vert...which would then mean Spiva increased his
vert by over 10 inches since Nex Gen...
If it's approach vertical, then all of these guys are better
athletes than nex gen players...including Spiva, who
remarkably increased his vert by 4 inches...
Jake Fox-Lonh
Feb 6, 2012, 9:25:03 AM2/6/12
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The vertical leap test was, apparently, not tested with a
traditional "hit the sticks" device, but a homemade skylight
thing. This probably led to some inaccuracy and possibly
some number-fudging, but that's just speculation. But I
don't know why they don't just say the catch height.
traditional "hit the sticks" device, but a homemade skylight
thing. This probably led to some inaccuracy and possibly
some number-fudging, but that's just speculation. But I
don't know why they don't just say the catch height.
rrudnic
Feb 6, 2012, 10:02:12 AM2/6/12
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I want to know how they timed the 40's because there are like 5 people
on that list that ran a faster 40 then Ken Porter, and a couple more
that ran it the same.
on that list that ran a faster 40 then Ken Porter, and a couple more
that ran it the same.
Torre
Feb 6, 2012, 10:24:45 AM2/6/12
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Spiva is in Nashville I believe.
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Nick
Feb 6, 2012, 10:25:14 AM2/6/12
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We had a guy jump ~43" on an approach vert at the CT
combine. Lots of people in the mid / high 30s too which is
very solid. Did standing verts with a 'jump pad' where the
numbers were lower but still impressive.
http://youtu.be/abdiFrIem9k
combine. Lots of people in the mid / high 30s too which is
very solid. Did standing verts with a 'jump pad' where the
numbers were lower but still impressive.
http://youtu.be/abdiFrIem9k
Nick
Feb 6, 2012, 1:54:27 PM2/6/12
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I'm a bit skeptical at the results as well, because even
some of the forty times are a bit quick from what I know
about the fastest elite Ulty scene:
'Unofficial' Record Holder:
Ken Porter (Ring) 4.66
Bluegrass Revolution Combine Results:
Charlie Edmiston 4.66
Anthony Cain 4.53
Ben Blatz 4.63
Zach Shunk 4.66
Jordan Bates 4.65
I don't know any of these names in case they play on
'smaller' teams but with that said with these times it seems
Bluegrass would have no excuse not being the fastest team in
the league
some of the forty times are a bit quick from what I know
about the fastest elite Ulty scene:
'Unofficial' Record Holder:
Ken Porter (Ring) 4.66
Bluegrass Revolution Combine Results:
Charlie Edmiston 4.66
Anthony Cain 4.53
Ben Blatz 4.63
Zach Shunk 4.66
Jordan Bates 4.65
I don't know any of these names in case they play on
'smaller' teams but with that said with these times it seems
Bluegrass would have no excuse not being the fastest team in
the league
Torre
Feb 6, 2012, 2:03:54 PM2/6/12
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Anthony Cain is from Chattanooga, but didn't play club last
season, he's currently playing with UT-Chattanooga.
season, he's currently playing with UT-Chattanooga.
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Mark
Feb 6, 2012, 2:32:07 PM2/6/12
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Quote:
combine vs automated timing for the other times you mention?
That would easily account for the difference.
Or maybe they just lied about the times to instill fear in
the hearts of their opponents :)
To echo an earlier poster, I also don't know why a team
combine would be interested in adjusted vertical (like 36")
vs absolute height reached (like 11'). While the former is
interesting and gives the short guys an equal opportunity to
be on the list, the latter seems more representative of what
will happen on the field. I mean who would you rather have,
a 5'7" guy with a 36" vertical or a 6'5" guy with a 32"
vertical?
> I'm a bit skeptical at the results as well, because even
> some of the forty times are a bit quick from what I know
> about the fastest elite Ulty scene:
Perhaps they used manual timing at the Bluegrass Revolution
> some of the forty times are a bit quick from what I know
> about the fastest elite Ulty scene:
combine vs automated timing for the other times you mention?
That would easily account for the difference.
Or maybe they just lied about the times to instill fear in
the hearts of their opponents :)
To echo an earlier poster, I also don't know why a team
combine would be interested in adjusted vertical (like 36")
vs absolute height reached (like 11'). While the former is
interesting and gives the short guys an equal opportunity to
be on the list, the latter seems more representative of what
will happen on the field. I mean who would you rather have,
a 5'7" guy with a 36" vertical or a 6'5" guy with a 32"
vertical?
Barrett
Feb 6, 2012, 6:44:22 PM2/6/12
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One reason to include vertical (vs just abs. height) is to give a
measure of explosiveness/power (which I'd guess is why the NFL and NBA
include it).
While for a jump ball in the endzone I'd probably go with absolute
height, I'd prefer the more explosive player in most other situations
on the field.
measure of explosiveness/power (which I'd guess is why the NFL and NBA
include it).
While for a jump ball in the endzone I'd probably go with absolute
height, I'd prefer the more explosive player in most other situations
on the field.
Loren
Feb 7, 2012, 2:05:05 PM2/7/12
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It was measured with a stop watch from a volunteer at the
finish line. That volunteer signaled to a volunteer at the
starting line. Definitely not the highest accuracy, but I
saw a handful of people rerun their 40 with very similar
(under a tenth of a second differences) times. Obviously not
the best method, but it worked for what they wanted.
finish line. That volunteer signaled to a volunteer at the
starting line. Definitely not the highest accuracy, but I
saw a handful of people rerun their 40 with very similar
(under a tenth of a second differences) times. Obviously not
the best method, but it worked for what they wanted.
Mark
Feb 7, 2012, 2:53:30 PM2/7/12
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Quote:
According to this post
http://www.rsdnospam.com/index.php?t=msg&th=37209&goto=110599&#msg_110599
it was hand-timed.
According to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_automatic_time
manual timing typically removes 0.24 seconds from the time
(compared with fully automatic timing).
You also didn't ask how accurately they measured the 40
yards. Maybe someone just paced it off.
I would say your best bet is not to stress over comparing
the 40-yard times from different settings, unless they are
specifically working at making an "official" time
(considering timing method, distance, surface and, if
outdoors, wind, among other things).
http://www.rsdnospam.com/index.php?t=msg&th=37209&goto=110599&#msg_110599
it was hand-timed.
According to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_automatic_time
manual timing typically removes 0.24 seconds from the time
(compared with fully automatic timing).
You also didn't ask how accurately they measured the 40
yards. Maybe someone just paced it off.
I would say your best bet is not to stress over comparing
the 40-yard times from different settings, unless they are
specifically working at making an "official" time
(considering timing method, distance, surface and, if
outdoors, wind, among other things).
Mark
Feb 7, 2012, 2:53:40 PM2/7/12
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Quote:
to success in the agility drill. I suppose there is a lot of
overlap in the athleticism metrics (and in useful ultimate
skills) among explosiveness, quickness and speed.
> One reason to include vertical (vs just abs. height) is
> to give a
> measure of explosiveness/power (which I'd guess is why
> the NFL and NBA
> include it).
That makes sense. But the explosiveness would also factor in
> to give a
> measure of explosiveness/power (which I'd guess is why
> the NFL and NBA
> include it).
to success in the agility drill. I suppose there is a lot of
overlap in the athleticism metrics (and in useful ultimate
skills) among explosiveness, quickness and speed.
Mike L
Feb 7, 2012, 4:25:03 PM2/7/12
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Where the 40-time matters is how the athletes at the combine
compare to each other. Same for the vert and everything
else. As for the comparison to KP's timed 40... wasn't his
run outdoors on grass? If they were running inside with hand
timing at the combine, I suspect that could make a large
difference.
Even if these guys only translate to a 5-second 40 at best
on grass, I'd still be impressed by the collective athletic
ability of the group. Yeah, we haven't heard of most of
them. So what? There are lots of very good players out there
who aren't on the big-name teams.
compare to each other. Same for the vert and everything
else. As for the comparison to KP's timed 40... wasn't his
run outdoors on grass? If they were running inside with hand
timing at the combine, I suspect that could make a large
difference.
Even if these guys only translate to a 5-second 40 at best
on grass, I'd still be impressed by the collective athletic
ability of the group. Yeah, we haven't heard of most of
them. So what? There are lots of very good players out there
who aren't on the big-name teams.
James Highsmith
Feb 8, 2012, 5:10:03 PM2/8/12
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canis216 wrote on Tue, 07 February 2012 16:21
KP's was electronically timed.
4.66 is BLAZING...and probably looks like a 4.4 at that
combine.
4.66 is BLAZING...and probably looks like a 4.4 at that
combine.
Jay
Feb 13, 2012, 11:34:51 PM2/13/12
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Brodie Smith announced this week that he is going to play
with in the AUDL, but he doesn't know what team yet. Do you
all think this could start the integration of some premier
players in the league? Could this help the league last?
with in the AUDL, but he doesn't know what team yet. Do you
all think this could start the integration of some premier
players in the league? Could this help the league last?
Robert Bosworth
Feb 18, 2012, 7:58:52 AM2/18/12
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Brodie Smith "announced" he would play AUDL? Without knowing
the team? I would have hoped that someone of such importance
wouldn't keep us in suspense when issuing a press release.
the team? I would have hoped that someone of such importance
wouldn't keep us in suspense when issuing a press release.
Euh
Feb 18, 2012, 8:40:03 AM2/18/12
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Joeyboz wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 19:46
> Brodie Smith "announced" he would play AUDL? Without
> knowing the team? I would have hoped that someone of such
> importance wouldn't keep us in suspense when issuing a
> press release.
It's a good way to negociate a higher salary.
> knowing the team? I would have hoped that someone of such
> importance wouldn't keep us in suspense when issuing a
> press release.
BJ
Feb 25, 2012, 6:55:03 PM2/25/12
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if you have a 42 inch jump and run a 4.53, you are getting
paid to play something, but it isn't ultimate.
paid to play something, but it isn't ultimate.
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