Conference 1 - Team Captains
Black Tide Captains
This is Tim Beatty, one of the captains from UCSB Black Tide. We have
been talking to a lot of the teams supposedly invited to Conference 1
and it seems as though a lot of teams are going to be passive and wait
for any development from other teams. I completely understand why this
is the case and am myself in the same boat. I am intrigued by this
idea of Conference 1 and see a lot of pros and cons regarding this.
But, still I do not want to make a move and be kind of stuck in no
man's land if most of the other teams refuse to switch; but I also
don't want the most elite teams in the nation to make the switch and
be somewhat of an outsider looking in while the best competition
battles it out. I'm sure this is the way most teams feel right now,
not to mention a boat load of other questions and concerns that I
have. Is there any way that the teams invited to Conference1 can have
more of an efficient discussion about it and possibly come to a
conclusion collectively, sort of like a union? Anyways, just a
thought. I'd like to hear from some of the other team captains
invited. Any talk at all from the parties involved...
-BFT
joad...@ec.rr.com
wrote:
what you guys need is an exclusive rsd or blog thread so that JUST the
team captians can talk it out but so the rest of us can listen.
Seems like some of the random interviews are helpin out but it also
seems like there is a certian amount of urgancey.
Maybe the c1 teams should form some kind of a union so that you
negotiate with them(c1) as a unit. But you got to get your own shit
together first. like we used to say back in the 60's "organize man,
organize."......or get some good representation.
Dave Branick (ME-O)
Daag Alemayehu
> negotiate with them(c1) as a unit. But you got to get your own shit
> together first. like we used to say back in the 60's "organize man,
I believe the last time UCSB got some representation to deal with an
ultimate governing body, things didn't really work out the way they
wanted...
casey...@gmail.com
of that but it seems that issues like this should have been worked out
before hand... team captains, and the UPA should have known about this
and had communication and input into it, rather than just being thrown
under the bus with a "join or die" idea. I kinda feel the same way
that everyone else does... it's a good idea, but could be too much of
a leap instead of a step into the right direction... potential for
great growth and potential for great failure. Anyways best of luck to
you captains who have to make this difficult decision... I know
personally South Regionals will not be the same without Kansas and
Texas but if you guys do decide to go C1 then put a freaking UPA South
Region beat down on those other C1 teams.
Casey boy
arkansas 24
joad...@ec.rr.com
> On Oct 17, 8:37 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:.
>
> > negotiate with them(c1) as a unit. But you got to get your own shit
> > together first. like we used to say back in the 60's "organize man,
> > organize."......or get some good representation.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I believe the last time UCSB got some representation to deal with an
> ultimate governing body, things didn't really work out the way they
> wanted...
i was refering to myself.......i could moonlight as an ultimate agent.
joad...@ec.rr.com
> ... I know
> personally South Regionals will not be the same without Kansas and
> Texas
wont it make it a little cooler for two other teams though. And what
team that isnt in the top 25 has a rats chance in hell of even making
upa nationals much less winning it? YOU GUYS SHOULD PUMPED AT THE
PROSPECT OF THIS!!!! This is a win win for everybody.
and rather than the upa bitching an moaning about it they should take
this as an opportunity to quit neglecting the lower level teams and
provied tiered competition opportunities that go beyond being "one and
done" at sectionals.
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but if you guys do decide to go C1 then put a freaking UPA South
> Region beat down on those other C1 teams.
see now this is a great attitude.......way to be supportive. And look
at what it could do for ultimate accross the board if c1 takes off.
Also.....in the long term, who ever contols college ultimate,
eventually its all gonna get swallowed up by the ncaa anyways. So why
not just have a "lets go for it" attitude. whats the worst that can
become of it? It fails and we go back to the upa/sanils pace
progression theory.
MrP...@gmail.com
> And what
> team that isnt in the top 25 has a rats chance in hell of even making
> upa nationals much less winning it?
I'd figure that the teams that actually DID make nationals last year
but didn't get the C1 invite have a decent chance of getting back, C1
or no. Don't you?
> Also.....in the long term, who ever contols college ultimate,
> eventually its all gonna get swallowed up by the ncaa anyways.
As noted elsewhere, NCAA status would be great for the women, but is
unlikely to help the men under the current arrangement. I don't see
anyway that open doesn't stay club for the foreseeable future, do you?
~p
S
win is a win, but I remember beating Georgia 2 years ago when they
were number 4 and we were number 22. That feels better. I want to be
the best because I beat the best, not because I beat who's around.
-Yankee (UCF)
jacob...@gmail.com
team a "lower level team." Our "lower level team" eliminated Kansas
at Regionals and lost to Texas on Ultimate point at President's Day.
We welcome the chance to play Texas and Kansas in the future, if the
opportunity presents itself again.
p.s. you lost my vote
p.p.s. cue smarmy reply
Bjaxx
Arkansas President
jacob
deny being lower level. The accomplishments of Arkansas ultimate
speak for themselves.
kinsella
the new moniker... :)
K
On Oct 17, 2:16 am, Black Tide Captains <blacktidecapta...@gmail.com>
wrote:
KK26
own google group or be in communication, I assure that we are. We have
been all communicating through email with each other since the moment
of the announcement. Tim if you haven't been receiving these emails
please let me know and I will and add you to the list.
I think the ultimate community needs to know that we are being very
rational with our conversation and have made it a point not to rush
into any decisions. We are looking at much more than what is best for
just our individual teams, we are looking into what is best for every
college team and the ultimate community in general.
There is still a lot of information to be sorted and hopefully the
continuing talks between Cultimate and the UPA will put us in a better
position to make a decision.
-Kevin "KK" Kelly
University of Kansas
Ryan Thompson
You should be in on those emails now, Tim.
Keith.L...@gmail.com
> rational with our conversation and have made it a point not to rush
> into any decisions. We are looking at much more than what is best for
> just our individual teams, we are looking into what is best for every
> college team and the ultimate community in general.
>
I would like to know if you rational discussion has included talking
to the captains fo the teams C1 has snubbed? Talking about them is one
thing, while talking with them is another.
-Keith
P.S. - I'm not a captain of a snubbed team... I just hope the cool
kids at the table are thinking of the 5-10 best teams that have been
left out.
Ryan Thompson
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been talking with Claremont.
All I can say right now is trust us - almost every other email
mentions that our considerations include not only what's best for our
team, but for other teams and for the college division as a whole.
KK26
Although they have not been cc'd on emails, I know several captains
have been in talks with other snubbed teams. (Myself included)
We are a community of friends, and the second something like this
happens you think of your friends on those teams that were left out.
Its natural to communicate with them and to gauge their reaction. This
weekend several included and non-included teams will be in Wisconsin
for No Wisconsequences. The included captains plan on having a pow-wow
together and will be inviting the snubbed teams captains to be part of
that discussion.
-KK
KU
jacob
"The Warriors." Caaaaaaaaan you diiiiiiiiiiiig it????
La Maldad
> I just hope this big meeting ends better than the opening scene of
> "The Warriors." Caaaaaaaaan you diiiiiiiiiiiig it????
Warriors! Come out and plaaaayyy!
Hh
jeremia...@gmail.com
todd
shut the fuck up
Ulty Arnie
jeremia...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you know if NC State, UNC, or UNCW is on this e-mail list? I play
at NC State and do not believe we are on this list. I know we have
been in contact with friends on other C1 teams and on non-C1 teams,
but do not believe we are directly involved in this e-mail list.
joad...@ec.rr.com
> That's a terrible argument. Who wants to beat weaker competition. A
> win is a win, but I remember beating Georgia 2 years ago when they
> were number 4 and we were number 22. That feels better. I want to be
> the best because I beat the best, not because I beat who's around.
well then make the cut yankee.....if you and other teams, like
arizona, are gettin snubbed the it should just make you even hungrier
to show the critics that you were unjustly looked over. just grow
some balls and deal. and havent they proposed a system in which teams
can move up?
MrP...@gmail.com
> On Oct 17, 10:15 am, S <ehste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's a terrible argument. Who wants to beat weaker competition. A
> > win is a win, but I remember beating Georgia 2 years ago when they
> > were number 4 and we were number 22. That feels better. I want to be
> > the best because I beat the best, not because I beat who's around.
>
> well then make the cut yankee...
What cut? There weren't "cuts," there were two dudes in a room,
picking teams they liked.
..if you and other teams, like
> arizona, are gettin snubbed the it should just make you even hungrier
> to show the critics that you were unjustly looked over. just grow
> some balls and deal. and havent they proposed a system in which teams
> can move up?
Sort of. One a year, but nothing's really finalized. And that
doesn't mean shit to a current senior, and you know that. What would
your reaction have been if the Slickers had made quarters one year,
and the next year the UPA said "we're taking 25 teams, but you guys
don't get to go, because we don't like you enough." You'd have been
fucking pissed, that's what. If they gave you the opportunity to work
your way back in over the next few years but you were a year away from
hanging up your cleats, you'd have some legitimate gripes.
Zona's got a pretty legit beef here. It's like the women's team from
UCSD where they got banned from the series after a facebook incident.
Except Zona's ranked higher, and *there was no incident*.
If ever there was a "cut," Zona made it last year. Quit carrying
water for the bullshit list of teams just because you're stoked that
they're sticking it to the UPA. Show some intellectual honesty for
once. You'd probably be up in arms if UNCW hadn't been selected (and
they shouldn't have been - UCF finished higher in the series last
year, won the head-to-head, and missed the "cut").
~p
joad...@ec.rr.com
>
> What cut? There weren't "cuts," there were two dudes in a room,
> picking teams they liked.
that WAS the cut.....dumbass!
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>
> Sort of. One a year, but nothing's really finalized. And that
> doesn't mean shit to a current senior, and you know that.
oh well, somtimes people get caught in the transition phase of shit in
life. Its a good life lesson. thats why i live by the ole "keep on
truckin" motto
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What would
> your reaction have been if the Slickers had made quarters one year,
> and the next year the UPA said "we're taking 25 teams, but you guys
> don't get to go, because we don't like you enough."
well if they were all progressive and hardcore and i was a pussy
spirit zealot then i guess i would just have to face the facts.....or
jump ship. But if werent pussy spirit zealots.....which we
werent.....and we got unjustly snubbed, i wouldnt get
discouraged......i'd get disc courage.
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You'd have been
> fucking pissed, that's what. If they gave you the opportunity to work
> your way back in over the next few years but you were a year away from
> hanging up your cleats, you'd have some legitimate gripes.
and i'd get over it. In fact i'd probably look back years later and
realize how silly i was for getting overly serious about playing such
a non serious and joke of a sport in the first place.
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>
> Zona's got a pretty legit beef here. It's like the women's team from
> UCSD where they got banned from the series after a facebook incident.
exactly.....and i doubt they are still cryin about it today.
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> Except Zona's ranked higher, and *there was no incident*.
well then they got a legit beef then. Maybe they voiced from the get
go that they wanted no part of suceeding. They ARE kind of a spirit
centric team arent they? Has anyone from zona spoke out here yet????
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>
> If ever there was a "cut," Zona made it last year. Quit carrying
> water for the bullshit list of teams just because you're stoked that
> they're sticking it to the UPA.
i dont really give a fuck WHO the teams are......but I AM quite stoked
they are "stickin it".
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Show some intellectual honesty for
> once.
i just did
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You'd probably be up in arms if UNCW hadn't been selected (and
> they shouldn't have been - UCF finished higher in the series last
> year, won the head-to-head, and missed the "cut").
actually i wouldnt give a flyin fuck. I'm a big picture kind a guy.
On top of that, based on the data that i gathered from various uncw
players, i'm kinda surprised they were down with this whole C1 w/refs
thing anyways.
joe.m...@gmail.com
> > year, won the head-to-head, and missed the "cut").
>
> actually i wouldnt give a flyin fuck. I'm a big picture kind a guy.
> On top of that, based on the data that i gathered from various uncw
> players, i'm kinda surprised they were down with this whole C1 w/refs
> thing anyways.
you're fucking stupid. seriously. shut up. your arguments don't
make any sense. you are just a dumbass who has no stake in all of
this and just wants to play devil's advocate against a bunch of people
who have a lot to lose here. if you think ultimate is "such a non
serious and joke of a sport" then why the hell are you arguing so
vehemently about it on one side? oh wait, why am i trying to reason
with you, I forgot for a second that you're an idiot.
jacob
Oh, what's that, you say? Your goal was not to bring the discussion
above the level of idiocy, but rather just to vent your anger at
Toad? Not exactly a credible position to be taking shots from.
joe.m...@gmail.com
"a credible position to be taking shots from"? is that a phrase
people use or something? sorry i wasn't paying attention, the TV is
playing AFV. I thought you understood my post, but then in your last
sentence you started talking about taking shots. What do you want to
do a shot of?
-Joe
jacob
Jack
> I had hoped that the Arkansas boys would remain mum. Don't call my
> team a "lower level team." Our "lower level team" eliminated Kansas
> at Regionals and lost to Texas on Ultimate point at President's Day.
> We welcome the chance to play Texas and Kansas in the future, if the
> opportunity presents itself again.
>
> p.s. you lost my vote
> p.p.s. cue smarmy reply
>
> Bjaxx
> Arkansas President
Hey, Jacob Perry, suck it.
Love,
Kansas
CBrowning
> "The Warriors." Caaaaaaaaan you diiiiiiiiiiiig it????
"Now, here's the sum total: One gang could run this city! One gang.
Nothing would move without us allowing it to happen. We could tax the
crime syndicates, the police, because WE got the streets, suckers! Can
you dig it?"
Quotes from "The Warriors" just make my day better.