Ultimate Hypocrisy
dott...@yahoo.com
display of sportsmanship/human decency I have ever seen. IT was during
the Vicious/Bulge game-to-go in the southern region. The two teams
played extremely hard and had a pretty fair and clean game.
The particular example of bad sportsmanship actually came from players
on the sideline who were already done with their games and apparently
had nothing better to do. It started with some pretty ill-willed
heckling and loud obscenities, but that is to be expected
(unfortuantely). The scene really got ugly when a couple of doublewide
players started throwing bottles down from the bleachers as well as
other random objects. One wasted kid from the afore-mentioned team made
a complete ass of himself walking on to the viscious sideline and
cheering obnoxiously for them. I dont think that anyone, including the
viscious guys, appreciated it. Correct me if I am wrong.
IT is ok not to like another team. It is ok to cheer for the team you
want to win, that is what sports are all about. COmpetition and
rivalry are key ingredients to top level athleticism and play. HOwever,
along with those particular traits, respect (for players and the
ultimate community) and sportsmanship are even more critical to top
level athletes. The behavior that was demonstrated certainly does not
make a good impression on anyone watching the sport for the first time.
It certainly makes it harder to promote the sport.
It is not OK to throw bottles from the bleachers. It is not OK for the
same people who preach the dreaded SOTG, while playing, to totally
disregard that notion when not playing.
I don't understand why there was not much mention of this in other
postings. Byron briefly touched upon the subject in one of his postings
but said nothing more about it. SHould there be a penalty for this? I
will answer this question with another. WHy implement a card system
that is designed to uphold the integrity of the game, if it is not
going to be used. In my opinion, I think that at the very least, the
players responsible for these actions (the very same player(s) that
resulted to pushing in the Bulge/Doublewide game), if not the team they
represent, should be sanctioned. Taken out of the series and put on
probation for next year. I am not saying that Tampa should get the bid
instead. Please do not mistake this post as an excuse.
My whole point is to bring to attention the hypocrisy of the
"cheat-to-win" cheer that was eminating from the bleachers. Apparently,
it is ok to disregard sportsmanship and in essence cheat, when you are
not part of the game, and to expect the utmost respect and
sportsmanship when you are playing.
I think it is time that things change and some drastic introspection be
taken in the ultimate community.
Jarrid Dotterer
Bulge
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Mike Gerics
<dott...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sc
It was NOT a Doublewide player that threw that beer onto the fields. I
was right there when it happened. Not only that, but your team was
immediately told that it was not any of the Texans. The perpetrator had
already been escorted off by his own teammates, who pretty clearly
recognized that it shouldn't have happened and did what they could to
set things right. You have no excuse not to know better, and you look
like a real cock when you try to settle your personal scores by calling
someone out on a website.
It also bears mentioning that the cheering was not unappreciated by the
Vicious players, who encouraged it the whole time. This might be an
opportunity to ask yourself why no less than four Open teams felt it
was worthwhile to cheer AGAINST you and your teammates. Do you think
there's some significance in that?
Standard disclaimer: I don't play for Doublewide, and had no problem
with the majority of the Bulge guys this weekend.
dott...@yahoo.com wrote:
> This past weekend, I was unfortunate to witness some of the worst
> display of sportsmanship/human decency I have ever seen. IT was during
> the Vicious/Bulge game-to-go in the southern region. The two teams
> played extremely hard and had a pretty fair and clean game....
Byron Hicks
unacceptable and it was.
The player who came down on the sideline while obnoxious didn't really do
anything. The kid was there only for a brief time before I noticed him and I
was already moving to remove him when Jimmy Price asked me to get rid of
him.
As for who threw the stuff I have know way of knowing for sure and I'm
betting you don't either. I would tell their captains to police their team
better and show teams the amount of respect they expect to get.
I don't know what the incident with Ross and Curtis in your earlier game
has to do with any of this. There was some jawing and chest puffing but that
was about it. I don't remember any pushing . I think if Todd or I had seen
that both players would have been gone as it had been spelled out quite
clear what happens to any player who touches another in a situation like
that.
On the use of a card system are you suggesting that I yellow carded or red
carded that whole section of bleachers. Yes a lot of them were being dicks
but I don't see how they were cheating. Until they tell me otherwise I can't
red card someone for being an asshole off the field.
Byron
I said the behavior was unacceptable and it was.
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david e kelly
including jim price). both are nice, enjoyable guys who play hard on
the field. people should try and let go of personal biases or vendettas
before walking onto the field (or sitting in the stands)
dott...@yahoo.com
field. I was on the sideline when the first and second beer bottles
were thrown down and I do know for sure they both came from the
direction of where the doublewide guys were sitting. WHo else was
sitting around them besides doublewide guys? Was it a person from
another team? If so, then everything I said should be applied to them,
and I apologise for my mistake.
It still doesn't make up for the "cheat-to-win" calls and harrassing a
particular player on bulge. I am still appalled at the way a few people
on that sideline acted. And most certainly a couple of them were from
doublewide.
I dont want to be mistaken as calling out a team rather than a few
choice individuals who were on that sideline. Quite honestly, I don't
care what team they were on. They were still the epitomy of hypocrisy
in Ultimate.
Sc
the stands was full of Doublewide players; that same section was also
full of Chain, Suckerpunch, Georgia and Dallas players. I don't support
the antagonistic heckling that I saw from a couple of the Doublewide
guys, but that's a whole different ballpark in my opinion. I'd hate to
see ANY team develop a reputation for bad spirit based on the actions
of one out-of-control individual, especially a reputation based on
misinformation. I hope this helps clear some of that up.
By the way, I also wanted to add that the Vicious sideline was very
quick to the react, and told the crowd in no uncertain terms that it
wasn't the kind of support they wanted.
BUL...@gmail.com
on the field become heckling in any sport?
e.a.
Wagenwheel
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Sounds like a good ass kicking would have done the job. The player
heckling up and down the sidelines wouldn't have lasted one minute
before he would have recieved a flying kung fu kick from a SLICKER. As
for schmucks in the stands, it's easy to heckle in numbers. I remember
some putz talking shit from the stands in a big game at Nationals. I
told him to bring it down to the sidelines and we'd have a go. But he
chose to stay with his boyfriends and heckle in numbers.
I actually respect the drunk kid for heckiling up close and personal on
the sidelines. Still would have kicked his ass or gone to the
hospital/jail trying.
Now as for the beer throwing, anyone sitting near those guys should
have kicked their ass. And those that say violence isn't the answer
never had their ass kicked. Ultimate is definitely ready for the next
level...Ultimate Fighting.
Garrett Dyer
wrote:
>he would have recieved a flying kung fu kick from a SLICKER.
No doubt...just ask Steve Adams.
tatc...@hotmail.com
> "cheat-to-win" cheer
Sounds like a good cheer. I approve of it.
Tom
Hotpants
Wagenwheel wrote:
>
> I actually respect the drunk kid for heckiling up close and personal on
> the sidelines. Still would have kicked his ass or gone to the
> hospital/jail trying.
Right... would this be before or after you get more than 3 teams to
commit to the NUA tournament. I would like to see you try something
like that.
-jdo
texas
biederer
> By the way, I also wanted to add that the Vicious sideline was very
> quick to the react, and told the crowd in no uncertain terms that it
> wasn't the kind of support they wanted.
Got to give Gainesville credit. Calling a time out, forming a chorus
line with the entire team and singing "you've lost that loving feeling"
to the out of control crowd was classic... Hope somebody got that on
tape....
biederer
> By the way, I also wanted to add that the Vicious sideline was very
> quick to the react, and told the crowd in no uncertain terms that it
> wasn't the kind of support they wanted.
Lara
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aw, now that's fucked up g.
besides, steve was never a slicker.
cut clogger
down from camp bULGe to the VC bleachers just to hear it better.
As for the beer bottles, f@*k you for throwing anything on the fields
or at players...your drunk ass deserves a formal beat down from your
own team just to "make things right".
All in all, the VC and Bulge Stands made lots of noise, but no enemies.
We shared beers and Evan Williams throughout the game. Good Fun for a
Great Game.
kwo...@uga.edu
two empty bottles tossed down was from my own hand. Basically I was
just too lazy to climb over a dozen people to get out of the stands and
go find a trash can...so the immediate good idea seemed to be to toss
it onto the sideline below. Clearly that was a bad idea, I didn't even
think about it getting interpreted as an unspirited manuever, and there
weren't any people in the direct vicinity when it landed on the
sideline. As for the full beer that got thrown down, I heard about
that later and was really sorry that someone else decided to take it up
another notch. I'm very sorry to have implicated the Doublewide guys in
any way, they were all sitting around me, and just having a really good
time heckling.
In the future, I hope that my foresight will be a little sharper. I
very much enjoyed the game and both Vicious and Bulge had awesome plays
being made on offense and defense. I sincerely apologize to both teams
for cluttering up their sideline. Sorry to have behaved at all
inappropriately. I heart Doublewide and Chain, don't be unduly angry at
their teams because of any individual's actions.
Katherine
Boe
statement about our team, about this thread, and about much of the
gossip we have seen on rec.sport.disc this year.
I believe Jarrid titled this thread ultimate hypocrisy because our team
has been constantly bombarded with accusations of poor sportsmenship on
this discussion board all year (so much so, our RC felt it necessary to
defend us with a post), but 2 of the teams with better reputations in
the country, Chain & DW, were in a crowd of people that exhibited some
of the poorest sportsmenship i've ever seen in ultimate (the line of
heckling was crossed). I don't know who threw the bottles (other than
Katherine - no hard feelings, but your timing was very poor), nor will
i make any claims about anyone being poorly spirited, but people who
read the gossip press, but don't know the players should know that
bULGe is not any more unsportsmanlike, nor less spirited than any other
team.
As a captain of bULGe, we do not condone cheating, bending the rules,
calling fouls to preserve victories, or some of the other things we
have been accused of on this gossip board. I would not play for a team
that does these things, much less captain one. To clarify, many of the
accusational posts came from people in other regions (for example, The
Fan) or from people that described things that happened during our
games, but not what we did as a team to resolve the situation (for
example, there was a post about our game with GOAT at CHC, that talked
about one player making repeated travel calls -- long story short, we
ended up switching match-ups so we could move on with the game... and
yes the guy travelled nearly every time he had the disc).
Thanks,
bULGe #4, Boe
Wagenwheel
what?
there are still some tecate drinking hecklers that still love
you...wink wink...
see ya natties!
Skizip
The player that wanted to cheer from the sidelines was STRICTLY
cheering POSITIVELY for VC. I know this, because I was the guy
escorting him. He was not down there to heckle, he wasn't down there
to taunt. He was drunk and simply wanted to be closer to the action.
I went with him to make sure he sat down and stayed out of the way of
the players on the sidelines. I, being sober and responsible saw there
being no harm in going down there. Just because that was the last
game of the day, and there were bleachers didn't mean there was any
rule that we couldn't be down there. Fans were on that sideline all
day. There was more than 10yds between sidelines and bleachers. I
was there to make sure soon as anyone asked us to leave, I was going to
take him back out of there. Byron asked, we left. No big deal.
That kid is one of the most spirited and nicest guys I have played
with. Maybe he made him self look a little like a drunk ass, clowning
around the stands, but he certainly was in no way malicious or
poor-spirited. His team shouldn't be thought poorly of for that
either. He was a little overly enthusiastic, but i guarantee if he had
been yelling "bulge" intsead of "Vicious Cycle" when he went down
there, he would not have been mentioned in this post.
what?
M to the C
> going to be used. In my opinion, I think that at the very least, the
> players responsible for these actions (the very same player(s) that
> resulted to pushing in the Bulge/Doublewide game), if not the team they
> represent, should be sanctioned. Taken out of the series and put on
> probation for next year. I am not saying that Tampa should get the bid
> instead. Please do not mistake this post as an excuse.
>
This seems like a harsh penalty. I am not going to pretend I know what
happened. I am just going by what is said on here.
Why would you punish that harshly for such a minor infraction. I think
it's clear that DW guys did not throw bottles on the field and this
other incident was nothing more than "chest puffing" and "jawing."
People get drunk and heckle. It happens at every freakin ultimate
tournament. Apparently, our sport is full of beer and liquor loving
people. Anyways, I have been heckled and yelled out at multiple
tournaments and games and never once has it crossed my mind to result
to phyical action. I think these sober players need to have the
presence of mind that whoever was taunting/pushing/whatever was also
probably drunk and done playing. Step up and be a bigger man. Walk
away and take it with a grain of salt. Sure, you might snap back a
little, but in the end, it's not worth it. You can't win that sort of
shit ever. I really dont think that any of the actions that happened
this weekend warrant any sort of suspension or anything. No one got
hurt and there was no fighting, so I don't see a problem here. What
are we going to charge them with? Excessive heckling? Just be
realistic here guys. people got drunk, went overboard and that's that.
Just walk away.
oh, the things you learn playing club.
matty
Wagenwheel
>Just walk away.
No fight?...Drats!
Ed "Napolean Complex" Wagenseller