Thoughts on an SEC Tournament
Michael McNeil
http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/sec-championships/
Are these athletic conference tie-in tournaments really worth it, at
the risk of alienating all of the smaller teams in the sections?
Regardless I think it is a pretty novel idea, especially given some of
the built-in rivalries.
Jeff
rivalries? The larger leagues such as the Big Ten and SEC
are realistically unworkable as Ultimate leagues. Penn
State should play Pittsburgh, Bucknell and Princeton.
Georgia should play Georgia Tech ...
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Mimmo
tournament a year that has an interesting spin to it.
Actually it's a shorter drive for, say Florida to drive to
Auburn rather than North Carolina. Or for Auburn, Alabama,
Arkansas to drive to Auburn rather than Texas. So your
argument goes begging...
Does Kentucky even have a team?
Will
important to play it up to all the school newspapers, some of the
local papers, and especially the administration. However, you still
can't neglect the Ozark, Bama, Florida and Georgia/South Carolina
Sections. In someways its not any different than the old Div 1
lacrosse conferences that fought different schools in their conference
but still played up the normal conference rivalries.
carth...@gmail.com
I have a little trouble with the schools not supporting the teams on
that level, and I also like that the clubs ride outside the varsity
machine that schools provide. The Hodags are not Badgers, Mamabird is
not the Buffalos, You don't spell Georgia Joja (sp?) and the Zontals
are not the Jayhawks. We can use rivalries all we want, but we are our
own machine and revel in our unique talent pools. Great topic.
JB
ulticritic
> Interesting idea on the Bama Section blog today:
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> http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/sec-championships/
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> Are these athletic conference tie-in tournaments really worth it, at
> the risk of alienating all of the smaller teams in the sections?
YES GOD DAMN IT!!!!!! why you people always so worried abvout hurting
somones feelings at the expense of the sport becoming more legit. I
remember when i was trying to put MLU together one of the GM's was all
worried about those teammates of his that wouldnt make the cut (or the
4 all star teams that were created). Cause when ya take a good look
at the sport its ALREADY overly exclusive competition wise AND
popularity wise. So just do yourselves a favor and pretend like
ultimate is a REAL SPORT.......and start treating it as such
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> Regardless I think it is a pretty novel idea, especially given some of
> the built-in rivalries.
ITS A FUCKIN NO-BRAINER IDEA. in fact, you guys would be smart to try
and start thinking about gettin nacc status........or at least look
into what it would ultimately take to make that transition. But dont
think for a SECOND that this is anything the upa will assist you
with........which is kinda fucked up isnt it. on mean on the one hand
theyde probably face a big financial sacrifice......but on the other
hand it would be GREAT for the sport. As someone that wants to see
the sport advance, that is a sacrifice i'de be more than willing to
make.......but i doubt them upa idiots would.
ulticritic
> Why bound Ultimate by traditional football/basketball
> rivalries?
because its the big leagues, or on the road to the big leagues(of
college sports)........dont you want to see ultimate advance? i just
dont get how you people dont see the value in conforming to the
already established sports world..........in sooooooooooooooooooo many
ways
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The larger leagues such as the Big Ten and SEC
> are realistically unworkable as Ultimate leagues.
well ya got to start somewhere, right? maybe a little "tweeking"
would be appropriate unti it was realistically workable
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Penn
> State should play Pittsburgh, Bucknell and Princeton.
> Georgia should play Georgia Tech ...
tell that to the ncaa
ulticritic
> Nobody is saying redraw the regions dude. Just having one
> tournament a year that has an interesting spin to it.
why just have one though????? why not set it up so that EVERY
CONFERENCE is represented.......THEN have a national tourny at the end
with all the winners. and do it under the management of the
uoa......and do it in the fall......or even early spring.
this was actually one my campaign proposals when i ran for board
ulticritic
will knows what time it is!!!!!
ulticritic
> On Feb 3, 10:24 pm, Will <ozarkultim...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > If you play your cards right it could be worth it. It would be really
> > important to play it up to all the school newspapers, some of the
> > local papers, and especially the administration. However, you still
> > can't neglect the Ozark, Bama, Florida and Georgia/South Carolina
> > Sections. In someways its not any different than the old Div 1
> > lacrosse conferences that fought different schools in their conference
> > but still played up the normal conference rivalries.
>
> I have a little trouble with the schools not supporting the teams on
> that level,
ya mean as a varsity sport?........well, only one way to find out
right? and that support would be much greater if college ultimate
approached the ncaa as a WHOLE. The sad part is that the upa would
likely offer little to no assistance in facilitating said
representation.......sport horders, imo!
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and I also like that the clubs ride outside the varsity
> machine that schools provide.
why? do you REALLY think that all the athleats that arte on varsity
teams wish they could go bac to having club level representation?
just think, the school paying for trips to play single game events in
front of their respective student bodies......as the present tourny
format is just too overwhelming and caotic to attract and maintain any
rela interest OR fanbase. This is whats know as PROGRESSION and
EVOLUTION.......do you have problems with these concepts?
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The Hodags are not Badgers
ahhhhh, GET THE FUCK OVER THAT!!!! whats in a name anyways right?
seriously though, would people actually reject ncaa afiliation for
such a unbeleivably LAME reason?
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, Mamabird is
> not the Buffalos, You don't spell Georgia Joja (sp?) and the Zontals
> are not the Jayhawks.
i would personally prefer school teams to represent their mascot names
WITHOUT ncaa affiliation.......GO GATORS......in football and
ultimate. and who knows, the athletes that play ultimate might get
more repect from the other fellow studen athleats if the wouldnt
always try to be different, cute or mock the institution of "college
sports" with wierd names, getting naked and the likes. Isnt it a
matter of basically just growin up?
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We can use rivalries all we want, but we are our
> own machine
machien?????? in comparison to the rest of college sport your a
gimick.......and an easily mockable gimick at that. conform and you
will be able to be part of a bigger and better machine that is
respected across the land.
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> and revel in our unique talent pools.
unique in that its a "white boy" sport????
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> Great topic.
but a terrible contribution to the topic on your part. SUPPORT
EVOLUTION AND PROGRESSION!!!!!!
Reggie Fanelli
> Nobody is saying redraw the regions dude. Just having one
> tournament a year that has an interesting spin to it.
---folks.....let's stay tuned about this whole crazy idea!
eyes on the horizon!
richarda...@gmail.com
> YES GOD DAMN IT!!!!!! why you people always so worried abvout hurting
> somones feelings at the expense of the sport becoming more legit blah blah blah
Four posts in before this descended into the RSD doldrums. There
seems to be a golden window between 10pm and 7am.
Random Guy
There's a special thing about a sport when you can represent your
school, take vans to tournaments, party on said vans, party at said
tournament, play legit, competitive games, party after said legit,
competitive games, play more legit, competitive games, and have an
effing blast!
Can't do all that as a varsity NCAA team, with all the rules and
stuff.
Some of the bigger schools (florida, colorado, wisconsin, etc.) may
want REAL legit status, but I'd think 94.69% of the college ultimate
community likes it the way it is.
If you want to legitimize Ultimate, do it at the club level so we can
still have our potential 5 years of awesome times over a 6 year span.
ulticritic
>
> There's a special thing about a sport when you can represent your
> school, take vans to tournaments, party on said vans, party at said
> tournament, play legit, competitive games, party after said legit,
> competitive games, play more legit, competitive games, and have an
> effing blast!
i agree with everthing you said except the legit part. formalizing
informality is in no way shape or form somthing that can be considered
legit.......and dont most of the competitive teams refrain from
partying for the sake of being more competitive anyways? also, i dont
see too amny college atheleats bailing on their ncaa teams to take up
ultimate........so by deductive reasoning playing in that "official"
capacity MUST be more appealing. I mean seriously, do you think if a
guy that played ulti and another sport in hs but got a scholorship AND
all the other perks that go with that afiliation he would choose to
play ulti because "its an effing blast". Me thinks that as an
inferior athlete playing an inferior sport that you just cant relate.
One more point.....dont think for a second that college ahtleats dont
party. maybe they dont party with each other but is that really such
a big deal to the top tier teams????
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> Can't do all that as a varsity NCAA team, with all the rules and
> stuff.
eh, when one door closes another ones opens. and why not think of the
sport for a change rather than your own egotistical needs?
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> Some of the bigger schools (florida, colorado, wisconsin, etc.) may
> want REAL legit status, but I'd think 94.69% of the college ultimate
> community likes it the way it is.
key word....."THINK"......wouldnt ya rather KNOW........and isnt there
only one way to really KNOW?
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>
> If you want to legitimize Ultimate, do it at the club level so we can
> still have our potential 5 years of awesome times over a 6 year span.
why not do both? but, fyi, most sports break thru at the college
level prior to being able to establish pro leagues.
ulticritic
also, why cant there be both an ncaa curcit AND an club circut. Isnt
that what the do in lax? so the REAL atheleats can go play in REAL
legit comp with refs, cheerleaders, school band and you inferior club
athleats can play in your no reffed archaic version.......AND PARTY
ALL YOU WANT.......or at least as much as your club sports advisor
allows.
Also, i'm pretty sure the oragon ego felt like they were having a
"effing blast" playing naked........and how did all that turn out for
them. Point is, dont Think you arent already somwhat regulated with
just club sport affiliation.........compared to how it was back in the
day when we REALLY KNEW HOW TO THROW DOWN AND PARTY. we used to take
kegs and bongs out to the uncw fields but they cant do that shit
anymore.......so should they just stop playing ultimate?
in conclusion......YOU ARE ONE ATE UP RANDOM GUY!!!!
cgbrophey
>
> I have a little trouble with the schools not supporting the teams on
> that level, and I also like that the clubs ride outside the varsity
> machine that schools provide. The Hodags are not Badgers, Mamabird is
> not the Buffalos, You don't spell Georgia Joja (sp?) and the Zontals
> are not the Jayhawks. We can use rivalries all we want, but we are our
> own machine and revel in our unique talent pools. Great topic.
> JB
"i would personally prefer school teams to represent their mascot
names
WITHOUT ncaa affiliation"
One thing to note, currently, some club sports cannot use the school
mascot name or even the school colors. So this is not always an
option. This is the case at Wisconsin, I believe to some limited
extent at Michigan State, and I presume at many other universities -
especially the major ones with massive licensing agreements. This
might be one of the first things to try and adjust.
Naji
them to become too big. I come from a small division 2 school which
would never get to compete against those BCS conference schools, so I
know I wouldn't get to be apart of those tournaments. As long as its
only left as a single tournament, it doesn't matter to me. I think
it'd be fun to follow the results and see which big schools excel and
fail in our sport. I want my shot at the big timers, and ultimate is a
great way for school's like mine to have a chance to compete at the
highest level with them.
-Naji
Missouri S&T Miner Threat
ulticritic
> I think the idea of conference tournaments is great, I just don't want
> them to become too big.
isnt that like saying you dont want to ultimate itself to get too
big......of which, what in the fuck is "too big". is soccer too big?
football must obviously be too big. and no matter how big it gets
wont there always be enough ultimate to go around?
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I come from a small division 2 school which
> would never get to compete against those BCS conference schools,
so compete against the other d2 schools.....duh
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so I
> know I wouldn't get to be apart of those tournaments.
then transfer if its that big of a deal......if not, just compete
within your own division. I'm sure there will always be a series in
which you can try your hand against the big boys.
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As long as its
> only left as a single tournament, it doesn't matter to me.
what if it was a bunch of single tournies followed by one singly
nationals tourny......and it was in the fall or early spring. how is
it that THAT would matter to you? because you are being excluded?
problem easily solved......just form d2 tournies. cant you see that
this would be another step towards making the sport more legit? dont
you want to see the sport be more legit. or is your angle that the
sport should sacrifice itself for little ole you?
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I think
> it'd be fun to follow the results and see which big schools excel and
> fail in our sport.
then dont hate it...........appreciate it!!!! although i dont know
who watches sports to see teams fail
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I want my shot at the big timers, and ultimate is a
> great way for school's like mine to have a chance to compete at the
> highest level with them.
dont fret, theres plenty of tournies to go around........but ya also
got to look at it this way........those "big timeres" you speak of
might not have ANY intrest in competeing against sub par d2
comp........so why should they make that sacrifce for your sake. they
may think that crushing you guys with all their second stringers is a
complete waste of time. ever thought of that.
Random Guy
I used to be legit, 2 legit, 2 legit to quit... but then I was no
longer legit, in fact, i was unlegit, and for that reason... I must
quit
ulticritic
when? when you played sports WITH refs?
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2 legit, 2 legit to quit... but then I was no
> longer legit, in fact, i was unlegit,
then you and ulti are a perfect match
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and for that reason... I must
> quit
wise choice......as you are fighting a losing battle......just as sotg
is.
rrudnic
Who cares about alienating other schools, if not being able to go to 1
tournament a year does that then you and your school are pretty damn
petty. The ACC tournament was a huge success last yr, its a bummer it
had to get cancelled this year. Its one tournament a year let the
little guys host their own tournament that week and not invite your
major conference school then everything is fine. Some of the teams in
the conferences don't even play each other regularly so it can give
them a chance to play a team maybe for the only time that year.
Everyone should take after the ACC and try to pull one together.
richarda...@gmail.com
> Who cares about alienating other schools, ....
Agreed. Look at the Stanford Invite/Open debate, if you don't invite
certain teams to your tournament they might be annoyed, but if it
seems worth it, go for it. If you work it right, you can probably get
some good attention/publicity from the school or local press. There
are non-athletic competitions that use athletic conference as a way to
choose participants (http://fisher.osu.edu/programs/graduate/events-
and-activities/competitions/big-ten-case), it's a worthwhile gimmick
for marketing an event.
ulticritic
thats funny that you think conforming to an ncaa standard is a
gimick.........ULTIMATE IS THE FUCKING GIMICK HERE.
richarda...@gmail.com
(American Heritage) Gimmick: An innovative stratagem or scheme
employed especially to promote a project
Playing ultimate is not an innovative scheme to promote an SEC event.
Inviting only SEC teams to a tournament and marketing it as comparable
to an NCAA event would be an innovative scheme to promote an ultimate
tournament. Of course, the real trick would be marketing or promoting
it at all, which is low on the priority list for most TDs.
Torre
why not make this a three day event- spread the games out in
the afternoon/evenings - with other teams playing in the
morning(and only for two days).
essentially having two tournaments: one in the
evening/night(being watched by the teams who were playing
earlier in the day)
ulticritic
no, no no,.......your just complicating things with that format. when
are you people gonna realize that "less is more". take a tip from the
uoa and work on a quality over quantity approach. and quit worrying
about hurting peoples feelings or "including everyone". the upa surly
dosent worry about the way they use and EXCLUDE the one and done
sectionalist to bank role the organization(and the nationals event)
and i dont see anyone(besides me) critisizing them about that. so why
would you rag on the actual teams that may just find this little
intraconference competition a nice change of pace from the random,
unorganized way present comp is formated.
defdisc
mean seriously, do you think if a
guy that played ulti and another sport in hs but got a
scholorship AND
all the other perks that go with that afiliation he would
choose to
play ulti because "its an effing blast". Me thinks that as
an
inferior athlete playing an inferior sport that you just
cant relate
ulticritic: I disagree with your point. As someone who was
offered full rides to D1 schools in one sport and myriad
partial scholarships in yet another varsity sport, I turned
BOTH sports down in favor of club ultimate. So yes, I do
think "he would choose to play ulti because 'its an effing
blast.'"
ulticritic
oh yea? what sports? and what college ultimate team are you now on
again? either way, most "normal folk" would think you an idiot to do
such AND i'm sure even you yourself would consider such a "decision"
to be the exception and not the rule......especially when that
"decision" involves flushing MUCH bank down the shitter........which
means you likely have a rich daddy.
still, getting ulti to get ncaa status donsent mean that you OR ANYONE
ELSE couldnt still opt to play at the club sport level........since
"having and effing blast" is soooooooo important to you. just dont go
and spoil it for others, OR FOR THE SPORT ITSELF, just because you
prefer formalized pickup to ncca comp. Yet another case where the
sports progression has to take a back seat to the nonsensical party
culture of ultimate........what a shame.
ulticritic
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