UNCW vs FL @ AC Regionals
Theodore Hex
T
> Fans want more details, in particular the Gibson-inspired TMF for UNCW.
Weeeeell, being the observer at the other end of the field, this is
all second hand, but a f**king funny story.
So Gibson is getting heckled by a few female fans in general and
specifically about his gloves that he always wears on the field. At
14-8, he takes a rare sub and bides some time during that point
talking with those fans. Not sure what "talking" constituted at this
point, I heard versions that said "hitting on", and some said "talking
shit back to". Turns out one of the hecklers in the group is younger
than she looks, and is the 13 year old sister of a UNCW player
(Condor). Condor is on the field, proceeds to score a nice goal on a
deep huck, finds Gibson on the sideline, says "Hey Gibson!" and shows
him the middle finger. TMF.
T
Snoocie
>I heard versions that said "hitting on", and some said "talking
> shit back to". Turns out one of the hecklers in the group is younger
> than she looks, and is the 13 year old sister of a UNCW player
> (Condor).
well she's damn hot and i would have been hollering at her aswell.
Sorry Condor, you know i love you
-TO-
Condor was just lookin out.
sweet spike !!!
AA
way to go Condor, always defending the woman's honor, esp. that of a
teammate's younger sister.
Snoochie Boochies how's Germany?
Wagenwheel
TMF for the middle finger, who was the candy ass observer that gave
that one out?
Pflaumer
i think it was just a warning to a tmf never actually a tmf
Wagenwheel
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That makes more sense.
Garrett Dyer
<calmerth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Fans want more details, in particular the Gibson-inspired TMF for UNCW.
Wasn't a TMF called during the UNCW-NCSU game, on the coach for
unloading on the observer(s) for the second time in the game?
JC
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT), Theodore Hex
>
> >Fans want more details, in particular the Gibson-inspired TMF forUNCW.
>
> unloading on the observer(s) for the second time in the game?
fact...and the observer(s) deserved it. It was over a pick
ruling...originally, the observers called a goal. After celebration by
the seamen and while switching lines, a nc state player from the
sideline convinced the observer to reverse the call AFTER THE POINT
HAD BEEN RULED AS OVER! Now, I may not know the rules as well as sed
observers, but isn't any call made irreversible once the point is
ruled as over? i.e. ruling of a goal being scored. No offense to any
nc state players, but the 2nd ruling being allowed was bullshit.
Luckily, it didn't matter bc the seamen put it in again. But at
regionals of all places, blatant disregard for the rules is
unacceptable.
T
> > TMF for the middle finger, who was the candy ass observer that gave
> > that one out?
>
> i think it was just a warning to a tmf never actually a tmf
No it was an actual TMF, but the first two TMFs in a game have no
result other than the warning.
A middle finger directed at a player will likely always result in at
least a TMF.
T
JC
> >I heard versions that said "hitting on", and some said "talking
> > shit back to". Turns out one of the hecklers in the group is younger
> > (Condor).
>
Someone should get Gibson a set of handcuffs to match his Michael
Jackson gloves...
Wagenwheel
You can't change a call after it's been ruled a goal. If indeed it
was a player from the sideline that convinced them to change it, that
observer should be prevented from observing ever again, which will not
likely happen, cause the UPA's teeth are as sharp as a butter knife.
ME
disc across field and a deep shot goes up to a wide open receiver.
Goal is signaled by an observer and State starts taking 70. While
we're discussing the next D point, the observers, in a huddle of State
players, indicate the disc needs to come back to midfield due to a
pick call.
I was standing at midfield on the closest side of where the alleged
pick occurred and never heard anything but some players on both teams
did. The observers appeared to have made their decision with only
NCSU input at midpoint at which point the Seamen coaches and players
joined the discussion to express disagreement. There were questions
asked about who heard the call and when, whether it was involved in
the play and there are also conflicting reports of what was said.
Regardless, the observers didn't waiver and indicated the disc was
back to midfield. My issues with the call are that it was made after
the goal ruling was made and initially made after arguments only from
State players. Wilmington joined the discussion late and in my
opinion after a decision was already made.
As far as the actual rules of overturning a goal call, it's fuzzy
based on the info in the Observers Manual from upa.org. The following
line refers to violations called and referred to an Observer, not
necessarily a goal score based on the "after a check" ending of the
sentence.
"Once an Observer makes a decision, there is no further argument and
play resumes according to the ruling, after a check."
The following line refers to Goal scoring and doesn't really apply in
this situation either as there was an outstanding call, apparently.
Unless there's indication somewhere that an unheard call doesn't
count.
"Note that when a player is ruled in the end zone (with no outstanding
calls), the point is over"
From the Active Calls section, the following leads me to believe that,
at the least, the call was made too early by the observer. I've seen
other observers look around the field for a sec before making the goal
call.
"If the player is in the end zone and there are no outstanding calls,
then and only then should you indicate a goal"
I think the observers wanted to do the right thing by getting the call
correct but put themselves in a bad situation by making the goal call
and then only discussing with State initially. Regardless of whether
or not there was a pick, a reversal of the call looked bad at that
point and they probably deserved some of the heat they took for
changing the call at that point.
Vassar
kyle.w...@gmail.com
I'll respond since I'm the observer in questions here. Here's the
situation: Adam Pflaumer (UNCW) hucks for an apparent goal. Mike
Nash (the other observer) signals that the receiver is in the
endzone. After scanning the field for outstanding calls we signal
goal. Turns out there was a quiet discussion about a pick call on the
far side of the field. NC State brings the call to our attendtion and
the defender argues first that the pick affected his play on the disc,
which I rule against. He then argues that the pick occurred *prior*
to the Pflaumer catching the disc. I ask the UNCW players involved
for confirmation and they confirm it. I call the UNCW captains over
to explain that the disc is going back to Pflaumer. The UNCW coach
comes out on to the field "unloading" and not listening to the
explanation. After asking him to leave the field and him not heading
anywhere I issue a TMF. The UNCW guys pull him off the field. I
thought the UNCW players were very classy given the crappy situation.
The disc gets checked in and UNCW scores soon after.
Yes, I made a mistake by not catching that a pick had been called and
ruling a goal. Given that the players involved agreed that the pick
had happened prior to the thrower catching the disc it was the correct
outcome for the disc to go back to Pflaumer since play should have
stopped at that point (and yes coach Z, if he had thrown a turnover it
would have gone back as well). I am sorry for the mistaken goal call
but UNCW's coach certainly deserved a TMF for his behavior.
Having said all of that, you are welcome to file an official complaint
to the observer committee (you can e-mail Greg at:
upa_observer_comm_chair (at) upa.org to do this) and request some sort
of sanctioning against me. While I actually enjoy driving a bunch of
hours to volunteer to help the sport it wouldn't be a huge loss to me
to not get to do it. I also know the value of having good observers
on the field and if I'm ever observing at a tournament and you don't
feel that I am a good observer you are free to request that I don't
observe your game.
-Kyle Weisbrod
AC College Regional Observer
UPA Certified Observer
ME
You make it too easy...Instead of a letter to the UPA Head Observer,
I'm going to ask that the UPA provide some help to carry that cross on
your back around. It must be tough.
Joking aside, I don't think there's any need for official complaints
here. You wanted to make the right call and attempted to do so. To
me, it's unclear as to whether or not you should have after the goal
was called. We disagreed with what was happening and made our case.
Sometimes a good rant and dirt kicking episode is the best way to
respond to a crappy situation. Especially when it's one created by
Observers mishandling a situation initially as you've indicated.
The solution is to find the pick/foul/etc. call before the goal is
signalled and communicate with all players, from the start, when there
is a discussion. I bet you and Nash do so in the future and are
better observers for it. Other than that call and the missed player
location call after a marking foul, I don't think we have any major
problems with you or any other observers from the weekend.
I'm sure the perfect observer or ref doesn't exist (G, insert your
plug here) but there are plenty who are trying to get there. Those
are the ones we want at our games.
Vassar
> UPA Certified Observer- Hide quoted text -
ck2...@isg-online.com
Assuming the event happened as described by Troy (and knowing Troy I'm
sure it did), this has to be an automatic TMF. No real sport (ie,
professional wrestling doesn't count) that I've ever heard of would
allow a player to flipoff a spectator or a player without some sort of
penalty being assessed. How can this possibly be candy-assed?
Charles
joad...@ec.rr.com
this kind of stuff is yet another reason why refs need to make ALL
ACTIVE CALLS!!!! If a ref would have called it eveybody would have
heard a shrp whistle or seen a flag.......or better yet, as should
have been the case in this particular scenerio,.....a no-call.
> > likely happen, cause the UPA's teeth are as sharp as a butter knife.- Hide quoted text -
DJ
> Assuming the event happened as described by Troy (and knowing Troy I'm
> sure it did), this has to be an automatic TMF. No real sport (ie,
> professional wrestling doesn't count) that I've ever heard of would
> allow a player to flipoff a spectator or a player without some sort of
> penalty being assessed. How can this possibly be candy-assed?
>
> Charles
A UNC player gave us the finger on the field because he thought we
made a bad call. I and two other players saw the disc hit the ground,
saying we had best perspective of that, and wanted it to be a turn
over. He said, "it's my final call, best perspective doesn't exist."
Disc goes back to the thrower, and he tosses up a finger at his
defender, who is like 4 feet away. It was actually pretty funny how
mad he was in a game he was winning by 5 points.
kyle.w...@gmail.com
> On Apr 30, 9:30 am, ME <greg.vas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> this kind of stuff is yet another reason why refs need to make ALL
> ACTIVE CALLS!!!! If a ref would have called it eveybody would have
> heard a shrp whistle or seen a flag.......or better yet, as should
> have been the case in this particular scenerio,.....a no-call.
>
However, to catch this type of violation you need at least 5 refs on
the field. At any given time there were 8 games going on between the
two divisions so we're talking about 40 refs at the fields. To get
that many refs you probably have to pay at least $20/ref/game.
By my count there were a total of 37 games on the weekend in the men's
division that could have had an impact on bids to Nationals.
37 games x 5 refs/game x $20/ref = $3,700.
$3,700 so that one call that took an extra 45 seconds to resolve
doesn't happen. Sounds like a great deal!
-Kyle
eric.w....@gmail.com
or an extra $116 per team
swill...@yahoo.com
what it's worth, you are fair.
Regrettably, you are bearing the brunt of the 'late call' made by the
players.
1) Were you invovled, or aware, of the "quiet discussion about a pick
call on the
far side of the field" ?
2) Was there a pick call or not? Does 'discussing the pick'
constitute 'making a pick call'? Why didn't UNCW players echo the
call?
3) Did you think you made the right call? Why does any player or
coach have the right to question your call(s)?
You say you missed a call, but there was minimal effort by the players
to make that first call. Their perspectives change, that affected
your perspective, and it's your fault that the outcome changed??
> UPA Certified Observer- Hide quoted text -
colinm...@gmail.com
> > 37 games x 5 refs/game x $20/ref = $3,700.
>
> > $3,700 so that one call that took an extra 45 seconds to resolve
> > doesn't happen. Sounds like a great deal!
>
> > -Kyle
>
> or an extra $116 per team
I'm not really a math expert, but how'd you come up with that $116/
team figure? $3700 / 16 = ?
And you're aware that teams playing on lush fields for a $200 bid
whine about not getting their money's worth already if some little
thing isn't perfect, right?
Mike Gerics
> Wasn't a TMF called during the UNCW-NCSU game, on the coach for
> unloading on the observer(s) for the second time in the game?
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---i was playing with Sophie Zeldin at the time, hidin' behind an umbrella
creepin' up on her......and didn't see with my eyeballs the play in
question.
the observers did put the point on the board.....
...they were then made aware that maybe there was a misunderstanding of what
and when the call was....?
...the observer asked both teams some questions about when and who and
where......?
....and it seemed like, at the time.....that maybe the observer put the game
right, by rule and described situation......
....it sucked....because i was a FAN of UNCW...not an observer for this
game....and it took a lot for me to NOT heckle the observers, because good
heckling is just in my nature.
oh...the situation was a pick before a catch that lead to a huck goal...or
something....
i'm not even positive.
Parinella
> to not get to do it. I also know the value of having good observers
> on the field and if I'm ever observing at a tournament and you don't
> feel that I am a good observer you are free to request that I don't
> observe your game.
I didn't think we were allowed to request this (or rather, than any
such requests would be summarily rejected).
Mike Gerics
respond to a crappy situation. Especially when it's one created by
Observers mishandling a situation initially as you've indicated.
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---personally....i LOVE a good dirt kicking.
a couple of Georgia athletes this weekend spent a few moments KICKING DIRT
AT ME(with words)......
a point later they were appologizing for blowing up at me......
i replied, something along the lines of.......
...don't worry about it. keep it up. if no one got fired up like that,
there'd never be a need for observers....and i'd be out of a job....
THIS got me to thinking, while i was observing..............
...while i observe, i just imagine...."what if there weren't observers in
some of these situations?"
...the reply to myself...from...myself...was..."some of this shit would be
getting out of hand!"
.......some of that stuff could get out of hand.....debates would be off the
hook.
Mike Gerics
plug here)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---guess again..........
Mike Gerics
coach have the right to question your call(s)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---there were a couple of times at AC Reg that i wondered why the hell the
coach was out on the field.
obvisouly....there are tons of times when a coach can be on the field....and
welcomed.
someday....there will be specific times when and when a coach CANNOT be on
the field.
...seems like i remember UNC or NCState coaches wandering around on the
field at weird time....
"coach, get off the field."...i had to say a couple of times.
i don't think there's a rule about it now....but a few times, their presence
on the field felt.....at the wrong time....at an 'unspirited' time....an
unnecessary time.
as for UNCW's Coach Zeldin being on the field questioning the call......
i guess that when observers have to explain something to captains and
coaches, they have to meet somewhere....and this time is was in the middle
of the field.
maybe in the future.....one observer should go to each seperate sideline and
talk to captains/coaches on the sideline, so that they ain't out on the
field.
Nathan
Mike, I actually haven't been observing for a few years now...I am
sort of, retired, for now...you were talking about me, right?
Nathan
eric.w....@gmail.com
Sorry I was assuming Kyle's numbers included girls games too which
would mean 32 teams, if it is just guys then it would obviously be
$232 extra per team
JC
> the defender argues first that the pick affected his play on the disc,
> which I rule against. He then argues that the pick occurred *prior*
> to the Pflaumer catching the disc.
so the nc state player changed his call to suit the situation so as to
prevent the goal?
> Given that the players involved agreed that the pick
> had happened prior to the thrower catching the disc
did they agree? bc it seemed as if the uncw players on the field did
not agree, only the observers and nc state players made this agreement
Jon "rB" Bauman
As part of my job as ROC I schedule who works what game. I do my best
to avoid conflicts of interest and the appearance of conflicts of
interest. If a team has an objection to a particular observer, and
it's feasible to schedule around it, I try to do so. It's in the best
interest of the observers to have the trust of the players.
That's not to say all objections would necessarily be honored. The
number of observers relative to games that need observing is still
very small. Furthermore, skill and qualifications are bigger factors
than team preference, which change very quickly.
swill...@yahoo.com
The irony...Geriatrics suggesting proper ettiquette for coaches....
And why aren't you coaching anymore??
jacob...@gmail.com
throw
i'm guessing most refs would appreciate or expect the same.
Lance Marput
www.thisisultimate.com
Mike Gerics
>> I'm sure the perfect observer or ref doesn't exist (G, insert your
>> plug here)
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> ---guess again..........
>
> Mike, I actually haven't been observing for a few years now...I am
> sort of, retired, for now...you were talking about me, right?
---and because you are retired........you remain......perfect.
Mike Gerics
And why aren't you coaching anymore??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---do you know?
Mike Gerics
> Fish Clan
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????FCP?????
never heard of it.
swill...@yahoo.com
Something about goats?
schmidtacular
hear. It sounds like the UNCW players agreed with the call and the
only hating was coming from their coach and sideline. I think it would
be a very dumb idea to complain about the observer. When you make a
call, make it loud. If you hear a call made, echo it loudly. Sounds
like neither happened in this case and the observer took the heat for
it.
It really doesn't compare to Vegas when that observer got in the way
during the Wisco/Zona game. Or was it Wisco/Carleton? The disc
actually hit him and was a turnover because he was standing in the
middle of the field 5 yards outside the endzone.
Let's just try to keep it fair when we start calling people out for
'boneheaded' moves.
Mike Gerics
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---do you know?
Something about goats?
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---a goat is why the Cubs don't win the world series.....but not me.
swill...@yahoo.com
You won the world series?
Zeldin
Kyle I think you made a few mistakes for me to question but I already
did my complaining on the field. I could offer plenty advice on how
to make the system better but would it amount to anything?.
As far as your credentials. Not knowing by the third game of
Regionals each team had two time outs per half-crazy. Misruling on
where players go after a contested foul call and upholding your ruling
when you didn't know the rule-crazy. Always being out of position to
make the right call-sort of not your fault-it is the system.
The main reason i got pissed in the first place (that eventually
resulted in the TMF during the pick play) is because you guys were
suppose to be making active line calls. Condor lays out in a bid to
make a catch/greatest and gets crushed (invcidental contact according
to Nash). Long discussion about what happen. Observer right on the
line didn't rule he left from out of bounds at the time of the play.
Later on (after Josh Norris says "my only question is did you layout
from out of bounds") all of a sudden Condor left from out of bounds
according to observer and the contact doesn't matter. The whole
argument would of been avoided if observer ruled he left from out of
bounds to begin with like he should of. I couldn't see if he left
from out of bounds or not but I was upset on how the situation was
ruled/handled.
Anyway, I did deserve the TMF and I apologized to Nash. Kyle I
apologize to you as well. i'm sure you're a great guy and if you
start sending youth from your HS our way I would like you better. In
my opinion, I did what was needed for my team at the time and as the
coach it is my duty to stand up for my players.
Garrett I hope you bring up my unloading for a positive purpose and
not some bitter reason. If so, i hope our system gets better. UNCW
had a great season. We didn't achieve our goal but we will try again
next year. Good luck to all the teams at Nationals.
Zeldin
On Apr 30, 9:47 am, kyle.weisb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 30, 8:33 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 30, 1:15 am, JC <jdc9...@uncw.edu> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 28, 7:31 pm, Snoocie <Sre9...@uncw.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > >I heard versions that said "hitting on", and some said "talking
> > > > > shit back to". Turns out one of the hecklers in the group is younger
> > > > > than she looks, and is the 13 yearsome old sister of aUNCWplayer
> > > > > (Condor).
>
> > > Someone should get Gibson a set of handcuffs to match his Michael
> > > Jackson gloves...
>
> > You can't change a call after it's been ruled a goal. If indeed it
> > was a player from the sideline that convinced them to change it, that
> > observer should be prevented from observing ever again, which will not
> > likely happen, cause the UPA's teeth are as sharp as a butter knife.
>
> I'll respond since I'm the observer in questions here. Here's the
> situation: Adam Pflaumer (UNCW) hucks for an apparent goal. Mike
> Nash (the other observer) signals that the receiver is in the
> endzone. After scanning the field for outstanding calls we signal
> goal. Turns out there was a quiet discussion about a pick call on the
> far side of the field. NC State brings the call to our attendtion and
> the defender argues first that the pick affected his play on the disc,
> which I rule against. He then argues that the pick occurred *prior*
> to the Pflaumer catching the disc. I ask the UNCW players involved
> for confirmation and they confirm it. I call the UNCW captains over
> to explain that the disc is going back to Pflaumer. The UNCW coach
> comes out on to the field "unloading" and not listening to the
> explanation. After asking him to leave the field and him not heading
> anywhere I issue a TMF. The UNCW guys pull him off the field. I
> thought the UNCW players were very classy given the crappy situation.
>
> The disc gets checked in and UNCW scores soon after.
>
> Yes, I made a mistake by not catching that a pick had been called and
> ruling a goal. Given that the players involved agreed that the pick
> had happened prior to the thrower catching the disc it was the correct
> outcome for the disc to go back to Pflaumer since play should have
> stopped at that point (and yes coach Z, if he had thrown a turnover it
> would have gone back as well). I am sorry for the mistaken goal call
> but UNCW's coach certainly deserved a TMF for his behavior.
>
> Having said all of that, you are welcome to file an official complaint
> to the observer committee (you can e-mail Greg at:
> upa_observer_comm_chair (at) upa.org to do this) and request some sort
> of sanctioning against me. While I actually enjoy driving a bunch of
> hours to volunteer to help the sport it wouldn't be a huge loss to me
> to not get to do it. I also know the value of having good observers
> on the field and if I'm ever observing at a tournament and you don't
> feel that I am a good observer you are free to request that I don't
> observe your game.
>
Mike Gerics
---well...complaining about the disc hitting the observer is sort of like
complaining about a call not being loud enough to attract the observer's
attention during a goal.
certainly the observer in Vegas may not have been in perfect position, he is
part of the field....and was probably wearing an orange shirt....
Mike Gerics
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---no....i don't even play baseball.
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What about the goat?
nash
> The main reason i got pissed in the first place (that eventually
> resulted in the TMF during the pick play) is because you guys were
> suppose to be making active line calls. Condor lays out in a bid to
> make a catch/greatest and gets crushed (invcidental contact according
> to Nash). Long discussion about what happen. Observer right on the
> line didn't rule he left from out of bounds at the time of the play.
> Later on (after Josh Norris says "my only question is did you layout
> from out of bounds") all of a sudden Condor left from out of bounds
> according to observer and the contact doesn't matter. The whole
> argument would of been avoided if observer ruled he left from out of
> bounds to begin with like he should of. I couldn't see if he left
> from out of bounds or not but I was upset on how the situation was
> ruled/handled.
coach z,
don't have too much time right now to respond, but wanted to clear
this up. i had not been involved in a play like this before -
receiver fouled on an attempted greatest (although he left from out of
bounds). i should have signaled out of bounds immediately; however,
there was an injury on the play and i immediately was concerned for
the player. then i realized there was a foul call, and i wanted to
discern whether the foul call was on the greatest attempt (which was
incidental since he left from OB) or if the foul was after the attempt
(which affected continued play). if he was calling foul on the
contact after continued play, i would have ruled in his favor
(although it would still be a turnover). i gave them about 20 seconds
to work out their calls before i stepped in, so i could've saved this
time by making the out of bounds call immediately. as your co-coach
stated earlier, we are better observers for having been in these tough
situations. my apologies for the confusion.
also, just as an aside, i have no problem with you firing up your team
(by getting a TMF) as long as there is recourse for it. just like in
basketball when coaches get T'd up. i would also like to mention that
the UNCW players acted very classy in this game and throughout the
weekend. there were great to watch and i'll be rooting for them in
the future.
hope that clears up something,
nash
Zeldin
We are cool and thanks for looking out for the players. I know ya'll
did your best. It is a hard job and a volunteer one at that. I
didn't mean to come down on you guys so hard in the earlier post and
on the field. I'm sure we all learned a few things this weekend.
Thanks for taking time this weekend/month/year to give time back to
the game and I look forward to crossing paths again.
Best Regards, Zeldin
Jon "rB" Bauman
Though I think it's a good practice to go over such things in the
pregame talk, 2 time outs per half is standard in the rules. You
shouldn't have to be told.
Mike Gerics
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What about the goat?
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---it keeps the cubs from winning the series.
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> > On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, "Mike Gerics" <mger...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
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> > > > And why aren't you coaching anymore??
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> > > > ---do you know?
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> > > Something about goats?
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> > You won the world series?
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> > ---no....i don't even play baseball.
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> What about thegoat?
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The goat kept you from coaching?
Mike Gerics
The goat kept you from coaching?
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---that's what you wrote originally....but i still don't know what it means.
Garrett Dyer
wrote:
>UNCW had a great season.
Certainly did.
I had a great time watching our boys go at it, and I know that they
enjoyed playing against the Seamen. To me, it's all about respect - I
think how much the teams respected each other was a big part of what
made the battles so fun to be a part of - and I hope we can build on
that level of respect so that our future games are just as memorable.
See you next year.
Mike Gerics
> made the battles so fun
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---can't be a "battle" without the respect.
faddy
as long as you mean one and the SAME observer doing so to each
sideline, then fine.
remember that game, where you pass the story along, duck duck goose
kinda shit?..........
oldsch...@gmail.com
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do you mean "telephone" or "pass it down"?
faddy
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yeah, cept i think we called it "pass the dutchie on the left hand
side"...
Mike Gerics
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> talk to captains/coaches on the sideline, so that they ain't out on the
> field.
as long as you mean one and the SAME observer doing so to each
sideline, then fine.
remember that game, where you pass the story along, duck duck goose
kinda shit?..........
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--yeah, you're right...maybe the lead observer would go to each
sideline.....
i was thinking of speeding up the resolution by having one observer talk to
each sideline......
to have the one 'lead' observer talk to each....would be faster to have them
meet on the field...which could inturn be a bad idea to have the coaches on
the field for a unpopular decision, because it could then be tough to get
them off the field.
Wagenwheel
I have always thought observers should carry mace or pepper spray.
Mix it up a bit.
joad...@ec.rr.com
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> I have always thought observers should carry mace or pepper spray.
how about lets start em off with just a whistle
> Mix it up a bit
swill...@yahoo.com
What was the original question?
colinm...@gmail.com
> maybe in the future.....one observer should go to each seperate sideline
> and> talk to captains/coaches on the sideline, so that they ain't out on the
> > field.
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> as long as you mean one and the SAME observer doing so to each
> sideline, then fine.
>
> remember that game, where you pass the story along, duck duck goose
> kinda shit?..........
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Isn't that game called "telephone?" And we already use that as the
primary method of players learning the rules. I don't think it can
serve double duty.
swill...@yahoo.com
The merits of a bullhorn...
1) can be used to deter assaults
2) can inform the entire stadium of what is being discussed
3) will make sure a coach hears you without yelling
4) will make sure the T.D. hears you (if the coach doesn't stop
yelling)
5) will shorten discussions and/or questions
6) you can wear them like an uzi and put stickers on them
And whats the point of learning the rules when only one player and
coach/team will actually have to know the rules within the next 5
years? Does the UPA intend to reject teams if they can't produce a
rules nerd? Will the tests/certifications be done nationally a la
SATs? Will the test be more than 10 questions on the most common
infraction scenarios? Will 70% be sufficient knowledge?
"No Player Left Behind"
=)