Ravi
+++++++++++++++
"Gilli Danda, the sane man he is, pointed out that with only 11 of us
left, if someone was sent back,"
"Gilly Danda has an interesting take on why skipper's not scoring runs
in this tournament."
+++++++++++++++
Appam Chutiya is clearly derived from Bonda Bosad. I feel sorry for
the original creators of this form of nicknaming that while their
creation BB's fame was limited to rsc, AC has gained worldwide fame.
Mohan [could be Creevey too, has he been posting here of late?]
Not really, on both counts :-)
Doubt it is Aditya but I have to admit whern I first read it I
wondered if - assuming it was for real and not a fake - it was written
by a fringe player who had/did/does read rsc.
I didn't spot the parallel but it is there (AC and BB). I am now sure
that the blogger is a rsc poster or one who follows it closely. Using
AC, Gilly Danda, etc.
> A couple of sentences from the latest post below. Is a long shot but I
> think it can be Gilly Danda (Aditya) from r.s.c. Matches some of the
> style from earlier posts I have seen on rsc.
Aditya's handle is not Gilly Danda - it's Gilly's Danda, which is
subtler and funnier, I think. I guess if a player's name is Dinda,
then it's not a stretch to nickname him Gilly Danda. I don't think
that this nickname tells us anything about Aditya or rsc at all.
-TD
I don't know why people are hellbent on making Fake IPL Player an
rscite. The evidence in favour of this is rather weak, IMO - I don't
see, for instance, why Appam Chutiya has to be "clearly" derived from
Bonda Bosad.
Given how many blogs there are and how many netizens roam around in
cyberspace, I don't see why a reasonably witty and enterprising fellow
cannot be found outside the confines of rsc.
-TD
He may be visiting rsc though to get some ideas.
eg:
fakeiplplayer blog extract :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It seems skipper is scared of the consequences, as to what Dildo may
expect from him after the match. For hints, please see picture.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Compare with rsc post :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_thread/thread/e16a97055fccd1c6/748720fe3650ea3b?lnk=gst&q=spirit+of+IPL#748720fe3650ea3b
Compare the pics.
Can be a coincidence but who knows.
Amit.
You assume the idea was original to him..........
Once again, not convinced. Others have made similar observations.
Check this out:
http://www.funenclave.com/caption-contest/deep-tonsil-curious-case-little-jhonny-27106.html
This was out a couple of days before Fake IPL Player's'comment that
you have quoted above.
-TD
LOL
Amit.
So has there been any instance outside rsc where a cricketer has been
nicknamed with this combo (local dish + swear word)? I am not saying
this is conclusive evidence that fake blogger is an rsc'er, but there
is a parallel worth noting. No, I am not hell bent on making him an
rsc'er. When this blog first came to notice, I insisted that he is
some outsider, but didn't say he must be an rscer. It is just that a
few days back it struck me that AC is very similar to BB, so thought I
will point out.
Mohan
The fake IPL blogger is none other than Jay Bhattacharya CEO of KKR...
mark my words and remember them after he is caught.
Don
Well, take "pommy bastard", for example. "Pom" is a reddish coloured
fruit that native Australians (Aboriginals) thought had a similar
colour to the skin of sunburnt Brits. And bastard, of course, is a
swear word.
There are probably other instances that one could find if one had the
time or inclination. My point is that just because a certain type of
name-calling (Bonda Bosad) has been seen on rsc does not make for a
clear connection to Fake IPL Player coming up with an analogous
nickname.
-TD
It can't be Joy Bhattacharya because the "fakeIPLPlayer" has
called him "Boy George" and overall made some unflattering
remarks on Joy.
"Entering the meeting room I got a really funny feeling. Boy
George,
Bhookha Naan, Phoren Babas and the entire coaching staff
(which now probably is larger than the playing staff) was seated
and
looking at us as we entered. Boy George was the first to start the
proceedings with his usual management bull shit about how we are
down but not out, we need to stay together, play as a unit etc
etc.
Come on man. Cut the crap, at least now!"
I'm not going to throw any new light on whether it is Aditya or not
(why not just ask the guy?). But this excerpt above is a good example
of why I think there's a reasonable chance this is real. Can someone
be making this up? Sure. But if so, why aren't the KKR folks coming
out and saying this is all complete fiction? Stuff like the excerpt
above as well as the names of the night clubs these guys end up at in
the evenings (with players from other teams) all suggest that at the
very least, it's not some dude sitting in an apartment in India or the
US making this all up. There is now enough stuff out there for the
players to come out and say this is all complete baloney, but
strangely, there have not been too many denials. By the same token,
the more this guy writes, the easier it is to identify him (how hard
is it to narrow it down to one or two people in a team of 16 given
that there are some non-Indian players and some others who just don't
know Hindi all that well?).
So, here is my latest take on this. I think this is indeed fake, but,
it is sanctioned by the IPL or the KKR management to get people
talking about the IPL. The players are in on it and understand that
they will be characterized somewhat unflatteringly. It is possible
that it has some elements of the truth in it, but again, since this
was officially sanctioned, no one is overly bothered by it.
Don't we all love a good conspiracy theory? :-)
Cheers,
Satya
PS: Who is Bhookha Naan?
So, you want people to respond to every tabloid, blog & random stuff
that is ever written on the internet. Why doesn't Tendulkar respond to
the 'Run Away' accusations thrown around in RSC?. According to your
brilliant logic, he must deliberately run away
> Stuff like the excerpt
> above as well as the names of the night clubs these guys end up at in
> the evenings (with players from other teams) all suggest that at the
> very least, it's not some dude sitting in an apartment in India or the
> US making this all up.
Apparently you havn't read enough filmfare & stardust.
>There is now enough stuff out there for the
> players to come out and say this is all complete baloney, but
> strangely, there have not been too many denials.
Are you serious about this? This is even more ridiculous than
suggesting that the writer is pandiyan.
Of course you are going on the assumption that this tabloid is really
a big deal. It is not. It was for the first day when it appeared only
because of the uniqueness to it. At this point nobody cares about it
except for a few idiots who still think it is a player.
>
> So, here is my latest take on this. I think this is indeed fake, but,
> it is sanctioned by the IPL or the KKR management to get people
> talking about the IPL.
IPL is more popular than the countries South Africa, New Zealand. It
doesn't need a stupid tabloid to promote it
http://google.com/trends?q=ipl%2C+south+africa%2C+new+zealand&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
> The players are in on it and understand that
> they will be characterized somewhat unflatteringly. It is possible
> that it has some elements of the truth in it, but again, since this
> was officially sanctioned, no one is overly bothered by it.
>
> Don't we all love a good conspiracy theory? :-)
It depends on how much you are clued in how the world really works.
Just look at the profiles of people who believe in idiot conspiracies.
>
> Cheers,
> Satya
>
> PS: Who is Bhookha Naan?
Word play on Buchanan
Well, it is not Pommie Punk or Pommie Pussy to be the same as BB or AC!
Last year, Sadiq Yusuf named the teams of all the US regions after
"local" dishes. He called the Northwest team "latte drinkers," the
Texas team "Texas chili." I think I might have contributed to the same
thread (not on RSC) by naming Sadiq's home team "Chicago deep dish."
He didn't add any swear words, but you'll agree that throwing about
ch*tiya or bh*sada is the less imaginative, more childish, part. :-)
Personally, of all of Fake IPL Player's nicknames, I liked
"Batlivala" (for Mallya) the best. AC has now become world-famous, and
when I checked last week, there was also an appamchutiya.blogspot.com
with just one brief but hilarious entry: "I'll write something when I
have something useful to say." LOL! Still, I like the Batlivala
nickname better.
-Samarth.
Exactly. I don't know what Satya wants KKR management to deny. That
Joy Bhattacharya was not in the meeting or that he didn't use those
management cliches? When the blog was first noticed, they did say that
the blogger is fake and has nothing to do with the franchise. That
itself was a mistake, IMO, but they have denied it and I don't see why
they should keep denying every single thing that the blogger writes.
>
> > Stuff like the excerpt
>
> > above as well as the names of the night clubs these guys end up at in
> > the evenings (with players from other teams) all suggest that at the
> > very least, it's not some dude sitting in an apartment in India or the
> > US making this all up.
Yes, how can anyone sitting in US or India figure out the names of
night clubs in Durban and Capetown? Though, I believe there is this
newfangled thing called googol or something, which makes it possible.
Haven't tried it myself.
>
> >There is now enough stuff out there for the
> > players to come out and say this is all complete baloney, but
> > strangely, there have not been too many denials.
>
> Are you serious about this? This is even more ridiculous than
> suggesting that the writer is pandiyan.
> Of course you are going on the assumption that this tabloid is really
> a big deal. It is not. It was for the first day when it appeared only
> because of the uniqueness to it. At this point nobody cares about it
> except for a few idiots who still think it is a player.
I am surprised Satya is one of them.
Mohan
ah, but that's just rsc influence :-)
Mohan
Ravi
> -TD
Just to be clear, I don't for a moment believe that the fake blogger
is Aditya at all. I have never seen the latter exhibit that kind of
sense of humour all these years on rsc :-) The part I agreed with Ravi
was that there may be an rsc link, that's all. Even that I don't
believe very strongly. My main reason for getting into this thread was
to point out the parallel between BB and AC and lament the fact that
the BB creators never achieved the kind of fame that the fake blogger
has done for AC. Having said that, Appam Chutiya does sound a lot
funnier than Bonda Bhosad. Not sure why. I hope it is not because the
latter was used on a player I liked. Do neutral observers also agree
that AC is funnier than BB?
Mohan
>
> Just to be clear, I don't for a moment believe that the fake blogger
> is Aditya at all. I have never seen the latter exhibit that kind of
> sense of humour all these years on rsc :-) The part I agreed with Ravi
> was that there may be an rsc link, that's all. Even that I don't
> believe very strongly. My main reason for getting into this thread was
> to point out the parallel between BB and AC and lament the fact that
> the BB creators never achieved the kind of fame that the fake blogger
> has done for AC. Having said that, Appam Chutiya does sound a lot
> funnier than Bonda Bhosad. Not sure why. I hope it is not because the
> latter was used on a player I liked. Do neutral observers also agree
> that AC is funnier than BB?
>
> Mohan
I do find it funnier, but that may be because BB is something we have
been hearing here at rsc for years and AC is quite fresh and has not
become jaded yet.
-Cheers,
TD
> When the blog was first noticed, they did say that
> the blogger is fake and has nothing to do with the franchise. That
> itself was a mistake, IMO,
I don't think it was a mistake. This is something new to the larger cricket
world. While the net savvy people might be able to sniff the fakeness,
there are too many people who might at first give credibility to this. As a
professional organization KKR denied it so that they can point to that
whenever somebody else keeps asking about this ("we have already given a
statement, nothing more to tell"). But no more explanation or statements
are required.
Takeiteasy.
No I just expect factual denials which will put the whole thing to
rest rather than a blanket statement. This is assuming the KKR guys
are actually worried about this blog and what it is or isn't
revealing.
> Exactly. I don't know what Satya wants KKR management to deny. That
> Joy Bhattacharya was not in the meeting or that he didn't use those
> management cliches? When the blog was first noticed, they did say that
> the blogger is fake and has nothing to do with the franchise. That
> itself was a mistake, IMO, but they have denied it and I don't see why
> they should keep denying every single thing that the blogger writes.
>
>
>
> > > Stuff like the excerpt
>
> > > above as well as the names of the night clubs these guys end up at in
> > > the evenings (with players from other teams) all suggest that at the
> > > very least, it's not some dude sitting in an apartment in India or the
> > > US making this all up.
>
> Yes, how can anyone sitting in US or India figure out the names of
> night clubs in Durban and Capetown? Though, I believe there is this
> newfangled thing called googol or something, which makes it possible.
> Haven't tried it myself.
Umm, sure, it's easy to find the names of a dozen nightclubs in Durban
or Capetown. If they are anything like any large metro, it would be
difficult to pinpoint which nightclub these guys are hanging out at
and very easy to disprove that he is full of gas. That's what i meant
by factual denials.
>
> > >There is now enough stuff out there for the
> > > players to come out and say this is all complete baloney, but
> > > strangely, there have not been too many denials.
>
> > Are you serious about this? This is even more ridiculous than
> > suggesting that the writer is pandiyan.
> > Of course you are going on the assumption that this tabloid is really
> > a big deal. It is not. It was for the first day when it appeared only
> > because of the uniqueness to it. At this point nobody cares about it
> > except for a few idiots who still think it is a player.
>
> I am surprised Satya is one of them.
I might be an idiot but I don't *believe* it was a player. I never
*believed* it. I merely acknowledged the possibility that it was a
player (I said this when it first came out and everyone immediately
concluded it was not). If you read my last post, I basically concluded
that this thing now smells like a publicity stunt involving some of
the IPL or KKR management...
Cheers,
Satya
it is prem panicker!
Yeah right. Using abuses like AC and having SRK called as a dildo and
accusing someone of being a womanizer or someone as a pedophile is part
of publicity stunt officially sponsored by either Modi or SRK. Your
stupidity amazes me.
Also, the Fake IPL player is a direct take on the hugely popular Fake
Steve Jobs (and it's copycats). [He also alludes to a MacBook Pro]. If
you know Macbook Pro, you know Fake Steve Jobs and his hugely
successful blog
Two assumptions there. First I don't think KKR should be worried about
this blog at all. Second, what is the guarantee that any further
denial by KKR will put the whole thing to rest. Those who want to
believe the blogger will either question whatever evidence KKR comes
up with or rationalise it by saying those are the inaccuracies he
deliberately put in to hide his identity or whatever. As, iirc, you
have done here in this forum - he makes ridiculous claims of
overhearing Warne talking about Buchanan to a girl in a bar or
Buchanan telling Agarkar that he needs to improve in all three areas,
and those are waved off as deliberately made up stuff. But he reveals
such "sensational" insider information as the CEO of a franchise
participating in the team meeting (duh!) and that becomes clinching
evidence that he is an insider. So, what's the point in KKR issuing
any kind of denial?
> I might be an idiot but I don't *believe* it was a player. I never
> *believed* it. I merely acknowledged the possibility that it was a
> player (I said this when it first came out and everyone immediately
> concluded it was not).
Fair enough. But in your last post you went beyond merely
acknowledging the possibility. "reasonable chance this is real" - I
don't see anything reasonable in that conclusion, based on available
evidence.
Mohan
>
> Two assumptions there. First I don't think KKR should be worried about
> this blog at all. Second, what is the guarantee that any further
> denial by KKR will put the whole thing to rest. Those who want to
> believe the blogger will either question whatever evidence KKR comes
> up with or rationalise it by saying those are the inaccuracies he
> deliberately put in to hide his identity or whatever. As, iirc, you
> have done here in this forum - he makes ridiculous claims of
> overhearing Warne talking about Buchanan to a girl in a bar or
> Buchanan telling Agarkar that he needs to improve in all three areas,
> and those are waved off as deliberately made up stuff. But he reveals
> such "sensational" insider information as the CEO of a franchise
> participating in the team meeting (duh!) and that becomes clinching
> evidence that he is an insider. So, what's the point in KKR issuing
> any kind of denial?
Ok, I'll concede the point. Like I said, I thought there was a
possibility it was an insider or an inside job especially since a lot
of the establishment press took it seriously enough to comment on it
(when was the last time anyone in the press took a cricket blog from
someone anonymous seriously?). Somehow, my position has been twisted
around to suggest I was firmly in the "he's real" camp when all I was
doing was pointing out that it is always possible he could be genuine.
In any case, it all seems moot since the Blogger seems to have run out
of stuff to make up.
Cheers,
Satya
Ah yes, you can make blanket statements about someone you know nothing
about just by reading a post of theirs you happen to vehemently
disagree with. Your perspicuity is the thing that is truly amazing
here. Have you considered joining Mensa?
Cheers,
Satya
I havent taken the Mensa but believe it's far too hackneyed and
outdated as a valuation of mental agility, a lot like a 40+ Test
batting average in today's times. http://projecteuler.net is a lot
more challenging.
I was just being sarcastic. I've always felt Mensa is for insecure
people who need to join a club of like-minded clowns to feel they are
smart.
Cheers,
S
That says more about the gullibility of the press and the ingenuity of
the blogger than his veracity. If, as is likely, nothing comes of this
for next month or so and it is not established that the blogger is a
player or anyone to do with the IPL, then I want everyone to remember
these names and brand them as gullible idiots for rest of their life:
1. Gullu "I don't know a blog comment from a blog post" Ezekiel and
Indian Express
2. Sharda "any reason to diss IPL/BCCI will do" Ugra and India Today
3. Dileep "see above" Premachandran and The Guardian
4. Lawrence Booth
5. Prem Panicker (and by association Rediff) - this guy is the worst
of the lot. He not only gave publicity to that execrable Gullu Ezekiel
piece, but bragged that he had Ranadeb Bose on a "short list of 5-6
suspects". And then Bose vehemently denied the allegation and someone
suggested it was Murali Karthik. Panicker again goes on his twitter -
"had him on a short list of 5-6 suspects after about six posts"!
6. Sambit Bal and Cricinfo - for reporting the story and also giving
space to two of the above mentioned idiots.
7. Times of India - but then, they don't have any credit left to be
discredited.
On the other hand, as far as I am aware, Deccan Herald is one of the
few mainstream publications that didn't touch the topic. Kudos to
them.
Mohan
Wait Mohan, how come you are now acknowledging the possibility the
blogger could be real? Isn't this exactly what you were objecting to
when I did the same?
Additionally, why can't people (read the press) suspect the blogger
could be real without being accused of being against the IPL/BCC/India/
Indian Money? And even if they are, people are allowed to have an
opinion you know. There will be plenty of people who will be against
all of the above but they could still be wonderful people who are
trying to save the planet and it's species or are great to their
families and act as model citizens etc. Are they going to meet with
your derision as well?
> 1. Gullu "I don't know a blog comment from a blog post" Ezekiel and
> Indian Express
> 2. Sharda "any reason to diss IPL/BCCI will do" Ugra and India Today
> 3. Dileep "see above" Premachandran and The Guardian
> 4. Lawrence Booth
> 5. Prem Panicker (and by association Rediff) - this guy is the worst
> of the lot. He not only gave publicity to that execrable Gullu Ezekiel
> piece, but bragged that he had Ranadeb Bose on a "short list of 5-6
> suspects". And then Bose vehemently denied the allegation and someone
> suggested it was Murali Karthik. Panicker again goes on his twitter -
> "had him on a short list of 5-6 suspects after about six posts"!
> 6. Sambit Bal and Cricinfo - for reporting the story and also giving
> space to two of the above mentioned idiots.
> 7. Times of India - but then, they don't have any credit left to be
> discredited.
>
> On the other hand, as far as I am aware, Deccan Herald is one of the
> few mainstream publications that didn't touch the topic. Kudos to
> them.
Why? The blogger, whatever else he was, was interesting. He was
newsworthy IMO. How you more or less equate reporting on him to
dissing the IPL is beyond me. BTW, I will agree with you on one thing.
Panix *is* an idiot. He was one a long time before this and will
continue to be one forevermore.
Cheers,
Satya
No. I never said we shouldn't allow for the possibility either way. I
objected to your statement that there is a "reasonable chance" he is
real.
> Additionally, why can't people (read the press) suspect the blogger
> could be real without being accused of being against the IPL/BCC/India/
> Indian Money?
It is not because they believe the blogger could be real that I am
accusing them of being anti-IPL. The latter comes from their own
writing in the articles. And even when they wrote about the blogger,
they usually added a snide remark or two about the IPL and that's the
reason I have linked the two. Read any of Sharda's pieces ever since
IPL started last year for example. She finds all possible reasons to
criticise it.
> And even if they are, people are allowed to have an
> opinion you know. There will be plenty of people who will be against
> all of the above but they could still be wonderful people who are
> trying to save the planet and it's species or are great to their
> families and act as model citizens etc. Are they going to meet with
> your derision as well?
If their stand is unreasonable, as is most of those who oppose BCCI/
IPL just for the heck of it, it will be met with derision.
> > 1. Gullu "I don't know a blog comment from a blog post" Ezekiel and
> > Indian Express
> > 2. Sharda "any reason to diss IPL/BCCI will do" Ugra and India Today
> > 3. Dileep "see above" Premachandran and The Guardian
> > 4. Lawrence Booth
> > 5. Prem Panicker (and by association Rediff) - this guy is the worst
> > of the lot. He not only gave publicity to that execrable Gullu Ezekiel
> > piece, but bragged that he had Ranadeb Bose on a "short list of 5-6
> > suspects". And then Bose vehemently denied the allegation and someone
> > suggested it was Murali Karthik. Panicker again goes on his twitter -
> > "had him on a short list of 5-6 suspects after about six posts"!
> > 6. Sambit Bal and Cricinfo - for reporting the story and also giving
> > space to two of the above mentioned idiots.
> > 7. Times of India - but then, they don't have any credit left to be
> > discredited.
>
> > On the other hand, as far as I am aware, Deccan Herald is one of the
> > few mainstream publications that didn't touch the topic. Kudos to
> > them.
>
> Why? The blogger, whatever else he was, was interesting. He was
> newsworthy IMO.
Depends how you report it. If you report it as if he is indeed an
insider, as most of the named articles did, then you are gullible. On
the other hand, you report him as just a prankster having fun, or at
least being ambivalent about his status, then you are ok.
> How you more or less equate reporting on him to
> dissing the IPL is beyond me.
See above. It is not me who is equating the two. Those journalists
themselves used the blogger as an excuse to take a potshot at the IPL.
> BTW, I will agree with you on one thing.
> Panix *is* an idiot. He was one a long time before this and will
> continue to be one forevermore.
Agree. It is heartening to find that he hasn't changed in all these
intervening years.
Mohan
"Mohan" <dpus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e4a30528-709c-48a3...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Can we just generalise this and add anyone who uses twitter?
Never understood why anyone takes the blindest bit of notice of what Prem
Panicker writes, or indeed how he makes a living out of journalism, if
indeed he does.
BTW, since you have it in for UK newspapers there is a bloke at the
Telegraph making a much bigger idiot of himself than did Lawrence Booth.
Rod Gilmour, still apparently giving credence to the story over the weekend
just gone.
<snip>
Andrew
I'm not sure how neutral I am (given that I'm probably the fake IPL
blogger - WTF?) but I agree that AC is hysterical, far more than BB.
Even if it hadn't been applied to Sreesanth (of whom I'm no big fan),
I think it would've been brilliant. And the ongoing barbs on the blog
are brilliant - especially the bits about coaches calling him Appam
and Sreesanth balking at not being called his "full name".
A [ Still haven't watched an IPL match. Go WI. ]
> A [ Still haven't watched an IPL match. Go WI. ]
The Warangal Irrigators are not playing in this edition of the IPL. Maybe next
year.
Sid
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