What is Agarkar doing in the team ?
Narayanan
Obviously he is not a test material. Now, his bowling average is 46 and
strike rate is about 87. The guy can't even bowl a tight line. He gets
pasted all over the park at 4-5 runs an over. No team can afford to have a
non performer par excellence of Agarkar's class
Nikhil Shah
I would say that surprisingly, the spin duo of Harby and Kumble
were the only successful bowlers in the series, along with Khan to
some extent. Bangar supported well.
Here is how the series numbers look so far,
Harbhajan Singh 12 wkts @34.16
A Kumble 14 wkts @36.00
Z Khan 11 wkts @43.90
AB Agarkar 8 wkts @61.00
A Nehra 5 wkts @63.80
SB Bangar 4 wkts @29.25
Both Nehra and Agarkar are *not* 60+ average bowlers. Agreed they
had a poor series but this is not the end of the world. Nehra
is 189 wkts @25.64 and Agarkar, 115 wkts @27.76. Currently,
only Mohanty matches a better profile and we have known
that he is not miles better than either Nehra or Agarkar. In
addition, Agarkar batted well in the series, and average of 42.
He saved India from probably a collapse. I think the whole
series was well played and the Indian batting was sensational,
R Dravid @100
SR Tendulkar @66
SC Ganguly @58
SB Bangar @44
AB Agarkar @42
VVS Laxman @39
V Sehwag @39
PA Patel @26
Harbhajan @22
Z Khan @22
So most of this summer in England it simply proves that the
wickets were full of runs and neither England nor India made
a serious impact on the game.
I would say this, if this series is a draw, holding Nehra
or Agarkar responsible for the bad bowling is unfair. Both teams
capitalized on the pitches which were full of runs.
Regards
Nikhil
rkusenet
"Narayanan" <amn@nowhere@spammenot.com> wrote :
Great post dude.
If anything, this series should put an end to "prasad got a free ride
kinda posts". Also we should now be spared of "aggy is a rhythm bowler"
crap or "he should be given continuos 3/4 tests to prove himself".
Like dot-com hype, agarkar hype has only proved one thing: Shit, even
when covered with cheese is still shit. Sadiq has taken entire rsc
for a ride. I know many rsc'ers think highly of Agarkar bcos Sadiq
writes reams of poetry.
rk-
Narayanan
> Both Nehra and Agarkar are *not* 60+ average bowlers. Agreed they
> had a poor series but this is not the end of the world. Nehra
Would you stop clubbing Nehra with Agarkar. Nehra had a bad series alright.
But he doesn't deserve to be clubbed along with the most useless bowler the
world a.k.a Agarkar. At the least Nehra has provided some moments which we
can feel happy about. Agarkar has been a tragedy big time.
> is 189 wkts @25.64 and Agarkar, 115 wkts @27.76. Currently,
And you have no problems claiming Agarkar's Test stats are invalid. It is
not his stats which are invalid. It is his bowling itself which is invalid.
It just doesn't cut much at this level. Period.
> only Mohanty matches a better profile and we have known
> that he is not miles better than either Nehra or Agarkar. In
> addition, Agarkar batted well in the series, and average of 42.
Mohanty has not got a free ride like Agarkar. Just stop passing your
judgements on him. Let him be tried on some conditions sometime. Agarkar
doesn't deserve to watch a Test match on a black and white TV.
Please don't give me the crap that Agarkar had a bad series. The problem is
you have got your lips firmly glued on to his but and even go to the extent
to suggest that Ganguly doesn't like him. Now that, the excuse is no more
valid as this happens to be the second time Gangs has played him 4
consecutive test, you are suggesting Agarkar had a bad series etc. Instead
of suggesting that Agarkar's captain is sabotaging his career would you
would be better of accepting that your man lacks class to play at this
level. Put yourselves on Ganguly's shoes. Here is a bowler who has averaged
55+ eversince Gangs took over(contrary to your claim that Agarkar is not a
60+ bowler) and whenever Gangs drops him he accused of being partisan. Not
to forget Agarkar's claims like "I lost too much weight, the plane flew too
close to sun causing sun stroke, peeing dehydrated me etc etc. so don't
consider me for selections".
rkusenet
"Nikhil Shah" <nshahs...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Nehra is 189 wkts @25.64 and Agarkar, 115 wkts @27.76.
Ravi Krishna is 118 wkts @ 18.11
[ inter hostel cricket matches ]
rk-
Narayanan
"> Ravi Krishna is 118 wkts @ 18.11
> [ inter hostel cricket matches ]
>
Nikhil Shah
>
> Please don't give me the crap that Agarkar had a bad series. The problem is
> you have got your lips firmly glued on to his but and even go to the extent
> to suggest that Ganguly doesn't like him. Now that, the excuse is no more
> valid as this happens to be the second time Gangs has played him 4
> consecutive test, you are suggesting Agarkar had a bad series etc. Instead
> of suggesting that Agarkar's captain is sabotaging his career would you
> would be better of accepting that your man lacks class to play at this
> level. Put yourselves on Ganguly's shoes. Here is a bowler who has averaged
> 55+ eversince Gangs took over(contrary to your claim that Agarkar is not a
> 60+ bowler) and whenever Gangs drops him he accused of being partisan. Not
> to forget Agarkar's claims like "I lost too much weight, the plane flew too
> close to sun causing sun stroke, peeing dehydrated me etc etc. so don't
> consider me for selections".
>
Hey, I understand your frustration :-) India gave up 500+ runs
and so did England. The Test series could be drawn 1-1. Did we lose
0-4 like we were suppose to? Srinath's retirement was his
decision which was untimely and he panicked thinking that he
was going to get dropped. I would like to see Agarkar given
a little more chances, about 3-4 series outside India and
hope he can learn and improve over the next 2-3 years as a
Test bowler.
Besides, his domestic and ODI averages are quite solid and
after averaging 27.76 and 28 in ODIs, his average of 46 in
Tests is misleading. I don't think Madanlal is a better
bowler than Agarkar in Tests inspite of his 40+ average
in Test matches as a bowler. The best way to judge
Agarkar is time, and over a period of time, he should be
a solid Test bowler.
Regards
Nikhil
Nikhil Shah
The competition level in domestics or Hostel
level is not around and ODI bowling is relatively
easier than Test bowling. I agree :-) The comparison
is relative in nature with other bowlers how have
bowled in the domestics like Agarkar. There is nothing
to suggest that Agarkar is bad in a relative sense
in the ODIs and FC cricket.
I am not defending Agarkar, I am defending the good
performances he and Nehra had in the domestics and
FC cricket to be kept around. Agreed that he did not
play well in this series, inspite of excellent conditions
Nehra failed to bowled the correct length needed to
take wickets. This takes experience and know-how and
there is no other bowler who can replace Agarkar with
his ODI bowling record and his batting. We do not have
a Waqar Younis is our midst, and, if we do it will be
obvious to everyone. So let us stick with the same
bowling attack.
If Agarkar can find his rythm, we will have an excellent
pair of Khan-Agarkar for the next 5-6 years for both ODI
and Tests without having to make to many changes. The result
will be they can be in good physical condition since they
are already playing ODI cricket all the time during the
year and playing Tests after long time with no international
cricket from a long wait can affect your performance.
There is an advantage of having the same ODI and Test pair
both of whom bowl around 136-140 kph, and improve over a
period of time with maturity and proper line and length.
I am not objecting to either the Kumble-Harbhajan spin duo
which is a good duo, not as great as maybe bowlers like
Warne and Murali. But they are the best around, and all
4 bowlers Khan-Agarkar + Kumble-Harbhajan can be supported
well by Sanjay Bangar. This is a good strategy and is working
because we have not lost this Test series if not won it.
Regards
Nikhil
Narayanan
">
> I am not defending Agarkar, I am defending the good
> performances he and Nehra had in the domestics and
> FC cricket to be kept around.
If he is so good in domestics he must play more of that and spare the Test
team. There can't be more frustrating sight than seeing Agarkar play for
India unless of course he improves a great deal.
> Agreed that he did not
> play well in this series, inspite of excellent conditions
> Nehra failed to bowled the correct length needed to
> take wickets.
Again. No clubbing of Nehra and Agarkar please. Nehra had a bad series.
Agarkar sucked, sucks and will always suck. He didn't bowl well in Zimbabwe,
South Africa & in India, chickened out from NZ tour and SL tour. Only time I
will choose Agarkar is when the matches are played between Dec 15 and Dec 31
at the end of a millennium.
> This takes experience and know-how and
> there is no other bowler who can replace Agarkar with
> his ODI bowling record and his batting.
If at the end of 4 years he learnt to sucks so much, wonder how much he will
suck after 8 years.
> We do not have
> a Waqar Younis is our midst, and, if we do it will be
> obvious to everyone. So let us stick with the same
> bowling attack.
Nonsense. We don't have Waqar. But that doesn't mean we stick with crap. Mr
Agarkar has to go. Period. Even Prasad at this age is 1000 times better.
Take it from me. Agarkar can never ever get 7 5-vers of average 35 or below
as a bowler. If he bowls a few more tests he will touch 50. As a homework
plot a graph of his cummulative average over the 15 tests he has played.
Nothing on earth can be more pathetic than Craparkar. He makes Madan Lal and
Binny look like geniuses.
>
> If Agarkar can find his rythm, we will have an excellent
That is a big IF. He is never going find his rythm(sic).
>
> There is an advantage of having the same ODI and Test pair
> both of whom bowl around 136-140 kph, and improve over a
I don't give a darn about his bowling speeds. Last 12 tests 21 wickets. Need
I say more.
Raghu Jetley
"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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How many 4-fers in away hostel wins ?
Nikhil Shah
<snipped>
> Nonsense. We don't have Waqar. But that doesn't mean we stick with crap. Mr
> Agarkar has to go. Period. Even Prasad at this age is 1000 times better.
> Take it from me. Agarkar can never ever get 7 5-vers of average 35 or below
> as a bowler. If he bowls a few more tests he will touch 50. As a homework
> plot a graph of his cummulative average over the 15 tests he has played.
> Nothing on earth can be more pathetic than Craparkar. He makes Madan Lal and
> Binny look like geniuses.
>
>
Prasad *cannot* be compared to Agarkar. Prasad is in the mold
of Mohanty, Nehra and Yohannan, where else, Srinath, Zaheer and
Agarkar are high end seamers. High end seamers are suppose to move
the ball in the air a little bit, maintain an upright seam and get
the ball to jag off the pitch along with some more pace around
135+. Prasad, Mohanty and Nehra are accurate bowlers with
lesser pace and as a result, can get the ball to move
in the air considerably lot more than the high end seamers. That
makes them swing specialists.
Sanjay Bangar can meet the requirements that Prasad, Mohanty
and Nehra can achieve and in addition can bat very well.
It is unlikely that while all rounders are suppose to
support the high end seamers, they will get the 5-fers
like Khan and Srinath are suppose to get.
Zhan, Srinath and Agarkar are suppose to get the 5fers
with more pace, accuracy, swing and jagging the ball off
the pitch. Hence they solely are suppose to concentrate
on being match winners. Agarkar has not done that yet, agreed,
but we do not have bowlers of the caliber of Khan and
Srinath, so the plan is to develop Agarkar in that mold
because he has the talent. We may fail in the process and
right now, Yes, Agarkar is in serious jeopardy of losing his
place in the Test side. Unless we find talent at the
same level as Srinath and Khan, Agarkar is the only option.
You can use Bangar as a second seamer, but most of the
time he will end up like the Solkar's, Ghavri's and
Prabhakar's of the past who were medium pacers supporting
to wear the shine off the new ball and not making in great
impact like Kapil, Srinath and Khan.
<snipped>
Regards
Nikhil
Spaceman Spiff
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> [about aggy]
> Besides, his domestic and ODI averages are quite solid and
> after averaging 27.76 and 28 in ODIs, his average of 46 in
> Tests is misleading.
maybe his fc and odi averages are misleading. did you ever consider that?
> I don't think Madanlal is a better
> bowler than Agarkar in Tests inspite of his 40+ average
> in Test matches as a bowler.
its a sad day indeed when madanlal is a benchmark for pace bowlers.
> The best way to judge
> Agarkar is time, and over a period of time, he should be
> a solid Test bowler.
>
solidly useless.
you don't have to eat the whole egg to know that it is rotten.
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Narayan_fan
Narayanan wrote:
> Can someone enlighten me on what the heck Agarkar doing in the Indian team ?
There are always some players like Ajit and Woorkeri who seem to
get into the Indian team, get to play 10-20 matches because somebody
thinks they have 'talent' and you wonder what the hell these people are
doing in the team.
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"Spaceman Spiff" <spaceman_spiff@no_spam_mail.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> you don't have to eat the whole egg to know that it is rotten.
>
i know this one: but you should eat it because it looked good in the store,
the rot is not really a rot, it is invalid, and besides there are none
others left in the carton! (aka Tina Munim or Madonna factor)
Madhusudan Singh
held forth in rec.sport.cricket (<3D7C1CC...@earthlink.net>):
>
> Prasad *cannot* be compared to Agarkar. Prasad is in the mold
> of Mohanty, Nehra and Yohannan, where else, Srinath, Zaheer and
> Agarkar are high end seamers. High end seamers are suppose to move
> the ball in the air a little bit, maintain an upright seam and get
> the ball to jag off the pitch along with some more pace around
And I always thought that Nehra and Mohanty moved the ball around quite a lot.
Its not that Nehra is slow - he has often bowled with an average speed of 132
odd.
> 135+. Prasad, Mohanty and Nehra are accurate bowlers with
> lesser pace and as a result, can get the ball to move
> in the air considerably lot more than the high end seamers. That
> makes them swing specialists.
>
> Sanjay Bangar can meet the requirements that Prasad, Mohanty
> and Nehra can achieve and in addition can bat very well.
You are kidding. Agarkar is not *that* indispensable to the fortunes of the
Indian team in Tests that you would persist in clubbing him with the likes of
Khan and Srinath. Or equate Bangar with Nehra. Bangar has shown some success in
the last two Tests. That does not make him an equal of Nehra. Their speeds,
bowling styles, wicket taking abilities, run restricting abilities are totally
different.
> It is unlikely that while all rounders are suppose to
> support the high end seamers, they will get the 5-fers
> like Khan and Srinath are suppose to get.
Which is why Agarkar does not deserve to be #1 or #2 pacer. If a batsman is
injured in Tests, then he might have a shot but even then there are better
batsmen waiting for their chance in Tests - Kaif, Mongia to name just two.
>
> Zhan, Srinath and Agarkar are suppose to get the 5fers
> with more pace, accuracy, swing and jagging the ball off
> the pitch. Hence they solely are suppose to concentrate
> on being match winners. Agarkar has not done that yet, agreed,
> but we do not have bowlers of the caliber of Khan and
> Srinath, so the plan is to develop Agarkar in that mold
> because he has the talent. We may fail in the process and
If he had the talent, he would have shown gradual improvement after the Aussie
tour. Instead, his performance has just fallen away. Barring Headingley, where
each and every Indian bowler had success, he has simply sucked. He was retained
for T3 purely because he was a better batsman than Nehra.
> right now, Yes, Agarkar is in serious jeopardy of losing his
> place in the Test side. Unless we find talent at the
> same level as Srinath and Khan, Agarkar is the only option.
Which rests upon the (big) assumption that Nehra cannot make a comeback / gets
injured / beats up Ganguly / etc.
>
> You can use Bangar as a second seamer, but most of the
> time he will end up like the Solkar's, Ghavri's and
> Prabhakar's of the past who were medium pacers supporting
> to wear the shine off the new ball and not making in great
> impact like Kapil, Srinath and Khan.
Bangar is a #4 bowler who had to open the bowling with Khan in Eng T4I2 owing to
the "terrifically fast, penetrative" Agarkar having sucked worse than Craig
White. Says a lot about Agarkar.
Madhusudan Singh
forth in rec.sport.cricket (<CEWe9.94386$Fb.38...@news1.west.cox.net>):
>
> "Spaceman Spiff" <spaceman_spiff@no_spam_mail.com> wrote in message
> <snip>
>
>> you don't have to eat the whole egg to know that it is rotten.
>>
> i know this one: but you should eat it because it looked good in the store,
> the rot is not really a rot, it is invalid, and besides there are none
> others left in the carton! (aka Tina Munim or Madonna factor)
>
Reminds me of a joke :
What is the only thing worse than biting into an apple and finding a worm inside
?
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Biting into an apple and finding *half* a worm inside.
:)
Devdas
A better question would be what the heck you were doing since 99-00
when
Dravid started crapping badly in Tests? Now that he has come into
form, i
see you muster some courage to get back into rsc. Otherwise, weren't
you the same person who said Dravid is better than Tendulkar in 1997
only to get egg on your face after the Aus tour when you conveniently
disappeared or rather ran away from rsc. Atleast, Agarkar bats(series
avg. of 42) unlike chutiyanath who crapped both with the bat and ball
in the WI tour(14 wkts in 5 tests for a 10-year experienced bowler!!).
Ask yourself what the heck chutiyanath was doing in the ODI team
contributing zilch with the bat and bowling shit in the slog overs for
several years besides not contributing to any wins???
Devdas
sidd
> Please don't give me the crap that Agarkar had a bad series. The problem is
> you have got your lips firmly glued on to his but and even go to the extent
> to suggest that Ganguly doesn't like him.
Why blame him? He has got his lips glued where the
sun dont shine, you and the other idiot have got
yours glued where the moon cant be seen. Give us
all a rest, take your south west indian crap elsewhere.
Mike Holmans
<nshahs...@earthlink.net> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
> I would like to see Agarkar given
>a little more chances, about 3-4 series outside India and
>hope he can learn and improve over the next 2-3 years as a
>Test bowler.
How many other players would be given 3-4 series to see if they could
make the grade as Test players abroad after what is already a fairly
solid record of non-achievement with the ball? And I don't just mean
Indian players, I mean players from any country. And what is this
putative country supposed to do with two years' worth of foreign trips
while this mediocrity carries on proving that he simply doesn't have
the ability to be a front-line Test bowler? When do they get the
chance to select someone less embarrassing?
The only reason for persisting with a bowler whose Test record so far
is as bad as Aggy's is that there really is nobody else woth
experimenting with.
Cheers,
Mike
Yuk Tang
"Madhusudan Singh" <spammers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bangar is a #4 bowler who had to open the bowling with Khan in Eng T4I2
owing to
> the "terrifically fast, penetrative" Agarkar having sucked worse than
Craig
> White. Says a lot about Agarkar.
Was he really the 5th bowler used?
Perhaps Aggy should try angling for the other opening spot, to give Sehwag a
place in the middle order.
Cheers, ymt.
rkusenet
"sidd" <sid...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Why blame him? He has got his lips glued where the
> sun dont shine, you and the other idiot have got
> yours glued where the moon cant be seen. Give us
> all a rest, take your south west indian crap elsewhere
and leave the bongal vs Vindhya crap to Siddhart Deb Gupta,
the king of all chutiyas. What was that: utpal chatterjee > Murali Karthik,
Sambram Banerjee > Kirmani.
U accuse others of being regionalist, whereas u r the king of all
regionalists.
rk-
Madhusudan Singh
held forth in rec.sport.cricket (<alhpbo$5aq$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>):
>
> "Madhusudan Singh" <spammers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:alhe1d$1q6p4s$1...@ID-159130.news.dfncis.de...
>>
>> Bangar is a #4 bowler who had to open the bowling with Khan in Eng T4I2
> owing to
>> the "terrifically fast, penetrative" Agarkar having sucked worse than
> Craig
>> White. Says a lot about Agarkar.
>
> Was he really the 5th bowler used?
>
Lets just say that they set off similar amounts of pandemonium on the
suck-o-meter :)
> Perhaps Aggy should try angling for the other opening spot, to give Sehwag a
> place in the middle order.
The M. O. is packed. And even if that happens, Sehwag would probably quickly get
replaced with Kaif / Mongia. It has not been a very succesful tour for him.
But what you suggest is a little funny. A fast medium and a medium pace bowler
(Bangar) opening, not the bowling, but the batting :) Gavaskar would be turning
in his shoes at the thought !
Raghu Jetley
"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> How many other players would be given 3-4 series to see if they could
> make the grade as Test players abroad after what is already a fairly
> solid record of non-achievement with the ball?
England, maybe.
Agarkar - 14 matches 34 wkts @ 42.64
Flintoff - 21 matches 33 wkts @ 47.15
Agarkar - 304 runs @ 15.20
Flintoff - 643 runs @ 19.48
Raghu Sakleshpur
> "Narayanan" <amn@nowhere@spammenot.com> wrote :
>
> > Can someone enlighten me on what the heck Agarkar doing in the Indian team
> ?
> > Obviously he is not a test material. Now, his bowling average is 46 and
> > strike rate is about 87. The guy can't even bowl a tight line. He gets
> > pasted all over the park at 4-5 runs an over. No team can afford to have a
> > non performer par excellence of Agarkar's class
>
> Great post dude.
>
> If anything, this series should put an end to "prasad got a free ride
> kinda posts". Also we should now be spared of "aggy is a rhythm bowler"
> crap or "he should be given continuos 3/4 tests to prove himself".
>
Actually now the ASS (Agarakar Support Specialists) crowd are asking
for 3-4 away series before he can be productive to the Indian team!
> Like dot-com hype, agarkar hype has only proved one thing: Shit, even
> when covered with cheese is still shit. Sadiq has taken entire rsc
> for a ride. I know many rsc'ers think highly of Agarkar bcos Sadiq
> writes reams of poetry.
Only goes show that Sadiq is human too..
>
> rk-
-raghu
Augustus Fink-Nottle
>
>"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0dlonucm7hknvfjs9...@4ax.com...
>> How many other players would be given 3-4 series to see if they could
>> make the grade as Test players abroad after what is already a fairly
>> solid record of non-achievement with the ball?
>
>England, maybe.
>
>Agarkar - 14 matches 34 wkts @ 42.64
>Flintoff - 21 matches 33 wkts @ 47.15
>
>Agarkar - 304 runs @ 15.20
>Flintoff - 643 runs @ 19.48
Touche! But I'm sure this won't stop Mike from his rk-style
Agarkar-bashing because :
a) Agarkar's hernia and appendix are still in working order.
b) Agarkar doesn't run through brick walls all day.
c) <insert contrived excuse here>
- Gussie
Andrew Dunford
"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0dlonucm7hknvfjs9...@4ax.com...
> > How many other players would be given 3-4 series to see if they could
> > make the grade as Test players abroad after what is already a fairly
> > solid record of non-achievement with the ball?
>
> England, maybe.
>
> Agarkar - 14 matches 34 wkts @ 42.64
> Flintoff - 21 matches 33 wkts @ 47.15
>
> Agarkar - 304 runs @ 15.20
> Flintoff - 643 runs @ 19.48
Yeah, but Flintoff has fire in his mouth.
Or maybe his groin. Or maybe his chest.
<snip>
Andrew
Shishir Pathak
"Augustus Fink-Nottle" <spam_spam_e...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> In article <aligru$1p2tkq$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de>, "Raghu Jetley"
<jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:0dlonucm7hknvfjs9...@4ax.com...
> >> How many other players would be given 3-4 series to see if they could
> >> make the grade as Test players abroad after what is already a fairly
> >> solid record of non-achievement with the ball?
> >
> >England, maybe.
> >
> >Agarkar - 14 matches 34 wkts @ 42.64
> >Flintoff - 21 matches 33 wkts @ 47.15
> >
> >Agarkar - 304 runs @ 15.20
> >Flintoff - 643 runs @ 19.48
>
>
> Touche! But I'm sure this won't stop Mike from his rk-style
> Agarkar-bashing because :
Never mind. Neither will this series result stop him from telling us that
Hussain is a great tactician, a great motivator and that England won the
series 5-0 (having won the earlier Ind-Eng series in India, 4-0).
Cheers,
Shishir
So what?
deep point
> when covered with cheese is still shit. Sadiq has taken entire rsc
> for a ride. I know many rsc'ers think highly of Agarkar bcos Sadiq
> writes reams of poetry.
Sometime last year, I had said that he has more potential with the bat
than with the ball, despite the fact that he had 5 ducks in Australia
and was atleast statistically our best bowler there. This series was
his first since I wrote that and he proved it here with a batting
average of 42 and a bowling average of 65.
dp