Call the series off!
Aqeel
Aqeel
ango...@yahoo.com
Aqeel wrote:
> Call the series off!
>
> Aqeel
razar...@my-deja.com
Aqeel wrote:
> Call the series off!
>
> Aqeel
*** Based on: http://sport.independent.co.uk/cricket/article1220983.ece
the financial fallout to Pakistan appears small. Teams from Civilised
Countries do not spare a second thought tours to savage places like
Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
dechucka
"Aqeel" <aqee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Call the series off!
>
> Aqeel
If Pakistan did it would add more proof to the fact that they are petulant
little babies
Aqeel
reasons. Also RSA just called off a series and went home due to
security. Due to the current security situation in Great Britian we
should head home. I think its not a safe place for muslims.
Aqeel
dechucka
>I remember the australians not touring pakistan due to security
> reasons. Also RSA just called off a series and went home due to
> security. Due to the current security situation in Great Britian we
> should head home. I think its not a safe place for muslims.
Is that why the Pakistani team didn't come out to play after tea at the
Oval?
You are calling for the tour to be called off because you didn't like a
decision by Doctrove and Hair what a bad sport you are
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet Aqeel was standin' in the doorway
saying:
>Call the series off!
>
>Aqeel
Call Aqeel off!
Ærchie
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Aqeel
without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
around like that.
aqeel
George Orwell
You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
Your racist piece of shit Darren Lehman also a "good sport"?
Screaming and whining and vilifying Murali "good sport"?
A retard bowling under arm another "good sport"?
Typical Australian hypocrisy.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet Aqeel was standin' in the doorway
saying:
>It was a decision that prompts this. It is being labeled as cheats
>without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
>around like that.
>
>aqeel
For crying out loud!
A no-ball is called when a bowler cheats by putting his foot over the line!
A short run is called when a batsman cheats by not running the full 22
yards
A batsman cheats every time he stands and waits for the Umpire's decision
when he knows he touched the ball!
A Fielder cheats when he tampers with the ball.
Aqeel's Law of Cricket - No Pakistani has ever cheated while playing for
his country.
Corollary to Aqeel's Law - No Pakistani has ever been legitimately
No-Balled, Run Short or stood waiting for a decision or tampered with the
ball.
Ærchie's Extension of Aqeel's Law - Everybody cheats! Except maybe
Gilchrist.
Phil.
Aqeel wrote:
> It was a decision that prompts this. It is being labeled as cheats
> without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
> around like that.
>
In that case it's better that the tour is called off and Pakistan go
home and return to playing international sport when they're able to
behave like adults.
Phil.
Ærchie
doorway saying:
>Fuck off dechucka
>
>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way out
of competition)
>Your racist piece of shit Darren Lehman also a "good sport"?
One error of judgement leads to a life time of vilification - hmmmm
>Screaming and whining and vilifying Murali "good sport"?
Murali DID bowl outside the Laws of Cricket - That was why the Law was
changed! His bowling action is legitimate - NOW!
>A retard bowling under arm another "good sport"?
Within the Laws of the Game - at the time.
>
>Typical Australian hypocrisy.
Afridi damaging the pitch - a Good Sport
<add additional examples here>
dechucka
> It was a decision that prompts this. It is being labeled as cheats
> without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
> around like that.
good than cancel the tour and world will have it confirmed that Pakistani
cricketers are petulant little babies and bad sports. It's not like it's the
first time Pakistani cricketers have been involved in ball tampering
dechucka
"George Orwell" <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
news:f62e58ff8b588f6b...@mixmaster.it...
> Fuck off dechucka
>
> You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
no
> Your racist piece of shit Darren Lehman also a "good sport"?
no
> Screaming and whining and vilifying Murali "good sport"?
pointing out that he broke the Laws of cricket and is a confirmed chucker
> A retard bowling under arm another "good sport"?
no but at least what he did was within the laws
>
> Typical Australian hypocrisy.
by agreeing that these people broke the spirit and/or the laws of cricket,
interesting definition
dechucka
"dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:44ecff9d$0$4152$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Ærchie" <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:titpe2t7n9doluntt...@4ax.com...
>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
>> doorway saying:
>>
>>>Fuck off dechucka
>>>
>>>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
>>
>> Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug
>> test
>> their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
>> out
>> of competition)
>
even "mask other agents"
dechucka
> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
>
>>Fuck off dechucka
>>
>>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
>
> Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
> their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
> out
> of competition)
diuretics actually a very serious drug as it can other agents
snip
Ærchie
saying:
>
>"Ærchie" <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:titpe2t7n9doluntt...@4ax.com...
>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
>> doorway saying:
>>
>>>Fuck off dechucka
>>>
>>>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
>>
>> Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
>> their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
>> out
>> of competition)
>
>diuretics actually a very serious drug as it can other agents
>
>snip
>
Yep - I know - but it WAS out of competition and my comment had a sub-text
addressed to the amount and quality of drug testing done on the
Sub-inContinent.
In Warnies case his previous tests had all proven negative. It is not as
though there was a history of drug detection. Of course, diuretics DO mask
steroids. One wonders just why Warnie would need steroids. For his texting
finger?
Ali
ICC won't do shit to fix the problem, instead they'll ban.fine Inzi.
Fucking retards.
All you fuckers need to shut the fuck up. When NZ/SA cancels a tour,
fine. Pakistan does it, they're called babies. Double standards of you
oil worshipers. :)
Ærchie
saying:
>Pakistan should leave England immediatly without playing ODIs. Fuking
Yes - calling off the SA/NZ tours because of terrorist bomb blasts is
exactly the same as PAK calling off a tour because of an exploding Hair!
dechucka
I agree with what you say but I didn't want to be seen as an apologist for
Warne by not pointing it out
Ærchie
Understood - ummm - Is that why you are hiding behind the sightscreen?
dechucka
Ærchie
Private joke :)
I always tried to place a fielder behind the sightscreen when I was bowling
my leggies - - -
Rotten cheating umpires wouldn't let me.
Phil.
Actually they don't mask steroids, that's a way out of date concept,
what diuretics do is dilute urine concentrations (if they tested by
blood they'd be totally irrelevant). In the 'old days' the testing
sensitivity was poor and diuretics could cause testers to miss
steroids, nowadays it's possible that the use of diuretics could reduce
the measured concentration below the legal threshold. That doesn't
matter however because if they simultaneously detect a diuretic and a
low level of steroids they bust you for the steroids anyway!
Phil.
dechucka
dechucka
Ærchie wrote:
dechucka
Ærchie wrote:
I agree with what you have said but I was putting it in laymens terms and in
the terms of some of the allegations which were floating around when he got
busted.
Aqeel
than any other country.
I think England is a dangerous place for a foreign muslim team touring.
The tour should be cancelled and our boys should go back to Pakistan.
Aqeel
Phil.
Right, what I'd meant to add was that the fact that he was busted for
diuretics alone meant that he wasn't taking steroids, although even
taking steroids for him post surgery would have been legal if he'd
applied for a therapeutic use examption (TUE).
Phil.
Will_S
> Call the series off!
>
> Aqeel
>
better still kick Pakistan out of the ICC
dechucka
Please lets not go there. I have spent mega amounts of bandwidth trying to
explain the legitimate medical use of banned drugs in the infamouse Ben Tune
probenecid case ( a rugby union player ) on rsru and when it spilled over on
this ng as well.
Phil.
Chan
dechucka wrote:
> "Aqeel" <aqee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1156373741.9...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > Call the series off!
> >
> > Aqeel
>
> little babies
a) If it is a fact why do you need proof?
b) Once you have a proof (as you are implying), why do you need more
proof?
- Chan
Chan
Aqeel wrote:
> It was a decision that prompts this. It is being labeled as cheats
> without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
> around like that.
You forgot something. Dechucka already has a proof. In fact he is so
excited about it that he is looking for more proofs.
- Chan
Chan
Ærchie wrote:
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
>
> Murali DID bowl outside the Laws of Cricket - That was why the Law was
> changed! His bowling action is legitimate - NOW!
>
Yes but some Australian fans at the grounds don't seem to have realized
that yet ..
> >A retard bowling under arm another "good sport"?
>
> Within the Laws of the Game - at the time.
> >
> >Typical Australian hypocrisy.
>
> Afridi damaging the pitch - a Good Sport
>
> <add additional examples here>
>
Langer flipping the bails
McGrath sledging and not being able to take it back
Waugh (?) claiming a bump catch
Ponting's tirade after being run out by the sub
Geoff Muldoon
Colin Kynoch
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
>
>> Fuck off dechucka
>>
>> You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
>
> Cold tablets - yep - real serious
Actually diuretics.
> - but how many other countries drug test
4 that I am aware of in cricket (ie have a formal anti doping policy,
Australia, NZ, England and South Africa) India will be getting its
squad tested before the No Champions.
> their players at random and frequently?
The above four.
>(Remember, Warnies test was way out
> of competition)
No it wasn't, it was definitely in competition.
<snip>
Colin Kynoch
dechucka
"Chan" <chan.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156401673.5...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I don't know if the ball was tampered with or not and neither does anyone on
this ng, however IMHO the fact that 2 experienced umpires feel that it was
tips the odds in favour of it being tampered with.
However what I do know is that the Pakistani team acted like petulant little
babies by refusing to come out when requested after tea. If the call off the
rest of the series it is just another example
davi...@supanet.com
dechucka wrote:
> >>
> >>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
> >
> > Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
> > their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
> > out
> > of competition)
>
> diuretics actually a very serious drug as it can other agents
>
True. But there was no TV evidence of his taking drugs. Merely the
evidence of some urine. It's possible that the urine was doctored by
the testers, who had it in for leg-spin bowlers; or possibly the urine
had been degraded by being exposed to the atmosphere.
There was no TV evidence, so we can't be sure Warne was responsible, so
he must have been innocent.
Note for the hard of thinking: Sarcasm is a 7 letter word beginning
with S. Warne got caught, did his punishment, end of.
Chan
Ærchie wrote:
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet dechucka was standin' in the doorway
> saying:
>
> >
> >"Ærchie" <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:titpe2t7n9doluntt...@4ax.com...
> >> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> >> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
> >> doorway saying:
> >>
> >>>Fuck off dechucka
> >>>
> >>>You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
> >>
> >> Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
> >> their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
> >> out
> >> of competition)
> >
> >diuretics actually a very serious drug as it can other agents
> >
> >snip
> >
> Yep - I know - but it WAS out of competition and my comment had a sub-text
> addressed to the amount and quality of drug testing done on the
> Sub-inContinent.
>
I love this argument; presume there are all these drug pushers on the
subcontinent who are not getting caught just because Warne was. Who
forced Australia to do this testing? If you decide do it then good for
you, but don't automatically penalize countries that don't do it yet.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Where's your proof of
drug abuse in subcontinent cricket? Or have you been talking to
Dechucka? I'm not saying there isn't drug abuse in any particular place
but no innuendos please.
> In Warnies case his previous tests had all proven negative.
This is the case with everybody prior to the first time they get
caught.
> It is not as
> though there was a history of drug detection.
How many sportsmen or women in any sport have a "history of drug
detection"? Most are out of the sport for good after one or two
convictions, correct?
>Of course, diuretics DO mask
> steroids. One wonders just why Warnie would need steroids. For his texting
> finger?
>
For recovering faster from injury?
Colin Kynoch
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet dechucka was standin' in the doorway
> saying:
>
>> "Ærchie" <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:titpe2t7n9doluntt...@4ax.com...
>>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>>> any sense had already left town. Yet George Orwell was standin' in the
>>> doorway saying:
>>>
>>>> Fuck off dechucka
>>>>
>>>> You call your druggo Shane Warne a "good sport" do you?
>>> Cold tablets - yep - real serious - but how many other countries drug test
>>> their players at random and frequently? (Remember, Warnies test was way
>>> out
>>> of competition)
>> diuretics actually a very serious drug as it can other agents
>>
>> snip
>>
> Yep - I know - but it WAS out of competition and my comment had a sub-text
> addressed to the amount and quality of drug testing done on the
> Sub-inContinent.
It was definitely not out of competition
It was taken the day before Warne played an ODO in Sydney.
> In Warnies case his previous tests had all proven negative.
One had a positive return, but it was below the level required to be
counted as positive. All Warne's other tests were negative though.
> It is not as
> though there was a history of drug detection.
Unless you call one test with a trace and another test positive a history.
> Of course, diuretics DO mask
> steroids. One wonders just why Warnie would need steroids. For his texting
> finger?
The Mob that handed down the ban were of a similar view therefore
reduced the penalty from two years to one year.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
> Pakistan should leave England immediatly without playing ODIs. Fuking
> ICC won't do shit to fix the problem, instead they'll ban.fine Inzi.
> Fucking retards.
I certainly hope so.
He richly deserves a ban for bringing the game into disrepute
> All you fuckers need to shut the fuck up. When NZ/SA cancels a tour,
> fine. Pakistan does it, they're called babies. Double standards of you
> oil worshipers. :)
It all depends on the reasons.
canceling a tour because you don;t like an umpiring decision is childish
in the extreme. canceling because you might die is a completely
different story.
Colin Kynoch
>
Colin Kynoch
> England has more muslim fundamentalists creeping out of the wood work
> than any other country.
>
> I think England is a dangerous place for a foreign muslim team touring.
> The tour should be cancelled and our boys should go back to Pakistan.
Do you think the fundamentalist Muslims will target a Muslim team?
I thought they targeted the infidel.
Colin Kynoch
Bob Martin
>"Aqeel" <aqee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1156373741.9...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> Call the series off!
>>
>> Aqeel
>
>If Pakistan did it would add more proof to the fact that they are petulant
>little babies
You sound like a teenager - are you?
Mo...@unimail.com.au
Phil. wrote:
> Right, what I'd meant to add was that the fact that he was busted for
> diuretics alone meant that he wasn't taking steroids,
No, but it did mean he was taking diuretics. It's a banned substance.
Two years for not giving enough of a shit about drugs in sport to not
take the wrong things is lenient IMO, although pretty standard.
I am not allowed to drink at work. It is not illegal to drink outside
work. If I drink while at work, I may be dismissed. I am not given a
two year break and then welcomed back to a six figure salary and 7
figure endorsement packages.
> although even
> taking steroids for him post surgery would have been legal if he'd
> applied for a therapeutic use examption (TUE).
No. It would have been legal if he'd been -granted- a therapeutic use
exemption. Since I understand that all traces of the drug must be out
of your system before re-entering the professional sporting field, I
don't think it would have helped.
Moby
John Hall
Aqeel <aqee...@yahoo.com> writes:
>Call the series off!
Why? As far as I can make out, Pakistan's quarrel is with Daryl Hair,
not with England.
--
John Hall
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2
Colin Kynoch
Why does such an accurate statement think they are a teenager.
I thought the comment was succinct, most un-teenager like.
Colin Kynoch
Ærchie
the doorway saying:
>
This raises an interesting point about sportsmen (and women) compared with
the rest of us normal mortals.
Accepting that most of us cannot have a drink while we are working, we do
enjoy a quiet shandy after hours. Some of us may even smoke a cigarette or
two (I haven't for 10 1/2 years but who's counting) and some may even smoke
a cigarette without any actual tobacco. If we overdo it or if we are
apprehended by the old bill and word gets back to our management we will
probably get a reprimand.
If a professional sportsman does the same thing it could cost him his
career and hundreds of thousands or even millions of units of his local
currency.
Is there some fairness in this or do we expect more of our sporting heroes
than we do of ourselves?
Phil.
Ærchie wrote:
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet Mo...@unimail.com.au was standin' in
> the doorway saying:
>
> >
> >Phil. wrote:
> >
> >> Right, what I'd meant to add was that the fact that he was busted for
> >> diuretics alone meant that he wasn't taking steroids,
> >
> >No, but it did mean he was taking diuretics. It's a banned substance.
> >Two years for not giving enough of a shit about drugs in sport to not
> >take the wrong things is lenient IMO, although pretty standard.
> >
> >I am not allowed to drink at work. It is not illegal to drink outside
> >work. If I drink while at work, I may be dismissed. I am not given a
> >two year break and then welcomed back to a six figure salary and 7
> >figure endorsement packages.
> >
> >> although even
> >> taking steroids for him post surgery would have been legal if he'd
> >> applied for a therapeutic use examption (TUE).
> >
> >No. It would have been legal if he'd been -granted- a therapeutic use
> >exemption. Since I understand that all traces of the drug must be out
> >of your system before re-entering the professional sporting field, I
> >don't think it would have helped.
> >
> >Moby
>
> This raises an interesting point about sportsmen (and women) compared with
> the rest of us normal mortals.
As someone who has been subject to the drug testing regime and who also
coaches athletes who are I can tell you it's a nightmare. It used to
be worse when cold remedies were banned you had to tell athletes that
they couldn't use cold remedies, Co-Tylenol was illegal for instance.
You have to be very good at reading fine print! I recall having back
spasms in Japan and having to go to the local pharmacy where I couldn't
get anything that had the ingredient list in English. A top
international athlete was recently banned (athough not for the full 2
yrs) because she had used glucose tablets bought over the counter while
competing in a french speaking country because they also contained a
small quantity of a stimulant.
Doctors will often prescribe things that are illegal in an athletic
context, one brand of OCP was illegal for a while, not because it
contained steroids but because it contains a diuretic!
One of my training partners (an Olympic medallist) was tested over 10
times in one year, for the random tests you have to submit a calendar
showing where you're going to be in advance, say you call off a
training session because the forecast calls for thunderstorms you'd
better call in the drug testers because if they turn up at the track
and you're not there you're in trouble.
>
> Accepting that most of us cannot have a drink while we are working, we do
> enjoy a quiet shandy after hours. Some of us may even smoke a cigarette or
> two (I haven't for 10 1/2 years but who's counting) and some may even smoke
> a cigarette without any actual tobacco. If we overdo it or if we are
> apprehended by the old bill and word gets back to our management we will
> probably get a reprimand.
>
> If a professional sportsman does the same thing it could cost him his
> career and hundreds of thousands or even millions of units of his local
> currency.
Those of us who're pilots know that we have to be very careful
regarding alcohol since any alcohol related conviction results in loss
of your pilot's licence.
Simon Pleasants
>It was a decision that prompts this. It is being labeled as cheats
>without proof. I think we need to let the world know we wont be pushed
>around like that.
>
>aqeel
Translation: "if you don't do as we say we won't play"