Murali will not tour (rumour)
dechucka
Rats
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> Supposedly it will be announced officially today
Good riddance to bad rubbish ... even if temporarily.
Kari Sinhalavan
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Synic
Even those naughty sub-editors are getting in on the act ;-).
Murali may chuck in tour
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,9845516-23209,00.html
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alvey
> Supposedly it will be announced officially today
>
>
Yair. There was an aside in the Sunday-Mail mentioning how he's going
to take a two month break but I didn't repeat it as the S-M is a sad
waste of a tree.
alvey
Will Sutton
"alvey" <alvey_unsightlyb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Now let me get this right. Australia wouldn't play in SL during
the World Cup because of security concerns with bombings
etc and Laz labels us as cowards.
Now it looks like Muralai wont play because he is concerned
that he may be verbally abused.
I wonder who the real coward is ?
Andrew Dunford
"The Wog" <[my org name]@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
> JUN2004.html
>
> Pathetic.
>
> I would have considered it pathetic if Gilly wussed out of a tour of RSA,
or
> Worn out of an Ashes tour, or Hadlee out of an AUS tour, because they had
> copped some stick from crowds. Especially since I'm almost certain Murali
> hasn't got any trouble at all from the good people of Cairns and Darwin
> (with the possible exception of Damien Martyn bitchslapping him a couple
of
> times). If his fear is AUS umpires, then these venues are the safest
places
> on earth. The closest he'll come to an AUS match official is the 4th
umpire
> (who, admittedly, has the power to report him) and the groundsman (who
> doesn't).
The third umpire would also be a local.
One press piece I read quoted Murali as being unimpressed that Sri Lanka had
been allocated matches in Cairns and Darwin (a view with which I have some
sympathy), before going on to say that he'd have been taking a break now
irrespective of where Sri Lanka was touring. Some mixed messages there.
Andrew
Wombat
>
http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
> JUN2004.html
>
> Pathetic.
>
> I would have considered it pathetic if Gilly wussed out of a tour of
> RSA, or Worn out of an Ashes tour, or Hadlee out of an AUS tour,
> because they had copped some stick from crowds. Especially since I'm
> almost certain Murali hasn't got any trouble at all from the good
> people of Cairns and Darwin (with the possible exception of Damien
> Martyn bitchslapping him a couple of times). If his fear is AUS
> umpires, then these venues are the safest places on earth. The
> closest he'll come to an AUS match official is the 4th umpire (who,
> admittedly, has the power to report him) and the groundsman (who
> doesn't).
>
I'm actually surprised that no-one (to my knowledge) has yet suggested that
the real reason may be to avoid playing under Chris Broad.
Wombat
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rob moody
"Wombat" <the.w...@removethisbit.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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i dont mind. his horrific average bowling in Oz will remain as shit as it
is. i can still see Slater carting murali all over the WACA in 95.......
dechucka
"Andrew Dunford" <adun...@artifax.net> wrote in message
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he would play in front of far bigger crowds in Cairns and Darwin than he
would in SL in a test. What's he got stage fright?
>
> Andrew
>
>
alvey
> http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
> JUN2004.html
>
> Pathetic.
>
What a pissweak fraud. He didn't mind playing the Zimbabwe 2nd XI
*after* the damning report was published. And it's fucking him that's
been threatening writs etc to create these "personal" issues. And it's
fucking time this nascent myth about how he decided to pull out
*after* Howard opened his big mouth was stamped out. Merrily was
whining for months before Howard's effort that he didn't want to tour
here. Looks like he'll have two symbols next to his name in the record
books now.
* Action found to be illegal
^ Only ever played two Tests against the best side in the world in
their country.
A chucker, a cheat and a coward. Meet Sri Lanka's national hero.
alvey
in brisbane, suspend the little shit. And that SLC is supporting him
speaks volumes about them. Disrepute anyone?
alvey
snip
>
>
> Now let me get this right. Australia wouldn't play in SL during
> the World Cup because of security concerns with bombings
> etc and Laz labels us as cowards.
>
> Now it looks like Muralai wont play because he is concerned
> that he may be verbally abused.
>
> I wonder who the real coward is ?
>
Noel.
alvey
Larry de Silva
"Will Sutton" <willsu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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OK here goes, flame away.
I think Murali is WRONG not to tour Aus. It certainly smacks of petulance
and he appears to be a big pink chicken. He has SO much support in Aus that
he would have been well looked after. But him not touring is a very sad
reflection of his gutless attitude.
I will still support Murali as best as I can but he has lost a bit of my
respect for him today. He is a big wus and I never thought that he would be
one.
Sad day for cricket but a sadder day for Murali. He certainly needs to grow
up. I cant bloody believe that he would take our midget PM dickhead Howard
seriously. Only bloody dopes do.
Laz
Bob Dubery
> http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
> JUN2004.html
>
> Pathetic.
Yep! He's being a big wuss.
Shatadal
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>
--->8---
> OK here goes, flame away.
>
> I think Murali is WRONG not to tour Aus. It certainly smacks of petulance
> and he appears to be a big pink chicken. He has SO much support in Aus
that
> he would have been well looked after. But him not touring is a very sad
> reflection of his gutless attitude.
> I will still support Murali as best as I can but he has lost a bit of my
> respect for him today. He is a big wus and I never thought that he would
be
> one.
>
> Sad day for cricket but a sadder day for Murali. He certainly needs to
grow
> up. I cant bloody believe that he would take our midget PM dickhead Howard
> seriously. Only bloody dopes do.
The real sad thing is that Colin K will not be able to tell Murali on his
face that he is a chucker.
>
> Laz
>
>
>
>
Larry de Silva
"Shatadal" <gsha...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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Well he had the chance and didn't do it dude.
Laz
>
> >
> > Laz
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Shishir S. Pathak
Isn't this a nice chance for Channel Nine to offer a commentating contract
to Murali for the SL series? If they do, Larry, Colin K and Murali will get
an opportunity to break bread together and talk things out a bit for their
own and rsc's benefit. Higgsy, linus, Bobster, Paulie, Spiffster and Alvey
may want to join in too.
Cheers, Shishir
Graeme
got crowds of dickheads chanting "Hadlee's a wanker" all afternoon... Not
that we were all blameless in NZ. I'll have to admit to joining in chanting
this to Warne from the terraces at Eden Park:
"Who ate all the pies?
Who ate all the pies?
You fat bastard...
You fat bastard...
You ate all the pies!"
But it was a hot day, so we had to drink a lot of cold beers...
Bob Dubery
> One press piece I read quoted Murali as being unimpressed that Sri Lanka had
> been allocated matches in Cairns and Darwin (a view with which I have some
> sympathy), before going on to say that he'd have been taking a break now
> irrespective of where Sri Lanka was touring. Some mixed messages there.
I'd have had some sympathy with the "I'd burned out and need to
recharge my batteries" story if that had been the original version of
events. Coming as it does after the various tantrums about not wanting
to tour countries where the crowds are rude and the PM thinks he's a
chucker it's not particularly credible.
Chan Fonseka
The real Larry would never criticize his hero. He is one-eyed, biased
and never says anything bad about any Sri Lankan. So who are you? I am
reporting you to ozemail as yet another Larry impostor.
Chan [although tonewise this is the best effort yet]
Chan Fonseka
Who gives a shit? Certainly Murali doesn't appear to..
Chan
Last Samurai
> Sad day for cricket but a sadder day for Murali. He certainly needs to grow
> up. I cant bloody believe that he would take our midget PM dickhead Howard
> seriously. Only bloody dopes do.
>
Do you seriously think that Murali is doing this because of Howard's comments?
Colin Kynoch
<larryd...@ozemail.com.au> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
with this:
Can say so much to someone in 5 seconds
NOT
Colin Kynoch
Shatadal
"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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You take more than 5 seconds to say cheating chucking cunt?? You slow or
what? Are your roots in Bedfordshire?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Xns94FC58F7B50Djimlaker2yahoocom%40130.133.1.4&output=gplain
>
> Colin Kynoch
>
Colin Kynoch
<gsha...@rediffmail.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
this:
You are confusing me with rats
Colin Kynoch
Paul Robson
It's also carte blanche to the other crowds to heckle him ..... he's making
himself a huge target.
Paul Robson
> The Wog wrote:
>
>>
http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
>> JUN2004.html
>>
>> Pathetic.
>>
>
> What a pissweak fraud. He didn't mind playing the Zimbabwe 2nd XI
> after the damning report was published. And it's fucking him that's
> been threatening writs etc to create these "personal" issues. And it's
> fucking time this nascent myth about how he decided to pull out
> after Howard opened his big mouth was stamped out. Merrily was
> whining for months before Howard's effort that he didn't want to tour
> here. Looks like he'll have two symbols next to his name in the record
> books now.
>
OTOMH the 'rest' thing is crap. I have a memory (which may be wrong) that
before the England games at the turn of the year Sri Lanka had had quite a
long break from playing test cricket - it was mentioned in the article
about him developing this 'new' delivery.
dechucka
"Graeme" <no....@me.please> wrote in message
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> Yeah, Murali only has to put up with people commenting on his action.
Hadlee
> got crowds of dickheads chanting "Hadlee's a wanker" all afternoon... Not
> that we were all blameless in NZ. I'll have to admit to joining in
chanting
> this to Warne from the terraces at Eden Park:
>
> "Who ate all the pies?
> Who ate all the pies?
> You fat bastard...
> You fat bastard...
> You ate all the pies!"
>
> But it was a hot day, so we had to drink a lot of cold beers...
You mean WHITE players get heckled as well, surely the ICC should make this
illegal :-(
Andrew Dunford
"Wombat" <the.w...@removethisbit.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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I was going to say that nobody had suggested that theory because it didn't
make sense, given Broad's specific reporting of the doosra. However making
sense clearly isn't a necessary criteria, as I now see Larry has suggested
it elsewhere in this thread.
Andrew
Larry de Silva
"Chan Fonseka" <Chan.F...@oracle.com> wrote in message
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Chan, there isn't a bigger Murali supporter than me (other than his family I
guess) but I have always said things honestly, without fear. I think Murali
has got wrong advice. Its not a long tour to be so bloody tired about. SL
hardly played any cricket over the past month. This is just a cop out. What
I would have loved to see him do was to have toured, bowled magnificently,
wrecked the Aussie batting, gained more respect and gone home feeling much
better about things. A good fighter shows his true colours when under
pressure. The fact that he has refused to stick it right up the Aussies on
the field has disappointed me immensely. I feel very let down as a loyal
Murali supporter dude. Not what I would have done. Not my style.
Laz
Larry de Silva
"Paul Robson" <auti...@autismuk.freeserve.muralichucks.co.uk> wrote in
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He will NEVER be heckled and abused in ANY non western country dude. They
love his bowling and admire his skills.
Laz
dechucka
so its a racial thing is it?
Larry de Silva
"dechucka" <dech...@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect foreign
champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv Richards,
Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are abused from the stands
so much.
Laz
Colin Kynoch
>
Yeah the Indians loved his bowling so much according to you and your
source that they stopped supporting him and dropped him in the shit.
Maybe St Murali will be able to fool them, but he has shown lately
that he is a petulant spoilt brat.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
>
Botham????
Viv????
Ambrose????
Ganguly???
Hadlee was a wanker.
Wannarunner deserved no respect and got what he deserved.
Miandad was a shit.
Murali is a cowardly chucker.
Colin Kynoch
Cricket Lover
> news:40ceb6d2$0$642$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > JUN2004.html
> >
> > Pathetic.
> >
> > I would have considered it pathetic if Gilly wussed out of a tour of RSA,
> or
> > Worn out of an Ashes tour, or Hadlee out of an AUS tour, because they had
> > copped some stick from crowds. Especially since I'm almost certain Murali
> > hasn't got any trouble at all from the good people of Cairns and Darwin
> > (with the possible exception of Damien Martyn bitchslapping him a couple
> of
> > times). If his fear is AUS umpires, then these venues are the safest
> places
> > on earth. The closest he'll come to an AUS match official is the 4th
> umpire
> > (who, admittedly, has the power to report him) and the groundsman (who
> > doesn't).
>
>
> One press piece I read quoted Murali as being unimpressed that Sri Lanka had
> been allocated matches in Cairns and Darwin (a view with which I have some
> sympathy), before going on to say that he'd have been taking a break now
> irrespective of where Sri Lanka was touring. Some mixed messages there.
>
Both of which are home to some of nature's most spectacular creations.
He could have gone snorkeling on the Great Barrier Reef. I am all for
the comforts of big cities, but it is silly to try and draw conclusions
about the prestige of the venue.
Larry de Silva
They have NEVER abused him and called "no ball" or called him a chucker from
over the fence. NEVER EVER.
> Maybe St Murali will be able to fool them, but he has shown lately
> that he is a petulant spoilt brat.
I'm clearly very disappointed that he didn't tour Aus and stick it right up
them. That's what I would have done in his shoes dude. I would NEVER EVER
run away from a challenge. That's only for bloody wuses.
Laz
>
>
> Colin Kynoch
Larry de Silva
Booed in a Boxing day test in Melb (along with Gooch). I was there. It was
disgusting.
> Viv????
Thought of as arrogant. Not well liked when he played against Aus. at his
peak because he used to score a shit loads of runs. Pascoe hated his guts.
> Ambrose????
Too good during his heyday. Booed when he bowled at Dean Jones after taking
his white wrist band off.
> Ganguly???
S Waugh called him derogatory names and some Aussie posters here have no
time for him.
Laz
dechucka
what a load of crap although I will take a couple of people Ranatunga
champion? what a joke the only thing he wzas a champion at was making a prat
of himself and his team, Murali a champion chucker.
Australians love a champion from wherever
Colin Kynoch
I have heard Aussie players booed as well.
Booing is hardly disgusting.
>> Viv????
>
>
>Thought of as arrogant.
He was, but he had good reason to be.
>Not well liked when he played against Aus.
Oh Please. He was one of the most popular players to play in
Australia.
> at his peak because he used to score a shit loads of runs.
So!!
> Pascoe hated his guts.
Pascoe hated every batsman's guts that is hardly supporting your
argument.
>> Ambrose????
>
>
>Too good during his heyday. Booed when he bowled at Dean Jones after taking
>his white wrist band off.
Wow he was roundly abused then he got booed.
>> Ganguly???
>
>
>S Waugh called him derogatory names and some Aussie posters here have no
>time for him.
So Waugh called him a prick. Big deal.
I have more time for Ganguly than Tendulkar or Dravid.
You have still not made a case that any of these were shown no
respect.
>> Hadlee was a wanker.
>>
>> Wannarunner deserved no respect and got what he deserved.
>>
>> Miandad was a shit.
>>
>> Murali is a cowardly chucker.
No comments on the above?
Colin Kynoch
linus
>
> "Chan Fonseka" <Chan.F...@oracle.com> wrote in message
> news:c992dde0.04061...@posting.google.com...
> > "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> Chan, there isn't a bigger Murali supporter than me (other than his family
I
> guess) but I have always said things honestly, without fear. I think
Murali
> has got wrong advice. Its not a long tour to be so bloody tired about. SL
> hardly played any cricket over the past month. This is just a cop out.
What
> I would have loved to see him do was to have toured, bowled magnificently,
> wrecked the Aussie batting, gained more respect and gone home feeling much
> better about things. A good fighter shows his true colours when under
> pressure. The fact that he has refused to stick it right up the Aussies on
> the field has disappointed me immensely. I feel very let down as a loyal
> Murali supporter dude. Not what I would have done. Not my style.
> Laz
>
>
He appears to be getting pretty bad advice lately. On the whole SL Cricket
appears to be totally clueless on how do deal with this thing. He is
chickening out and this will hurt him more.
linus
Although I don't agree with his decision to not to tour, when you think of
the stuff that has happened to him in Aus, I don't blame him at all. Here
is a portion of a article from CricInfo:
----------------
The gut instinct among many Australians is to think Murali is a sook for not
coming. But we should imagine ourselves in his shoes.
Melbourne is the city where an umpire first calls you for throwing. Adelaide
is where, just when you think life's gone back to normal, it happens again.
Perth is the place you journey every couple of winters to prove you're not a
dirty rotten cheat. Brisbane is where Darren Lehmann bellows "black c---s"
after you and your mates run him out one night. Everywhere blokes with
beerguts stick their flabby right arms out horizontally and holler "no-ball"
just as you're about to let the thing go.
And then the boss of the country, with waving arms and smiling eyes, tells a
bunch of suits at a party luncheon that he reckons you're a chucker. Let's
face reality. Australia has not gone out of its way to make this man
welcome.
----------------
I think that says it all.
But he is still chicken IMO.
Colin Kynoch
parted their butt cheeks and let rip with this:
>
Probably getting advice from Wannarunner.
Colin Kynoch
>
Rats
> Chan, there isn't a bigger Murali supporter than me (other than his family
I
> guess) but I have always said things honestly, without fear. I think
Murali
> has got wrong advice. Its not a long tour to be so bloody tired about. SL
> hardly played any cricket over the past month. This is just a cop out.
What
> I would have loved to see him do was to have toured, bowled magnificently,
> wrecked the Aussie batting, gained more respect and gone home feeling much
> better about things. A good fighter shows his true colours when under
> pressure. The fact that he has refused to stick it right up the Aussies on
> the field has disappointed me immensely. I feel very let down as a loyal
> Murali supporter dude. Not what I would have done. Not my style.
> Laz
Fighter?! He's a chucking cheat!
Rats
news:cHOzc.5337$_L5....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> Melbourne is the city where an umpire first calls you for throwing.
Adelaide
> is where, just when you think life's gone back to normal, it happens
again.
> Perth is the place you journey every couple of winters to prove you're not
a
> dirty rotten cheat. Brisbane is where Darren Lehmann bellows "black c---s"
> after you and your mates run him out one night. Everywhere blokes with
> beerguts stick their flabby right arms out horizontally and holler
"no-ball"
> just as you're about to let the thing go.
Well, people only call him a chucker because he is one.
> And then the boss of the country, with waving arms and smiling eyes, tells
a
> bunch of suits at a party luncheon that he reckons you're a chucker. Let's
> face reality. Australia has not gone out of its way to make this man
> welcome.
He didn't say anything wrong.
> I think that says it all.
> But he is still chicken IMO.
He's a chucking cheat.
Shatadal
> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
> with this:
>
--->8---
> >
> >No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect
foreign
> >champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv Richards,
> >Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are abused from the
stands
> >so much.
>
> Botham????
>
> Viv????
>
> Ambrose????
>
> Ganguly???
>
> Hadlee was a wanker.
What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't remember
the year very well)
Bob Dubery
> I'm actually surprised that no-one (to my knowledge) has yet suggested that
> the real reason may be to avoid playing under Chris Broad.
It's been dealt with previously.
And if you think it through it's a non-issue as long as Murali doesn't
bowl the doosra.
Colin Kynoch
<gsha...@rediffmail.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
this:
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:bk9vc018l6qhmrok6...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:37:49 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
>> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
>> with this:
>>
>
>--->8---
>
>> >
>> >No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect
>foreign
>> >champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv Richards,
>> >Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are abused from the
>stands
>> >so much.
>>
>> Botham????
>>
>> Viv????
>>
>> Ambrose????
>>
>> Ganguly???
>>
>> Hadlee was a wanker.
>
>What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't remember
>the year very well)
Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
(not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
Colin Kynoch
Bob Dubery
> You take more than 5 seconds to say cheating chucking cunt?? You slow or
> what? Are your roots in Bedfordshire?
I was born in Bedfordshire and I can tell you that I can say "cheating
chucking cunt" in 5 seconds. I timed it myself. 3 times. With
different time pieces.
I've also seen my aunts, my mother and my sister in the same room at
the same time.
Shatadal
What are your opinions on Lee headhunting tailenders?
>
> Colin Kynoch
>
Shishir S. Pathak
<snip>
> > Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
> > (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>
> What are your opinions on Lee headhunting tailenders?
By the time tailenders show up at the crease, Lee has usually conceded about
200 runs for no wicket. Given the circs, his attempts to snatch one or two
are entirely justified. Moreover, he's from NSW.
Cheers, Shishir
Aditya Basrur
> >What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't remember
> >the year very well)
>
> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
> (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
Gee. That's rough. What are your thoughts on Peter Lever, who caused Ewen
Chatfield's heart to stop beating on a cricket field in Chatfield's first game
(when he was batting at number 11)? Or on any of the WIPQ who broke people's
arms, noses, etc? Or on Charlie Griffiths who caused Nari Contractor to have a
plate inserted in his head?
Cricket's a rough game. If the guy was on 96, it suggests he was playing
reasonably well. Lillee and Thomson broke plenty of arms, causing people to get
stretchered off. And of course bowlers bowl short deliberately - it's part of
their armoury. It's the batsman's job to get out of the way. Country XI or not,
test players are practicing for the tests. They're entitled to practice what
they want to.
Is Peter Lever a wanker as well?
Aditya
Andrew Dunford
"Aditya Basrur" <sandaa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:caompa$jk1$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> "Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:jnkvc0tof4j7lomdq...@4ax.com...
>
> > >What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't
remember
> > >the year very well)
> >
> > Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
> > Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
> > Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
> > Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
> > and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
> > Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
> > Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
> > (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>
> Gee. That's rough. What are your thoughts on Peter Lever, who caused Ewen
> Chatfield's heart to stop beating on a cricket field in Chatfield's first
game
> (when he was batting at number 11)? Or on any of the WIPQ who broke
people's
> arms, noses, etc? Or on Charlie Griffiths who caused Nari Contractor to
have a
> plate inserted in his head?
>
> Cricket's a rough game. If the guy was on 96, it suggests he was playing
> reasonably well.
Rubbish. He was not of first-class standard, because Colin said so. The
fact that he'd managed to bat for six hours against the first-choice NZ pace
attack is entirely immaterial.
Actually I imagine Hadlee would be chuffed by Colin's description of him
bowling three balls, the first quick and each successive one quicker than
the last. He sounds like a latter-day Larwood, whereas the Hadlee we saw in
NZ was never that quick.
What this newsgroup really needs to know is whether Colin was the boy who
went up to Hadlee at the end of play and called him a mongrel.
<snip>
Andrew
Colin Kynoch
Haven't seen him headhunting tailenders as such.
Seen him bowl short, the only one I can recall him hitting was Tudor
(I think) and he ducked into a lowish bouncer.
Quick bowlers from all sides bowl bouncers at tail enders and with the
amount of protective gear available and the fact that they all wear
helmets I have no problem with it.
The match with Hadlee was more of a festival match and the batsman did
not have a helmet.
Colin Kynoch
>
>>
>> Colin Kynoch
>>
>
Colin Kynoch
<sandaa...@yahoo.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
this:
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:jnkvc0tof4j7lomdq...@4ax.com...
>
>> >What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't remember
>> >the year very well)
>>
>> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
>> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
>> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
>> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
>> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
>> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
>> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
>> (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>
>Gee. That's rough. What are your thoughts on Peter Lever, who caused Ewen
>Chatfield's heart to stop beating on a cricket field in Chatfield's first game
>(when he was batting at number 11)? Or on any of the WIPQ who broke people's
>arms, noses, etc? Or on Charlie Griffiths who caused Nari Contractor to have a
>plate inserted in his head?
These were all Test players. Not players playing in a festival type
match.
>Cricket's a rough game. If the guy was on 96, it suggests he was playing
>reasonably well.
Yeah he had done all right. But he was playing a Test team and he
wasn't even playing district level cricket.
> Lillee and Thomson broke plenty of arms, causing people to get
>stretchered off. And of course bowlers bowl short deliberately - it's part of
>their armoury. It's the batsman's job to get out of the way. Country XI or not,
>test players are practicing for the tests. They're entitled to practice what
>they want to.
So you consider a bowler of Hadlee's ability should have tried to
knock a batsman of that standard out instead of bowl him out?
>Is Peter Lever a wanker as well?
Was he playing a Test match? I don't know I wasn't there. I was for
the Hadlee incident. Hadlee was not a popular person. He was
escorted off the field at the end of play by four coppers.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
<adun...@artifax.net> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with this:
You suggest there was only one.
Most of those at the ground were calling him a mongrel and worse.
Colin Kynoch
Aditya Basrur
<snip>
> Actually I imagine Hadlee would be chuffed by Colin's description of him
> bowling three balls, the first quick and each successive one quicker than
> the last. He sounds like a latter-day Larwood, whereas the Hadlee we saw in
> NZ was never that quick.
Yeah, I always imagined he was more McGrath/Pollock pace than an early Donald,
Shoaib or Brett Lee. But there must be something about country Victoria that
makes Hadlee as fast as Marshall and Agarkar as fast as Waqar pre-1994. (Where's
Shridhar nowadays? It's his birthday this Sunday.) I'm guessing they practiced
running away from the women after the game while running into bowl, and get
carried away when releasing the ball.
Speaking of increased waistlines, have you seen Hadlee lately?
> What this newsgroup really needs to know is whether Colin was the boy who
> went up to Hadlee at the end of play and called him a mongrel.
What? Wouldn't that be tantamount to welcoming Hadlee as one of his own?
Aditya
RodP
lavi...@sprint.ca says...
> Although I don't agree with his decision to not to tour, when you think of
> the stuff that has happened to him in Aus, I don't blame him at all. Here
> is a portion of a article from CricInfo:
> ----------------
> The gut instinct among many Australians is to think Murali is a sook for not
> coming. But we should imagine ourselves in his shoes.
>
> Melbourne is the city where an umpire first calls you for throwing. Adelaide
> is where, just when you think life's gone back to normal, it happens again.
> Perth is the place you journey every couple of winters to prove you're not a
> dirty rotten cheat. Brisbane is where Darren Lehmann bellows "black c---s"
> after you and your mates run him out one night. Everywhere blokes with
> beerguts stick their flabby right arms out horizontally and holler "no-ball"
> just as you're about to let the thing go.
>
> And then the boss of the country, with waving arms and smiling eyes, tells a
> bunch of suits at a party luncheon that he reckons you're a chucker. Let's
> face reality. Australia has not gone out of its way to make this man
> welcome.
> ----------------
> I think that says it all.
> But he is still chicken IMO.
I guess as an Australian playing a sport and being a spectator, this is
all reasonably mild stuff to *us*.
I wouldn't mind asking him how the public treats and reacts to him on
the streets of Aus between games. I'm sure you'd get the odd wanker,
but I'd be surprised if the majority didn't welcome him warmly. I don't
mind the chants of no-ball though I would never join in the chorus but
the treatment particularly when he hobbled off the park injured was
appalling.
As a participant, what was asked of me was to play hard, never give the
opposition a look in but to play fair. We're very critical of our own
sportsmen who cross the line (and Murali's deliveries has breached that
by a large consensus of Aus cricketing public) so away teams playing at
their oppositions home ground will cop it from the crowd. It's not anti-
SL sentiment, it's the product of a crowd who believe that a visiting
player isn't playing fair.
Tonight is apparently the showcase of Rugby League world wide, State of
Origin between NSW and QLD. Part of the ritual of playing in QLD is that
the NSW tour bus passes by a pub on its journey to the stadium in which
QLD supporters can give the NSWelshman a serve that would make the
greeting Murali gets look like a lovefest. When they run on the park,
guaranteed to get ~50000 QLD booing them, and evertime they run the ball
up for the first 10 minutes. It's just what we're accustomed to.
Cheers,
Rod.
alvey
snip
>
> Tonight is apparently the showcase of Rugby League world wide, State of
> Origin between NSW and QLD. Part of the ritual of playing in QLD is that
> the NSW tour bus passes by a pub on its journey to the stadium
The NSW bus hasn't gone past The Caxton for some years now. These days
I believe the NSW players make their way to The Cauldron via their
preferred route. The sewers.
alvey
alvey
snip
>>
>>What are your opinions on Lee headhunting tailenders?
>
>
> Haven't seen him headhunting tailenders as such.
I think you'd be a minority opinion there Col. Not only does he bounce
the crap out of them, he gives them an idiotic send off as well.
alvey
RodP
alvey_unsightlyb...@yahoo.com says...
I heard Freddie say that he was looking forward to going by the Caxton?
Cheers,
Rod.
Shatadal
There was a lot of discsussion in rsc regarding Lee's tactics. Of course you
are not required to believe anything which is written on rsc.
>
> Seen him bowl short, the only one I can recall him hitting was Tudor
> (I think) and he ducked into a lowish bouncer.
>
> Quick bowlers from all sides bowl bouncers at tail enders and with the
> amount of protective gear available and the fact that they all wear
> helmets I have no problem with it.
So if tailenders come out wearing caps or hats, you (if you were a fast
bowler) would make a point of not bouncing them and reprimand any of your
teammates who do?
alvey
He's a NSW player. Don't believe a word he says.
alvey
Paul Robson
>> > love his bowling and admire his skills.
>>
>> so its a racial thing is it?
>
>
> No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect
> foreign champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv
> Richards, Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are abused from
> the stands so much.
Australians barrack everyone and have done since the dawn of time. But they
do appreciate a great player, a fighter. Murali in Aus could not be
described as either.
Paul Robson
> Rubbish. He was not of first-class standard, because Colin said so. The
> fact that he'd managed to bat for six hours against the first-choice NZ
> pace attack is entirely immaterial.
I don't see the contradiction here.
Paul Robson
Don't be ridiculous - he can't aim the ball accurately enough to
deliberately bowl anything.
Colin Kynoch
<alvey_unsightlyb...@yahoo.com> parted their butt cheeks
and let rip with this:
>Colin Kynoch wrote:
Bouncing is not headhunting.
More of them are rib height like the one Tudor ducked into.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
Lee bowls short to tail enders. So what.
There is a difference between bowling short and deliberately bowling
at a batsman's head.
>> Seen him bowl short, the only one I can recall him hitting was Tudor
>> (I think) and he ducked into a lowish bouncer.
>>
>> Quick bowlers from all sides bowl bouncers at tail enders and with the
>> amount of protective gear available and the fact that they all wear
>> helmets I have no problem with it.
>
>So if tailenders come out wearing caps or hats, you (if you were a fast
>bowler) would make a point of not bouncing them and reprimand any of your
>teammates who do?
No. Not now that helmets are readily available.
I would more likely bowl some short to see how they handle it.
Any batsman facing a test Fast bowler without a helmet is a moron or
exceptionally sure of his ability.
Any batsman playing of matting pitches (read quite uneven) without a
helmet is a moron too.
Although a helmet doesn't always help. I was wearing one without a
grille facing a spinner and it jumped off the pitch and hit me in the
mouth.
Colin Kynoch
Yuk Tang
news:e8f67309.04061...@posting.google.com:
Small rooms in Bedfordshire?
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Cheers, ymt.
Aditya Basrur
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, but what about your wife? Are we to assume she was there in some other
guise?
Aditya [ Just joking, Bobster. ] Basrur
Yuk Tang
in news:caovi5$3rb$3...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk:
>>
>> No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely
>> respect foreign champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga,
>> Ganguly, Miandad, Viv Richards, Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is
>> why they were/are abused from the stands so much.
>
> Australians barrack everyone and have done since the dawn of time.
> But they do appreciate a great player, a fighter. Murali in Aus
> could not be described as either.
booing of Brett Lee when he persisted in bouncing the English tail.
--
Cheers, ymt.
RodP
kynoch...@bigpond.com says...
> Lee bowls short to tail enders. So what.
>
> There is a difference between bowling short and deliberately bowling
> at a batsman's head.
I fail to see much difference. The aim of bowling a short ball is
to intimidate the batsman and to try and get him to defend off the
back foot. If the ball is short but not aimed at or towards the batsman
then it's failed on both accounts.
Lee often bowls at the bodies of tail end batsmen. Not that I'm
suggesting it's completely wrong but there have been occassions
where I thought Lee was concentrating too much on the body and not
enough on line and length.
Cheers,
Rod.
Andrew Dunford
You obviously didn't watch him bowling to Shane Bond in the Test match at
Perth.
Andrew
Andrew Dunford
Touche, you pommy prick.
Andrew
Paul Galvin
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:36:55 -0500, "Shatadal"
> this:
>
> >
> >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:37:49 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
> >> with this:
> >>
> >
> >--->8---
> >
> >> >
> >> >No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect
> >foreign
> >> >champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv
Richards,
> >> >Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are abused from the
> >stands
> >> >so much.
> >>
> >>
> >> Viv????
> >>
> >> Ambrose????
> >>
> >> Ganguly???
> >>
> >> Hadlee was a wanker.
> >
> >What did Hadlee do apart from kicking ass in the 85-86 tour? (don't
remember
> >the year very well)
>
> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
>
> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
>
> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
>
> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
>
> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
>
> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
> (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>
Was Glenn Turner playing? You once described him as one of the most
obnoxious post-war players from Australasia. Did he unfairly belt bowlers
who weren't good enough to play 1st class cricket all over the park?
--
Paul.
Aditya Basrur
> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI
> player (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
Actually, Col, I've been thinking about this for the last three or four hours.
Perhaps I was unduly harsh on Oxlade. I still don't think Hadlee is a wanker for
bowling short deliveries which hit Oxlade - I don't think any fast bowler is. I
do want to know if Oxlade was all right subsequently, and I hope he didn't
sustain any lasting damage. Was he wearing a helmet at the time? (I guess I'm
going soft in my dotage.)
And a minor point - leaving lines between sentences seems to make followups
unduly long and tends to mess up formatting when a post is quoted for the third
and fourth time. It's one reason why many fear to tread in the Kynoch/de
Silva/Laws/Higgs type threads with excessive quoting and inadequate snipping. (I
guess there's another reason, but I'm not going to speculate as to what that
is.) Feel free not to take this on board, but I personally find well-formatted
posts much easier to deal with. No hard feelings in suggesting this, I hope.
Aditya
CiL
<sandaa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
><snip>
> I hope he didn't
>sustain any lasting damage. Was he wearing a helmet at the time? (I guess I'm
>going soft in my dotage.)
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/163906_WCM_07JUN2004.html
Colin Kynoch
<adun...@artifax.net> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with this:
Bit like Bond bowling to Lee.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
<p.k.g...@xtra.co.nz> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
this:
I don't recall as I only went to the one day and NZ didn't bat.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
this:
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:jnkvc0tof4j7lomdq...@4ax.com...
>
>> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
>> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
>> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
>> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
>> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
>> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
>> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI
>> player (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>
>Actually, Col, I've been thinking about this for the last three or four hours.
>Perhaps I was unduly harsh on Oxlade. I still don't think Hadlee is a wanker for
>bowling short deliveries which hit Oxlade - I don't think any fast bowler is.
On their own none of the three deliveries were of concern, it was just
the very clear progression and the accuracy (which Hadlee was well
known for) of them in the combination they were bowled.
A Test batsman would have seen it coming, this batsman was nowhere
near that class.
> I do want to know if Oxlade was all right subsequently, and I hope he didn't
>sustain any lasting damage.
He was stretchered off to hospital and from memory was kept in
overnight for observation.
> Was he wearing a helmet at the time? (I guess I'm
>going soft in my dotage.)
No, he wasn't wearing a helmet and this wasn't that uncommon as most
of his teammates didn't wear one either.
<snip done>
;-)
Colin Kynoch
Shatadal
And Hadlee bowled some boucers at a batsman, and a batsman who was playing
very well, not a tailender. So what if he bounced him?
>
> There is a difference between bowling short and deliberately bowling
> at a batsman's head.
Hey if you can't stand the fire get out of the kitchen. He was a batsman. He
should know how to deal with it. If you can expect tailenders who are not
good at batting to face intimidatory bowling why not batsmen who have been
playing very well in the match.
Maybe this batsman got to 96 because the NZ bowlers were taking it easy. As
he got closer to his century Hadlee decided to call of the charade. Why is
that hard to accept? And if the NZ bowlers were bowling at their full
ability then the guy must have been good and so deserved what Hadlee threw
at him.
> >> Seen him bowl short, the only one I can recall him hitting was Tudor
> >> (I think) and he ducked into a lowish bouncer.
> >>
> >> Quick bowlers from all sides bowl bouncers at tail enders and with the
> >> amount of protective gear available and the fact that they all wear
> >> helmets I have no problem with it.
> >
> >So if tailenders come out wearing caps or hats, you (if you were a fast
> >bowler) would make a point of not bouncing them and reprimand any of your
> >teammates who do?
>
> No. Not now that helmets are readily available.
>
> I would more likely bowl some short to see how they handle it.
>
> Any batsman facing a test Fast bowler without a helmet is a moron or
> exceptionally sure of his ability.
>
> Any batsman playing of matting pitches (read quite uneven) without a
> helmet is a moron too.
>
> Although a helmet doesn't always help. I was wearing one without a
> grille facing a spinner and it jumped off the pitch and hit me in the
> mouth.
Why should a bowler care whether the batsman is wearing a helmet or not? If
the batsman can take care of himself, maybe he should not play the game.
>
> Colin Kynoch
Shatadal
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:20:51 +1200, "Aditya Basrur"
> <sandaa...@yahoo.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
> this:
>
> >
> >"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >news:jnkvc0tof4j7lomdq...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> Was at a country XI v NZ game and a guy called Oxlade was on 96.
> >> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
> >> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
> >> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
> >> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
> >> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
> >> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI
> >> player (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
> >
> >Actually, Col, I've been thinking about this for the last three or four
hours.
> >Perhaps I was unduly harsh on Oxlade. I still don't think Hadlee is a
wanker for
> >bowling short deliveries which hit Oxlade - I don't think any fast bowler
is.
>
> On their own none of the three deliveries were of concern, it was just
> the very clear progression and the accuracy (which Hadlee was well
> known for) of them in the combination they were bowled.
>
> A Test batsman would have seen it coming, this batsman was nowhere
> near that class.
Hey he did score a 96 against the NZ attack (didn't Dunford describe it as
the full strength attack?) He must have been decent enough to know how to
protect himself.
>
> > I do want to know if Oxlade was all right subsequently, and I hope he
didn't
> >sustain any lasting damage.
>
> He was stretchered off to hospital and from memory was kept in
> overnight for observation.
What happened after that?
>
> > Was he wearing a helmet at the time? (I guess I'm
> >going soft in my dotage.)
>
>
> No, he wasn't wearing a helmet and this wasn't that uncommon as most
> of his teammates didn't wear one either.
Maybe he should have asked for one after the first of the Hadlee deliveries.
Spaceman Spiff
grunted:
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:47:32 +1200, "Aditya Basrur"
> <sandaa...@yahoo.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
> this:
>
>>
>> "Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:jnkvc0tof4j7lomdq...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>> (don't remember the year very well)
>>>
>>> Hadlee bowled a short quick one that hit the guy in the side.
>>> Next ball was shorter and faster hit him in the chest.
>>> Next ball Oxlade was taken off on a stretcher as the ball was faster
>>> and shorter and smashed into the side of his head.
>>> Didn't think it other than deliberate at the time and still don't.
>>> Here was a Test bowler who deliberately took out a country XI player
>>> (not even good enough to play 1st class cricket)
>>
>> Ewen Chatfield's heart to stop beating on a cricket field in
>> Chatfield's first game (when he was batting at number 11)? Or on any
>> of the WIPQ who broke people's arms, noses, etc? Or on Charlie
>> Griffiths who caused Nari Contractor to have a plate inserted in his
>> head?
>
> These were all Test players. Not players playing in a festival type
> match.
>
>
>> Cricket's a rough game. If the guy was on 96, it suggests he was
>> playing reasonably well.
>
> Yeah he had done all right. But he was playing a Test team and he
> wasn't even playing district level cricket.
>
>> Lillee and Thomson broke plenty of arms, causing people to get
>> stretchered off. And of course bowlers bowl short deliberately -
>> it's part of their armoury. It's the batsman's job to get out of the
>> way. Country XI or not, test players are practicing for the tests.
>> They're entitled to practice what they want to.
>
> So you consider a bowler of Hadlee's ability should have tried to
> knock a batsman of that standard out instead of bowl him out?
>
bugger the standard. he was good enough to score 96.
if the bowling was indeed unfair & intimidating, wtf was the umpire doing?
since the umpire didn't call it, ergo, it was not intimidating bowling.
>> Is Peter Lever a wanker as well?
>
>
> Was he playing a Test match? I don't know I wasn't there. I was for
> the Hadlee incident. Hadlee was not a popular person. He was
> escorted off the field at the end of play by four coppers.
>
imo, the crowd at the match seem to come off as a bunch of wankers.
--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff
No more cryin' and memories find their way back
Tomorrow's waiting let's journey there together
Yesterday is gone but tomorrow is forever
Spaceman Spiff
> "Andrew Dunford" <adun...@artifax.net> wrote in message
> news:_cMzc.2672$NA1.2...@news02.tsnz.net...
>>
>> "Wombat" <the.w...@removethisbit.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:camfpc$935$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> The Wog wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUN/169485_AUSSL2004_14
>>>> JUN2004.html
>>>>
>>>> Pathetic.
>>>>
>>>> I would have considered it pathetic if Gilly wussed out of a tour
>>>> of RSA, or Worn out of an Ashes tour, or Hadlee out of an AUS tour,
>>>> because they had copped some stick from crowds. Especially since
>>>> I'm almost certain Murali hasn't got any trouble at all from the
>>>> good people of Cairns and Darwin (with the possible exception of
>>>> Damien Martyn bitchslapping him a couple of times). If his fear is
>>>> AUS umpires, then these venues are the safest places on earth. The
>>>> closest he'll come to an AUS match official is the 4th umpire (who,
>>>> admittedly, has the power to report him) and the groundsman (who
>>>> doesn't).
>>>>
>>>> Wog
>>>
>>> I'm actually surprised that no-one (to my knowledge) has yet
>>> suggested that the real reason may be to avoid playing under Chris
>>> Broad.
>>
>> I was going to say that nobody had suggested that theory because it
>> didn't make sense, given Broad's specific reporting of the doosra.
>> However making sense clearly isn't a necessary criteria, as I now
>> see Larry has suggested it elsewhere in this thread.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>
> Although I don't agree with his decision to not to tour, when you
> think of the stuff that has happened to him in Aus, I don't blame him
> at all. Here is a portion of a article from CricInfo:
> ----------------
> The gut instinct among many Australians is to think Murali is a sook
> for not coming. But we should imagine ourselves in his shoes.
>
> Melbourne is the city where an umpire first calls you for throwing.
> Adelaide is where, just when you think life's gone back to normal, it
> happens again. Perth is the place you journey every couple of winters
> to prove you're not a dirty rotten cheat. Brisbane is where Darren
> Lehmann bellows "black c---s" after you and your mates run him out
> one night. Everywhere blokes with beerguts stick their flabby right
> arms out horizontally and holler "no-ball" just as you're about to
> let the thing go.
>
> And then the boss of the country, with waving arms and smiling eyes,
> tells a bunch of suits at a party luncheon that he reckons you're a
> chucker. Let's face reality. Australia has not gone out of its way to
> make this man welcome.
> ----------------
> I think that says it all.
> But he is still chicken IMO.
for a regular person, this treatment would be way over the top.
but murali is a public persona and a professional, and as such is expected to
have a thicker skin,
i still hope he changes his mind again, and goes to australia.
he still has to prove himself there. (and in india- can't wait for the next sl
tour of india).
Shishir S. Pathak
news:Pb_zc.31157$mz.2...@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
I don't think he'll travel to India either. Bharat Rao has been asking
around and has expressed interest in watching those games at the grounds.
Aditya & Shatadal may drop in as well. CIL will be around as usual.
Cheers, Shishir
Shishir S. Pathak
<snip>
> if the bowling was indeed unfair & intimidating, wtf was the umpire doing?
> since the umpire didn't call it, ergo, it was not intimidating bowling.
ROLF. Good stuff.
Cheers, Shishir
<snip>
The One and Only
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:00:09 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
> with this:
>
>>
>>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:bk9vc018l6qhmrok6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:37:49 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
>>> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
>>> with this:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"dechucka" <dech...@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
>>> >news:gjNzc.21$5f6....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> >> news:giNzc.19$5f6....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Paul Robson" <auti...@autismuk.freeserve.muralichucks.co.uk>
>>> >> > wrote
>>in
>>> >> > message news:canv42$brh$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> >> > > Bob Dubery wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > "Andrew Dunford" <adun...@artifax.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > > > news:<ngzzc.2575$NA1.2...@news02.tsnz.net>...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >> One press piece I read quoted Murali as being unimpressed
>>> >> > > >> that
>>Sri
>>> >> > Lanka
>>> >> > > >> had been allocated matches in Cairns and Darwin (a view
>>> >> > > >> with
>>which
>>> >I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > > >> some sympathy), before going on to say that he'd have been
>>taking a
>>> >> > break
>>> >> > > >> now irrespective of where Sri Lanka was touring. Some
>>> >> > > >> mixed
>>> >messages
>>> >> > > >> there.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I'd have had some sympathy with the "I'd burned out and
>>> >> > > > need to recharge my batteries" story if that had been the
>>> >> > > > original
>>version
>>> >of
>>> >> > > > events. Coming as it does after the various tantrums about
>>> >> > > > not
>>> >wanting
>>> >> > > > to tour countries where the crowds are rude and the PM
>>> >> > > > thinks
>>he's a
>>> >> > > > chucker it's not particularly credible.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > It's also carte blanche to the other crowds to heckle him
>>> >> > > .....
>>he's
>>> >> > making
>>> >> > > himself a huge target.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > He will NEVER be heckled and abused in ANY non western country
>>> >> > dude.
>>> >They
>>> >> > love his bowling and admire his skills.
>>> >>
>>> >> so its a racial thing is it?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >No I think its a lack of respect thing. Aussies very rarely respect
>>foreign
>>> >champions. (Eg Hadlee, Botham, Ranatunga, Ganguly, Miandad, Viv
>>> >Richards, Ambrose, Murali etc etc). That is why they were/are
>>> >abused from the
>>stands
>>> >so much.
>>>
>>> Botham????
>>
>>
>>Booed in a Boxing day test in Melb (along with Gooch). I was there. It
>>was disgusting.
>
> I have heard Aussie players booed as well.
>
> Booing is hardly disgusting.
>
>
>>> Viv????
>>
>>
>>Thought of as arrogant.
>
> He was, but he had good reason to be.
>
>>Not well liked when he played against Aus.
>
> Oh Please. He was one of the most popular players to play in
> Australia.
>
>> at his peak because he used to score a shit loads of runs.
>
> So!!
>
>> Pascoe hated his guts.
>
> Pascoe hated every batsman's guts that is hardly supporting your
> argument.
>
>>> Ambrose????
>>
>>
>>Too good during his heyday. Booed when he bowled at Dean Jones after
>>taking his white wrist band off.
>
> Wow he was roundly abused then he got booed.
>
>
>>> Ganguly???
>>
>>
>>S Waugh called him derogatory names and some Aussie posters here have
>>no time for him.
>
> So Waugh called him a prick. Big deal.
>
> I have more time for Ganguly than Tendulkar or Dravid.
Due to (alleged) ball-tampering?
Andrew Dunford
You've changed your tune. One moment you're saying Lee doesn't 'headhunt'
tailenders, then you move to "the other bloke did it too". Make up your
mind.
Andrew
Andrew Dunford
<snip>
> The match with Hadlee was more of a festival match and the batsman did
> not have a helmet.
Which reminds me about the ridiculous itinerary arranged for that tour.
NZ arrived in Australia at the end of October. They started off with a
mixture of both forms of the game (four-dayers against Victoria and
Queensland, three-day matches versus the ACT and Newcastle District, and a
couple of one-day matches against country teams). The week immediately
prior to the first Test was occupied with that most relevant Test-match
preparation, two one-day internationals. They continued to play an
exclusive diet of limited-overs matches between each Test match, then once
the Test series had finished they started playing three and four-day matches
again as preparation for the remainder of the odo series. There was even a
three-day match between the end of the preliminary series and the first
one-day final. Bizarre.
Andrew
Andrew Dunford
"Shishir S. Pathak" <ANTIshishir_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> I don't think he'll [Muralitharan] travel to India either. Bharat Rao has
been asking
> around and has expressed interest in watching those games at the grounds.
What did Bharat say to make Murali not want to tour India?
Andrew
Colin Kynoch
No alleged about it.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
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>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:hei0d0d30icmefc6h...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:24:53 +1200, "Andrew Dunford"
>> <adun...@artifax.net> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with this:
>>
>> >
>> >"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >news:hb10d0tma06gldjg1...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:20:58 +1000, alvey
>> >> <alvey_unsightlyb...@yahoo.com> parted their butt cheeks
>> >> and let rip with this:
>> >>
>> >> >Colin Kynoch wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >snip
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>What are your opinions on Lee headhunting tailenders?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Haven't seen him headhunting tailenders as such.
>> >> >
>> >> >I think you'd be a minority opinion there Col. Not only does he bounce
>> >> >the crap out of them, he gives them an idiotic send off as well.
>> >>
>> >> Bouncing is not headhunting.
>> >>
>> >> More of them are rib height like the one Tudor ducked into.
>> >
>> >You obviously didn't watch him bowling to Shane Bond in the Test match at
>> >Perth.
>>
>>
>> Bit like Bond bowling to Lee.
>
>You've changed your tune. One moment you're saying Lee doesn't 'headhunt'
>tailenders, then you move to "the other bloke did it too". Make up your
>mind.
I don't think either of them headhunted.
They bowled short, but that is not the same as bowling for the guys
head a la Hadlee in the example I gave.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:bd10d0phhond9t3qh...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:45:39 -0500, "Shatadal"
>> <gsha...@rediffmail.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
>> this:
>>
>> >
>> >"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
<snip>
>> >> Haven't seen him headhunting tailenders as such.
>> >
>> >There was a lot of discsussion in rsc regarding Lee's tactics. Of course
>you
>> >are not required to believe anything which is written on rsc.
>>
>> Lee bowls short to tail enders. So what.
>
>And Hadlee bowled some boucers at a batsman, and a batsman who was playing
>very well, not a tailender. So what if he bounced him?
As I said none of the deliveries were a problem in isolation, it was
the very clear progression that signaled Hadlee's intent. That and
him not even checking up to see how the batsman was, despite him being
taken off the field on a stretcher.
>> There is a difference between bowling short and deliberately bowling
>> at a batsman's head.
>
>Hey if you can't stand the fire get out of the kitchen. He was a batsman. He
>should know how to deal with it. If you can expect tailenders who are not
>good at batting to face intimidatory bowling why not batsmen who have been
>playing very well in the match.
Difference between Test Match and festival standard match. Also the
difference between the protective options available to tailenders
today and what was available at the time.
>Maybe this batsman got to 96 because the NZ bowlers were taking it easy.
Funny that it was a festival match.
>As he got closer to his century Hadlee decided to call of the charade. Why is
>that hard to accept?
The way in which he did it was deliberate and he showed no concern for
the batsman.
> And if the NZ bowlers were bowling at their full
>ability then the guy must have been good and so deserved what Hadlee threw
>at him.
It wasn't even a first class game. The players were a Country XI
which meant they were not generally up to District standard (the
feeder comp to first class cricket in Australia)
>> >> Seen him bowl short, the only one I can recall him hitting was Tudor
>> >> (I think) and he ducked into a lowish bouncer.
>> >>
>> >> Quick bowlers from all sides bowl bouncers at tail enders and with the
>> >> amount of protective gear available and the fact that they all wear
>> >> helmets I have no problem with it.
>> >
>> >So if tailenders come out wearing caps or hats, you (if you were a fast
>> >bowler) would make a point of not bouncing them and reprimand any of your
>> >teammates who do?
>>
>> No. Not now that helmets are readily available.
>>
>> I would more likely bowl some short to see how they handle it.
>>
>> Any batsman facing a test Fast bowler without a helmet is a moron or
>> exceptionally sure of his ability.
>>
>> Any batsman playing of matting pitches (read quite uneven) without a
>> helmet is a moron too.
>>
>> Although a helmet doesn't always help. I was wearing one without a
>> grille facing a spinner and it jumped off the pitch and hit me in the
>> mouth.
>
>Why should a bowler care whether the batsman is wearing a helmet or not? If
>the batsman can take care of himself, maybe he should not play the game.
So you have no problems with a bowler deliberately bowling at an
unprotected head of a batsman?
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
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Why did they agree to it?
Colin Kynoch
Andrew Dunford
Not the foggiest.
Andrew
Colin Kynoch
<spaceman_spiff@no_spam_mail.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip
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The game had been played in a light hearted spirit up to the point
that Hadlee bowled the three deliveries in question.
The umpires were locals and I think quite unlikely to have a go at a
Test bowler.
>>> Is Peter Lever a wanker as well?
>>
>>
>> Was he playing a Test match? I don't know I wasn't there. I was for
>> the Hadlee incident. Hadlee was not a popular person. He was
>> escorted off the field at the end of play by four coppers.
>>
>imo, the crowd at the match seem to come off as a bunch of wankers.
Had Hadlee shown any concern for the batsman it may have helped. He
didn't go up to the batsman after he was hit to see how he was. And
the guy was carried off on a stretcher
Colin Kynoch
Aditya Basrur
<snip>
> As I said none of the deliveries were a problem in isolation, it was
> the very clear progression that signaled Hadlee's intent. That and
> him not even checking up to see how the batsman was, despite him
> being taken off the field on a stretcher.
FWIW, a lot of fast bowlers don't and didn't look after a hurt batsman. I
remember reading something John Snow once said about how, the one time he
went to look at a guy who he'd hit, he was unable to bowl fast for the rest
of the innings through fear that he'd hurt someone else. He came to grips
with the fact that hitting batsmen was an occupational hazard. Most quicks
follow his example. (The major exception that comes to mind is Charlie
Griffiths with Nari Contractor. I don't recall him going up to Contractor
after hitting him, but he gave blood generously that night at the hospital.)
Do you expect Brett Lee to go up to batsmen after he's hit them? How do you
know Hadlee didn't phone the hospital that evening?
Aditya
Colin Kynoch
<gsha...@rediffmail.com> parted their butt cheeks and let rip with
this:
Against a bowler of Hadlee's calibre?
He had done OK but the bowling had hardly been Test standard. The
NZers had to that point played in a rather laid back manner that teams
tend to in festival matches.
>> > I do want to know if Oxlade was all right subsequently, and I hope he
>didn't
>> >sustain any lasting damage.
>>
>> He was stretchered off to hospital and from memory was kept in
>> overnight for observation.
>
>What happened after that?
Well he was released from hospital.
I imagine he went back to playing country cricket.
>> > Was he wearing a helmet at the time? (I guess I'm
>> >going soft in my dotage.)
>>
>>
>> No, he wasn't wearing a helmet and this wasn't that uncommon as most
>> of his teammates didn't wear one either.
>
>Maybe he should have asked for one after the first of the Hadlee deliveries.
Maybe he didn't own one.
At the time helmets were still not that common.
We didn't have them at a junior level till the year after.
And the year after they were made compulsory for batsman and
wicketkeepers when several kids got hit by nasty deliveries (we played
on malthoid on concrete, which frequently bubbled when it got hot)
Colin Kynoch
Andrew Dunford
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<snip>
> I remember reading something John Snow once said
John Snow is a wanker.
<snip>
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
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>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Lee certainly went up to Tudor when he hit him.
>How do you
>know Hadlee didn't phone the hospital that evening?
That he may have. But his intent was clear and his showing no sign of
concern for the batsman did nothing to endear him to the crowd.
From that point on I could appreciate his skill, but didn't like him
all that much.
Colin Kynoch