If Rahul can, Sachin can
tendulkar.com
Looks like Rahul is attempting to play the Ranji final and flying to
Bangla on 15th. Since Sachin is still in India, he could do that too.
Two legends captaining their teams for one ultimate challenge in a
prestigious cup of a dying format and then flying together to
represent India...
I'm sure the Indian team think-tank won't mind Rahul-Sachin
practicing against some real bowlers in a real match to prepare for
test matches vs Bangla. They can even arrange a private jet to fly
them to Bangla
vijay...@my-deja.com
> May be they should settle this once for all too :-)
>
> Looks like Rahul is attempting to play the Ranji final and flying to
> Bangla on 15th. Since Sachin is still in India, he could do that too.
>
That would be great...I know SRT wanted a break which is
why he didn't sign up for the ODIs, but I was hoping
he would play the semis v Delhi, too.
The question is, will he?
Vijay
Don speaks the truth
Yeah they have to play so that you idiots can start the useless Rahul
vs Sachin debate again. I thought it was long dead after Dravid
averaging
in the 30s between 2006 and 2008.
Don
viper
"Don speaks the truth" <don2...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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Don
Hey shit for brains, are you going to explain this remark, or just keep
running
away like the dog u are ?
'says a black ugly brain defunct slave. Fucking nigger!'
Don
Jayen
>
> Looks like Rahul is attempting to play the Ranji final and flying to
> Bangla on 15th. Since Sachin is still in India, he could do that too.
>
> Two legends captaining their teams for one ultimate challenge in a
> prestigious cup of a dying format and then flying together to
> represent India...
SRT doesn't captain Mumbai, Jaffer does.
Regards,
Jayen
Howzzat
wrote:
Unlikely if history is any guide. Can't remember the last time Sachin
played Ranjis - he seems to just show up for international games after
taking self-imposed breaks, and does just fine. Only Sachin can get
away with it, but I guess he deserved some leeway considering the wear
and tear on his body.
guyana
> "Don speaks the truth" <don200...@rediffmail.com> wrote in messagenews:5f010dac-b51d-43a4...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Donny, darker than the Ace of spades is all uppity on black folks!
Wtf coolie, brown cow? hurry up with the rickshaw sammy, chop chop
yeskay
wrote:
SRT in 2005-2007 against teams not named BD:
unfiltered 162 12970 248* 54.72 43 54 44 3/10 52.22
0 104 0
filtered 14 711 109 33.85 1 4 1 1/62 192.00
0 10 0
yeskay
Not saying RD is better, but showing how selective stat quoting cuts
both ways.
yeskay
Now even Rahul is not going to play Ranji Final. Uthappa to lead
Karnataka i
the final. So it is Vada-pavs v/s Bondas or puranpolis v/s dosas.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ranjisuperleague2009/content/story/442961.html
Andrew Dunford
"Howzzat" <shgu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tendulkar played in the Ranji semi-final and final last season. Of course
he scored only 0 & 4 in the final so perhaps Mumbai wouldn't want him
anyway.
Andrew
alvey
I demand that this is factored into the Quest To Prove That SRT Is Better
(Or Equal if I'm pushed) Than Bradman. A weighting factor of 300 is
perfectly objective.
alvey
Uday Rajan
> "Howzzat" <shgupt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Can't remember the last time Sachin
> > played Ranjis - he seems to just show up for international games after
> > taking self-imposed breaks, and does just fine. Only Sachin can get
> > away with it, but I guess he deserved some leeway considering the wear
> > and tear on his body.
>
> Tendulkar played in the Ranji semi-final and final last season. Of course
> he scored only 0 & 4 in the final so perhaps Mumbai wouldn't want him
> anyway.
Spot on. Tendulkar has generally played in the Ranjis when he's been
fit and free. The only reason he's not playing right now is because he
is taking a rest from the national team. If he were not resting, he'd
be playing for India in the silly odo tourney going on. I suppose he's
important enough to negotiate a break to let him play a Ranji match
(ISTR some story about changing the date of the Ranji final a couple
of seasons ago), but it's hard to imagine the BCCI would let one of
its premier cash cows stay away from the national stage to play in a
domestic match.
xs...@yahoo.com
it probably isn't so much the bcci as the media i would think that is
more
to be feared. it is a difficult question to answer. if you're resting,
how come
you're playing the ranjis? it is best for indian cricketers to avoid
controversies.
Don speaks the truth
>
> - Show quoted text -
Point is not about Sachin failing for some time, point is Dravid was
hyped by you'll as someone who could possibly never fail and the best
of Indian Test cricket
but we all saw how captaincy and its ill-effects affected
him...something that Sachin had gone through much before...point is
many Bonda Bosads lose their practicality when it comes to reasoning
about their own state players.
Don
Don speaks the truth
> "Howzzat" <shgupt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
And he played in the Ranji finals before that in 2007 and scored a
century in
the final...whats your point, loose crack?
Don
viper
Don
Don
Uday Rajan
Perhaps he saw the Bombay side and deemed it below his dignity to
participate in a club-level contest. Mumbai batted, and were 20/3 in
the 5th over, with Jaffer and Rahane both gone. On this one, Sadiq was
certainly right; they should have stuck to Rahane at 3 and Jaffer at
4. Khanvilkar and Nayar have staged a grand recovery to 42/3 as we
speak. Khanvilkar has been dropped once and Nayar has been hit on the
box. Mumbai on target to lose by an innings by lunch-time on day 4.
Mohan
> Turns out that Dravid is not playing in the Ranji final either.
The Indian team management said he has to report at Dhaka by 15th
evening. Since the Ranji finals ends on 15th, he had no choice. KSCA
tried to get the match advanced by a day (even cited solar eclipse as
a reason!), but bcci said nothing doing.
Mohan
Jayen
> Perhaps he saw the Bombay side and deemed it below his dignity to
> participate in a club-level contest.
Nothing personal, but the pleasure of beating Bombay is so high that
the typical player would show up even if the team were to consist of
you, Sadiq, Arvind Borde etc. However, I was disappointed with
Dravid's captaincy in the semi-final. Winning is a habit, and he
should have helped the team cultivate it by going for a win on the
last day instead of opting for batting practice.
> Mumbai batted, and were 20/3 in
> the 5th over, with Jaffer and Rahane both gone. On this one, Sadiq was
> certainly right; they should have stuck to Rahane at 3 and Jaffer at
> 4. Khanvilkar and Nayar have staged a grand recovery to 42/3 as we
> speak. Khanvilkar has been dropped once and Nayar has been hit on the
> box. Mumbai on target to lose by an innings by lunch-time on day 4.
104/5 subsequently. Let's see how well Bombay recovers.
Regards,
Jayen
Don speaks the truth
Fuckin Bonda Bosad/CC in the guise of Vada Pav, it was a greentop.
And Mumbai chose to bat after winning toss. Don't you read the
reports?
Gonna be Sydney Aus vs Pak de ja vu?
Don
viper
Don
Don the dog
Viper
yeskay
CI says the pitch is a Perth. So, 233 is not a bad score thanks to
Rakhi Samant.
Mumbai might get a small lead or give a small lead. With pitch
expected to
crumble on D4/D5, Kar batting in I4 might look to chase 250+. Mumbai
will bag
this match handily. Too many internationals in this side compared to
Kar (missing
Dravid badly), Fatman and Aag will be too much to handle for the
Bondas.
Uthappa is gone already
Don speaks the truth
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sanjeev Kumar Bosad, what happened to your famous Bonda stubbornness?
All gone in a whiff of thin air in the last 5-7 years?
FYI, i still think Karnataka are favourites. Don't discount your
Bhayya (Bimaru)
import Pandeyji who can make the difference unless Mumbai bowlers bowl
a miracle of a spell or two.
Don
Cricketwallah
Uday Rajan wrote:
> Turns out that Dravid is not playing in the Ranji final either.
Ye. Basically bad scheduling by BCCI IMHO - really it ought
not be difficult to do better than they do. It could have been
worked around between the tours.. ideally could have had
both Dravid and Tendulkar playing. Instead, of course, neither
have. Not that it would have made that much of a difference,
with the horrendous captaincy decision of batting first on
a pitch with moisture pace and bounce, that basically
handed the game to Karnataka right away yesterday.
> Perhaps he saw the Bombay side and deemed it below his dignity to
> participate in a club-level contest. Mumbai batted, and were 20/3 in
> the 5th over, with Jaffer and Rahane both gone. On this one, Sadiq was
> certainly right; they should have stuck to Rahane at 3 and Jaffer at
> 4. Khanvilkar and Nayar have staged a grand recovery to 42/3 as we
> speak. Khanvilkar has been dropped once and Nayar has been hit on the
> box. Mumbai on target to lose by an innings by lunch-time on day 4.
I still dont know why they moved off the Rahane #3, Jaffer #4
combination... Jaffer said on being asked a couple of days
ago that "the move didnt work" so he was moving back to
opening. Completely untrue IMHO - it didnt work in the
sense that Bombay didnt end up having great opening
stands in his absence (individually openers still sometimes
got runs - Kukreja made runs, Marathe made a ton and an
80, they just didnt do it at the same time)... but the *team*
made runs every time, with Rahane and Jaffer shoring
up the middle order. For the *team* it worked IMHO, just
not for the opening partnership. It was a bad idea to
abandon it, and its failed ever since.
Yesterday, though, it was that other captaincy decision -
batting first - that killed the team. I was actually saying
a couple days ago that I really was hoping we'd win the
toss... Jaffer had lost like 10 consecutive tosses to
start the year, and was really due to win a few.. was
hoping this would give us a good early chance. Theyve
prepared a pitch with early pace and bounce, its been
cloudy/rainy the last couple days (with lots of moisture
being retained in the pitch pre-game), with the grass
left on its unlikely to be a big-turner late... its a complete
no-brainer, never even crossed my mind that the
toss-winning captain wouldnt bowl! Heck, you could
even hope for some first-morning-of-final nerves from
the younger opposition.
Instead he decides to bat.. and is promptly 3-down in
the first 5 overs as a result. Basically handed over
the game right there. After the Agarkar-incident it
was a brave fight by the lower order - 30/40 run
battling partnerhips by all of them - but it just left
too much to do for the tail. 233 is a recovery, but
is nowhere near enough, especially with the form
the Karnataka batsmen have been in this year.
Today will probably decide it for them - the
moisture in the pitch is probably gone now, and with
no time pressures the batsmen will probably set
their stall out to bat all day with no risks taken, and
attempt to put the game away. Precisely the
position that, pre-game, I had hoped *we'd* be
in, batting second! If you lose the toss its bad
luck, you try and overcome it.. but to hand the
opposition such a gift on winning the toss yourself
is just silly!
Sadiq [ pity Rohit isnt here either ] Yusuf
yeskay
Packed with a lot of reverse woofs and excuses.
Karnataka batting sorely misses Dravid and is quite inexperienced for
the almost international attack - Powar, Agarkar, Salvi and the tyro.
233 is pretty good score for the pitch and even a 100 run lead,
Karnataka
will look to chase 250+. I am sure Mumbai will be looking confident
after looking at their score and the pitch.
Cricketwallah
yeskay wrote:
>
>
> Packed with a lot of reverse woofs and excuses.
> Karnataka batting sorely misses Dravid and is quite inexperienced for
> the almost international attack - Powar, Agarkar, Salvi and the tyro.
> 233 is pretty good score for the pitch and even a 100 run lead,
I dont know if 233 is a good score for any pitch, really -
no matter what its like. I still think we shouldnt have batted
first, silly move... though, after the way our top-order
batted yesterday afternoon, maybe we wouldnt have batted
any better if we batted second anyway! Quite terrible
performance by our batting this whole game so far. I
hope they learn from this for next year at least - just put in
2 "defensive" openers, then have Rahane at #3 and Jaffer
at #4 and go from there (it would help to be a little flexible
and have 6 batsmen in the team on a pitch like this too -
its barely worth having 1 spinner for this game, leave alone
2 spinners! Playing Prashant Naik as the 6th batsmen
would have helped a whole heck of a lot in this game, instead
of sticking to the 3-pace-2-spin method).
Karnataka's batting *is* relatively inexperienced.. which is
also why I would have wanted to put them in on the freshest
pitch, the first morning, actually. Still, our bowlers did a
good job yesterday - far better than hoped for. And
Karnataka's batsmen of course faltered a bit, they
probably got caught a bit between attacking and defending.
Avishkar Salvi especially bowled exactly the right way
for a pitch like this - line, bounce, and giving up nothing
unless they attacked (his first 5 overs were all maidens,
he had 5-5-0-2!) It didnt help that Uthappa and Pandey,
the two attacking Karnataka batsmen that keep the score
rate humming while the others build around them, both
happened to fail in the first innings (and the third,
Stuart Binny, started off attacking but then got runout
in a mixup).
> Karnataka
> will look to chase 250+. I am sure Mumbai will be looking confident
> after looking at their score and the pitch.
I would have been relatively confident if the Bombay batting
had actually done something yesterday afternoon - they just
had to bat out the rest of the day after their bowlers handed
them the advantage, if they lost about 2 wickets yesterday
afternoon (no matter what they scored), they would have
been sitting pretty IMHO. Instead they collapsed in a heap
and handed it right back to Karnataka. And they did it
playing the "wrong" way - they attacked, when there was
no need to! Jaffer chased and smashed 2 fours in the first
over of the innings outside off.. then chased another wide
one in the 2nd over and was caught. Rahane came in, and
promptly smacked a four first ball.. and then chased another
short one well outside off and was caught too! The need of
the hour, IMHO, was to play sensibly, see off the new ball,
expand on the lead.. and Bombay was 18/2 off 2 overs!
Unbelievable batting.
The thing with the Gangotri Glades pitch all year has been
that it slows with time - as Mohan said after the quarters
win. This one may be a bit grassier, but its still going to
happen as the game progresses. Mithun himself said
the same thing yesterday evening - he said that the pitch should
ease out on Day Three, and he thinks they have a great
chance if they restrict the target to 300 or so. And that
is *very* far away - even that "attainable" 4th inning target
that Mithun speaks of is a 100 runs away, with 2 fresh
pacemen to face in the helpful morning conditions with
basically no batsmen to do it. (The only time Bombay got
runs even yesterday was the last hour or so - when Mithun
and Vinay were tired from their first spells, and 50+ were
safely added in the last hour by Bombay).
Its been a pretty good game, anyway, and decently
supported too apparently. I wish theyd do a better job with
this kind of stuff though - just schedule things better, plan
it better. This game with Dravid and Tendulkar playing
(and Zaheer and Rohit too actually), would have been so
much more fun, and would have had so much of a higher
profile. Oh well.
Sadiq [ at least our U19ers from Bombay made runs yesterday] Yusuf
R Bharat Rao
> The thing with the Gangotri Glades pitch all year has been
> that it slows with time - as Mohan said after the quarters
> win. This one may be a bit grassier, but its still going to
> happen as the game progresses. Mithun himself said
> the same thing yesterday evening - he said that the pitch should
> ease out on Day Three, and he thinks they have a great
> chance if they restrict the target to 300 or so. And that
> is *very* far away - even that "attainable" 4th inning target
> that Mithun speaks of is a 100 runs away, with 2 fresh
> pacemen to face in the helpful morning conditions with
You are kidding right? Even at a 250 target, I would say Mumbai would
be hugely favored. Chasing 300 is virtually no chance for Karnataka,
especially without Dravid...
I'm with you regarding the BCCI. I don't understand why they wouldn't
let Dravid simply fly in on the night of the 15th. There is NO time
zone difference, and surely Dravid would be much better served by
playing a Ranji final rather than training with the team. A
legitimate concern would be if they thought he would risk injury by
playing a 5-day game with just one day's break, followed by another 5-
dayer with 2 days' break -- which is a fair point -- but then simply
move the final up a day or two. And maybe Sachin would play as
well...
If the BCCI gives such scant importance to the domestics, how can they
expect the public to care?
Bharat
Mohan
<snip>
> The thing with the Gangotri Glades pitch all year has been
> that it slows with time - as Mohan said after the quarters
> win. This one may be a bit grassier, but its still going to
> happen as the game progresses. Mithun himself said
> the same thing yesterday evening - he said that the pitch should
> ease out on Day Three, and he thinks they have a great
> chance if they restrict the target to 300 or so. And that
> is *very* far away - even that "attainable" 4th inning target
> that Mithun speaks of is a 100 runs away, with 2 fresh
> pacemen to face in the helpful morning conditions with
> basically no batsmen to do it. (The only time Bombay got
> runs even yesterday was the last hour or so - when Mithun
> and Vinay were tired from their first spells, and 50+ were
> safely added in the last hour by Bombay).
Yes, all we need is 2-3 wickets to start the day. With the bowlers
fresh and early morning dew, that shouldn't be hard. And then, if we
can restrict the target to around 300 or even 350, start batting
around lunch with the pitch having settled down and the sun beating
down on it and if Uthappa gets going, who knows...
> Its been a pretty good game, anyway, and decently
> supported too apparently.
Yes, very well supported for a domestic game. I was going through the
CI commentary and the number of comments is amazing for a Ranji match
(and very colourful comments too, with references to Vada pav, Masala
Dose, by-two coffee, Tipu Sultan, Chamundi Hills, you name it :-)
Mohan [the reason for D2 collapse is that I didn't post predicting an
easy win for Karnataka after D1]
Uday Rajan
> And then, if we
> can restrict the target to around 300 or even 350, start batting
> around lunch with the pitch having settled down and the sun beating
> down on it and if Uthappa gets going, who knows...
Mumbai made it past the 250-target mark, but have just lost a couple
of wickets, so it looks like the eventual target will be around 270 or
so. Should make for a good match. Karnataka by 5 wickets, I think.
R Bharat Rao
All this woofing had its desired effect, and Mumbai cruised to a 337
run lead as it replicated its first inning total. And as a result,
Karnatake will have to exceed -- by some 100 runs -- the highest score
so far in the final, and its own first innings effort by 200 runs.
I'm with Don here -- this is a repeat of Sydney, except Karnataka will
struggle to get within 135 runs, let alone 35 runs, of the target.
Dosa -- er Uthappa -- drops himself down the order and it makes no
difference as he falls for single digits again.
Mumbai to win by over 120 runs, well before tea.
Bharat
Mohan
> Mumbai to win by over 120 runs, well before tea.
Karnataka to win by 3 wickets. Pandey 165, Satish 75, Binny 30, Vinay
Kumar 35*
Mohan
R Bharat Rao
Is this some sort of reverse-Sadiq-woof that I'm not understanding
here?
Bharat
Mohan
No, sir :-) I have been predicting a Karnataka win all season long and
it has worked well so far. So why stop now?
Mohan
yeskay
Lot of comments from Bonda guys on CI . Sakhath Match Magaa. It has
lived up to that bill till now. Hoping for a closer finish, odds are
on Mumbai
to win handily. Uthappa got a taththi yet again. The things that can
go for Karnataka are that the pitch has slowed down, home advantage
and Joshi, Binny and Vinay can stick around. I am predicting Mumbai
win by 50-60 runs.
vijay...@my-deja.com
Karnataka are toast. Was decided when they were
shot out for 130 in I1. Anything Bombay did after that
was only bonus for Bombay. Do not be fooled by the
Manish Pandey show that is on right now. Won't last
long.
Vijay
Cricketwallah
R Bharat Rao wrote:
> On Jan 12, 6:11 pm, Cricketwallah <cricketwal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You are kidding right? Even at a 250 target, I would say Mumbai would
> be hugely favored. Chasing 300 is virtually no chance for Karnataka,
> especially without Dravid...
>
Not on this pitch - its slowed and eased out as they days
progress (as pretty much all Indian pitches that are left
green seem to do, actually). Even yesterday Mithun quite
confidently said Karnataka would chase down 300, and
theyve echoed those sentiments yesterday evening. The
only wickets Bombay got were with the new ball.. once
it got a little older, the batsmen were fine (this is why
I dont think it was *that* bad a decision for Uthappa to
drop himself down the order - it backfired, but I can see
why he did it, I think Jaffer should have done the same,
myself). Even yesterday the Bombay lower-order
survived quite well - no wickets for the first hour with
a fresh Mithun and Vinay bowling, before Nayar stupidly
decided to try and hit a six off the spinner and holed out
(to a tremendous catch, apparently, but still a silly move -
they were batting fine with singles and twos until then,
and there was no time pressure obviously). Same with
Agarkar - trying to hit everything, 4 off 3 balls eventually
IIRC. If you bat sensibly on this pitch now you can do
it easily enough (as our 9th wicket pair showed with
a 60+ run stand).
> I'm with you regarding the BCCI. I don't understand why they wouldn't
> let Dravid simply fly in on the night of the 15th. There is NO time
> zone difference, and surely Dravid would be much better served by
> playing a Ranji final rather than training with the team. A
> legitimate concern would be if they thought he would risk injury by
> playing a 5-day game with just one day's break, followed by another 5-
> dayer with 2 days' break -- which is a fair point -- but then simply
> move the final up a day or two. And maybe Sachin would play as
> well...
>
> If the BCCI gives such scant importance to the domestics, how can they
> expect the public to care?
>
Heck, if the pitch was going to be green, it was unlikely the
game was going to go into a 5th day anyway :-) So Dravid
could have played and then flown in, no problem!
Actually, Bombay's best chance of winning this Ranji Trophy
might depend on the weather IMHO :-) That is, if it rains all
day today, Day 4, not a ball bowled, leaving only the 5th day
of play. Because, on the 15th, there is apparently a solar
eclipse from 11am to 3pm! An 85% solar eclipse, they
say - so its likely no play may be possible in that time
period! In which case, of course, the team that has the
first innings lead ought to be declared the winner :-)
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_karnataka-cricket-team-wants-a-sun-day-on-friday_1334157
Sadiq [ Samant dropped the Ranji Trophy yesterday? ] Yusuf
> Bharat
Cricketwallah
yeskay wrote:
> On Jan 13, 7:36 am, Mohan <dpuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 13, 5:25 pm, R Bharat Rao <rao.bha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 13, 6:36 am, Mohan <dpuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jan 13, 4:12 pm, R Bharat Rao <rao.bha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Mumbai to win by over 120 runs, well before tea.
> >
> > > > Karnataka to win by 3 wickets. Pandey 165, Satish 75, Binny 30, Vinay
> > > > Kumar 35*
> >
>
>
> Lot of comments from Bonda guys on CI . Sakhath Match Magaa. It has
Not just on CI, but at the ground too obviously :-) Its been a
quite boisterous crowd as well, by all accounts - very vocal
and into the match; on D2 morning there was apparently
much "mock appealing" going on in the crowd every time
one of the frenzied Bombay appeals in the middle was
turned down :-) (one of the Bombay papers said that
afer a few wickets tumbled the mock appealing "faded into
relieved silence" every time an appeal was turned down
later on :-) A true away-game in that respect, as it always
should be in the Ranji Trophy - this used to be the case
when big crowds turned up to watch domestics in the
old days too, and its nice to see it again.
> lived up to that bill till now. Hoping for a closer finish, odds are
> on Mumbai
> to win handily. Uthappa got a taththi yet again. The things that can
> go for Karnataka are that the pitch has slowed down, home advantage
> and Joshi, Binny and Vinay can stick around. I am predicting Mumbai
> win by 50-60 runs.
The pitch has eased up a lot, and Ganesh and Pandey
are taking it quite easily. The trophy was probably dropped
by Vinayak Samant for Bombay yesterday evening - a
sitter off Pandey, if he had caught that it would have been
4-down with still 6-7 overs left, and a new batsman coming
in at that difficult time might well have fallen as well. But
with that crucial drop the title may have slipped away too.
There is a fair bit of batting to come - this pair is well
set, Verma next in, and as you say Vinay, Binny and
Joshi (Joshi once had 500+ in a season, and almost
got a test century for India - and he will be batting #9!
Long lineup).
The more things change in Indian cricket, the more they
remain the same. Pitches that are greentops and helpful
to pacemen have always eased up in India as the game
progressed, making it easier to bat as it went on (once
again showing the mistake Bombay made in deciding
to bat first - a double-whammy,really). No better example
of this can be found than the one 72 long years ago (a
*very* long 72 years for Hyderabad, who have had only
1 other occasion to celebrate in all this time)...
The WZ team with the former India opener and the former
India paceman/allrounder batted first. The southie
team was bowled out for 113 in their first innings. The
lower-order came to the party and set up a 300+
last-innings chase (by far the highest score of the
game). And with 3 down earlyish, the #5 batsman
scored a big unbeaten century to lead the SZ team
to the title victory (was he too dropped by the keeper
along the way? One wonders :-) This would imply
Pandey 170-odd* as Karnataka win (given the current
situation), I think? :-)
A very rough couple of days for Bombay cricket. The
Bombay U19 team just had a heart-breaker too... they
played the old rivals Delhi in the semis without 4
stars (away playing for India U19 - with the stars they
had beaten Delhi U19 in the league stage). Bombay
U19 batted first, and put up 450+ for 7 declared, a
quite outstanding effort. But the game was rain-affected
badly, and after losing a couple of early wickets Delhi
got 140/2 in reply... and Delhi U19 was declared the
winner on run-rate and got through to the finals! Very
rough way to lose a 4-day game, and a national
semifinal at that - get 450 declared, and lose on run-rate
with the opposition still 300+ runs away from your score!
So despite some pretty good performances, probably
no silverware for Bombay at all this cricketing season
Sadiq [ who had hopes for the U19 outfit ] Yusuf
yeskay
Bah, you are saying all this only to come tommorow and praise
how Mumbai won against all odds. Here's another scorecard
that's a couple of seasons ago, happened on the same pitch
and Karnataka lost to Saurashtra by 3 runs. This match is
very similar that - look at the two 245s scored by Sau in each
innings. Kar scored 226 and 261 chasing 265. Here Mumbai scored
233 and 234 here. I don't think Karnataka can go as close to 338.
I am thinking more like 270 odd all out.
Cricketwallah
R Bharat Rao wrote:
> run lead as it replicated its first inning total. And as a result,
> Karnatake will have to exceed -- by some 100 runs -- the highest score
> so far in the final, and its own first innings effort by 200 runs.
> I'm with Don here -- this is a repeat of Sydney, except Karnataka will
> struggle to get within 135 runs, let alone 35 runs, of the target.
>
BTW, forgetting about this match for a second - this above
comes down to our old discussion, no? :-) That is, I think
Indian batsmen in general dont really have much of a
"pressure situation due to runs chased" problem much at
all, at any level, anymore - I think our batsmen struggle only
in "difficult conditions" instead. Maybe it has to do with so
much OD cricket growing up or whatever, just the "chase"
thing isnt IMHO a problem - even just a first-innings chase
with lots of runs (600+) on the board.. they usually IMHO
handle that just fine (ref Sehwag/Dravid in Pakistan etc -
was never a hint of a problem, there was score pressure
but the conditions were easy, didnt bother them a whit).
I think this is true at every level - even at Ranjis we often
see the "highest score of the match" made in 4th innings
etc, over the past few years. A couple years ago Venugopal
Rao et al made 500+ in a successful 4th innings chase
against England-A - the conditions were easy, England-A
had crappy spinners, by far the highest score of the
match was no problem for Indian batsmen in that situation.
This current Ranji final is a little like the Bombay-Bengal
final from a couple years ago - again, ball doing a lot for
pacemen the first couple days, neither side doing much as
a result (Jaffer/Tendulkar tons, nobody else doing anything
for Bombay; Bengal getting 130-odd allout first innings IIRC)
But when the conditions got easier batting last, chasing
like 500-odd... Bengal did brilliantly, and even had a chance
to win (chasing a monster score) before Zaheer had a big
effort and stopped them.
What still gets to Indian batsmen, IMHO, is conditions -
when conditions favour bowling (bounce, seam, swing,
even sometimes big-spin), I think Indian batsmen in
general struggle a fair bit, still. Mostly because of
technique-issues IMHO. The first 2 days in this latest
game were an example as well - the seamers gave
both batting sides top order hell when the ball was
actually doing something due to the conditions.
Sadiq [ bouncy/seamy still best way to beat India ] Yusuf
> Bharat
Ram
You are right! Didnt last long. Couldnt even get through to lunch.
> Vijay
Uday Rajan
> Karnataka to win by 3 wickets. Pandey 165, Satish 75, Binny 30, Vinay
> Kumar 35*
Pandey just got out for 144, but Karnataka still on track to win by 5
wickets. They've earned it. Wonderful fightback in the 4th innings.
Uday Rajan
> Bombay U19 team just had a heart-breaker too... they
> played the old rivals Delhi in the semis without 4
> stars (away playing for India U19 - with the stars they
> had beaten Delhi U19 in the league stage). Bombay
> U19 batted first, and put up 450+ for 7 declared, a
> quite outstanding effort. But the game was rain-affected
> badly, and after losing a couple of early wickets Delhi
> got 140/2 in reply... and Delhi U19 was declared the
> winner on run-rate and got through to the finals!
This is a masterstroke, to use the run-rate to decide a 4-day match. I
would not have credited even the BCCI with that brilliance. Besides,
that'll teach Bombay. What were they thinking, declaring before
they've put up 750.
Ravi
What an innings by Pandey. Good temperament, stylish and attacking
batsman. The National Selectors were watching - the question is how
and when will Pandey get a chance in the national team given the
batting bench India has.
Karnataka have fought back well.
Ravi
SultanOfSwing
Wrong call. Karnataka lost by 6 runs in a real thriller. Actually,
Pandey's
and Satish's wickets falling in quick succession was the turning
point of the
match. Karnataka came frightfully close to winning this final
though Mumbai
held their nerve and got wickets at crucial alternatives.
vijay...@my-deja.com
Am I glad to be wrong on this one! What a
thriller it has turned out to be. Kudos to
Bombay on their win.
I think Pandey has really announced himself
on the national stage. BUT, and this is a big
but, he should not be rushed into the national
side ahead of the likes of Badri and Pujara
who have been doing this for several seasons
now. The National selectors who were watching
please take note.
On a similar note, who from the Ranji finalists
has earned the right to be in the Test team?
or even warm the bench? Who would you drop
from the current team to accommodate which
challenger?
Vijay
yeskay
And Karnataka lost this one by 6 runs. What a coincidence.
Uday Rajan
> Wrong call. Karnataka lost by 6 runs in a real thriller. Actually,
> Pandey's
> and Satish's wickets falling in quick succession was the turning
> point of the
> match. Karnataka came frightfully close to winning this final
> though Mumbai
> held their nerve and got wickets at crucial alternatives.
Yes, it went down to the wire. Reminds me of the final in 1990-91 or
thereabouts, in which Haryana beat Bombay by something like 2 runs.
Bombay lost a few quick wickets, then Vengsarkar and Tendulkar had a
large stand, and then more wickets fell in a heap, leaving Vengsarkar
stranded. Kapil had a 5-fer or something like that, IIRC.
Bad luck, Karnataka, and well played.
Uday Rajan
Yes, he's done very well this season, and almost saw Karnataka through
in that fourth innings. Since there is no real spot on the Test team
right now, we'll have time to watch him next season before any calls
are made.
> On a similar note, who from the Ranji finalists
> has earned the right to be in the Test team?
> or even warm the bench?
No one, I'd say. It was more of a team effort than anything else.
Rahane has done well for a couple of seasons now, but disappointed in
the final again. He's closest, but there are several players ahead of
him for a middle-order slot.
Mohan
You don't have to drop anyone to accommodate a challenger. Or at
least, not drop in the traditional sense. The only policy that makes
sense for the current scenario in India is the one I suggested a few
days back - to have a pool of 30-35 players and keep rotating them.
But whatever they do, I hope they don't steal Mithun and Pandey for
the national team next year. We need them here for the Ranji's.
Mohan
vijay...@my-deja.com
I was thinking in bowling terms...Vinay Kumar?
Kulkarni? Salvi? or Mithun? Does any of them
deserve to pip Sreesanth/Ishant into the Test
side or even the reserves?
Vijay
vijay...@my-deja.com
The Haryana-Bombay game was the final of the 90-91 season.
There is something wrong with that scorecard...
The FOW for I4 just does not make sense unless
DBV retired hurt and came back later. The 4th
wicket partnership was worth 134, and that
could only have been Manjrekar (19) and
DBV (139*). Doesn't make sense. And the 5th
wicket stand of 81 between SRT (96) and DBV
is just not possible. I thought that the
168 is a typo for 68. 181 runs for the 5th
wicket with SRT getting 96 sounds far more
plausible. But then, the 6th wicket stand
could not have been 15 runs with Kambli
scoring 45.
Kapil did not get a 5-fer, by the way. He
barely did anything of note in the match.
On paper, it should never have been that
close - Bombay was full of stars. I think
9 of the XI played for India at some time
or the other. Haryana had only Kapil, Jadeja
and Chetan Sharma of whom only Chetan Sharma
made a significant contribution - with the
bat! Kapil might have had a hand in the final
runout which sealed the game.
Vijay
Jayen
deja.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 7:54 am, Uday Rajan <udayra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 5:16 am, SultanOfSwing <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > > Wrong call. Karnataka lost by 6 runs in a real thriller.
> > > Actually, Pandey's and Satish's wickets falling in quick
> > > succession was the turning point of the match. Karnataka
> > > came frightfully close to winning this final though Mumbai
> > > held their nerve and got wickets at crucial alternatives.
>
> > Yes, it went down to the wire. Reminds me of the final in 1990-91
> > or thereabouts, in which Haryana beat Bombay by something like 2
> > runs. Bombay lost a few quick wickets, then Vengsarkar and
> > Tendulkar had a large stand, and then more wickets fell in a
> > heap, leaving Vengsarkar stranded. Kapil had a 5-fer or
> > something like that, IIRC.
>
> > Bad luck, Karnataka, and well played.
>
> The Haryana-Bombay game was the final of the 90-91 season.
>
>
> There is something wrong with that scorecard...
> The FOW for I4 just does not make sense unless
> DBV retired hurt and came back later.
<snip>
This should answer some of your questions.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/331177.html
Regards,
Jayen
vijay...@my-deja.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
It does, Thank you.
Sanjay Patil did NOT bat at #3 in I4. As the
report states, he came in at #10, with only
Kuruvilla to follow. Yet another scorecard
correction that could be made at CI.
Vijay
cricd...@hotmail.com
> that'll teach Bombay. What were they thinking, declaring before
> they've put up 750.
Even that would not have helped. Say they'd made
750 at an SR of 100. Delhi would only have had
to face one ball before the rain came and score
2 off it in order to win.
Cricketwallah
Heh :-) Its really a strange rule - makes it very hard for the
team batting first, basically.
This game was sort of rain-affected for a while - but it was
also a decent pitch for batsmen I think. Bombay U19
batted first - so you pretty much have to put up 400+ to
try and get the lead. Early wicket, but with lots of time
lost, after 2 days it was only like 200-odd on the board
(with young Kautubh Pawar having hit a good vein of form
late in the season, putting up another ton)... finally
Bombay declared with 400-plus on D3, but it rained
anyway. They still had a day to bowl Delhi U19 out,
probably - but Delhi after losing a couple of wickets
put up 140/2 in 40+ overs (all that were possible on
the last day).
Not sure there would be a simple way to decide this
anyway - but RR seems the worst of all possible options,
really :-)
As it is, both semifinals turned out to be terrible - in the
other semis, Maharashtra walked off against Punjab U19
ni Mohali, protesting what they said was a dangerous
pitch (where they had 5 batsmen injured)... supposedly
loose soil, good length balls hit a few batsmen on the
head etc. So it'll be Delhi vs Punjab for the Cooch Behar
title. Not that anyone is paying attention, with the best
U19 players off playing the U19 World Cup that began
earlier today.
Sadiq [ 2 for Netravalkar, 2 for Jathar ] Yusuf
Ram
deja.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 1:04 am, Ram <ramakrishna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:44 am, "vijaykum...@my-deja.com" <vijaykum...@my-
>
> thriller it has turned out to be. Kudos to
> Bombay on their win.
>
> I think Pandey has really announced himself
> on the national stage. BUT, and this is a big
> but, he should not be rushed into the national
> side ahead of the likes of Badri and Pujara
> who have been doing this for several seasons
> now. The National selectors who were watching
> please take note.
>
> On a similar note, who from the Ranji finalists
> has earned the right to be in the Test team?
> or even warm the bench? Who would you drop
> from the current team to accommodate which
> challenger?
>
The only one I can think of is Vinay Kumar. The rest of them are
either 1 season wonders ( Pandey, Mithun) or will be trying to
displace people who are well settled ( Rahane).
Vinay has been consistent over a few seasons now but I get the feeling
that he will go down the path of Ranadeb Bose.
Today's DNA has an article from Vengsarkar who has talked about his XI
based on this year's Ranji performance and the list reads:
Ajinkya Rahane
Parthiv Patel (wk)
Rohit Sharma
Manish Pandey
Badrinath (c)
Ganesh Satish
Abhishek Nayar
Dhaval Kulkarni
Abhimanyu Mithun
Iqbal Abdulla
Piyush Chawla
In this list, 2 people ( Sharma and Badri) are the only ones already
actively warming the bench.
Cricketwallah
BTW, this rule is not just restricted to U19s - its a general BCCI
rule,
in force for all BCCI games presumably, even first-class ones!
This was made very clear yesterday in the Duleep Trophy quarters,
between East and Central. Played in Amritsar, with fog and rain
affecting all 4 days of the game.
38 overs bowled on D1 (CZ 150/3 with Raina a quickfire 98),
CZ 367/5 off 99 overs after D2, after D3 CZ 480/8 declared in
125 overs, East 64/1 in 31 overs.
The big mistake that EZ probably made was to bat too slowly
late on D3 - they were thus 64/1 at about 2/over (while CZ
had accelerated before declaring at 480/8, ended at 3.84/over).
So, going into the last day, it was 64/1 chasing 480... and there
was no play possible till a half hour after lunch! So, obviously,
no chance of East getting near 480.
But now Central had to get 9 wickets in about 2 sessions to try
and bowl East out...and East had to score quickly, to get over
3.84/over total run-rate if they wanted to go thru :-) Tewari got
102* off 123 balls, but because of the slow early scoring, even
at 200/6 East needed to keep scoring rapidly to increase their
run-rate. They added 54 off the next 8 overs, but Lahiri fell
(14 off 14), and their tail fell quickly trying to play shots (last
man 9 off 12, before holing out at longon apparently). Tewari
stayed notout, and East ended 290 allout.. they had raised
their run-rate to 3.70 by the end - not close enough, but had
also failed to survive the entire innings and so lost on first
innings lead :-)
It really is a pretty bad rule for fc cricket. If East hadnt batted
silly on D3 evening - even if they had score say 90/2 in 31 overs
that evening... they would have had to survive only 2 sessions
and score at about 4/over to win the game. Oh well :-)
Semifinals coming up in a couple of days - good games too,
North vs West, and South vs Central.
Sadiq [ domestics still have a ways to go this season ] Yusuf