Bart King
Georgie
cricketer? I've tried to flesh out his article on Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King), but would like to do so more.
Are there any other printed sources that provide more information on
this man? George Stants
Bob Dubery
Georgie wrote:
There's a very good article about King in The Picador Book Of Cricket
(edited by Ramachandra Guha).
There was some discussion about King on RSC a while back. To see some
facts culled from the above mentioned book, though by no means the
entire article, see http://tinyurl.com/39hl4q
Georgie
it on ILL). George Stants
srul...@mweb.co.za
> Georgie wrote:
> > Can anyone provide further information on this greatest of American
> > cricketer? I've tried to flesh out his article on Wikipedia
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King), but would like to do so more.
> > Are there any other printed sources that provide more information on
> > this man? George Stants
>
> There's a very good article about King in The Picador Book Of Cricket
> (edited by Ramachandra Guha).
That article comes from Ralph Barker's book "Ten Great Bowlers", which
I own. I'm off on a cricket tour until Tuesday, so I'll provide a few
useful snippets from it when I get back.
Cheers, all
John Hall
Have you looked at his Wisden obituary, available online here:
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/234625.html
Unfortunately it's not very long.
--
John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)
Georgie
information here or mail it to me? George
On Jan 17, 12:42 pm, John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <1169046574.841009.164...@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Georgie <gsta...@gmail.com> writes:
> >Can anyone provide further information on this greatest of American
> >cricketer? I've tried to flesh out his article on Wikipedia
> >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King), but would like to do so more.
> >Are there any other printed sources that provide more information on
> >this man? George StantsHave you looked at his Wisden obituary, available online here:
John Hall
Georgie <gst...@gmail.com> writes:
>Thanks, I can't seem to access this page. Can someone post the
>information here or mail it to me? George
That's odd. Try it with the "content-uk" replaced with "www" (which
should take you to the same page), ie:
http://www.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/234625.html
sdavmor
> In article <1169133159....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Georgie <gst...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Thanks, I can't seem to access this page. Can someone post the
>> information here or mail it to me? George
>
> That's odd. Try it with the "content-uk" replaced with "www" (which
> should take you to the same page), ie:
>
> http://www.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/234625.html
Very cool obituary. One day perhaps American cricket will scale those
heights again.
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<nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1169133159....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Georgie <gst...@gmail.com> writes:
>>Thanks, I can't seem to access this page. Can someone post the
>>information here or mail it to me? George
>
>That's odd. Try it with the "content-uk" replaced with "www" (which
>should take you to the same page), ie:
>
>http://www.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/234625.html
Registration required.
dodo
KING, JOHN BARTON, who died in a Philadelphia nursing home on October
17, aged 92, was beyond question the greatest all-round cricketer
produced by America. When he toured England with The Philadelphians in
1897, 1903 and 1908, Sir Pelham Warner described him as one of the
finest bowlers of all time. Very fast and powerfully built, King made
the ball swerve late from leg, demonstrating that what could be done
with the ball by a pitcher at baseball, at which he was expert, could
also be achieved with a ball half an ounce heavier. In 1897 he took 72
wickets, average 24.20. and hit 441 runs, average 20.10. His best
analysis that season was seven wickets for 13 runs at Hove where, on a
good pitch, he bowled K. S. Ranjitsinhji first ball for 0 and Sussex
were disposed of for 46. Six years later "Bart" King dismissed 93
batsmen for 14.91 runs each and scored 653 runs, average 28.89. At the
Oval, where the Philadelphians defeated Surrey by 110 runs, he
distinguished himself by scoring 98 and 113 not out and taking six
wickets. Against Lancashire at Old Trafford, he followed an analysis of
five wickets for 46 in the first innings by sending back nine men in
the second--eight of them bowled--for 62. the remaining batsman being
run out. In 1908 his record was 87 wickets in first-class games for
11.01 runs each, the best average in England that year, and he scored
290 runs, average 16.11. When Kent made a short tour of America in
1903, King played innings of 39 and 41 for Philadelphia against them
and in the first county innings took seven wickets for 39 runs. He
played eleven times for the U.S.A. against Canada from 1892, rarely
being on the losing side, and in 1902, 1904, 1908 and 1911 held the
Childs Cups for the best batting and bowling in Philadelphia
cricket.--J.I.M.
Georgie
On Jan 18, 8:30 pm, "dodo" <dodo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Georgie wrote:
> > Thanks, I can't seem to access this page. Can someone post the
> > information here or mail it to me? George
>
> > On Jan 17, 12:42 pm, John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <1169046574.841009.164...@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Georgie <gsta...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >Can anyone provide further information on this greatest of American
> > > >cricketer? I've tried to flesh out his article on Wikipedia
> > > >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King), but would like to do so more.
> > > >Are there any other printed sources that provide more information on
> > > >this man? George StantsHave you looked at his Wisden obituary, available online here:
>
> > >http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/234625.html
>
> > > Unfortunately it's not very long.
> > > --
> > > John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
> > > Abducted by a French Marquis!
> > > Though loss of honour was a wrench
> > > Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)KING, JOHN BARTON, who died in a Philadelphia nursing home on October
Great. Thanks. George
John Hall
Perhaps I'm registered then, though I don't remember doing so. But then
nowadays I can barely remember my own name. :) I believe that
registration is free, so given the amount of stuff from Wisden that's
available on the site it might be worth doing.
Dave
>Registration required.Perhaps I'm registered then, though I don't remember doing so. But then
> nowadays I can barely remember my own name. :) I believe that
> registration is free, so given the amount of stuff from Wisden that's
> available on the site it might be worth doing.
> --
> John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Wisden also has a report on the Philadelphians' tour of England in
1897. It can be found at
<http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/150157.html>
and the writers do not think much of anyone aside from King.
--dave--
srul...@mweb.co.za
Okay, I'm back. What would you like to know?
Georgie
Anything and everything. As I said, I'm trying to improve this
wikipedia article: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King). Any help
is appreciated. George
srul...@mweb.co.za
As much as I would like to post the entire 27-page article here, I
don't think that that would be at all legal. How about I email a few
pages from it to you?
Georgie
Copyright...schmopyright. Seriously, though, any information you can
send me would be great to hold me over until I find a library that
carries it through ILL. George
Ron Knight
I note the Wikipedia article has several footnotes referring to his
obituary in the Cricket Quarterly. If you would like to see that
obituary it is at
http://www.haverford.edu/library/cricket/site_update/famous_King.htm.
The C.C. Morris Cricket Library at Haverford College in Pennsylvania
has an interesting site covering the glory days of Philadelphia
cricket. It might be that there is more about Bart King there, but
this is all I found on a quick glance.
And if you're ever in Philadelphia (more specifically, Haverford), I
highly recommend a cricketing pilgrimage to the only U.S. college with
a varsity cricket team, the historic cricket field there and the C.C.
Morris museum and library. It would probably be good to use the
contacts on the website to make sure you will be there during opening
hours.
Take it easy,
Ron Knight
sdavmor
Haverford has a very informative website. I understand from a friend
who visited the college a few years ago that they have a giant
collection of cricket memorabilia therein the museum. "To rival
Lord's" IIRC. A reminder that once upon a time cricket was a very
popular game in the states (admittedly that would be amongst the
upper-crust monied part of American society).
Dave
> Haverford has a very informative website. I understand from a friend
> who visited the college a few years ago that they have a giant
> collection of cricket memorabilia therein the museum. "To rival
> Lord's" IIRC. A reminder that once upon a time cricket was a very
> popular game in the states (admittedly that would be amongst the
> upper-crust monied part of American society).
> --
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Apparently, according to the Wikipedia article, King was not part of
that upper-crust. In true American fashion he looks to have been part
of the cricket establishment based solely on his skill.
--dave--
srul...@mweb.co.za
> On 17 Jan 2007 07:09:34 -0800, "Georgie" <gsta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Can anyone provide further information on this greatest of American
> >cricketer? I've tried to flesh out his article on Wikipedia
> >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King), but would like to do so more.
> >Are there any other printed sources that provide more information on
> >this man? George Stants
>
> I note the Wikipedia article has several footnotes referring to his
> obituary in the Cricket Quarterly. If you would like to see that
>
> The C.C. Morris Cricket Library at Haverford College in Pennsylvania
> has an interesting site covering the glory days of Philadelphia
> cricket. It might be that there is more about Bart King there, but
> this is all I found on a quick glance.
>
> And if you're ever in Philadelphia (more specifically, Haverford), I
> highly recommend a cricketing pilgrimage to the only U.S. college with
> a varsity cricket team, the historic cricket field there and the C.C.
> Morris museum and library. It would probably be good to use the
> contacts on the website to make sure you will be there during opening
> hours.
Interesting. Thanks for that.
srul...@mweb.co.za
> On Jan 23, 7:47 am, sruly...@mweb.co.za wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22, 9:33 pm, "Georgie" <gsta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Anything and everything. As I said, I'm trying to improve this
> > > wikipedia article: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King). Any help
> > > is appreciated.
>
> > As much as I would like to post the entire 27-page article here, I
> > don't think that that would be at all legal. How about I email a few
> > pages from it to you?
I've done it, opening myself up to all sorts of "schmopyright"
lawsuits...
You now have two options, Georgie: (a) love me forever or, preferrably,
(b) return the favour by sending me something good from your library
about Test cricket in the Nineteenth Century, especially if it has
anything to do with the Ashes match of 1882. I do hope that I haven't
been too vague! :-)
Enjoy, mate
PS: I seem to recall that Denzil Batchelor wrote a short but enjoyable
piece about King in "The Book of Cricket". Keep a close eye on your
inbox.
PPS: Gosh, I really am in a generous mood today. It must have something
to do with this Valentine's Day looking like being the most promising
in years.
Ron Knight
wrote:
>Haverford has a very informative website. I understand from a friend
>who visited the college a few years ago that they have a giant
>collection of cricket memorabilia therein the museum. "To rival
>Lord's" IIRC. A reminder that once upon a time cricket was a very
>popular game in the states (admittedly that would be amongst the
>upper-crust monied part of American society).
I've never been to Lord's and wouldn't want to be part of any
hubristic comparisons. All I can say is that if you do get to visit
the Library and Museum you will be astounded at what has been hidden
away in this corner of the United States.
There are three old country clubs in the Philadelphia area whose names
still reflect their origins as cricket clubs: Philadelphia Cricket
Club, Merion Cricket Club and Germantown Cricket Club. They are
private clubs and I am sure that they, like most private country
clubs, cost a pretty penny for membership.
Although the clubs retained their names, cricket died out in them by
the 1920s at the latest, and they became pretty much indistinguishable
from other ritzy golf and tennis country clubs. More recently,
perhaps as a result of an infusion of members from overseas, these
clubs have revived cricket. All three have beautiful open fields that
are used for most of the year for lawn tennis, but for 6 weeks or so
each spring are devoted to cricket.
These three clubs, along with the Haverford College varsity cricket
team and the British Officers Cricket Club (a group of older blokes
who play on the Haverford College field), host the Philadelphia
International Cricket Festival, a charitable event, each May. Clubs
from all over the world participate in this event, and usually
somebody who knows somebody manages to get a retired world-class
cricketer to come and be the guest of honor. Last year the featured
guest was Richie Richardson, although there usually are a few other
big names who were invited once and enjoyed themselves so much they
continued to invite themselves in later years. Guests in previous
years have gone by names such as Hadlee, Nicholas, Sobers, Nash,
Kirsten, Trueman, Simons and Boucher. These usually bring autographed
cricket bats that are auctioned at the banquet for unbelievable sums
for charity, leading me to believe that there are indeed some of the
upper crust in attendance. However, none of the clubs are bashful
about bringing in ringers, based strictly on ability, and the teams
that participate from around the country and around the world are not
at all limited to the upper crust.
Sir Garfield Sobers is said to have compared the three country-club
grounds favorably to the top grounds of the world, and even allowing
for graciousness to one's hosts I wouldn't be surprised if he was
right; the grounds must be seen to be believed as a place for cricket
in America. The pitches are unfortunately temporary, either Flicx or
matting, but it is hard to imagine surpassing the grounds or the
historical setting.
Check out the Philadelphia International Cricket Festival's homepage
at http://www.cricketfestival.com/. You might even find a picture of
me umpiring somewhere there.
sdavmor
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:59:20 GMT, sdavmor <sda...@fakeemailaddy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Haverford has a very informative website. I understand from a friend
>> who visited the college a few years ago that they have a giant
>> collection of cricket memorabilia therein the museum. "To rival
>> Lord's" IIRC. A reminder that once upon a time cricket was a very
>> popular game in the states (admittedly that would be amongst the
>> upper-crust monied part of American society).
>
> I've never been to Lord's and wouldn't want to be part of any
> hubristic comparisons. All I can say is that if you do get to visit
> the Library and Museum you will be astounded at what has been hidden
> away in this corner of the United States.
I understand the museum there is quite large and is a treasure trove
of cricketing memorabilia.
The pavilions at Woodley Park in LA are not much, but the fields
themselves are fabulous, and the park setting in which they reside is
gorgeous.
> Check out the Philadelphia International Cricket Festival's homepage
> at http://www.cricketfestival.com/. You might even find a picture of
> me umpiring somewhere there.
>
> Take it easy,
> Ron Knight
Thanks for the history lesson, Ron.
Georgie
For those that may be interested, the Bart King article on Wikipedia
has been greatly improved over the last several weeks. You can take a
look at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King> to see how it's
coming along. Truly an American treasure. George
sdavmor
The Bart King Wiki has come on a lot since I last saw it. Excellent
reading.