Your Test and ODO team of the 2000s
Crapats (TM)
the 2000s. My picks so far:
Test Team
1. Gautam Gambhir
2. Graham Smith
3.
4. Mike Hussey
5. A.B De Villiers
6. Michael Clarke
7. M.S. Dhoni
8.
9. Mitchel Johnson
10. Shane Bond
11.
ODO Team
1. Chris Gayle
2.
3.
4.
5. Michael Clarke
6. M.S. Dhoni
7. Daniel Vettori
8.
9. Kyle Mills
10. Shane Bond
11. Ajantha Mendis
I've run out of time, I'm going out shortly. I'll fill out the
remainder later on.
skp
Just off the cuff....Sanga and KP must surely be in the test team.
Although I suppose I should check Sanga's debut date before I start
chirping...heh. But if I am correct that he debuted in this decade,
AB probably has to make way (although I haven't done a detailed
comparison as between AB, Hussey and Clarke).
KP would also get into the ODO team. Mendis has played too little to
warrant inclusion particularly given that he now can't even find his
way into a Sri Lanka XI let alone a World oughties XI.
skp
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I forgot to add that Vettori played in the 90s; so, you have to axe
him from your ODO list (and it's surprising that you don't have him in
your test list if you thought he debuted in the oughties - unless I
suppose you thought he debuted in the nineties in tests and in the
oughties in ODOs).
Crapats (TM)
> I forgot to add that Vettori played in the 90s; so, you have to axe
> him from your ODO list (and it's surprising that you don't have him in
> your test list if you thought he debuted in the oughties - unless I
> suppose you thought he debuted in the nineties in tests and in the
> oughties in ODOs).
Indeed, you are right. WTF was I thinking?! Vettori debuted back in
the early 90s! LOL! He's been around forever.
Crapats (TM)
> Just off the cuff....Sanga and KP must surely be in the test team.
> Although I suppose I should check Sanga's debut date before I start
> chirping...heh. But if I am correct that he debuted in this decade,
> AB probably has to make way (although I haven't done a detailed
> comparison as between AB, Hussey and Clarke).
>
> KP would also get into the ODO team. Mendis has played too little to
> warrant inclusion particularly given that he now can't even find his
> way into a Sri Lanka XI let alone a World oughties XI.
Fair points. I honestly thought Sanga debuted in the late 90s but he
played his first test in July, 2000 hence making the cut. Yes, I'd
definitely have him in both my ODO and Test team fitting in nicely at
Number 3.
Crapats (TM)
Test Team
3. Kumara Sangakkara
4. Mike Hussey
5. A.B De Villiers
6. Michael Clarke
7. M.S. Dhoni
8.
9. Mitchel Johnson
10. Shane Bond
11.
ODO Team
1. Chris Gayle
2.
3. Kumara Sangakkara
4.
5. Michael Clarke
6. M.S. Dhoni
7.
8.
9. Kyle Mills
10. Shane Bond
11. Ajantha Mendis
Sangakkara added at Number 3 and Vettori omitted.
Crapats (TM)
> Although I suppose I should check Sanga's debut date before I start
> chirping...heh. But if I am correct that he debuted in this decade,
> AB probably has to make way (although I haven't done a detailed
> comparison as between AB, Hussey and Clarke).
No need to omit any of the others. Sangakkara would slot in perfectly
at number 3.
>
> KP would also get into the ODO team. Mendis has played too little to
> warrant inclusion particularly given that he now can't even find his
> way into a Sri Lanka XI let alone a World oughties XI.
Mendis definitely for the ODOs given there is a lack of any other
spinning options. I am really struggling for a decent opener to
partner Gayle in the ODOs.
skp
> On Dec 30, 11:32 am, skp <vikani...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just off the cuff....Sanga and KP must surely be in the test team.
> > Although I suppose I should check Sanga's debut date before I start
> > chirping...heh. But if I am correct that he debuted in this decade,
> > AB probably has to make way (although I haven't done a detailed
> > comparison as between AB, Hussey and Clarke).
>
> No need to omit any of the others. Sangakkara would slot in perfectly
> at number 3.
>
to be axed to make way for KP at No. 4.
>
>
> > KP would also get into the ODO team. Mendis has played too little to
> > warrant inclusion particularly given that he now can't even find his
> > way into a Sri Lanka XI let alone a World oughties XI.
>
> Mendis definitely for the ODOs given there is a lack of any other
> spinning options. I am really struggling for a decent opener to
> partner Gayle in the ODOs.
Gambhir? His average is just about equal to Gayle.
Will S
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> My special criteria in this case is the player must have debuted in
> the 2000s. My picks so far:
what a load of crap
Ponting and SRT have played the entire decade and yet are not eligible ?
We all know the reason behind your riduclous "must have debuted " and just
in case some dont then its because Muralia debuted in the 90's
dodo
where is sehwag? He should make your test team, and if you ignore a
game also the odi team.
His test debut was in 2001 against South Africa. In ODIs he had an
ineffectual game in 99 followed by more consistent appearance from
2000 on
Jellore
KS debuted in 2000...Tests that is.
Fran
Agree ... Sanga really ought to make that team. Pieterson too ... and
Sehwag of course ..
Fran
Luke Curtis
How about Trescothick - I was amazed to learn he only made his debut
in 2000, I thought it was much earlier than that...
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Uday Rajan
> > My special criteria in this case is the player must have debuted in
> > the 2000s. My picks so far:
>
> Test Team
>
> 1. Gautam Gambhir
> 2. Graham Smith
> 3. Kumara Sangakkara
> 4. Mike Hussey
> 5. A.B De Villiers
> 6. Michael Clarke
> 7. M.S. Dhoni
> 8.
> 9. Mitchel Johnson
> 10. Shane Bond
> 11.
I'd pick Sehwag and Pietersen in place of de Villiers and Clarke. Open
with Smith and Sehwag, with Gambhir, Sangakkara, Pietersen, and Hussey
to follow.
On the bowling, I like Zaheer Khan (Test debut in 2000), despite his
ordinary statistics. He's bowled with a lot of heart over the last few
years, with the occasional stellar performance, and has rarely let his
side down. The spin bowling is a bit weak, with Danish Kaneria perhaps
being the only viable option. Since the four bowlers are all a little
shaky, it may be worth putting in Clarke at 6 in place of Hussey,
since Clarke offers an extra bowling option (could be wrong, but my
impression is that Clarke's bowling is mildly superior to any of
Smith, Sehwag or Pietersen).
skp
Dale Steyn has to find a place too, no?
Uday Rajan
Yes, surely. Thought of Steyn while writing the earlier post, then
forgot to put him down. In place of Zaheer, I guess, or perhaps
Johnson.
alvey
I tried to select some teams but most of the options were snoringly boring.
alvey
skp
With the benefit of names included in the other posts so far in this
thread, my test team would therefore be:
1. Sehwag
2. Smith (captain)
3. Sangakkara
4. KP
5. Hussey
6. AB
7. Dhoni
8. Johnson
9. Steyn
10. Bond
11. Kaneria
Gambir unfortunately misses out.
Hm..no true all-rounder in the squad...
This squad likely gets spanked by a nineties debutants XI (team picked
off the cuff so I am sure that this could be improved)
Langer
Hayden
Ponting (captain)
Lara
Dravid
Kallis
Gilchrist
Warne
Donald
Murali
McGrath
Too many damn Aussies :-) Can we punt Langer and get someone else in
there?
Will S
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Dravid van open and lets put that little master in
SRT
Mohan
> "skp" <vikani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
He made his debut in 80s.
Mohan
Will S
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that long ago
If he plays next year that will make 4 decades that he has played in....dont
think anyone has done that before
Andrew Dunford
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There is no performance-based justification for including Bond in a Test
team of the decade - he simply didn't do enough. Would walk into a one-day
team but not Tests.
Andrew
Andrew Dunford
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Been done by several players, including Wilfred Rhodes who played Test
cricket in five decades.
Others with four decades are:
DB Close
FE Woolley
JB Hobbs
G Gunn
So Tendulkar would be the first non-English.
Andrew
Andrew B.
> "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
>
>
> > If he plays next year that will make 4 decades that he has played
> > in....dont think anyone has done that before
>
> Been done by several players, including Wilfred Rhodes who played Test
> cricket in five decades.
>
> Others with four decades are:
>
> DB Close
> FE Woolley
> JB Hobbs
> G Gunn
>
> So Tendulkar would be the first non-English.
>
> Andrew
Gunn only played in 3 decades: 1900s, 1910s and 1930s, missing the
1920s altogether.
The other Test cricketers to miss an entire decade are M Bisset and F
Mitchell (1900s), HL Jackson (1950s), Younis Ahmed (1970s) and AJ
Traicos (1980s).
George Headley missed playing in 4 decades by a fortnight; Bruce
Mitchell and Mushtaq Mohammad by less than a year.
Nirvanam
Test XI
Viru
Smith
Sangakkara
Pieterson
Sarwan
Clarke
Dhoni
Shaqib al Hasan
Asif
Steyn
Bond
ODI XI
Gayle
Smith
Sanga
Pieterson
Hussey
AB
Dhoni
Shaqib al Hasan
Malinga
Asif
Bond
Nirvanam
Asif. Oh and Shakib the spinner-all rounder...the first true world
class player from Bangles needs to find a place.
skp
I had thought of Sarwan but felt (and still do) that AB, Clarke and
Hussey rank higher.
What might work is having Sanga as the keeper, dropping Dhoni and
having 3 of AB, Sarwan, Clarke and Hussey in the squad. As I say, I
would pick the other 3 over Sarwan. All 3 field better than Sarwan to
boot.
Nirvanam
AB and Hussey have been good for the last 2-3 yrs...Hussey not the
last year though. The reason I chose Sarwan above these guys was
because he has been decent thru out the decade unlike AB and Hussey
who are recent "finds". Anyway to each his own...lol!
But Asif looks like a brain freeze. How can we have MJ ahead of Asif?
In fact I'd think Anderson should make it to the top 4 bowlers of the
decade (debuted). My ranking would be Bond, Asif-Steyn, Zak, Anderson,
Gul, MJ, Oh yeah! another brain freeze Zak deserves to be in one of
the teams for sure...Tests I'd think. But whom do we drop...based on
past form let's drop Bond...he's not gonna last the whole Test
anyway...lol!
So new Test XI:
Viru, Smith, Sanga, Sarwan, Clarke, AB, Dhoni, Shaqib, Zak, Steyn,
Asif
Now let's see if this team can beat the team of the 90s (assume Sachin
& Waq debuted in the 90s...they anyway debuted hardly 45 days from
1990)
Kirsten, Anwar, Lara, Sachin, Mark Waugh, Cairns, Moin Khan, Donald,
Waqar, Murali, McGrath
The 90s would crush the noughties but just in case the noughties get
thru the top order, the 90s have 4 out and out number 11s!
daftb
A couple other batsmen that may have been overlooked so far:
TT Samaraweera: 3938 runs @ 51.14
Younis Khan: 5260 runs @ 50.09
Just for comparison AB, Sarwan and Dhoni average 43.6, 41.7 and 40.3
respectively.
If we just looked at statistics the best batting order would be:
Sehwag, Gambhir, Sangakkara, Younis Khan, Pietersen, Samaraweera,
Hussey
skp
> On Dec 31, 2:35 am, skp <vikani...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30, 11:03 am, Nirvanam <viz.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think most of us here had a brain freeze on two names: Sarwan and
> > > Asif. Oh and Shakib the spinner-all rounder...the first true world
> > > class player from Bangles needs to find a place.
>
> > I had thought of Sarwan but felt (and still do) that AB, Clarke and
> > Hussey rank higher.
>
> > What might work is having Sanga as the keeper, dropping Dhoni and
> > having 3 of AB, Sarwan, Clarke and Hussey in the squad. As I say, I
> > would pick the other 3 over Sarwan. All 3 field better than Sarwan to
> > boot.
>
> AB and Hussey have been good for the last 2-3 yrs...Hussey not the
> last year though. The reason I chose Sarwan above these guys was
> because he has been decent thru out the decade unlike AB and Hussey
> who are recent "finds". Anyway to each his own...lol!
>
> But Asif looks like a brain freeze. How can we have MJ ahead of Asif?
Asif has only played 15 tests though.
> Now let's see if this team can beat the team of the 90s (assume Sachin
> & Waq debuted in the 90s...they anyway debuted hardly 45 days from
> 1990)
> Kirsten, Anwar, Lara, Sachin, Mark Waugh, Cairns, Moin Khan, Donald,
> Waqar, Murali, McGrath
>
> The 90s would crush the noughties but just in case the noughties get
> thru the top order, the 90s have 4 out and out number 11s!
No nineties team can be without Warne or Ponting. Also, why Moin
instead of Gilly?
My nineties team is decidedly better than yours even with your 2
eigthies draftees (though I say so myself :-)
arahim
> My special criteria in this case is the player must have debuted in
> the 2000s. My picks so far:
>
> Test Team
>
> 1. Gautam Gambhir
> 2. Graham Smith
> 3.
> 5. A.B De Villiers
> 6. Michael Clarke
> 7. M.S. Dhoni
> 8.
> 9. Mitchel Johnson
> 10. Shane Bond
> 11.
>
>
> 1. Chris Gayle
> 2.
> 3.
> 4.
> 5. Michael Clarke
> 6. M.S. Dhoni
> 7. Daniel Vettori
> 8.
> 9. Kyle Mills
> 10. Shane Bond
> 11. Ajantha Mendis
>
> I've run out of time, I'm going out shortly. I'll fill out the
> remainder later on.
As the starting decade for the 2Ts why not include the team for it?
Nirvanam
Well Warne, Kumble, and Murali all 3 made their debuts in the 90s but
if you had to go with just one spinner then it would be Murali. If you
could go with two spinners then it should be Warne and Murali outside
the sub-continent and Jumbo-Murali in the sub-continent.
Also Gilly should actually be included in the noughties with the same
logic that Sachin and Waq are included in nineties. So for the
noughties, Dhoni must make way for Gilly.
Ponting is unlucky because he did not take the world by storm in the
90s and he debuted in the mid 90s really to be considered for the
noughties (like Gilly). Sounds cruel but we need to draw the line
somewhere.
Crapats (TM)
wrote:
> There is no performance-based justification for including Bond in a Test
> team of the decade - he simply didn't do enough. Would walk into a one-day
> team but not Tests.
Yes Dungford (TM), a happy new year to you too. I know you've had it
out for Bond but he has had enough match winning performances in Tests
to warrant a place in the Team of the decade. Who would you choose
ahead of him?