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Don speaks the truth

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:24:39 AM12/30/09
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1. Bring back De Wet in place of Ntini. Ntini's days are over.

2. Drop Duminy..he has a weakness against short ball which has been
thoroughly exposed...replace him with Alviro Pietersen who impressed
me with his technique during the ODI series.

3. Drop Prince to the middle order and open with Smith and Amla, both
natural openers.

4. Play De Villiers at No.4(No.5 is too late for such a talented
batsman as him)...followed by Prince at No.5 and Pietersen at No.
6...Kallis should play one down

So the team will be (in batting order)

1. Smith
2. Amla
3. Kallis
4. De Villiers
5. Prince
6. Pietersen
7. Boucher
8. Harris
9. Morkel
10. Steyn
11. De Wet

This looks a much better team...also they should keep Parnell in the
reserves...he is a good find and can be a future test bowler for
them...also Botha should be backup spinner and play as a 12th or 13th
man...where is Justin Kemp btw? and Mckenzie should be in line for a
recall too...

Newlands usually is a fav. ground of the Safricans so lets see what
happens there....

Don [a South African team supporter]

jzfredricks

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:38:37 AM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 10:24 pm, Don speaks the truth <don200...@rediffmail.com>
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> 1. Bring back De Wet in place of Ntini. Ntini's days are over.

De Wet looked good, and Ntini looked crap. I think you're right here.
I expect Ntini to retire or "injure" himself within the next 24 hours.
Perhaps dancing on a table NYE.

> 2. Drop Duminy..he has a weakness against short ball which has been
> thoroughly exposed...replace him with Alviro Pietersen who impressed
> me with his technique during the ODI series.

pass on this suggestion

> 3. Drop Prince to the middle order and open with Smith and Amla, both
> natural openers.

/agree

> 4. Play De Villiers at No.4(No.5 is too late for such a talented
> batsman as him)...followed by Prince at No.5 and Pietersen at No.
> 6...Kallis should play one down

Kallis is SAf's LEADING RUN SCORER THIS SERIES.
Correction, the leading run scorer from BOTH teams.
Leave him where he is.

Just realised something... when you say "down one" it's a bit
different to how we say it here. We say "moving up the order" for a
promotion.

I'd leave Kallis at #4.

Re prince... Opening means more balls faced before Swann bowls :)
Swann vs Prince this series == 3 balls, 2 wickets.

Nirvanam

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:40:29 AM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 5:24 pm, Don speaks the truth <don200...@rediffmail.com>
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I'd prefer either the younger Morkel or Parnell over Morne Morkel.
Morne is not the kind of bowler who will rip thru a team...he is at
best a 3-4 wickets per match bowler which is what his brother also can
manage and Albie is a decent bat too. Parnell has the makings of a 5-
for kinda bowler. With Steyn and Parnell they have 2 5-for bowlers.
Haven't seen De Wet though...is he a 5-for types or Morne types?

Don speaks the truth

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:49:27 AM12/30/09
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> Haven't seen De Wet though...is he a 5-for types or Morne types?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dude, Albie Morkel is a very good ODI player but has yet to prove
himself in Tests.
And this is only as far as batting is concerned. And you saying he can
manage
3-4 wkts per match, where did he ever do that? He can hardly bowl a
few overs
with his medium pace and is a stock part time bowler at test level at
best. Morne is
the best 3rd seamer that Safrica have currently. Though i would like
Parnell to be
given a shot sometime soon.

Don

Andrew Dunford

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:04:52 AM12/30/09
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"Nirvanam" <viz.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Apart from the fact that Morne is the younger Morkel, the idea of using
Albie as a front-line Test bowler is quite scary.

Andrew

Mohan

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:47:38 AM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, jzfredricks <jzfredri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 4. Play De Villiers at No.4(No.5 is too late for such a talented
> > batsman as him)...followed by Prince at No.5 and Pietersen at No.
> > 6...Kallis should play one down
>
> Kallis is SAf's LEADING RUN SCORER THIS SERIES.
> Correction, the leading run scorer from BOTH teams.
> Leave him where he is.
>
> Just realised something... when you say "down one" it's a bit
> different to how we say it here. We say "moving up the order" for a
> promotion.

"one down" = walk in to bat when one wicket is down = No. 3

Mohan

Nirvanam

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:16:49 AM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 5:49 pm, Don speaks the truth <don200...@rediffmail.com>

Guess I over-estimated Albie's ability with the ball. But in that case
Parnell should get ahead of Morne.

Andy, I thought Morne was the older brother

Jellore

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:46:24 PM12/30/09
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Albie is older than Morne. The latter has been SA's best bowler by a
fair distance in T1 and 2.

Jellore

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:47:41 PM12/30/09
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Have you watched any of the series so far? Do you actually watch
cricket?

jzfredricks

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:48:27 PM12/30/09
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> "one down" = walk in to bat when one wicket is down = No. 3

Indeed.

"one down" != "down one"


Don speaks the truth

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:11:36 PM12/30/09
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> fair distance in T1 and 2.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah but that is coz he had competetion from a terribly out of form
(and at the dusk
of his career) Ntini, a debutant and a less than match-fit Steyn.
Steyn showed signs
of coming back to his true form when he got those two wickets off the
new ball on the 4th day.
Between De Wet and Morne, definitely De Wet seems more promising with
the new
ball from what i saw of him as he is skiddish with good pace. As
Nirvanam says, Morne
dosen't look like a bowler who will rip through the batting order like
a Steyn.

Don

Bob Dubery

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:03:36 AM12/31/09
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On Dec 30, 2:24 pm, Don speaks the truth <don200...@rediffmail.com>
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> 1. Bring back De Wet in place of Ntini. Ntini's days are over.
I don't think De Wet would have done a whole lot better in Durban.
SA's problem was that they bowled too short. Ntini, it is true, was
probably the SA bowler least likely to pitch it up, but I don't think
de Wet or a fit Steyn would have done much better. They had two
bowlers who could reasonably be expected to bowl at a length that
suite the conditions, Kallis and Morkel, and at 3/4 rat power Kallis
was no threat at all.

Would de Wet have done a whole lot better? Hmmmm.... OK, he probably
wouldn't have done any worse.

If you're going to play Alviro Pietersen then probably he should open
and then you can move Prince down the order if you want to axe Duminy.
Duminy is worth persisting with IMO, but not indefinitely.

De Villiers plays too loose too often. He shouldn't go in higher than
5 until he tightens up.

jzfredricks

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Dec 31, 2009, 8:29:55 AM12/31/09
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> Duminy is worth persisting with IMO, but not indefinitely.

He's scored 460 runs @ 38.33, with a HS of 166. I'd not consider that
to be "persisting with".

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