Brett Lee's beamer
Crapats (TM)
bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
Andrew Dunford
"Crapats (TM)" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>I don't think I ever want to believe that a bowler would deliberately
> bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
I don't understand the logic. Why does the frequency indicate intent as
opposed to some error of technique?
Andrew
Jack of all trades
"Crapats (TM)" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
for a little extra pace when the ball slipped his hand.
J
What was ponting whining about after the ball?
StraightDrive
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SreeSanth bowled just "ONE" beamer in international matches and was
accused and vilified that it was "deliberate" by the whole western media and
commentators.
Imagine if SreeSanth bowled as many beamers as the superior Aussie
Brett Lee. He would have been banned from cricket for LIFE.
ICC rules doesnt care if beamers are because of error of technique.
Should Brett Lee be banned from cricket for bowling so many
beamers ?
If not, why not ?
StraightDrive
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> "Crapats (TM)" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>>I don't think I ever want to believe that a bowler would deliberately
>> bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
> It does not indicate that he does it deliberately. He was probably pushing
> for a little extra pace when the ball slipped his hand.
None of the Aussie, brit and SA cricket fans gave the benefit of doubt
to SreeSanth.
All of them accused him of deliberately bowling the beamer to hurt
Pietersen.
> J
> What was ponting whining about after the ball?
A born whiner always whines.
Tell me something new.
Geoff Muldoon
>
> "Crapats (TM)" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >I don't think I ever want to believe that a bowler would deliberately
> > bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
> It does not indicate that he does it deliberately. He was probably pushing
> for a little extra pace when the ball slipped his hand.
>
Trying to help mitigate Lee's error by complaining that the "new" ball
(replaced a couple of overs before) was shinier and and more slippery with
the increasing level of dew on it.
GM
StraightDrive
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As if Brett Lee never bowled with a ball in day night matches before
in his life.
Excuses, excuses, excuses......
Was the beamer he bowled before vs England also due to dew ?
Brijesh
deliberately. It would be ridiculous to even think on those lines
Like Gavaskar pointed out, he may be trying to bowl a knee length fast
full toss (around 140K) that is difficult to get away and missing the
length
Crapats (TM)
> I don't understand the logic. Why does the frequency indicate intent as
> opposed to some error of technique?
>
> Andrew
He seems to do it more when the pressure is on. Well that's just my
gauge on things. Do you remember the ODO against the Black Craps (TM)
when he let one fly? I can't remember who the crapsman (TM) was but he
was quite rattled and got out not long after that.
Andrew Dunford
On Mar 3, 3:15 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> I don't understand the logic. Why does the frequency indicate intent as
> opposed to some error of technique?
>
> Andrew
> He seems to do it more when the pressure is on. Well that's just my
> gauge on things.
He tends to do it late in the innings when Australia bowls second in odos.
Which may been when the pressure is on, but may also be when the ball is
most likely to be wet and difficult to grip.
> Do you remember the ODO against the Black Craps (TM)
> when he let one fly? I can't remember who the crapsman (TM) was but he
> was quite rattled and got out not long after that.
He had a bad patch in in 2004/05 and 05/06 but there don't seem to have been
as many lately.
Andrew
dechucka
>I don't think I ever want to believe that a bowler would deliberately
> bowl a beamer but Brett Lee seems to do it quite often.
he hasn't ever done one deliberately ( cough ) in this case he apologised
straight away and the ball was changed according to a mate
King Of Pain
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> "Crapats (TM)" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Mar 3, 3:15 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
>> I don't understand the logic. Why does the frequency indicate intent as
>> opposed to some error of technique?
>>
>> Andrew
>
>> He seems to do it more when the pressure is on. Well that's just my
>> gauge on things.
>
> He tends to do it late in the innings when Australia bowls second in odos.
> Which may been when the pressure is on, but may also be when the ball is
> most likely to be wet and difficult to grip.
And it seems as if he does it more often in dodos which may indicate some
trouble he might have with the white ball...
Cheers!
--
Vig
nitekat01
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> > "Crapats (TM)" <crapats...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> > On Mar 3, 3:15 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> >> I don't understand the logic. Why does the frequency indicate intent as
> >> opposed to some error of technique?
>
> >> Andrew
>
> >> He seems to do it more when the pressure is on. Well that's just my
> >> gauge on things.
>
> > He tends to do it late in the innings when Australia bowls second in odos.
> > Which may been when the pressure is on, but may also be when the ball is
> > most likely to be wet and difficult to grip.
>
> And it seems as if he does it more often in dodos which may indicate some
> trouble he might have with the white ball...
>
> Cheers!
> --
> Vig
a subtle different is that when Sreeshanth bowled that beamer...a
couple of balls before the beamer he bowled 2 wides that even Harmison
would be PROUD of...that spell really indicated that he had absolutely
no control of the ball...(and probably should have been take off for
that reason alone)...Lee always seems to precede his beamers with
yorkers in PIN POINT accuracy!!!...in fact on sunday...only the over
before the commentators were raving about Lee's control and accuracy
and how he has really come of age as a bowler...then all of a
sudden...WHOOPS!!!...sorry mate...it slipped...smiles all around!!!
spadma...@blgcanada.com
> "Crapats (TM)" <crapats...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
Well, it could be either but it' s a little strange that the error of
technique somehow always results in the ball going at the batsman's
head. One might think that an error of technique would have him
spraying the ball with approximate similar frequency to second slip,
at the batsman's head, well down the leg side etc.
All that said, I have no problem with giving him the benefit of the
doubt. Lee is a fierce competitor but he also strikes me as being a
very sporting competitor. He does need to rein in these errors
however. At some point, he will no longer be entitled to the benefit
of the doubt.
Brijesh
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Theres no way he did it on purpose... what, in your opinion would be
his intent if he did it on purpose? To injure SRT out of the game?
max.it
The look on Lee's face told it was an accident. He nearly kaked his
whites, you know that sharp intake of breath, the cringe followed by
the "oh fuck"!, then the sorry stuff.
Ponting was probably whining about the no ball and caution for an
accidental beamer, which is mandatory whoever.
On theSreesanth KP beamer.Fair play to him, Sreesanth apologised right
away, though he appeared to be more concerned about the crap delivery
than about the safety of the batsman he just almost clobbered.
nitekat01
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he does it too often and could seriously injure someone one day at the
speed he bowls at. The fact is, maybe fast bowlers should get NO
warnings...one beamer and your OUT!!!...lets see how many times it
slips then!!
Mad Hamish
please find the previous time Lee bowled a beamer before this one day
finals series.
> and could seriously injure someone one day at the
>speed he bowls at. The fact is, maybe fast bowlers should get NO
>warnings...one beamer and your OUT!!!...lets see how many times it
>slips then!!
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Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
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Phil.
wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:22:49 -0800 (PST), nitekat01
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>
I don't remember the chronology but one of the ones against McCullum,
Razzaq or Trescothick I guess?
Phil.
Andrew Dunford
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There was a cluster of them in the 2004 - 2005 period. Nothing since then
that I can recall.
Andrew
arahim
Mike Holmans
the keyboard and brought forth:
>All that said, I have no problem with giving him the benefit of the
>doubt. Lee is a fierce competitor but he also strikes me as being a
>very sporting competitor. He does need to rein in these errors
>however. At some point, he will no longer be entitled to the benefit
>of the doubt.
So in your view Harmison now bowls wides delieberately, does he? It seems
the same logic.
Cheers,
Mike
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Andrew Dunford
"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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It must be very difficult to bowl some of them by accident.
Speaking of wild, the highlight of D2 has been Monty Panesar's completely
pointless and hilariously inaccurate attempt to throw down the striker's
stumps after Vettori had hit the ball back to him. Pointless because
Vettori hadn't left his crease; inaccurate in that the ball came directly
out of the side of his hand and galloped off through the covers, being
rescued just short of the boundary.
Andrew