Hands up all those who think Haddin can't keep ...
Fran
at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
Bad hands Alvey? Nah-uh
Fran
dechucka
"Fran" <fran...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That catch down legside to keep Australia in the contest with Pakistan
> at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
and this proves what?
Fran
> "Fran" <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
That he has the basic skills?
Fran
alvey
Nothing. I already knew that Fran is an idiot.
alvey
jzfredricks
That's awefully nice of him. He's an international keeper... the fact
that basic skills are being mentioned says a lot.
Fran
The claim by some has been that Haddin is not up to the task of
keeping in a test match rather than that he is not the most gifted
keeper ever.
I submit that if he were not sufficiently skilled he'd not have got a
glove on that legside flick, still less held it.
The fact is that he is currently effecting more dismissals per test
match than Healy, even though the bowlers aren't producing as many
chances as those Healy kept to for most of his career. And as recent
matches show, he has effected a number of high order of difficulty
snares and held onto the straightforward ones.
That suggests he is at worst plausible in the role.
Fran
Fran
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:52:48 +1100, dechucka wrote:
> >news:70e052be-df1c-48b8...@26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> >> That catch down legside to keep Australia in the contest with Pakistan
> >> at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
>
> > and this proves what?
>
> Nothing. I already knew that Fran is an idiot.
And yet my judgement on Haddin has proven demonstrably superior to
yours ...
I'm not suprised about that ...
Fran
Fran
Haddin takes a faint edge fielding up ... and it was his appeal that
got the decision as Hauritz hadn't heard the nick ...
One more to Haddin ... He is keeping Australia in front here with his
keeping.
Perhaps someone should sit with Alvey now ... and take photos ...
Fran
Will S
"dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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it proves much more then your or Als post
Will S
"alvey" <al...@play.com> wrote in message
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maybe she is but that stills puts her way in front of you in the
intelligence stakes
eusebius
I would say that Haddin's keeping this summer has improved a great
deal. That doesn't make any previous criticisms invalid. In fact they
were perfectly valid. Haddin has produced some of the most inept
keeping displays of any Australian representative ever.
Admitting his improvement (although he is still inconsistent), it is
not churlish to expect that soon he will shed the under 10s approach
of trying to take the ball before its passed the stumps.
Fran
> On Jan 6, 3:52 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 2:46 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > That catch down legside to keep Australia in the contest with Pakistan
> > > at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
>
> > > Bad hands Alvey? Nah-uh
>
> > > Fran
>
> > Haddin takes a faint edge fielding up ... and it was his appeal that
> > got the decision as Hauritz hadn't heard the nick ...
>
> > One more to Haddin ... He is keeping Australia in front here with his
> > keeping.
>
> > Perhaps someone should sit with Alvey now ... and take photos ...
>
> > Fran
>
> I would say that Haddin's keeping this summer has improved a great
> deal. That doesn't make any previous criticisms invalid. In fact they
> were perfectly valid. Haddin has produced some of the most inept
> keeping displays of any Australian representative ever.
>
What was Healy like on first selection?
> Admitting his improvement (although he is still inconsistent),
Which means he always had the potential. I suspect his concentration
was lacking because his reflexes are pretty good.
> it is
> not churlish to expect that soon he will shed the under 10s approach
> of trying to take the ball before its passed the stumps
Hmmm
Fran
Dave -Turner
Next.
jzfredricks
Next? Perhaps he'll move to SAf :)
Nirvanam
> On Jan 6, 3:52 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 2:46 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > That catch down legside to keep Australia in the contest with Pakistan
> > > at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
>
> > > Bad hands Alvey? Nah-uh
>
> > > Fran
>
> > Haddin takes a faint edge fielding up ... and it was his appeal that
> > got the decision as Hauritz hadn't heard the nick ...
>
> > One more to Haddin ... He is keeping Australia in front here with his
> > keeping.
>
> > Perhaps someone should sit with Alvey now ... and take photos ...
>
> > Fran
>
> I would say that Haddin's keeping this summer has improved a great
> deal. That doesn't make any previous criticisms invalid. In fact they
> were perfectly valid. Haddin has produced some of the most inept
> keeping displays of any Australian representative ever.
Hey come on now, Eusebius that one's reserved for Greg Dyer, innit?
eusebius
> On Jan 6, 5:48 pm, eusebius <eusebiu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 3:52 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 6, 2:46 pm, Fran <fran.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > That catch down legside to keep Australia in the contest with Pakistan
> > > > at 3-51 didn't look like a dolly to me ...
>
> > > > Bad hands Alvey? Nah-uh
>
> > > > Fran
>
> > > Haddin takes a faint edge fielding up ... and it was his appeal that
> > > got the decision as Hauritz hadn't heard the nick ...
>
> > > One more to Haddin ... He is keeping Australia in front here with his
> > > keeping.
>
> > > Perhaps someone should sit with Alvey now ... and take photos ...
>
> > > Fran
>
> > I would say that Haddin's keeping this summer has improved a great
> > deal. That doesn't make any previous criticisms invalid. In fact they
> > were perfectly valid. Haddin has produced some of the most inept
> > keeping displays of any Australian representative ever.
>
> What was Healy like on first selection?
Much, *much* better. Rodney Marsh, 'irongloves', might be a better
comparison. If Haddin becomes half the gloveman Marsh was, then we can
be happy.
>
> > Admitting his improvement (although he is still inconsistent),
>
> Which means he always had the potential. I suspect his concentration
> was lacking because his reflexes are pretty good.
To be a test class batsman reflexes must be good. However there is a
lot more to it than that. Its a very specialized discipline, you can't
just shoehorn a batsman into the role who has no experience with it.
Concentration as you say is a major factor, something that Healy goes
into a bit of detail in his book. The art of not being blase and not
overconcentrating either. Haddin has evinced a lot of the former up
till now.
>
> > it is
> > not churlish to expect that soon he will shed the under 10s approach
> > of trying to take the ball before its passed the stumps
>
> Hmmm
>
> Fran-
eusebius
Greg Dyer, its true, is up there. But the worst keeper ever for
Australia of all time I would say was probably Wayne Phillips. Classic
case of a batsman being forced into something he wasn't suited to (and
his career was wrecked as a result..he was an extremely talented
batsman)
Andrew Dunford
"Fran" <fran...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You're praising him for appealing? The level of hero worship is starting to
reach Maxx level now.
Andrew
Ian Galbraith
[snip]
> The fact is that he is currently effecting more dismissals per test
> match than Healy, even though the bowlers aren't producing as many
> chances as those Healy kept to for most of his career.
This is anecdotal and thus unreliable, I very much doubt you can prove
it. My anecdotal recall is that Healy very rarely made the errors Haddin
does with monotonous regularity apart from the one tour where he was
paying injured, and is thus a far better keeper.
[snip]
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Andrew Dunford
"Fran" <fran...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You mean like keeping his gloves behind the stumps until the ball has been
hit or has passed? Apparently not, despite being caught out a while ago.
The final ball of Hauritz's most recent over is a useful example. A
floated-up teaser outside the off stump which Haddin didn't even manage to
touch with his gloves.
Andrew
Nirvanam
Ya he was good. I remember during the mid-late 80s we used to get this
bubble gum called Big Fun...along with each gum you'd get a kind of
card of a cricketer with 1 run, 2 runs, 4 runs, and 6 runs against him
or 1 wkt. You collect 200 runs and 10 wickets u could exchange it for
something. So u could if the batsman was any good by looking at the
runs given to him...kapil, vegsarkar, srikanth, richards and all had 4
runs. Maninder had 1 run. Wayne Philips had 4 runs to his name!
dechucka
"Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
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It proves nothing as it is a single incident that Fran is trying to
extrapolate to a carreer. Having said that Haddin IMO is a good keeper
>
Will S
"Ian Galbraith" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:34 -0800 (PST), Fran wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> The fact is that he is currently effecting more dismissals per test
>> match than Healy, even though the bowlers aren't producing as many
>> chances as those Healy kept to for most of his career.
>
> This is anecdotal and thus unreliable, I very much doubt you can prove
> it. My anecdotal recall is that Healy very rarely made the errors Haddin
> does with monotonous regularity apart from the one tour where he was
> paying injured, and is thus a far better keeper.
>
> [snip]
like the error where he missed the stumping of the last wicket and cost
Australia victory
Will S
"dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No what Fran is doing is throwing it back in certain Queenslanders faces.