Danny Green v Anthony Mundine - the Super fight
Green^_^Machinery
The odds are very close and no one seems to be willing to take a side
or express their views on who they think will come out the victor of
the biggest Boxing Event in Australia or in its history.
Personally I think Danny Green's mental strength and highly cultured
fighting background will see him victorious. His strength will also be
hard to match. Anthony Mundine may have some speed and skill - however
it is just so hard to imagine him knocking out Danny Green......unless
of course he has his car handy to reverse over him a couple times to
make sure he stays down.........as I am sure there is nothing else that
will keep Danny Green out on the canvas for a full 10 count.
the most amazing thing I think is the lack of any "noise" coming from
the Anthony Mundine camp. For a man known as "the Mouth" it has been
amazingly quiet.
Any thoughts to share fight fans??
GreenDistantStar
"Green^_^Machinery" <kr...@uppereschelon.com> wrote in message
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Anthony Mundine's father, Tony Mundine, has announced he has quit as
trainer, and Roy Jones Jnr is Anthony's new man in the corner.
The fight is scheduled for May 17th, Sugar Ray Leonard's birthday iirc.
GDS
STRATEGY
GreenDistantStar wrote:
> Anthony Mundine's father, Tony Mundine, has announced he has quit as
> trainer, and Roy Jones Jnr is Anthony's new man in the corner.
HUH??
STRATEGY
Charles Beauchamp
Just two thoughts Mundine is an overrated wussy of a fighter who isn't
worth anymore mention.
--
v/r Dread Pirate Rackham
"You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government." -
President Clinton 5 May 1995
Blairomatic
For an ex-footballer, who quit the sport cause he was fed up with what
he saw as bad politics regarding his non selection for the national and
state teams, he has switched to boxing and has done really well.
I like his style, I like his showmanship and I like the fact that he
has got boxing back on peoples minds once again, people who would
normally not discuss the sport.
It is the most anticipated fight for Australian sports fans since
Holyfield v Tyson 2.
Every pub, bar and sports club will be full, the stadium will be full
and we are in for one helluva night.
I've been concerned of late that Green is past his best but pictures of
late show him to be in great condition.
He has power and will be dangerous but I think Choc will have him
chasing shadows, much like Leonard v Duran 2 in New Orleans.
One thing is for sure though, there is no way in hell that Danny Green
will quit halfway thru! He wants to end Chocs career and will chase him
down all night.
I just hope the fight doesn't come on too late, as in the past (with
Mundine fights) we have been swamped by lead-up bouts and thus the main
event hasn't arrived until past 10 pm. It is a work night after all!
With Danny Greens hometown support base on Australia's West Coast,
which is 3 hrs behind the East (Sydney, Melbourne), I'm a little
concerned that they will delay the start time for people in the West to
settle in after work, which means here in Sydney we could get a late
one.
I can't wait anyhow.
Blair
Green^_^Machinery
Shane
"Blairomatic" <blair...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have already stated here that I think Choc will win it.
>
> For an ex-footballer, who quit the sport cause he was fed up with what
> he saw as bad politics regarding his non selection for the national and
> state teams, he has switched to boxing and has done really well.
Oh and the fact that he wasn't nearly as good as the guys already playing in
his position. Choc had no chance at all of toppling Fittler or Daley (who is
also an aboriginal) as the No 6 in any form of rugby league. He played the
race card and made a fool of himself.
>
> I like his style, I like his showmanship and I like the fact that he
> has got boxing back on peoples minds once again, people who would
> normally not discuss the sport.
Yeah but for every single supporter he gets, another two want to see him
beat to a pulp. Like I've previously said in here, most Mundane fighters I
see at the pub have at least two thirds of the crowd cheering when he gets
hit.
>
> It is the most anticipated fight for Australian sports fans since
> Holyfield v Tyson 2.
To be honest, this is the most anticipated fight I have even encountered. I
rate this fight even bigger than any world title fight I've anxiously waited
for in the past. There will be no excuses for fighting in someone else's
backyard. Two aussies of world class fighting in Oz. I just hope the ref is
up to it and doesn't let Mundine get away with that shit he pulled on
Echols. If the ref allows that kind of shit to occur, the fans will tear
down the ring and javelin him down towards Fox studios somewhere.
>
> Every pub, bar and sports club will be full, the stadium will be full
> and we are in for one helluva night.
Agreed.
>
> I've been concerned of late that Green is past his best but pictures of
> late show him to be in great condition.
Absolutely pristine condition. He'd want to be because it was Green who has
been calling Mindine out for the past three years waiting for this
opportunity.
>
> He has power and will be dangerous but I think Choc will have him
> chasing shadows, much like Leonard v Duran 2 in New Orleans.
>
> One thing is for sure though, there is no way in hell that Danny Green
> will quit halfway thru! He wants to end Chocs career and will chase him
> down all night.
I believe he will do it too.
>
> I just hope the fight doesn't come on too late, as in the past (with
> Mundine fights) we have been swamped by lead-up bouts and thus the main
> event hasn't arrived until past 10 pm. It is a work night after all!
> With Danny Greens hometown support base on Australia's West Coast,
> which is 3 hrs behind the East (Sydney, Melbourne), I'm a little
> concerned that they will delay the start time for people in the West to
> settle in after work, which means here in Sydney we could get a late
> one.
>
> I can't wait anyhow.
There is a pool of drool forming near my Fox remote control. This fight is
being booked for home to avoid the crowds. I reckon the Yanks should really
tune into this fight. There's been too many one sided, predictable and
boring fights in this division of late. This particular fight has two guys
with pretty well equal talent, they are both highly rated in all
organisations and they have hugely contrasting styles. They hate each other
with a passion despite the recent "I have the utmost
respect................" bullshit for the media. It's on!
Shane
>
> Blair
>
STRATEGY
This is on a freakin' Wednesday, why can't ESPN send out a crew and
cover this for Wed night boxing? It would be their best fight ever (on
paper).
STRATEGY
Blairomatic
dane_1985
to Danny Green's. A few people need a lesson on good boxing skills here
I think, including Anthony "The Mouth' (very true) Mundine.
Green^_^Machinery
Green^_^Machinery
boost his own ego Danny has pandered to Mundine's every whim to ensure
that the fight could go ahead and give the public what they
want.......which is this super fight. This is the opposite to Anthony
Mundine's motivation to fight Danny Green which was driven by his
desire for his own personal gain - as there certainly is no title on
the line.
Mundine would not give the public what they wanted unless he got the
top billing, the most money and chose the location....as if desperately
clinging onto the last threads of control over his flagging career.
Danny Green cares not for these things and like a man whose belief is
steadfast, has waited patiently for the opportunity to let his fists do
the talking in the face Anthony Mundine's over self-compensating
taunts.
Danny just wants to silence the mouth who dared to once call him a bum
and give the public what they want and show that the only TRUE fighter
in the ring on May 17 will be Danny Green.
This quintessential difference in the driving force of Danny Green to
that of Anthony Mundine, irrespective of skill, in my opinion, is the
difference that will prove once and for all who the real bum is in the
biggest boxing match in Australian history.
A tsunami warning should be issued in the wake of the tidal sized sound
wave created from the laughter eminating from the entire state of
Western Australia as they laugh as one united voice at Choc the Clown.
Blairomatic
Are operating under the pseudonym "Green...Machinery", because you
don't want to give us a real name, just in case you and your over the
top predictions are going to make you look a little silly on May 17th?
You are way, way over confident my friend.
Blair
gaj...@gmail.com
keep close to the gound and arch his back keeping up jabs if keeps
every thing tight mudine will have to go for wild shots hay makers and
sucker hits exposing him self and out in the open physically mundine is
at a disadvantage hes gonna need all of his expertise to win if danny
sticks to center spot light its his show and weel all watch mundine get
a rearanged face lets hope danny gets him in a corner
Blairomatic
Blair
Blairomatic
> A tsunami warning should be issued in the wake of the tidal sized sound
> wave created from the laughter eminating from the entire state of
> Western Australia as they laugh as one united voice at Choc the Clown.
If Choc loses I'll be back here with egg on my face but nevertheless
I'll be under the same name, I was once Blair Kavanagh, now I am
Blairomatic.
I'm prepared to say Choc will win and if he doesn't then I'll be back
to face the music.
However you, my friend, can just saunter off unknown if Danny is beat,
and either go away for good or return under a new and shameless
pseudonym.
That's the point I was making when I questioned the use of your name.
You are protecting yourself from any humiliation.
You talk big, but if that big talk aint good enough then you won't have
to be around to get the flak.
This is just a side comment of mine though, I appreciate you being here
and starting this post! You seem like a good person and we'll be united
on the night by the sheer excitement of the build up! Not the result
though!!!! And if Danny does go down, you better come back for at least
one more post under the name "Green...Machinery"!!!
Blair
STRATEGY
Blairomatic wrote:
> If this was an American fight there would be over 200 posts by now!!
If the fight were even bening shown here there's be more talk of this,
I suspect..
Part of the problem, of course, is that we haven't seen these guys on
tv much (or at all?).
Frankly, the only reason I like Green is because I saw him spar with
James Toney and was very impressed by... err..... the way he took the
ass-whooping? Anyway, I read up on him afterwards and became a fan.
Mundine soulds like a guy I would like too, nothing wrong with being a
character..
Maybe you could stream the fight to us somehow ;)
STRATEGY
>
> Blair
Spangus
John
really wants to finally put an end to Mundine. And on the other side
you have Mundine, who has pissed a lot of people off with his
uneducated tone. I just don't think Allah will be there to save him.
Greens going to kick his ass back to Afghanistan with all of his
suicide friends. I still can't get my head around his remarks
praising the 9/11 hijackers!!!!! But hey, not long, I so badly want
green to mess Mundine up once and for all.
skak...@gmail.com
Trav
kic_arse_chick
Loco13
any sport should have a level of respect for their opponents and not
run them down.
Anthony Mundine may well be a good boxer but as for sportsmanship he
has shown nothing of the sort, which you'll find is why alot of people
do not like him.Just for that reason alone I think he should lose the
fight against the ever humble Danny Green just to shut his big mouth
up.
But that's just how I feel. But of course everyone is entitled to their
oppinions 100% and I thank you for yours.
Loco
Green^_^Machinery
Danny Green shuts mundine's enormous mouth.....
.......then we can all sit back and blow smoke in his stupid monkey
face and he will have to sit there.............................groovin'
on it ;)
Go Danny Green.
Its history in the making!!!
kic_arse_chick wrote:
> blair your an arse hole
Green^_^Machinery
gentlemanly as a fart in an elevator :oP
Shane
"Loco13" <haleif...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Presactly. Motormouth Muslim Mundine is not only a loudmouth before a fight,
but finds no problem rubbing it in after fighting some no-ranking palooka
nobody has ever heard of by doing the childish cut-throat gesture to his
opponent laying on the ground. He's a real role model isn't he? I think all
the aussie muslims look up to Mundine
which might explain why the muslims living in Sydney have little or no
respect for anyone else but themselves. It might also explain why violent
displays of thuggery and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others is
predominant in this community.
Before anyone brings up the *racist* or *bias* thing, please remember that
it was Mundine who mentioned the *doing it for his Muslim brothers* crap. Go
Green!!!!!!!!!
Shane
Loco13
spoilt brat kid who thinks he is better than everyone in the world you
don't need money or fame or even talents to be a person worthy of
respect. But I am just as bad if I sit here and judge anyone so I'm
down and out
Cheers
b0ka
Im tipping first round knock out. .... :D
Nah just kidding, but mundine will win. People think that all he does
is talk, but he trains harder then anyone.
STRATEGY
Green^_^Machinery wrote:
> That hilarious Kick Arse Chick - but I think it is best saved for AFTER
> Danny Green shuts mundine's enormous mouth.....
> .......then we can all sit back and blow smoke in his stupid monkey
> face and he will have to sit there.............................groovin'
> on it ;)
It took a few posts, but the true nature of your support for Green and
your anti-Mundine sentiment has finally come to light.
STRATEGY
snico...@gmail.com
12rd unanimous descision win.
fgt2win984
Green^_^Machinery wrote:
> Can anyone make up their minds yet????
>
> The odds are very close and no one seems to be willing to take a side
> or express their views on who they think will come out the victor of
> the biggest Boxing Event in Australia or in its history.
>
> Personally I think Danny Green's mental strength and highly cultured
> fighting background will see him victorious. His strength will also be
> hard to match. Anthony Mundine may have some speed and skill - however
> it is just so hard to imagine him knocking out Danny Green......unless
> of course he has his car handy to reverse over him a couple times to
> make sure he stays down.........as I am sure there is nothing else that
> will keep Danny Green out on the canvas for a full 10 count.
>
> the most amazing thing I think is the lack of any "noise" coming from
> the Anthony Mundine camp. For a man known as "the Mouth" it has been
> amazingly quiet.
>
> Any thoughts to share fight fans??
fgt2win984
fgt2win984
Green, Dont let the bastards grind you down, the war is not fought,
won.....or lost in one battle.
Blairomatic
Danny Green was a proud warrior but this is Choc's time.
Mundine really outclassed Green in there tonight and surprisingly
landed the harder shots, which came at constant intervals.
What a night it was, how about that build up??? The ring walks and
introductions!! Have we ever seen such excitement created at a sporting
contest in Australia???
Green was a worthy opponent but I strongly believe the right man won.
Choc should have finished Green in the 10th like I predicted, however
Green had too much heart but he seemed lackluster all night.
Salutations to both Mundine and Green for an unforgettable night.
No-one will argue with the final result but I was surprised at the
Korean Judge scoring at 116-114/113, that seemed way too close.
Blair
Shane
"Blairomatic" <blair...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Green^_^Machinery wrote:
>> That hilarious Kick Arse Chick - but I think it is best saved for AFTER
>> Danny Green shuts mundine's enormous mouth.....
>> .......then we can all sit back and blow smoke in his stupid monkey
>> face and he will have to sit there.............................groovin'
>> on it ;)>
>> Go Danny Green.
>> Its history in the making!!!
>>>
>> kic_arse_chick wrote:
>> > blair your an arse hole
>
> Danny Green was a proud warrior but this is Choc's time.
>
> Mundine really outclassed Green in there tonight and surprisingly
> landed the harder shots, which came at constant intervals.
Would have been a different story had Choc fought Danny six years ago when
he first challenged him.
>
> What a night it was, how about that build up??? The ring walks and
> introductions!! Have we ever seen such excitement created at a sporting
> contest in Australia???
>
> Green was a worthy opponent but I strongly believe the right man won.
> Choc should have finished Green in the 10th like I predicted, however
> Green had too much heart but he seemed lackluster all night.
>
> Salutations to both Mundine and Green for an unforgettable night.
>
> No-one will argue with the final result but I was surprised at the
> Korean Judge scoring at 116-114/113, that seemed way too close.
I will still NEVER support the loud mouth from Redfern despite his win
tonight. Along with more than 50% of aussies, I will support the other
fighter whether he is Australian or not. Mundine is just not a nice guy.
ra...@iinet.net.au
wrote:
Mundine just too good for a game Danny, I don't see a rematch, it
wasn't even close !
Ray.
Greg
>On 17 May 2006 07:08:13 -0700, "Blairomatic" <blair...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>
>
>Mundine just too good for a game Danny, I don't see a rematch, it
>wasn't even close !
>
>Ray.
It seems as if Danny Greens time has come and gone, but a rematch will
happen if they can get a similar purse to the one they shared in this
fight.
Greg
kishan....@gmail.com
aussie with idiots like you preaching bullshit. Have you ever met
mundine? have you ever talked to mundine? let me guess the answer to
this would be NO?? maybe you should meet the man, talk to him and then
judge him instead of blindly listening to what the media has to offer.
Half the reason that last nights match was such a huge event is because
of all the media hype that mundine has created with his outspoken
antics. Do you honestly believe he does this for any other reason?
You hate this guy who youve never met so much that you even attack his
sucessful NRL career? Id love to see you achieve half what mundine has
in sports. Why don't you go in the ring with Mundine if he's so shit
and useless. You may even find that instead of knocking your sorry
ass out, he may even show you how punch properly.
It was a great fight, the better boxer on the day won, get over it.
Danny Green was very gracious in defeat, and Mundine didn't rub it in
his face even after all that has been said. They both showed good
sportsmanship and both gave a great entertaining fight. You said
mundine would get his ass kicked, you were wrong, accept it and move
on. Don't sit here attacking muslims, pretending to represent 50% of
australians of which i hope you are not and making comments like 6
years ago green would have won. It's not 6 years ago, its now, green
challeneged mundine believeing he was up to the task, he underestimated
how much mundine has improved.
If Green didnt feel as though he could have won this battle in front of
every australian he woudlnt have tried, so don't make exucses for Green
when he himself isn't trying to make excuses for being out classed.
Let me re-iterate, im almost embarrased to call myself Australian with
racist, simple minded idiots like yourself. I would be embarrassed if
i didn't know so many great Australians that make this country the best
on the planet.
kishan....@gmail.com
abilities
to Danny Green's. A few people need a lesson on good boxing skills here
I think, including Anthony "The Mouth' (very true) Mundine. "
as you were saying...
Blind Boxer
Shane
<kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Your an idiot mate, no offence but im almost embarrased to call myself
> aussie with idiots like you preaching bullshit.
Mate of mine was at a pub watching the fight in Sutherland. He said there
was him and about three others going for Mundine. What does that tell you?
Have you ever met
> mundine?
I'm not even sure whether you're talking to me or not because you've snipped
everything else but your comments.
have you ever talked to mundine?
Not Mundine or Green.
let me guess the answer to
> this would be NO?? maybe you should meet the man, talk to him and then
> judge him instead of blindly listening to what the media has to offer.
I've never met Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hilter or Saddam Hussein either but I
know I don't like them. The *only* information you and I have ever heard
about these guys if what you've been told by the media so where does that
leave your argument?
On boxing, I don't like Zab Judah or Mundine for similar reasons. If I was
American I'd be embarrassed by Judah and many aussies are embarrassed by
Mundine. Get over it, we don't all have to think like you do.
>
>
> Half the reason that last nights match was such a huge event is because
> of all the media hype that mundine has created with his outspoken
> antics.
Yep. Mundine didn't do this to benefit anyone else but himself you know. The
way you're talking Mundine did this to make Oz seem like a better place or
something. This *huge* event you're talking about made very *few* people
very rich. My opinion is he did it to the deterrent of his own reputation
although many now see him as a much better boxer but hardly less an idiot.
Do you honestly believe he does this for any other reason?
The reason was to line his own back pocket. That doesn't make me like him
anymore or less than I did before.
> You hate this guy who youve never met so much that you even attack his
> sucessful NRL career?
It was successful. He was never as good as some of the other halves playing
at the time though. How do you think Freddy Fittler and Laurie Daley (who is
an aboriginal) felt when he came out and used the *race* card when he wasn't
picked for rep duties?
Id love to see you achieve half what mundine has
> in sports.
I'd like to see Mundine be as successful as I am at what I do. What sort of
stupid comment is that?
Why don't you go in the ring with Mundine if he's so shit
> and useless.
Assuming it is me you are referring to........you are an idiot!
You may even find that instead of knocking your sorry
> ass out, he may even show you how punch properly.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> It was a great fight, the better boxer on the day won, get over it.
Assuming it's me you're talking to, I'm over it and yes the better man on
that night in 2006 won.
> Danny Green was very gracious in defeat, and Mundine didn't rub it in
> his face even after all that has been said.
Just checking my watch to see how long it's going to be before he says
something stupid to make the entire country hate him again.
They both showed good
> sportsmanship and both gave a great entertaining fight.
Yep.
You said
> mundine would get his ass kicked, you were wrong, accept it and move
> on.
It's obviously someone else you were talking to because I never said that.
Don't sit here attacking muslims, pretending to represent 50% of
> australians of which i hope you are not and making comments like 6
> years ago green would have won.
Oh maybe it was me because anyone who makes a religious comment suggesting
they were going to do it for his *muslim brothers* is asking for the
argument to become religious. I don't believe anyone said anything about
religion until HE did.
It's not 6 years ago, its now, green
> challeneged mundine believeing he was up to the task, he underestimated
> how much mundine has improved.
Why didn't Mundine wait until Green was 35 or 36? It would have been so much
easier then. If you recall back a few years ago it was MUNDINE who was bad
mouthing GREEN and GREEN challenged MUNDINE to a fight for NO FEE. It was
MUNDINE who used his NRL experience and sidestepped his way out of fighting
GREEN for SIX YEARS!
>
> If Green didnt feel as though he could have won this battle in front of
> every australian he woudlnt have tried, so don't make exucses for Green
> when he himself isn't trying to make excuses for being out classed.
He thought he could win. Who made any excuses for him? He got beaten on the
night by a better fighter.
> Let me re-iterate, im almost embarrased to call myself Australian with
> racist, simple minded idiots like yourself. I would be embarrassed if
> i didn't know so many great Australians that make this country the best
> on the planet.
How the hell am I a racist? Did I say anything about justifying the 9/11
attacks in New York? No I believe it was Mundine wasn't it? Did Danny Green
say anything about winning this fight for his *christian* brothers? No I
don't believe he did. On what I said earlier about MY experience with
muslims living in my area, they are way over represented in just about every
single serious crime involving violence. The sooner idiots like you stop
hiding behind political correctness the better for this country.
Shane
"Blind Boxer" <akre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Bravo mate. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Fool.
Blairomatic
> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1147938487.5...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Your an idiot mate, no offence but im almost embarrased to call myself
> > aussie with idiots like you preaching bullshit.
C'mon on Shane, fair go man!! The better man won and you're coming
across mean, bitter and ungracious, very much unlike Danny Green
himself.
Choc's getting more and more popular with the Australian public and
Wednesday night's impressive victory has earned him praise and respect
from people who were previously very anti.
He'll never be the true blue hero the way Danny Green portrayed himself
as, Choc doesn't want this, as he is what he is, a little different
from the rest and I like that.
He's a nice fellow when you meet him, and he's popular amongst his old
football peers, look how many were at the fight and see the warmth
generated on the 'Footy Show'.
Shane, you're right when you state that plenty of people simply don't
like the guy, but that's ok, Choc will alway's have his critics.
Wednesday night however was a defining moment in his career and public
persona...he's improved dramatically in both.
Blair
Blairomatic
> A tsunami warning should be issued in the wake of the tidal sized sound
> wave created from the laughter eminating from the entire state of
> Western Australia as they laugh as one united voice at Choc the Clown.
Just like I knew would happen.
This guy came here under an anonymous name and talked up Danny Green to
all that would take the time to read, including me.
However it wasn't hard to realise that come Wednesday night if Danny
Green didn't quite get the desired result he wished for, this guy
"Green^_^Machinery" wouldn't be heard of again.
Talk about sneaking off with his tail between his legs.
I would have been back here if Choc was KO'd in one.
Where's my medal????!!!!
Blair ;-)
Shane
> Shane wrote:
>> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147938487.5...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Your an idiot mate, no offence but im almost embarrased to call myself
>> > aussie with idiots like you preaching bullshit.
>
> C'mon on Shane, fair go man!! The better man won and you're coming
> across mean, bitter and ungracious, very much unlike Danny Green
> himself.
The better man did win. I never once said anything different did I? I just
don't like Mundine, is that ok?
>
> Choc's getting more and more popular with the Australian public and
> Wednesday night's impressive victory has earned him praise and respect
> from people who were previously very anti.
He is becoming more popular there is no doubt about it. Aussies love a
winner and we haven't had a lot to cheer about lately. I still don't like
Mundine or what he stands for. Most people at the pub still go there to see
him get beaten.
>
> He'll never be the true blue hero the way Danny Green portrayed himself
> as, Choc doesn't want this, as he is what he is, a little different
> from the rest and I like that.
Danny green hasn't portrayed himself to be anything other than what he is, a
nice guy. Mundine on the other hand has shown himself to be a jerk, a loud
mouth and a guy who thinks nothing of inciting racial feeling.
>
> He's a nice fellow when you meet him, and he's popular amongst his old
> football peers, look how many were at the fight and see the warmth
> generated on the 'Footy Show'.
I'm told Saddam Hussein is a nice guy when you get to know him too. I have
little wish to meet either of them though. Saddam because he's a murderous
dictator and Mundine because he's a spoilt brat who plays the race card
along with his father who I used to have the greatest respect for. Both
Mundine snr and jr have both used the race card when things haven't gone
their way. I don't have to point out the ones jr has tried on but even snr
tried this argument when one of choc's WTF's was cancelled through injury
(Kessler or Siaca) and when the WBA wouldn't sanction the fight against a
lower opponent he came out and said it was done only because he was
aboriginal and nobody wanted him to succeed. FFS, that'll do me.
>
> Shane, you're right when you state that plenty of people simply don't
> like the guy, but that's ok, Choc will alway's have his critics.
I just happen to be one of them that subscribes to this NG.
>
> Wednesday night however was a defining moment in his career and public
> persona...he's improved dramatically in both.
I agree. I still dislike him though.
Green^_^Machinery
Green^_^Machinery
show of support their for Danny Green only goes to show that I am not
the only member of the Australian public that feels thats way.
Walter Mitty
> Shane wrote:
>> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147938487.5...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Your an idiot mate, no offence but im almost embarrased to call myself
>> > aussie with idiots like you preaching bullshit.
>
> C'mon on Shane, fair go man!! The better man won and you're coming
> across mean, bitter and ungracious, very much unlike Danny Green
> himself.
Where did he say anything different? There was nothing mean bitter or
ungracious in his reply whatsoever : in fact it was a good comeback to
the ridiuclous original riposte,
>
> Choc's getting more and more popular with the Australian public and
> Wednesday night's impressive victory has earned him praise and respect
> from people who were previously very anti.
anti his boxing ability.
>
> He'll never be the true blue hero the way Danny Green portrayed himself
> as, Choc doesn't want this, as he is what he is, a little different
> from the rest and I like that.
He's intent in stirring up the race card. he's not even "blick".
Blairomatic
> Well come on - lets see your smugness. Go for it dude!!!!
Thanks for coming back.
I'm not smug, we were all winners on Wednesday night.
It was a tremendous show, one which we may never see the like of again.
When your man walked out to the ring with "Downunder" playing, after
all those years of talk, I got emotional. It was incredible television.
Then came Choc, a little more contemparary, with that hip hop track
blasting out into our living rooms/bars/pubs/clubs and the stadium.
And who can say it wasn't a great fight? Gee it was exciting! I was
terrified of Green right up to the final bell and I wasn't even in
there with him!
What have we got now to rumble about?
Not much, I feel our best night is now behind us.
Blair
Shane
> Green^_^Machinery wrote:
>> Well come on - lets see your smugness. Go for it dude!!!!
>
> Thanks for coming back.
>
> I'm not smug, we were all winners on Wednesday night.
>
> It was a tremendous show, one which we may never see the like of again.
You have got to be kidding haven't you? This has nothing to do with the fact
that Mundine actually won but I think you're really going over the top now.
You're talking about a fight where neither of these guys were even ranked in
the top 25 of the WBC or the top 15 of the IBF. Get a grip.
> When your man walked out to the ring with "Downunder" playing, after
> all those years of talk, I got emotional. It was incredible television.
You're easily entertained.
>
> Then came Choc, a little more contemparary, with that hip hop track
> blasting out into our living rooms/bars/pubs/clubs and the stadium.
Worst part of the evening.
>
> And who can say it wasn't a great fight? Gee it was exciting! I was
> terrified of Green right up to the final bell and I wasn't even in
> there with him!
I thought it was quite boring actually. The hype was brilliant but I think
both fighters really failed to deliver what I would consider a world class
display. Mundine did what he had to do and Danny couldn't get going because
of choc's plan.
>
> What have we got now to rumble about?
>
> Not much, I feel our best night is now behind us.
Both fighters failed with world rated fighters.........lets see what the
future holds before claiming this was all *it*.
JC
"Shane" <shan...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Blairomatic" <blair...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Green^_^Machinery wrote:
>>> Well come on - lets see your smugness. Go for it dude!!!!
>>
>> Thanks for coming back.
>>
>> I'm not smug, we were all winners on Wednesday night.
>>
>> It was a tremendous show, one which we may never see the like of again.
>
> You have got to be kidding haven't you? This has nothing to do with the
> fact that Mundine actually won but I think you're really going over the
> top now. You're talking about a fight where neither of these guys were
> even ranked in the top 25 of the WBC or the top 15 of the IBF. Get a grip.
You reckon the ref should get a grip too?
"It was the greatest fight I have refereed, it was brilliant,"
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=101780
<snip>
>
Shane
"JC" <nob...@home.com> wrote in message
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Don't get too carried away like everyone else has. Terry O'Connor has
refereed the bulk of his fights over 4 and 6 rounds. All of them bar three
have been refereed in England and the others were Germany x 2 and one in
Denmark practically next door. He has never refereed in front of 40000
people before and in a fight with this much hype and probably this much
talent. I'm sure it was a huge occasion for him and it probably was the best
fight he's ever had to officiate at especially when you look at some of the
fights he's refereed in the past.
If you go and check the rankings prior to last week you will note that the
only sanctioning body that had either if these guys in the top 15 was the
WBA. Should Terry O'Connor have refereed other super middle weight fights in
say...the US he would have probably seen equal or according to the world
rankings, better fighters on display. It was a good fight but from the
second round became very predictable IMO. Good game plan by Mundine, Green
couldn't execute his because of it. That's the art of boxing, hit and don't
get hit so it was a good game plan.
Blairomatic
> Terry O'Connor has refereed the bulk of his fights over 4 and 6 rounds.
Who was the ref for the Hoppa fight?
He was way too late in stopping that one, dangerously late in fact.
Very similar to the Mercer/Morrison fight and Cooney/Norton, where a
fighter is hopelessly sagging on the ropes and the executor is giving
him several shots while he is virtually out cold.
This could have ruined the entire night, our very own ring tragedy,
right here in Australia.
Blair
Shane
> Shane wrote:
>> Terry O'Connor has refereed the bulk of his fights over 4 and 6 rounds.
>
> Who was the ref for the Hoppa fight?
>
> He was way too late in stopping that one, dangerously late in fact.
I agree. It's one thing selecting opponents to make people look good but a
guy dying in the ring isn't a good look for anyone. Anyone of those last few
punches had serious injury written all over it.
>
> Very similar to the Mercer/Morrison fight and Cooney/Norton, where a
> fighter is hopelessly sagging on the ropes and the executor is giving
> him several shots while he is virtually out cold.
>
> This could have ruined the entire night, our very own ring tragedy,
> right here in Australia.
Yep. BTW, I'm going to be making some enquiries with Boxing Australia to
find out why that fight was awarded to Dib on the undercard bout when he was
the one who threw the Philippine fighter to the ground illegally. Even if
they claim it was an accidental collision (throw) then the fight still
shouldn't have been awarded to him. I could be wrong but I can't find any
organisation that will award a fight to anyone if an injury occurs before
the end of at least round three. This injury occurred in the second round.
If they've done the wrong thing then all asian fighters, particularly those
from Thailand, should boycott australia until they get the officials sorted
out first. I get so annoyed watching these guys getting ripped off by our
own officials even if they are here as cannon fodder.
kishan....@gmail.com
> Mate of mine was at a pub watching the fight in Sutherland. He said there
> was him and about three others going for Mundine. What does that tell you?
It doesnt really tell me much at all. if your going to generalise
based on "here say" from a few mates in a few pubs then i hardly think
your word is credible on this matter. You don't represent the majority
of australians. 95% of my friends hate John Howard and have ever since
hes been in power, yet the majority of australians obviously prefer him
to any labour candidate.
In context to boxing, about 40% of my friends went for green, 20% were
not overly fussed so long as it was a entertaining fight and the
remainder (40%) went for mundine. Does this mean I should assume the
whole of australia can be broken down into the same ratios of support
for both boxers? Does this also mean i should assume that those who
went for green hate mundine which none of my friends do!
> Have you ever met
> > mundine?
>
> I'm not even sure whether you're talking to me or not because you've snipped
> everything else but your comments.
>
> have you ever talked to mundine?
>
> Not Mundine or Green.
Well if you must know, my twin brother is a journalist. He has
interviewed green and the green camp when Fenech was greens coach. He
has also interviewed mundines camp in redfern as well as mundine. I
was fortunate enough to accompany him on this interview. Recently he
interviewed Vella before his fight (second or third last undercard).
Back then Green was the better boxer and my brother gladly pointed that
out to me seeing as he had seen bother boxers spar and in action, etc.
I can only talk of mundine, and lets get this straight, not for a
second do i pretend to know mundine based on this one visitation but i
will say this, mundine came across as a nice person who was only more
than happy to be interviewed and have his photo taken etc.
My twin brother back then was not working for a big newspaper or
anything really (a uni assignment) like he is now. Mundine was not
arrogant or uphimself or anythign that you appear to believe based on
his media antics. He definatly was not a "bad person" who deserves to
be compared to the likes of 2 of the worst known dictators in modern
history.
He was very humble, and reminded me of "one of the boys". You can say
what you want about him, and hate him as much you want thats your right
as a human in a democratic country, but your comments are not based on
fact, they are based on media hype, youve never even met either of the
two boxers.
> let me guess the answer to
> > this would be NO?? maybe you should meet the man, talk to him and then
> > judge him instead of blindly listening to what the media has to offer.
>
>
> I've never met Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hilter or Saddam Hussein either but I
> know I don't like them. The *only* information you and I have ever heard
> about these guys if what you've been told by the media so where does that
> leave your argument?
I'm not even going comment on the stupidity of this argument. Your
comparing a boxer to the likes of hitler or suddam husain. And let me
assure in regards to the Iraq war I don't listen to what the media has
to offer, becaues i dont agree with the invasion of Iraq nor do i agree
with half of what is presented by the media on this matter. Do you
have any idea how regulated the media is by the American government?
Do you believe what you see about the Iraq war is what is really going
on over there, or not remotely bias to bush's neo-conservative cause.
Let me guess, according to you the palestinians are all murders and the
jews are all saints?? Iran are full of terrorists who are about to
nuke the whole world and America is the saviour of the planet? Cause
of you follow the media so blindly as you suggest "The *only*
information you and I have " then i suppose that would be your
viewpoint, right?
> On boxing, I don't like Zab Judah or Mundine for similar reasons. If I was
> American I'd be embarrassed by Judah and many aussies are embarrassed by
> Mundine. Get over it, we don't all have to think like you do.
I really wonder where abouts your from?? WA?? i dont know many aussies
that are embarrased with mundine. I know a number of aussies that
think hes a bit outspoken and a number who may not even like half his
comments, but i dont know a single aussie that would say they are
embarrased by mundine. In fact when mundine fights against kessler i
cant think of an aussie i know that wont want mundine to win, he is
after all a talent from australia?
When the world cup soccer begins are you going to be anti aussie cause
some of our soccer stars have probably had cocaine or made stupid
comments in the media abroad? Do you hate shane warne, or are you
embarrased by shane warne for his off field antics to the extent that
your embarrased by him and wont support him? these people represent my
country and when they are competing under our flag I will take there
side and hope they win.
Not everyone has to think like me, nor have once suggested that. I am
pleased that very few people i have come across think like you.
> > Half the reason that last nights match was such a huge event is because
> > of all the media hype that mundine has created with his outspoken
> > antics.
>
> Yep. Mundine didn't do this to benefit anyone else but himself you know. The
> way you're talking Mundine did this to make Oz seem like a better place or
> something. This *huge* event you're talking about made very *few* people
> very rich. My opinion is he did it to the deterrent of his own reputation
> although many now see him as a much better boxer but hardly less an idiot.
What? Firslty when did I once suggest he fought this fight to benefit
anyone? Secondly so what if he did this to make money?? isnt that what
all boxers try to do?? isn't that what 95% of the work force work
for?? money?? Is this even an argument or a pathetic attempt to state
the obvious cause i can't see how what your saying is an attack on
Mundine. There is no way in hell I would step in the ring for free.
And how can a boxing match ever benefit anyone accept by providing good
entertainment?
He did do this to make a buck and good on him for doing so. Green made
some money out of this as well. In fact im sure both of them arranged
this so they both would earn a good buck for this contesnt win, loose
or draw, so what?
> Do you honestly believe he does this for any other reason?
>
> The reason was to line his own back pocket. That doesn't make me like him
> anymore or less than I did before.
Yes it was to line his own back pocket, so what are you telling me you
wouldnt line your own back pocket if you were in his shoes? It's quite
clear to me that there is nothing mundine could do to make you respect
him, and believe me hes not trying. Hes the one that made a mint out
of this fight, so whos the smart one, you or him? you think its a case
of him having to be likable to you?
> > You hate this guy who youve never met so much that you even attack his
> > sucessful NRL career?
> It was successful. He was never as good as some of the other halves playing
> at the time though. How do you think Freddy Fittler and Laurie Daley (who is
> an aboriginal) felt when he came out and used the *race* card when he wasn't
> picked for rep duties?
They probbaly didnt care near as much as what you seem to do. In fact
ill bet they were even barracking mundine in his boxing match. You
seem alot more bitter towards mundine than people who even played along
side him. From what i could tell of the footy show, all the footy
players present that night were in full support of mundine. He has
said some stupid comments in the past, some to add media hype and
others for god knows what reason, so what?
Hes a footy player not a journalist. how many NRL footy players have
you heard make intellegent comments? there not employed for the
ability to speak and are generally not the most educated people, get
over it. And if your going to rebut this comment with Union players
you can throw that in bin as well seeing as most union players come
from private school and are quite well educated.
> Id love to see you achieve half what mundine has
> > in sports.
>
> I'd like to see Mundine be as successful as I am at what I do. What sort of
> stupid comment is that?
Its very easy to critisise from the side lines isnt it now, why dont
you try achieve half of what he has in sports. All the long hours of
training and hard work he has put in to get where he is today. I am
not sure what your line of work is, but there are very few peopel with
the talent and ability of mundine in this country. Ex footy star,
asked to play for Sydney Kings in basketball and now one of australias
best active boxers. He probably couldnt do your line of work, but how
many peopel in this country can do your line of work and how many
peopel in Australia can achieve what mundine has?? i think id put my
money with mundine on this one, what do you rekon?
> Why don't you go in the ring with Mundine if he's so shit
> > and useless.
>
> Assuming it is me you are referring to........you are an idiot!
I have been in the ring with mundine and he was kind enough to show me
a quick jab or two.
> You may even find that instead of knocking your sorry
> > ass out, he may even show you how punch properly.
>
> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> >
> > It was a great fight, the better boxer on the day won, get over it.
>
>
> Assuming it's me you're talking to, I'm over it and yes the better man on
> that night in 2006 won.
I wonder how you would of reacted if Green had won. Some how i doubt
it would be as humbled as you are now.
> > Danny Green was very gracious in defeat, and Mundine didn't rub it in
> > his face even after all that has been said.
>
> Just checking my watch to see how long it's going to be before he says
> something stupid to make the entire country hate him again.
Well if you have that much time on your hands then why not, keep
checking
> They both showed good
> > sportsmanship and both gave a great entertaining fight.
>
> Yep.
>
> You said
> > mundine would get his ass kicked, you were wrong, accept it and move
> > on.
>
> It's obviously someone else you were talking to because I never said that.
My comments were aimed at alot of what you said in previous posts,
however my posting was also target to other anti mundine haters, so
this probably was not aimed at your comments.
> Don't sit here attacking muslims, pretending to represent 50% of
> > australians of which i hope you are not and making comments like 6
> > years ago green would have won.
>
> Oh maybe it was me because anyone who makes a religious comment suggesting
> they were going to do it for his *muslim brothers* is asking for the
> argument to become religious. I don't believe anyone said anything about
> religion until HE did.
So what if he said hell do it for his muslim brothers, so what if hes
muslim. what do you have against muslims? i live in sydney, i have to
assume you do if your complaining about muslims cause if you dont then
you really have little reason to complain. you cant hate a religion
because some of the people use it inappropriatly, if that was the case
you should hate every religion seeing as in history it has been the
tool of choice to wage more wars and sway the masses.
> It's not 6 years ago, its now, green
> > challeneged mundine believeing he was up to the task, he underestimated
> > how much mundine has improved.
>
> Why didn't Mundine wait until Green was 35 or 36? It would have been so much
> easier then. If you recall back a few years ago it was MUNDINE who was bad
> mouthing GREEN and GREEN challenged MUNDINE to a fight for NO FEE. It was
> MUNDINE who used his NRL experience and sidestepped his way out of fighting
> GREEN for SIX YEARS!
Maybe because mundine didnt think he could win?? is that stupidity, or
is stupidty when you fight someone you dont believe you can beat.
Green would not have stepped into the ring with mundine if he DIDNT
feel as though he could win. So that argument is literally thrown out
of the window. Mundine and Green are 2 years apart in age, whats your
point here? are you telling me that at 33 green has a huge
disadvantage to mundine because mundine is 31?
> > If Green didnt feel as though he could have won this battle in front of
> > every australian he woudlnt have tried, so don't make exucses for Green
> > when he himself isn't trying to make excuses for being out classed.
>
> He thought he could win. Who made any excuses for him? He got beaten on the
> night by a better fighter.
>
>
> > Let me re-iterate, im almost embarrased to call myself Australian with
> > racist, simple minded idiots like yourself. I would be embarrassed if
> > i didn't know so many great Australians that make this country the best
> > on the planet.
>
> How the hell am I a racist? Did I say anything about justifying the 9/11
> attacks in New York? No I believe it was Mundine wasn't it? Did Danny Green
> say anything about winning this fight for his *christian* brothers? No I
> don't believe he did. On what I said earlier about MY experience with
> muslims living in my area, they are way over represented in just about every
> single serious crime involving violence. The sooner idiots like you stop
> hiding behind political correctness the better for this country.
Mate, im willing to bet ive had many more bitter experience with "lebs"
and other such muslims than you have. Does that mean that i hate all
muslims and slander them on public forums? Does that mean that i
generalise all muslims to be evil and hammer mundine because of a few
comments he made regarding religion. If you must know I am not muslim
nor am I religious. And I think its about time america coped some form
of retaliation for all the shit they have done to the middle east /
africa / indonesia. Obviosuly you know very little about world
affairs. No i dont belive that 4000 innocent peopel deserve to die
from the plane attacks.
Nor do i believe that the countless palestinians / iranians / iraqis /
indonesians / africans / japanese / vietnamese, etc should be killed
from actions that america have taken. Its a war, people die, now does
that make me an idiot? you going to sit there and slander me for
saying i think its about time america coped something back for all the
shit they have caused. Your obivously very pro US and very blinded by
what you see on american TV. thats right American TV seeing as all our
news is regulated by America.
Why dont you sit there and negate America for all the people its been
responcible for the deaths of? Let me guess, caues america isnt
responcible for any deaths, because channel 9 said so. You think
peopel just crash planes into buildings for no given reason? bit bored
today think ill go crash a plane into a building and take my life as
well as countless others. why dont you open your eyes and see what
Israel, i mean the 53rd state of america is doing. Explain to me again
why america tried to invade Vietnam? you think america invaded iraq to
liberate its people, hahahaha give me a break you moron...You think
america joined world war 2 to save the world, one of the reasons why
america became such a super power is because of all the arms they sold
to both sides of the war prior to their involvement. I could go on for
another 3 hours about how nice america has been whilst in the super
power position. Maybe you should talk to people who came from effected
countries about nice america is.
What mundine said was a rather stupid thing to say on public
television, no doubt, but if your telling me that you support america
and hate muslims cause of a few lebs then no offence but your the
ignorant / racist idiot, not him. I don't agree with political
correctness, but i also dont agree with simplistic racist view points.
I know alot of muslims that are very nice people you want to hate them
as well. Do you want to hate aboriginals because of all the
aboriginals in redfern that rob uni students on their way to sydney
uni? Do you want to hate all aussies becuase of the few rednecks you
get in penrith or some of the racist aussies you get in the gold coast?
Shane
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>
> Shane wrote:
>> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Mate of mine was at a pub watching the fight in Sutherland. He said there
>> was him and about three others going for Mundine. What does that tell
>> you?
>
> It doesnt really tell me much at all.
It tells me that he WAS there and only a few people were happy about Mundine
winning. Most Australians wanted Green to win it's as simple as that.
if your going to generalise
> based on "here say" from a few mates in a few pubs then i hardly think
> your word is credible on this matter.
What cave have you been living in?
You don't represent the majority
> of australians. 95% of my friends hate John Howard
Then 95% of your friends are fools. This country has *never* been in such
good hands before so I don't see that you or your friends have much
credability.
and have ever since
> hes been in power, yet the majority of australians obviously prefer him
> to any labour candidate.
Doesn't that tell you something? Most of your friends are clearly wrong when
it comes to what the majority really think yet you're arguing that these
same friends are representative of the true numbers who went for Mundine.
Too funny. :))
>
> In context to boxing, about 40% of my friends went for green, 20% were
> not overly fussed so long as it was a entertaining fight and the
> remainder (40%) went for mundine. Does this mean I should assume the
> whole of australia can be broken down into the same ratios of support
> for both boxers?
Your small group of friends is not representative of the rest of this
country.
Does this also mean i should assume that those who
> went for green hate mundine which none of my friends do!
I was going for Green but I don't think I hate Mundine. I just dislike the
guy and I think his antics are appalling. Lets see if you feel the same way
about him when he really starts showing up on a world stage and says
something stupid that makes you feel embarrassed to be an aussie.
>
>> Have you ever met
>> > mundine?
Nope but the guy I know from the club has.
>>
>> I'm not even sure whether you're talking to me or not because you've
>> snipped
>> everything else but your comments.
>>
>> have you ever talked to mundine?
No. I've never spoken to Green wither but I'm absolutely sure that he's a
really nice guy.
>>
>> Not Mundine or Green.
>
> Well if you must know, my twin brother is a journalist. He has
> interviewed green and the green camp when Fenech was greens coach. He
> has also interviewed mundines camp in redfern as well as mundine. I
> was fortunate enough to accompany him on this interview. Recently he
> interviewed Vella before his fight (second or third last undercard).
>
> Back then Green was the better boxer and my brother gladly pointed that
> out to me seeing as he had seen bother boxers spar and in action, etc.
Your brother the *journo* pointed that out to you by watching the fighters
spar?
> I can only talk of mundine, and lets get this straight, not for a
> second do i pretend to know mundine based on this one visitation but i
> will say this, mundine came across as a nice person who was only more
> than happy to be interviewed and have his photo taken etc.
So? That doesn't mean he's not an idiot does it?
>
> My twin brother back then was not working for a big newspaper or
> anything really (a uni assignment) like he is now. Mundine was not
> arrogant or uphimself or anythign that you appear to believe based on
> his media antics. He definatly was not a "bad person" who deserves to
> be compared to the likes of 2 of the worst known dictators in modern
> history.
I never *compared* him to them, I merely pointed out to you that these are
also two people I don't like that I haven't met before. Meeting a person
doesn't necessarily mean they automatically become likeable.
>
> He was very humble, and reminded me of "one of the boys". You can say
> what you want about him, and hate him as much you want thats your right
> as a human in a democratic country, but your comments are not based on
> fact, they are based on media hype, youve never even met either of the
> two boxers.
For starters, I don't HATE the guy, I just dislike him. Mundine did this all
by himself. If he had of come over as the nice guy that he *allegedly* is
then the entire country would have supported him instead of wanting to see
him fail so badly. I would have liked to have seen Danny Green win the fight
because I like him as a person and I don't like Mundine because of his mouth
and attitude.
> >> let me guess the answer to
>> > this would be NO?? maybe you should meet the man, talk to him and then
>> > judge him instead of blindly listening to what the media has to offer.
>>
>>
>> I've never met Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hilter or Saddam Hussein either but
>> I
>> know I don't like them. The *only* information you and I have ever heard
>> about these guys if what you've been told by the media so where does that
>> leave your argument?
>
> I'm not even going comment on the stupidity of this argument. Your
> comparing a boxer to the likes of hitler or suddam husain.
No I'm not. I simply said that these Are other people I don't like and I
don't have to meet them to know it.
And let me
> assure in regards to the Iraq war I don't listen to what the media has
> to offer, becaues i dont agree with the invasion of Iraq nor do i agree
> with half of what is presented by the media on this matter. Do you
> have any idea how regulated the media is by the American government?
> Do you believe what you see about the Iraq war is what is really going
> on over there, or not remotely bias to bush's neo-conservative cause.
You're getting a little deep for me right now. I do know that Mundine said a
really stupid thing about 9/11 and I know that he is a muslim and I also
know that he is extremely resentful about the treatment of aboriginal people
and the European settlement part of which I believe you'd be part of.
>
> Let me guess, according to you the palestinians are all murders and the
> jews are all saints??
Don't assume anything mate. I probably know more about middle eastern
history than you do.
Iran are full of terrorists who are about to
> nuke the whole world and America is the saviour of the planet? Cause
> of you follow the media so blindly as you suggest "The *only*
> information you and I have " then i suppose that would be your
> viewpoint, right?
You sound like a person who's spent a little too long at uni and think you
have all the answers. Don't assume that others aren't as up to speed as you
are.
>
>> On boxing, I don't like Zab Judah or Mundine for similar reasons. If I
>> was
>> American I'd be embarrassed by Judah and many aussies are embarrassed by
>> Mundine. Get over it, we don't all have to think like you do.
>
> I really wonder where abouts your from?? WA?? i dont know many aussies
> that are embarrased with mundine.
You have been living in a cave obviously. Just for the record, I live in
Sydney.
I know a number of aussies that
> think hes a bit outspoken and a number who may not even like half his
> comments, but i dont know a single aussie that would say they are
> embarrased by mundine. In fact when mundine fights against kessler i
> cant think of an aussie i know that wont want mundine to win, he is
> after all a talent from australia?
You need to get out more.
>
> When the world cup soccer begins are you going to be anti aussie cause
> some of our soccer stars have probably had cocaine or made stupid
> comments in the media abroad?
I can't recall any of our current socceroos being caught taking any drug or
indeed saying anything stupid like Mundine has.
Do you hate shane warne, or are you
> embarrased by shane warne for his off field antics to the extent that
> your embarrased by him and wont support him?
Not at all. Warnie has done nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned. If you're
alluding to his infidelity then he has committed no more a crime than
possibly 50% of married men here in Australia have. It's just that greedy,
publicity seeking pommy sluts can make good money from a guy as silly as
Warnie. Sorry to any Poms reading this but if you're a female who's earning
money from sleeping with someone then it's nothing less than prostitution.
these people represent my
> country and when they are competing under our flag I will take there
> side and hope they win.
>
> Not everyone has to think like me, nor have once suggested that. I am
> pleased that very few people i have come across think like you.
You really do need to get out more.
>
>> > Half the reason that last nights match was such a huge event is because
>> > of all the media hype that mundine has created with his outspoken
>> > antics.
>>
>> Yep. Mundine didn't do this to benefit anyone else but himself you know.
>> The
>> way you're talking Mundine did this to make Oz seem like a better place
>> or
>> something. This *huge* event you're talking about made very *few* people
>> very rich. My opinion is he did it to the deterrent of his own reputation
>> although many now see him as a much better boxer but hardly less an
>> idiot.
>
> What? Firslty when did I once suggest he fought this fight to benefit
> anyone? Secondly so what if he did this to make money?? isnt that what
> all boxers try to do??
Yep, but sometimes you must pay a price when putting bums on seats is done
as a result of demeaning others or saying stupid things.
isn't that what 95% of the work force work
> for?? money?? Is this even an argument or a pathetic attempt to state
> the obvious cause i can't see how what your saying is an attack on
> Mundine.
If I say that I'm going to rip your heart out and then eat your children to
promote a fight like some other idiot did then you can't expect people to
like you. It might sell lots of tickets and make the fighter that said it
lots of money but they can hardly complain later that they are not getting
the full support of the country when saying things like that turn people
off.
There is no way in hell I would step in the ring for free.
> And how can a boxing match ever benefit anyone accept by providing good
> entertainment?
Are you now suggesting that Danny Green and other professional fighters who
don't mouth off before a fight don't provide good entertainment? It sounds
like that's exactly what you're saying. That a nice guy who doesn't shoot
off at the mouth can't provide good entertainment.
>
> He did do this to make a buck and good on him for doing so. Green made
> some money out of this as well. In fact im sure both of them arranged
> this so they both would earn a good buck for this contesnt win, loose
> or draw, so what?
>
>> Do you honestly believe he does this for any other reason?
Good luck to him. Fact is, many people don't like him because he says stupid
things and has done for a long time.
>>
>> The reason was to line his own back pocket. That doesn't make me like him
>> anymore or less than I did before.
Good for you.
>
> Yes it was to line his own back pocket, so what are you telling me you
> wouldnt line your own back pocket if you were in his shoes? It's quite
> clear to me that there is nothing mundine could do to make you respect
> him, and believe me hes not trying. Hes the one that made a mint out
> of this fight, so whos the smart one, you or him? you think its a case
> of him having to be likable to you?
Lets see, Mundine going into what is essentially a battle between two people
and directly after Mundine snr made it a black and white issue. "I'm going
to do this for my muslim brothers".
Now if Green had of come out before this fight and said (knowing full well
that mundine is a muslim) "I'm going to do this for my christian brothers"
what would you have said then? What would the entire country have said about
it? Green would have been slammed by the same media people that you seem to
suggest are the ones conspiring to keep us in the dark. Why didn't this same
media make an issue of this comment?
That was an ugly comment to make prior to a *fight*. It was a comment that
was intended to air his belief that Christians don't have a right to be
here. He is filthy about European settlement and gave the very hand that fed
him years ago (NRL) a slap in the face by pulling out the race card when he
didn't get his way. That sucks big time! I don't like the guy.
>
>> > You hate this guy who youve never met so much that you even attack his
>> > sucessful NRL career?
I don't hate him. Oh, and stop twisting around what I've said making out I'm
attacking his NRL career. If you read the first line of the following
paragraph you will see that I said his career was *successful*!
>
>> It was successful. He was never as good as some of the other halves
>> playing
>> at the time though. How do you think Freddy Fittler and Laurie Daley (who
>> is
>> an aboriginal) felt when he came out and used the *race* card when he
>> wasn't
>> picked for rep duties?
>
> They probbaly didnt care near as much as what you seem to do.
I'm talking about Mundine shooting off his mouth suggesting he should have
been wearing their rep jumpers and the only reason he wasn't was because he
was black? I bet Fittler and Daley took that very well considering the
amount of training that they did and the hours spent honing their skills to
get to that stage.
In fact
> ill bet they were even barracking mundine in his boxing match. You
> seem alot more bitter towards mundine than people who even played along
> side him.
Hang on, you just said that you *bet* these people were barracking for him
which infers that you really don't know. Next line you make out that you
know what these people are less bitter towards Mundine than I am. How did
you come to this conclusion? BTW, you can't make people like Mundine just
because you do. I know *plenty* of people who dislike him and they have
every right to. These forums aren't just about agreeing with the general
consensus, they are about having your say.
From what i could tell of the footy show, all the footy
> players present that night were in full support of mundine.
He was a guest on a show and you expect one of the compares to say something
negative? :))
He has
> said some stupid comments in the past, some to add media hype and
> others for god knows what reason, so what?
Well the *what* is that some people won't like it and for that reason they
won't like him. That's their prerogative.
>
> Hes a footy player not a journalist. how many NRL footy players have
> you heard make intellegent comments?
I never said anything about stupid comments as an NRL player. That is par
for the course although times are changing in that regard. What I did say
about his comments as a NRL player is that they were racist. The really
stupid comments came later as a boxer.
there not employed for the
> ability to speak and are generally not the most educated people, get
> over it. And if your going to rebut this comment with Union players
> you can throw that in bin as well seeing as most union players come
> from private school and are quite well educated.
Go have a lay down. You are barking up the wrong tree once again. It's a
pity that you are showing signs of being an accomplished NRL player by your
ability to follow the conversation properly.
> >> Id love to see you achieve half what mundine has
>> > in sports.
>>
>> I'd like to see Mundine be as successful as I am at what I do. What sort
>> of
>> stupid comment is that?
>
> Its very easy to critisise from the side lines isnt it now, why dont
> you try achieve half of what he has in sports.
Hey now that you mention it, I have represented NSW in two sports. Mundine
hasn't :)))) But we know why that is, it's because he's black. He told us so
remember.
All the long hours of
> training and hard work he has put in to get where he is today. I am
> not sure what your line of work is, but there are very few peopel with
> the talent and ability of mundine in this country. Ex footy star,
> asked to play for Sydney Kings in basketball and now one of australias
> best active boxers. He probably couldnt do your line of work, but how
> many peopel in this country can do your line of work and how many
> peopel in Australia can achieve what mundine has?? i think id put my
> money with mundine on this one, what do you rekon?
I have no idea where you're going with this. Nobody in here has ever
questioned the guys talent as an athlete. You sound like you really need to
have a chat with your journo brother and learn a little about following the
script. At the moment you're out with the pixies.
>
>> Why don't you go in the ring with Mundine if he's so shit
>> > and useless.
>>
>> Assuming it is me you are referring to........you are an idiot!
>
> I have been in the ring with mundine and he was kind enough to show me
> a quick jab or two.
I don't want to know about how you were punched in the ring by Mundine. I
also didn't need to know that Anthony was a two-stroke man either.
>
>> You may even find that instead of knocking your sorry
>> > ass out, he may even show you how punch properly.
>>
>> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>> >
>> > It was a great fight, the better boxer on the day won, get over it.
>>
>>
>> Assuming it's me you're talking to, I'm over it and yes the better man on
>> that night in 2006 won.
>
> I wonder how you would of reacted if Green had won. Some how i doubt
> it would be as humbled as you are now.
If Danny Green had of stood over Mundine and given him the cut-throat
gesture while he was still laying hurt or said he won the fight for his
*Christian brothers* or something as stupid and hateful as that in any of
his fights then I'd be saying exactly the same things about him. Danny would
have lost about 80-90% of his support which is about the same ratio of lost
support for Mundine. See, it's all even whether you're black or white.
>
>> > Danny Green was very gracious in defeat, and Mundine didn't rub it in
>> > his face even after all that has been said.
>>
>> Just checking my watch to see how long it's going to be before he says
>> something stupid to make the entire country hate him again.
>
> Well if you have that much time on your hands then why not, keep
> checking
I read the papers every day....I'm sure I'll be reading about something
stupid he's said any day now.
>
>> They both showed good
>> > sportsmanship and both gave a great entertaining fight.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> You said
>> > mundine would get his ass kicked, you were wrong, accept it and move
>> > on.
>>
>> It's obviously someone else you were talking to because I never said
>> that.
>
> My comments were aimed at alot of what you said in previous posts,
> however my posting was also target to other anti mundine haters, so
> this probably was not aimed at your comments.
Thank you. I thought Mundine was probably going to win if the truth be
known.
>
>> Don't sit here attacking muslims, pretending to represent 50% of
>> > australians of which i hope you are not and making comments like 6
>> > years ago green would have won.
>>
>> Oh maybe it was me because anyone who makes a religious comment
>> suggesting
>> they were going to do it for his *muslim brothers* is asking for the
>> argument to become religious. I don't believe anyone said anything about
>> religion until HE did.
>
> So what if he said hell do it for his muslim brothers, so what if hes
> muslim. what do you have against muslims?
FFS.............wake up Australia. You are the very type of person who would
be jumping up and down if the shoe was on the other foot. Imagine if the
reverse was true about something Green said about Christians?
i live in sydney, i have to
> assume you do if your complaining about muslims cause if you dont then
> you really have little reason to complain. you cant hate a religion
> because some of the people use it inappropriatly, if that was the case
> you should hate every religion seeing as in history it has been the
> tool of choice to wage more wars and sway the masses.
Yeah except that Christians have become more accepting over the years and
apparently very naive. I happen to know more than enough about this kind of
history and the history of wars fuelled by religious hatred (stupidity). It
is for these reasons that I think making *any* reference to religion prior
to a fight is a hateful thing to do.
BTW, I'm an atheist.
>
>> It's not 6 years ago, its now, green
>> > challeneged mundine believeing he was up to the task, he underestimated
>> > how much mundine has improved.
>>
>> Why didn't Mundine wait until Green was 35 or 36? It would have been so
>> much
>> easier then. If you recall back a few years ago it was MUNDINE who was
>> bad
>> mouthing GREEN and GREEN challenged MUNDINE to a fight for NO FEE. It was
>> MUNDINE who used his NRL experience and sidestepped his way out of
>> fighting
>> GREEN for SIX YEARS!
>
> Maybe because mundine didnt think he could win?? is that stupidity, or
> is stupidty when you fight someone you dont believe you can beat.
> Green would not have stepped into the ring with mundine if he DIDNT
> feel as though he could win. So that argument is literally thrown out
> of the window. Mundine and Green are 2 years apart in age, whats your
> point here? are you telling me that at 33 green has a huge
> disadvantage to mundine because mundine is 31?
3 years difference I believe.
>
>> > If Green didnt feel as though he could have won this battle in front of
>> > every australian he woudlnt have tried, so don't make exucses for Green
>> > when he himself isn't trying to make excuses for being out classed.
>>
>> He thought he could win. Who made any excuses for him? He got beaten on
>> the
>> night by a better fighter.
>>
>>
>> > Let me re-iterate, im almost embarrased to call myself Australian with
>> > racist, simple minded idiots like yourself. I would be embarrassed if
>> > i didn't know so many great Australians that make this country the best
>> > on the planet.
>>
>> How the hell am I a racist? Did I say anything about justifying the 9/11
>> attacks in New York? No I believe it was Mundine wasn't it? Did Danny
>> Green
>> say anything about winning this fight for his *christian* brothers? No I
>> don't believe he did. On what I said earlier about MY experience with
>> muslims living in my area, they are way over represented in just about
>> every
>> single serious crime involving violence. The sooner idiots like you stop
>> hiding behind political correctness the better for this country.
>
> Mate, im willing to bet ive had many more bitter experience with "lebs"
> and other such muslims than you have.
I can almost guarantee you that you're wrong there. 100% wrong. If you want
me to elaborate on that I can privately but I will assure you that it's
highly unlikely that you have.
Does that mean that i hate all
> muslims and slander them on public forums?
How is it slander if I'm only repeating what the original author said? Seems
that when it's coming out of my mouth it's racist but when Mundine says it
publicly it's ok?
Does that mean that i
> generalise all muslims to be evil and hammer mundine because of a few
> comments he made regarding religion.
Who's generalising?
If you must know I am not muslim
> nor am I religious.
Me either. Until there is any hard evidence that a god exists then he/she is
in the same category as the tooth fairy.
But in saying that, I have seen how people that do believe in him/her are
willing to do some very stupid things to appease this thing called God.
Suggesting that one is going to win a battle on behalf of a certain type of
believer can only lead down one path.
And I think its about time america coped some form
> of retaliation for all the shit they have done to the middle east /
> africa / indonesia. Obviosuly you know very little about world
> affairs. No i dont belive that 4000 innocent peopel deserve to die
> from the plane attacks.
There is a lot more to it than coming out and simply saying innocent people
didn't deserve to die. Innocent were dying and in the future more were going
to die.
>
> Nor do i believe that the countless palestinians / iranians / iraqis /
> indonesians / africans / japanese / vietnamese, etc should be killed
> from actions that america have taken. Its a war, people die, now does
> that make me an idiot? you going to sit there and slander me for
> saying i think its about time america coped something back for all the
> shit they have caused. Your obivously very pro US and very blinded by
> what you see on american TV. thats right American TV seeing as all our
> news is regulated by America.
I see where I could have been wrong. You obviously have a cable TV station
that I don't get because the only foreign TV coverage I've been getting from
that part of the world is the ones where wanted terrorists are hiding in
caves and are broadcasting their deluded ideals to their *muslim brothers*.
Of course there's also the broadcasts that go on air that carry no
suitability ratings for children that may be watching where foreigners are
having their heads cut off.
Then again it's probably more entertaining than Big Butcher (uncut) or
Gilligans Fatwa.
>
> Why dont you sit there and negate America for all the people its been
> responcible for the deaths of? Let me guess, caues america isnt
> responcible for any deaths, because channel 9 said so. You think
> peopel just crash planes into buildings for no given reason?
Can't help but notice that this has very little to do with boxing any more?
bit bored
> today think ill go crash a plane into a building and take my life as
> well as countless others. why dont you open your eyes and see what
> Israel, i mean the 53rd state of america is doing.
Or is that Israel the original inhabitants of the area known as Israel?
Explain to me again
> why america tried to invade Vietnam? you think america invaded iraq to
> liberate its people, hahahaha give me a break you moron...You think
> america joined world war 2 to save the world, one of the reasons why
> america became such a super power is because of all the arms they sold
> to both sides of the war prior to their involvement. I could go on for
> another 3 hours about how nice america has been whilst in the super
> power position. Maybe you should talk to people who came from effected
> countries about nice america is.
You're losing me. Tell me, how long did you spend at uni?
>
> What mundine said was a rather stupid thing to say on public
> television, no doubt, but if your telling me that you support america
> and hate muslims cause of a few lebs then no offence but your the
> ignorant / racist idiot, not him.
Are you through putting words into other peoples mouths?
I don't agree with political
> correctness, but i also dont agree with simplistic racist view points.
I have no idea where you're going with this.
> I know alot of muslims that are very nice people you want to hate them
> as well.
There you go again.
Do you want to hate aboriginals because of all the
> aboriginals in redfern that rob uni students on their way to sydney
> uni?
And again. BTW, I was married to an aboriginal gal.
Do you want to hate all aussies becuase of the few rednecks you
> get in penrith or some of the racist aussies you get in the gold coast?
Phew.......made it to the last line. Thank f&%# for that.
Perce
>
> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Shane wrote:
>>> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Mate of mine was at a pub watching the fight in Sutherland. He said
>>> there
>>> was him and about three others going for Mundine. What does that tell
>>> you?
>>
>> It doesnt really tell me much at all.
>
> It tells me that he WAS there and only a few people were happy about
> Mundine winning. Most Australians wanted Green to win it's as simple as
> that.
>
>
> if your going to generalise
>> based on "here say" from a few mates in a few pubs then i hardly think
>> your word is credible on this matter.
>
> What cave have you been living in?
>
> You don't represent the majority
>> of australians. 95% of my friends hate John Howard
>
> Then 95% of your friends are fools. This country has *never* been in such
> good hands before so I don't see that you or your friends have much
> credability.
>
Ker-ching! Which proves in a stroke that Shane is as much of a dill when it
comes to politics as he is when he spouts off on boxing or rugby league.
(snip)
>> Its very easy to critisise from the side lines isnt it now, why dont
>> you try achieve half of what he has in sports.
>
> Hey now that you mention it, I have represented NSW in two sports. Mundine
> hasn't :)))) But we know why that is, it's because he's black. He told us
> so remember.
>
Well, obviously one of those sports is competitive wanking - but please
enlighten us re the other.
(snip more tedious shit from Shanus)
Shane
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>
> "Shane" <shan...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> <kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
Jack Lamb
So, what was the second sport?
Chris Parslow
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Plonking, obviously.
And he certainly seems to possess talent as a plonker...
CP
Chad Goodin
]It does not change the fact that Mundine is a
Hold on there mate - you're actually accusing Mundine of being a tosser?
Isn't that a bit over the top? That's unnecessarily harsh criticism -
don't you think? (heh)
Blairomatic
> It seems as if Danny Greens time has come and gone, but a rematch will
> happen if they can get a similar purse to the one they shared in this
> fight.
No rematch. It's over.
Choc would finish a second fight much sooner.
There was talk that it would be in Perth, Green's hometown of course.
It's not safe for Mundine to fight there as the crowd would be in a
frenzy and look what happened last time.
However I don't think it's a sellable fight, the Australian public have
seen enough and Greens mystique is shot to pieces.
We can't go forward with Green anymore, only back.
His backer's won't let go of the dream of having this fight happen
several years ago, but that was unrealistic as Choc had just hung up
his footy boots and was trying out this new sport of boxing, whereas
Green was a hardened Olympian.
Green's had his shot and lost badly, almost embarassingly so and it's
time to let go and move forward.
We can only do this with Anthony Mundine. If anyone still doesn't like
him then feel free to tune in to watch him get beat. However no matter
what any of his detractors say, they will never change the fact that he
was outclassed and humiliated the night he finally met 'The Man'.
Blair
kishan....@gmail.com
> It tells me that he WAS there and only a few people were happy about Mundine
> winning. Most Australians wanted Green to win it's as simple as that.
so based on one or two pubs we now have a census of Australia. did you
hear that ABS you can save an administrative fortune as welll has a few
trees, go to a couple of pubs dont issue questionaires.
> What cave have you been living in?
The same cave that bush smoked bin laden out of, you know that cave
that doesnt exist?
> You don't represent the majority
> > of australians. 95% of my friends hate John Howard
>
> Then 95% of your friends are fools. This country has *never* been in such
> good hands before so I don't see that you or your friends have much
> credability.
my friends opinion of John Howard has absolutely nothign to do with
peter costellos ability to manage the budget, etc. It has to do with
Howards ass kissing foreign policies. I used to vote for howard as
well prior to the last election when I did a donkey vote in protest of
Howards pathatic foreign policy...do you agree with joining the
invasion of iraq and handing afganistan back to drug lords?
> and have ever since
> > hes been in power, yet the majority of australians obviously prefer him
> > to any labour candidate.
>
> Doesn't that tell you something? Most of your friends are clearly wrong when
> it comes to what the majority really think yet you're arguing that these
> same friends are representative of the true numbers who went for Mundine.
> Too funny. :))
I never insuated that my friends were a representation of the
Australias preference in the boxing, i merely cited an example of
ratios that were against the majority of australians goign against
mundine...
"In context to boxing, about 40% of my friends went for green, 20% were
> > not overly fussed so long as it was a entertaining fight and the
> > remainder (40%) went for mundine. Does this mean I should assume the
> > whole of australia can be broken down into the same ratios of support
> > for both boxers?"
so when have i stated that my circle of friends are a represenation of
Australia? if anything im suggesting what your implying would be the
same as me impying the above. i.e. Im suggesting quite the opposite
that you cant generalise the whole of australia based on such a small
sample of people!!
> >
> > In context to boxing, about 40% of my friends went for green, 20% were
> > not overly fussed so long as it was a entertaining fight and the
> > remainder (40%) went for mundine. Does this mean I should assume the
> > whole of australia can be broken down into the same ratios of support
> > for both boxers?
>
>
> Your small group of friends is not representative of the rest of this
> country.
indeed they are not, as either are yours!
> Does this also mean i should assume that those who
> > went for green hate mundine which none of my friends do!
>
> I was going for Green but I don't think I hate Mundine. I just dislike the
> guy and I think his antics are appalling. Lets see if you feel the same way
> about him when he really starts showing up on a world stage and says
> something stupid that makes you feel embarrassed to be an aussie.
You can tone down your sentiments of mundine as dislike, but to someone
reading your posts they very much come across as hatred.
> >
> >> Have you ever met
> >> > mundine?
>
> Nope but the guy I know from the club has.
Well ive met the guy once myself, i also have a friend that acutally
knows mundine on a more personal level and hes told me stories of
mundine playing footy with a group of kids to make there day and other
such thinigs like that. my point isnt that mundine is an angel, its
more so that you can't completely judge the man based on media antics.
> >>
> >> I'm not even sure whether you're talking to me or not because you've
> >> snipped
> >> everything else but your comments.
> >>
> >> have you ever talked to mundine?
>
> No. I've never spoken to Green wither but I'm absolutely sure that he's a
> really nice guy.
he probbaly is!
> >>
> >> Not Mundine or Green.
> >
> > Well if you must know, my twin brother is a journalist. He has
> > interviewed green and the green camp when Fenech was greens coach. He
> > has also interviewed mundines camp in redfern as well as mundine. I
> > was fortunate enough to accompany him on this interview. Recently he
> > interviewed Vella before his fight (second or third last undercard).
> >
> > Back then Green was the better boxer and my brother gladly pointed that
> > out to me seeing as he had seen bother boxers spar and in action, etc.
>
> Your brother the *journo* pointed that out to you by watching the fighters
> spar?
no by watching both of them spar and train seperately he got the
impression that green back then was a better boxer
>
> > I can only talk of mundine, and lets get this straight, not for a
> > second do i pretend to know mundine based on this one visitation but i
> > will say this, mundine came across as a nice person who was only more
> > than happy to be interviewed and have his photo taken etc.
>
> So? That doesn't mean he's not an idiot does it?
it means that he was happy to take time out of his routine to let some
unknown person interview him, i can't speak for all atheletes but
someone with a big ego who was an asshole may not have given my brother
the opportunity.
> >
> > My twin brother back then was not working for a big newspaper or
> > anything really (a uni assignment) like he is now. Mundine was not
> > arrogant or uphimself or anythign that you appear to believe based on
> > his media antics. He definatly was not a "bad person" who deserves to
> > be compared to the likes of 2 of the worst known dictators in modern
> > history.
>
>
> I never *compared* him to them, I merely pointed out to you that these are
> also two people I don't like that I haven't met before. Meeting a person
> doesn't necessarily mean they automatically become likeable.
i still feel as though you used a very controversial example to proove
your point
> >
> > He was very humble, and reminded me of "one of the boys". You can say
> > what you want about him, and hate him as much you want thats your right
> > as a human in a democratic country, but your comments are not based on
> > fact, they are based on media hype, youve never even met either of the
> > two boxers.
>
> For starters, I don't HATE the guy, I just dislike him. Mundine did this all
> by himself. If he had of come over as the nice guy that he *allegedly* is
> then the entire country would have supported him instead of wanting to see
> him fail so badly. I would have liked to have seen Danny Green win the fight
> because I like him as a person and I don't like Mundine because of his mouth
> and attitude.
and your entitled to that opinion of him, once i again i just suggest
that before pre-judging people to the degree you came across in (with
your previous posts) you should possibly hold judgement until you have
more concrete evidence of there persona, not what the media tells you.
Id love to see the media do a story about some good that mundine has
done, they wont do this, it doesnt sell papers!!
>
> > >> let me guess the answer to
> >> > this would be NO?? maybe you should meet the man, talk to him and then
> >> > judge him instead of blindly listening to what the media has to offer.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've never met Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hilter or Saddam Hussein either but
> >> I
> >> know I don't like them. The *only* information you and I have ever heard
> >> about these guys if what you've been told by the media so where does that
> >> leave your argument?
> >
> > I'm not even going comment on the stupidity of this argument. Your
> > comparing a boxer to the likes of hitler or suddam husain.
>
> No I'm not. I simply said that these Are other people I don't like and I
> don't have to meet them to know it.
>
> And let me
> > assure in regards to the Iraq war I don't listen to what the media has
> > to offer, becaues i dont agree with the invasion of Iraq nor do i agree
> > with half of what is presented by the media on this matter. Do you
> > have any idea how regulated the media is by the American government?
> > Do you believe what you see about the Iraq war is what is really going
> > on over there, or not remotely bias to bush's neo-conservative cause.
>
> You're getting a little deep for me right now. I do know that Mundine said a
> really stupid thing about 9/11 and I know that he is a muslim and I also
> know that he is extremely resentful about the treatment of aboriginal people
> and the European settlement part of which I believe you'd be part of.
your basing this yet again on a few media outbursts
> >
> > Let me guess, according to you the palestinians are all murders and the
> > jews are all saints??
>
> Don't assume anything mate. I probably know more about middle eastern
> history than you do.
well if you do then why are you so pro US?
>
> Iran are full of terrorists who are about to
> > nuke the whole world and America is the saviour of the planet? Cause
> > of you follow the media so blindly as you suggest "The *only*
> > information you and I have " then i suppose that would be your
> > viewpoint, right?
>
> You sound like a person who's spent a little too long at uni and think you
> have all the answers. Don't assume that others aren't as up to speed as you
> are.
I didnt study an arts degree?? so how is this relevant?
> >
> >> On boxing, I don't like Zab Judah or Mundine for similar reasons. If I
> >> was
> >> American I'd be embarrassed by Judah and many aussies are embarrassed by
> >> Mundine. Get over it, we don't all have to think like you do.
> >
> > I really wonder where abouts your from?? WA?? i dont know many aussies
> > that are embarrased with mundine.
>
> You have been living in a cave obviously. Just for the record, I live in
> Sydney.
so was bin laden didnt you know
> I know a number of aussies that
> > think hes a bit outspoken and a number who may not even like half his
> > comments, but i dont know a single aussie that would say they are
> > embarrased by mundine. In fact when mundine fights against kessler i
> > cant think of an aussie i know that wont want mundine to win, he is
> > after all a talent from australia?
>
> You need to get out more.
my liver and lungs would beg to differ with you on that one!
> >
> > When the world cup soccer begins are you going to be anti aussie cause
> > some of our soccer stars have probably had cocaine or made stupid
> > comments in the media abroad?
>
> I can't recall any of our current socceroos being caught taking any drug or
> indeed saying anything stupid like Mundine has.
starts with a B ends with a ICH
> Do you hate shane warne, or are you
> > embarrased by shane warne for his off field antics to the extent that
> > your embarrased by him and wont support him?
>
> Not at all. Warnie has done nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned. If you're
> alluding to his infidelity then he has committed no more a crime than
> possibly 50% of married men here in Australia have. It's just that greedy,
> publicity seeking pommy sluts can make good money from a guy as silly as
> Warnie. Sorry to any Poms reading this but if you're a female who's earning
> money from sleeping with someone then it's nothing less than prostitution.
many would regard what warnie did as worse than what mundine said, its
all a matter of perspective, personally i dont have an issue with what
warnie did.
> these people represent my
> > country and when they are competing under our flag I will take there
> > side and hope they win.
> >
> > Not everyone has to think like me, nor have once suggested that. I am
> > pleased that very few people i have come across think like you.
>
> You really do need to get out more.
id love to but after 5 years of clubbing 3 - 4 nights a week i dont
think my body can take it anymore.
> >> > Half the reason that last nights match was such a huge event is because
> >> > of all the media hype that mundine has created with his outspoken
> >> > antics.
> >>
> >> Yep. Mundine didn't do this to benefit anyone else but himself you know.
> >> The
> >> way you're talking Mundine did this to make Oz seem like a better place
> >> or
> >> something. This *huge* event you're talking about made very *few* people
> >> very rich. My opinion is he did it to the deterrent of his own reputation
> >> although many now see him as a much better boxer but hardly less an
> >> idiot.
> >
> > What? Firslty when did I once suggest he fought this fight to benefit
> > anyone? Secondly so what if he did this to make money?? isnt that what
> > all boxers try to do??
>
> Yep, but sometimes you must pay a price when putting bums on seats is done
> as a result of demeaning others or saying stupid things.
well hes doing pretty good for a bum isnt he now. bums are making
acomebacck in this world
> isn't that what 95% of the work force work
> > for?? money?? Is this even an argument or a pathetic attempt to state
> > the obvious cause i can't see how what your saying is an attack on
> > Mundine.
>
> If I say that I'm going to rip your heart out and then eat your children to
> promote a fight like some other idiot did then you can't expect people to
> like you. It might sell lots of tickets and make the fighter that said it
> lots of money but they can hardly complain later that they are not getting
> the full support of the country when saying things like that turn people
> off.
hahahahaha show me the evidence of mundine saying that, personally if
someone said that to me id be laughing before taking offence, you need
to lighten up a little!
> There is no way in hell I would step in the ring for free.
> > And how can a boxing match ever benefit anyone accept by providing good
> > entertainment?
>
> Are you now suggesting that Danny Green and other professional fighters who
> don't mouth off before a fight don't provide good entertainment? It sounds
> like that's exactly what you're saying. That a nice guy who doesn't shoot
> off at the mouth can't provide good entertainment.
im saying that mundine has mouthed off and hes probably richer for it,
get over it...you dont have to try and counteract everything i say by
using the opposite argument in context to green, i like green very much
and have nothing but repsect for him...your either running out of
arguments or looking way too deep into what i say
> >
> > He did do this to make a buck and good on him for doing so. Green made
> > some money out of this as well. In fact im sure both of them arranged
> > this so they both would earn a good buck for this contesnt win, loose
> > or draw, so what?
> >
> >> Do you honestly believe he does this for any other reason?
>
> Good luck to him. Fact is, many people don't like him because he says stupid
> things and has done for a long time.
i agree good luck to him!
> >>
> >> The reason was to line his own back pocket. That doesn't make me like him
> >> anymore or less than I did before.
>
> Good for you.
good for me indeed!
> >
> > Yes it was to line his own back pocket, so what are you telling me you
> > wouldnt line your own back pocket if you were in his shoes? It's quite
> > clear to me that there is nothing mundine could do to make you respect
> > him, and believe me hes not trying. Hes the one that made a mint out
> > of this fight, so whos the smart one, you or him? you think its a case
> > of him having to be likable to you?
>
>
> Lets see, Mundine going into what is essentially a battle between two people
> and directly after Mundine snr made it a black and white issue. "I'm going
> to do this for my muslim brothers".
>
> Now if Green had of come out before this fight and said (knowing full well
> that mundine is a muslim) "I'm going to do this for my christian brothers"
> what would you have said then? What would the entire country have said about
> it? Green would have been slammed by the same media people that you seem to
> suggest are the ones conspiring to keep us in the dark. Why didn't this same
> media make an issue of this comment?
>
> That was an ugly comment to make prior to a *fight*. It was a comment that
> was intended to air his belief that Christians don't have a right to be
> here. He is filthy about European settlement and gave the very hand that fed
> him years ago (NRL) a slap in the face by pulling out the race card when he
> didn't get his way. That sucks big time! I don't like the guy.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you really are reading way too much into
this!! so now you thikn mundine hates all christians hahahahahahaha.
no offence mate but mundine didnt once ask me what religion im from,
what natio i am or anything, he didnt care!
> >
> >> > You hate this guy who youve never met so much that you even attack his
> >> > sucessful NRL career?
>
> I don't hate him. Oh, and stop twisting around what I've said making out I'm
> attacking his NRL career. If you read the first line of the following
> paragraph you will see that I said his career was *successful*!
>
> >> It was successful. He was never as good as some of the other halves
> >> playing
> >> at the time though. How do you think Freddy Fittler and Laurie Daley (who
> >> is
> >> an aboriginal) felt when he came out and used the *race* card when he
> >> wasn't
> >> picked for rep duties?
> >
> > They probbaly didnt care near as much as what you seem to do.
>
> I'm talking about Mundine shooting off his mouth suggesting he should have
> been wearing their rep jumpers and the only reason he wasn't was because he
> was black? I bet Fittler and Daley took that very well considering the
> amount of training that they did and the hours spent honing their skills to
> get to that stage.
yeh im sure fitler and daley needed a few boxed of tissues after that,
all the sleep the poor lads must of lost
> In fact
> > ill bet they were even barracking mundine in his boxing match. You
> > seem alot more bitter towards mundine than people who even played along
> > side him.
>
> Hang on, you just said that you *bet* these people were barracking for him
> which infers that you really don't know. Next line you make out that you
> know what these people are less bitter towards Mundine than I am. How did
> you come to this conclusion? BTW, you can't make people like Mundine just
> because you do. I know *plenty* of people who dislike him and they have
> every right to. These forums aren't just about agreeing with the general
> consensus, they are about having your say.
how on earth am i supposed to know if they were barracking for them?
did i interview them, much i s the same argument for how you seem to
know the majority of australia dislike mundine? did you interview
them?? if nothing else your just prooving my point that one cant
generalise! As for i know they are less bitter than you, well mate
look at your posts, its not hard to be less bitter than you towards
mundine!
> From what i could tell of the footy show, all the footy
> > players present that night were in full support of mundine.
>
>
> He was a guest on a show and you expect one of the compares to say something
> negative? :))
they dont have to say negative comments to show there dislike of
mundine, i wont get into the importance of para-language in
communication as im sure you know. yes they wont mundine i hope you
loose but its not half obvious if they disliked mundine or barracked
green based on body language etc.
> He has
> > said some stupid comments in the past, some to add media hype and
> > others for god knows what reason, so what?
>
> Well the *what* is that some people won't like it and for that reason they
> won't like him. That's their prerogative.
like i said everyones entitlied to there own beliefs but to suggest
that what consistutes 90% of australia is a rather optermistic
assumption
> >
> > Hes a footy player not a journalist. how many NRL footy players have
> > you heard make intellegent comments?
>
> I never said anything about stupid comments as an NRL player. That is par
> for the course although times are changing in that regard. What I did say
> about his comments as a NRL player is that they were racist. The really
> stupid comments came later as a boxer.
> there not employed for the
> > ability to speak and are generally not the most educated people, get
> > over it. And if your going to rebut this comment with Union players
> > you can throw that in bin as well seeing as most union players come
> > from private school and are quite well educated.
>
> Go have a lay down. You are barking up the wrong tree once again. It's a
> pity that you are showing signs of being an accomplished NRL player by your
> ability to follow the conversation properly.
This basically suggests you have nothing more intellegent to say
> > >> Id love to see you achieve half what mundine has
> >> > in sports.
> >>
> >> I'd like to see Mundine be as successful as I am at what I do. What sort
> >> of
> >> stupid comment is that?
> >
> > Its very easy to critisise from the side lines isnt it now, why dont
> > you try achieve half of what he has in sports.
>
> Hey now that you mention it, I have represented NSW in two sports. Mundine
> hasn't :)))) But we know why that is, it's because he's black. He told us so
> remember.
hahahahahahaha right...so now your comparing yourself to mundine! im
not even goign to waste my time responding to that! by the way what
sports did you rep NSW in?
> All the long hours of
> > training and hard work he has put in to get where he is today. I am
> > not sure what your line of work is, but there are very few peopel with
> > the talent and ability of mundine in this country. Ex footy star,
> > asked to play for Sydney Kings in basketball and now one of australias
> > best active boxers. He probably couldnt do your line of work, but how
> > many peopel in this country can do your line of work and how many
> > peopel in Australia can achieve what mundine has?? i think id put my
> > money with mundine on this one, what do you rekon?
>
> I have no idea where you're going with this. Nobody in here has ever
> questioned the guys talent as an athlete. You sound like you really need to
> have a chat with your journo brother and learn a little about following the
> script. At the moment you're out with the pixies.
if you cant comprehend my point then i think you need to talk to my
brother and learn how to read. you made the point that your certain
mundine could not do your line of work. i made the point that im sure
more peopel are capable of doing your line of work than are capable of
reaching mudines ability as an athlete. was that really so hard?
> >
> >> Why don't you go in the ring with Mundine if he's so shit
> >> > and useless.
> >>
> >> Assuming it is me you are referring to........you are an idiot!
> >
> > I have been in the ring with mundine and he was kind enough to show me
> > a quick jab or two.
>
>
> I don't want to know about how you were punched in the ring by Mundine. I
> also didn't need to know that Anthony was a two-stroke man either.
you dont seem to want to know anything that opposed your opinion
> >
> >> You may even find that instead of knocking your sorry
> >> > ass out, he may even show you how punch properly.
> >>
> >> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >>
> >> >
> >> > It was a great fight, the better boxer on the day won, get over it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Assuming it's me you're talking to, I'm over it and yes the better man on
> >> that night in 2006 won.
> >
> > I wonder how you would of reacted if Green had won. Some how i doubt
> > it would be as humbled as you are now.
>
> If Danny Green had of stood over Mundine and given him the cut-throat
> gesture while he was still laying hurt or said he won the fight for his
> *Christian brothers* or something as stupid and hateful as that in any of
> his fights then I'd be saying exactly the same things about him. Danny would
> have lost about 80-90% of his support which is about the same ratio of lost
> support for Mundine. See, it's all even whether you're black or white.
i dont recall seeing muding give danny the cut throat gesture after he
won? whast your point
if green had said that i dont think anyone would of really cared accept
maybe muslims? if anything people may have laughed at green like
people did at mundine, so what?
> i live in sydney, i have to
> > assume you do if your complaining about muslims cause if you dont then
> > you really have little reason to complain. you cant hate a religion
> > because some of the people use it inappropriatly, if that was the case
> > you should hate every religion seeing as in history it has been the
> > tool of choice to wage more wars and sway the masses.
>
> Yeah except that Christians have become more accepting over the years and
> apparently very naive. I happen to know more than enough about this kind of
> history and the history of wars fuelled by religious hatred (stupidity). It
> is for these reasons that I think making *any* reference to religion prior
> to a fight is a hateful thing to do.
> BTW, I'm an atheist.
The vatican is still one of the most powerful institutions on the
planet that is still run by mafia to a certain degree. yes there are
no christian crusades anymore (not that there needs to be after all teh
damage that cause by the spanish, romans, etc, etc), but if you go to
america there are still very "un-accepting" christians that are rather
racist etc.
I dont think that mundine stating his comments was an attack on non
muslims, it was a silly comment but i didnt see it that way and im sure
many others would not have.
good to see your an atheist! so am i
> >
> >> It's not 6 years ago, its now, green
> >> > challeneged mundine believeing he was up to the task, he underestimated
> >> > how much mundine has improved.
> >>
> >> Why didn't Mundine wait until Green was 35 or 36? It would have been so
> >> much
> >> easier then. If you recall back a few years ago it was MUNDINE who was
> >> bad
> >> mouthing GREEN and GREEN challenged MUNDINE to a fight for NO FEE. It was
> >> MUNDINE who used his NRL experience and sidestepped his way out of
> >> fighting
> >> GREEN for SIX YEARS!
> >
> > Maybe because mundine didnt think he could win?? is that stupidity, or
> > is stupidty when you fight someone you dont believe you can beat.
> > Green would not have stepped into the ring with mundine if he DIDNT
> > feel as though he could win. So that argument is literally thrown out
> > of the window. Mundine and Green are 2 years apart in age, whats your
> > point here? are you telling me that at 33 green has a huge
> > disadvantage to mundine because mundine is 31?
>
> 3 years difference I believe.
either way my point still remains the same
> >
> >> > If Green didnt feel as though he could have won this battle in front of
> >> > every australian he woudlnt have tried, so don't make exucses for Green
> >> > when he himself isn't trying to make excuses for being out classed.
> >>
> >> He thought he could win. Who made any excuses for him? He got beaten on
> >> the
> >> night by a better fighter.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Let me re-iterate, im almost embarrased to call myself Australian with
> >> > racist, simple minded idiots like yourself. I would be embarrassed if
> >> > i didn't know so many great Australians that make this country the best
> >> > on the planet.
> >>
> >> How the hell am I a racist? Did I say anything about justifying the 9/11
> >> attacks in New York? No I believe it was Mundine wasn't it? Did Danny
> >> Green
> >> say anything about winning this fight for his *christian* brothers? No I
> >> don't believe he did. On what I said earlier about MY experience with
> >> muslims living in my area, they are way over represented in just about
> >> every
> >> single serious crime involving violence. The sooner idiots like you stop
> >> hiding behind political correctness the better for this country.
> >
> > Mate, im willing to bet ive had many more bitter experience with "lebs"
> > and other such muslims than you have.
>
> I can almost guarantee you that you're wrong there. 100% wrong. If you want
> me to elaborate on that I can privately but I will assure you that it's
> highly unlikely that you have.
I understand your sentiment towards certain dickheads that do exist in
the community. Sounds to me like youve had similar experiences to me
and i wont pretend that i dont prejudge lebs to a certain a degree
based on this. all im saying is that there are good muslims that i
know and that you cant say all are fucked based on those few dickhead
lebs.
Understand that its mainly the second genratiojn ones that are fucked.
One of my ex gfs migrated here from lebanon and she tells me that over
there there nothing like the idiots over here. even the lebaneses that
migrated from ther war torn country recently from what i can tell are
quite embarrased by the ones we are refering to in this post.
Not all muslims are bad either, in fact tha majority are not. they
dont like idiots blowing themsevels up as much we don't. the problem
is you dont see this becuase the media is so manipulative that all yuo
see day in and day out is hot headed idiots (fundamentalists) shooting
at soldiers and blowing things up (how convenient they show you the
anti US sentiminet from the smallest minority - they couldnt be trying
to add fuel to there arguemnt for starting the war? they couldnt be
trying to turn people against mulsims, nah theyd never do such a thing)
fact is that the majority of humans dont like war i can assure of you
of that regardless of there relgion, colour or whatever.
> Does that mean that i hate all
> > muslims and slander them on public forums?
>
> How is it slander if I'm only repeating what the original author said? Seems
> that when it's coming out of my mouth it's racist but when Mundine says it
> publicly it's ok?
>
>
> Does that mean that i
> > generalise all muslims to be evil and hammer mundine because of a few
> > comments he made regarding religion.
>
> Who's generalising?
>
>
> If you must know I am not muslim
> > nor am I religious.
>
> Me either. Until there is any hard evidence that a god exists then he/she is
> in the same category as the tooth fairy.
> But in saying that, I have seen how people that do believe in him/her are
> willing to do some very stupid things to appease this thing called God.
> Suggesting that one is going to win a battle on behalf of a certain type of
> believer can only lead down one path.
completely agree with you on this one!!!
i could have spent 20 years and it would make no difference, uni is
full of left winged idiots and thats ARTS, i didnt do arts, my brother
did though and even he had a field day arguing with the lefties
> >
> > What mundine said was a rather stupid thing to say on public
> > television, no doubt, but if your telling me that you support america
> > and hate muslims cause of a few lebs then no offence but your the
> > ignorant / racist idiot, not him.
>
> Are you through putting words into other peoples mouths?
>
>
> I don't agree with political
> > correctness, but i also dont agree with simplistic racist view points.
>
> I have no idea where you're going with this.
>
>
> > I know alot of muslims that are very nice people you want to hate them
> > as well.
>
> There you go again.
>
>
> Do you want to hate aboriginals because of all the
> > aboriginals in redfern that rob uni students on their way to sydney
> > uni?
>
> And again. BTW, I was married to an aboriginal gal.
>
>
> Do you want to hate all aussies becuase of the few rednecks you
> > get in penrith or some of the racist aussies you get in the gold coast?
>
>
> Phew.......made it to the last line. Thank f&%# for that.
yeh i cant be fucked rebutting the past 5 paragraphs eithert the soccer
is almost on, go AUSTRALIA!!@
Shane
<kishan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ill try to make this one a shorter rebuttal than the last
<the mother of all snipages>
>> Phew.......made it to the last line. Thank f&%# for that.
>
> yeh i cant be fucked rebutting the past 5 paragraphs eithert the soccer
> is almost on, go AUSTRALIA!!@
Shoddy game but at least they won.
>
Perce
Shanus, you still haven't told us the second sport you represented NSW in
(it's obvious that circle-jerking was the first one).
Shane
It's not surprising that you hang off every word I say Percy. Afterall,
nobody listens to you in any other news group do they? As soon as anyone
sees your name attached to any thread they know it's going to turn to shit.
BTW, follow me around from group to group if you like but don't expect me to
do the same. You won't find me loitering around in aus.bumlurkin where you
seem to frequent. Oh and try and learn something about football and boxing,
that way you might even be able to contribute something of value one day you
loser :)))))))
Perce
Riiiight - so I take it the two sports were circle-jerking and paranoiac
megalomania (lightweight division).
kishan....@gmail.com
not satisfied they gave us enough of a challenge for me to feel as
though we will make it past croatia. I'll tell you what though, the
team has improved ten fold since hiddink came along (who right now
would have to regarded as the best coach out there). I was at the
uruguay vs australia match and in the second half we played like a top
20 team.
We really should have got another or two against greece, i feel our
movement of the ball is pretty good but we still need more scoring
power. Teams like croatia would have put away another chance or two in
a match like that and this could be all the difference between us
making it or them making it.
I think the game against holland will really be the true test of how
australia can perform in the world cup!! and this game happens to be
on my birthday, australia had better win that or at least put up a good
fight!!
Shane
I can't help but notice that you seem to know a lot about this sport called
*circle jerking* Percy. Do tell?