WBC says Roy Jones was **NOT** forced to fight Frazier
Marty & Boxing Wise
"They said that Frazier was the mandatory defense of the WBC, and that
the WBC forced Jones into the fight and threatened to strip him of his
title if he did not comply. Frazier was ranked No. 1 by the WBC, a
fact for which I said I was embarrassed and took full responsibility.
But the WBC never ordered a mandatory defense for Jones versus Frazier
and never threatened to strip him of the title. In fact, the fight was
first announced as being only for the WBA light heavyweight title,
which Jones also holds. The WBC only approved the fight a week before
it took place and never before. The decision to fight Frazier was made
voluntarily by Jones' representatives and HBO."
HMMM? For all those who say Roy HAS to fight thenumber 1 contenders,
remember he had no problems giving away the WBC belt when he had to
fight Michael Nunn so he should have no problem the next time a
organization tries to make him fight another stiff. No more excuses it
is time for him to fight Michaelzewski. I think Roy is one of the 3
best boxers in the world talent wise but needs to fight the best.
Keep Punching
Marty
Editor of the Boxing Wise websight
http://members.tripod.com/~fivedogs/
Michael Haught
information be confirmed?
When it comes to a credibility contest between Jose Sulamain and Roy (I have
the desire back, I'm going to fight Buster Douglas, I'm going to clean out the
division, I'm going to fight 4-5 times this year) Jones Jr...well, I don't
know who wins.
-mwh
Marty & Boxing Wise (four...@idt.net) wrote:
: Here is the statement put out by Jose Suliman
: Keep Punching
: Marty
--
-mwh
Constantin Hofmann
that Roy Jones should eventually fight Dariusz Michalczewski. He simply
cannot keep away from that fight forever.
In my opinion Dariusz Michalczweski is the best boxer in his weight class
and if Roy Jones continues to deny that he should have the courage and prove
that he is better. Michalczweski is ready for it. Money can't be the reason
not to make this fight...
Constantin Hofmann
Tejay Schwartz
thought that was the entire idea of having them. man, this gives them
even less credibility, and yet one more reason why all "champions"
should just throw away there belts and forget about all the alphabet
groups.
Tejay "Bermuda" Schwartz
The Sanity Cruzer
>HMMM? For all those who say Roy HAS to fight thenumber 1 contenders,
>remember he had no problems giving away the WBC belt when he had to
>fight Michael Nunn so he should have no problem the next time a
>organization tries to make him fight another stiff.
True. Maybe he decided it wasn't worth it to give away a title again. And
didn't he end up getting his title back with out fighting for it?
>No more excuses it
>is time for him to fight Michaelzewski. I think Roy is one of the 3
>best boxers in the world talent wise but needs to fight the best.
Agreed. It was one thing to fight Del Valle, but Grant and then Frazier was
too much. IMO, it's up to HBO to put their foot down on this bullshit. I
think the rest of the boxing community is tiring of Roy's reluctance to
fight the best. Hell, if he wants to fight chumps, then he should make
chump change for his virtual exhibition bouts. Problem is, I don't know if
Jones will alter his behavior if the 'Johns' keep giving him their money.
TSC
The Sanity Cruzer
>Marty, the fact still remains that Roy Jones is simply the best.
That's an opinion, not a fact. That's a fact.
TSC
SDonat2313
Marty & Boxing Wise
Remeber there is a timeframe for him to defend his title against the
number 1. Perhaps the Jones still had 2 or 4 months left before he had
to fight a mandatory fight?
Keep Punching
Marty
Editor of the Boxing Wise websight
http://members.tripod.com/~fiveogs/
Marty & Boxing Wise
>Marty, the fact still remains that Roy Jones is simply the best.
I never said he wasnt? But if he does not fight he best there is no
way he should talk about being the best. He could have fought Nigel
Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, and others who were considered good
fighters and he never actively went after them. Now if he manages to
avoid Michaelzewski it is obvious a pattern is developing.
Marty & Boxing Wise
>didn't he end up getting his title back with out fighting for it?
Yes but he didnt have to fight the NEW interim champ to become the
champion again, how does that work?. Just thought I would point out
Jones' hypocrisy during the interview that he just beats the people
who the sanctioning bodies put in front of him, when he did not face
Nunn who the WBC told him to fight.
>Agreed. It was one thing to fight Del Valle, but Grant and then Frazier was
>too much. IMO, it's up to HBO to put their foot down on this bullshit. I
>think the rest of the boxing community is tiring of Roy's reluctance to
>fight the best. Hell, if he wants to fight chumps, then he should make
>chump change for his virtual exhibition bouts. Problem is, I don't know if
>Jones will alter his behavior if the 'Johns' keep giving him their money.
I agree about the money and I didnt really mind the Grant fight that
much since he is a class fighter and a lefty to boot. But Jones
managed to miss out on fighting Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve
Collins, all of whom could have been good tests. Just looks like a
pattern is deveolping here ha ha.
I never said he wasnt? But if he does not fight he best there is no
way he should talk about being the best. He could have fought Nigel
Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, and others who were considered good
fighters and he never actively went after them. Now if he manages to
avoid Michaelzewski it is obvious a pattern is developing.
Keep Punching
Marty
Editor of the Boxing Wise websight
http://members.tripod.com/~fiveogs/
> TSC
SDonat2313
when Jones easily beat Bernard Hopkins and demolished Virgil Hill with a body
shot. Roy Jones will go down as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever. Most
people don't give Jones the credit for moving up in weight. Answer me one
question? Has Jones ever been in a fight that he was even being challenged? Ali
and Sugar Ray Robinson were without a doubt GREAT fighters, but they both lost
a couple of times. Roy Jones never will lose, unless you count his DQ to
Montell Griffin, who he KOed in one round. Roy Jones has beat 3 future hall of
famers : James Toney, Mike McCallum, and Virgil Hill. Otis Grant and Montell
Griffin may one day be in the hall of fame too. In the middleweight and
supermiddleweight divisions, nobody ever had or will possess the power and
handspeed that Jones has. Michaelzewski has suspect defense and his footwork is
very poor. He would last maybe 10 rounds against a very focused Roy Jones.
Fabrice Tiozzo may extend Jones past 10, but he is too slow and would be all
busted up. Roy Jones could fight and beat Heavyweights like Michael Moorer,
Axel Shulz, Jimmy Thunder, Tim Witherspoon, and could very well get a points
win over Evander Holyfield. Al Cole, a respectable Heavyweight said Roy Jones
devestated him with a body shot. You know a lot about boxing, keep the replys
coming!!!!!
Brian
>I never said he wasnt? But if he does not fight he best there is no
>way he should talk about being the best. He could have fought Nigel
>Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, and others who were considered good
>fighters and he never actively went after them. Now if he manages to
>avoid Michaelzewski it is obvious a pattern is developing.
The pattern would seem to be that for some reason there's a problem with setting
up a fight between European fighters and Roy Jones Jr.
Michael Haught
: >Marty, the fact still remains that Roy Jones is simply the best.
: I never said he wasnt? But if he does not fight he best there is no
: way he should talk about being the best. He could have fought Nigel
: Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, and others who were considered good
: fighters and he never actively went after them. Now if he manages to
: avoid Michaelzewski it is obvious a pattern is developing.
: Keep Punching
: Marty
Continuing rather than developing.
--
-mwh
SDonat2313
Jones. Why should Jones go over there? Jones is the man, he makes the rules.
Now Collins will come to the USA, and he will wish he never wanted a piece of
Roy to begin with.
Michael Haught
: So your saying Roy Jones only beat one good fighter in James Toney? What about
: when Jones easily beat Bernard Hopkins and demolished Virgil Hill with a body
: shot.
opponents he faced at or near their peak. Hopkins and Toney were the only
two of those who could be considered as P4P entrants at the time of their
fights.
McCallum (several years past prime and between 15 and 20 lbs. past his
prime weight) and Vrigil Hill (5 years past his prime) were names for RJJ
to add to his resume at best.
: Roy Jones will go down as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever. Most
: people don't give Jones the credit for moving up in weight.
Not even close. RJJ went up in weight and fought the best fighter he
could find when he moved up from MW to SMW. He then fought Thomas Tate,
who was a good opponent. Moving up to LHW against McCallum was a joke and
a boring fight. Since he won the 175 lbs. title, RJJ has treaded water at
best. Has become a caricature of a champion at worst.
: Answer me one
: question? Has Jones ever been in a fight that he was even being challenged?
Yes he has. But he studiously avoids fighters who may pose challenges to
him. Not the kind of thing I would use to trumpet a fighter.
: Ali
: and Sugar Ray Robinson were without a doubt GREAT fighters, but they both lost
: a couple of times. Roy Jones never will lose, unless you count his DQ to
: Montell Griffin, who he KOed in one round. Roy Jones has beat 3 future hall of
: famers : James Toney, Mike McCallum, and Virgil Hill. Otis Grant and Montell
: Griffin may one day be in the hall of fame too.
Comparing Ali and Robinson to RJJ is a joke and an insult to fighters of
their eras. They, along with the elite fighters of their time, fought all
of the best of their eras along with the assorted lower tier fighters.
RJJ has not come close to that in any of his divisional stop-offs.
RJJ cannot carry the gym bag of the 1940s-60s warriors who had the courage to
face any and all opponents within 10-15 lbs. if they were to achieve any
recognition for their skills.
: In the middleweight and
: supermiddleweight divisions, nobody ever had or will possess the power and
: handspeed that Jones has.
That may be. And RJJ has not and never will achieve the glory of the
fighters who courageously faced any and all opponents. RJJ sure looks
good hitting the bag and sparring though.
: Michaelzewski has suspect defense and his footwork is
: very poor. He would last maybe 10 rounds against a very focused Roy Jones.
: Fabrice Tiozzo may extend Jones past 10, but he is too slow and would be all
: busted up.
What you say is very likely true. And he would probably outspeed and
overpower Michael Nunn. Fact is that he has avoided more top opponents
than he has fought. For a guy who has carried a title belt in his suitcase
as long as he has, there is no excuse for this.
Potential and achievement are two distinctly different entities. And RJJ
is rapidly passing through any area of potential he may have had.
: Roy Jones could fight and beat Heavyweights like Michael Moorer,
: Axel Shulz, Jimmy Thunder, Tim Witherspoon, and could very well get a points
: win over Evander Holyfield. Al Cole, a respectable Heavyweight said Roy Jones
: devestated him with a body shot. You know a lot about boxing, keep the replys
: coming!!!!!
Michael Moorer now at 300 lbs.? Or Michael Moorer in shape and focused. The
latter would KO RJJ because he carrys the weight better and is a southpaw.
Moorer probably had a better natural punch.
Thunder? A fringe contender at best. Who cares? Witherspoon? You'd
brag about a 40+ fighter who's last gasp was 2 years ago? A prime
Witherspoon KOs RJJ within 1-2 rounds. Holyfield? Give me a break! RJJ
would run like crazy until Evander showed him what happens when your
physical gifts are overmatched by another. RJJ would probably quit after
receiving a couple of rounds worth of beatings.
RJJ has passed the "shit or get off the pot stage." Right now he's strictly
into the salvage portion of his career. Years from now folks will be
talking about what he could have done as opposed to them saying what he
will do now.
--
-mwh
SDonat2313
has nothing to prove. James Toney was considered the best, and he also easily
beat the BEST Middleweight in the world (Hopkins). When Jones is focused, Sugar
Ray Robinson gets beat on points. How would Robinson handle the SPEED? He
couldnt. Roy Jones will win fighter of the year, simply because no Light HW can
come close to beating him. Otis Grant did move up in weight, true, but GRANT
will be a champ one day as will Lou Del Valle. Seems the people Jones easily
beats come right back and start winning. Jones has beat numerous champs and a
couple future Hall-Of-Famers. His greatness is already there.
Michael Haught
: Name me another Middleweight ever with the handspeed of Roy Jones? Roy Jones
RJJ defeats two fighters in their primes and all of the sudden he's the
best ever?!? Care to explain why RJJ has avoided top tier fighters in
their primes since Toney?
To speculate that Sugar Ray Robinson would lose on points to RJJ (with
each at their respective peaks -- at MW I prosume) in merely fantasy. SRR
did it all against all there were. RJJ has talked it all at best.
Does the phrase "Deeds not words" mean anything to you?
--
-mwh
SDonat2313
ever. You have your opinion and I have mine. Roy Jones is also a smarter man
outside the ring than Robinson was. Jones is also a better athlete than
Robinson was.
Thanks for the reply, keep them coming, I love this. :-)
Willow
SDonat2313 wrote:
> Name me another Middleweight ever with the handspeed of Roy Jones? Roy Jones
> has nothing to prove. James Toney was considered the best, and he also easily
> beat the BEST Middleweight in the world (Hopkins). When Jones is focused, Sugar
> Ray Robinson gets beat on points. How would Robinson handle the SPEED?
Robinson would have hunted Jones down in the ring. Robinson had no problems mixing
it up with fighters. Roy does have a problem with mixing it up with fighters. I
sure would have loved to see them fight at around 150 +/- 5 pounds
> He
> couldnt. Roy Jones will win fighter of the year, simply because no Light HW can
> come close to beating him. Otis Grant did move up in weight, true, but GRANT
> will be a champ one day as will Lou Del Valle.
Lou was champ and so was Otis(I think wbo)
> Seems the people Jones easily
> beats come right back and start winning. Jones has beat numerous champs and a
> couple future Hall-Of-Famers. His greatness is already there.
Roy's greatness is already there - sure, just ask Roy and he we tell you that
himself.
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 11:38 EST
>Message-id: <19990129113818...@ng-fr1.aol.com>
roy always talks about money, and the fights with eubank, benn, and collins
would have been much bigger in europe than in america. the others are correct,
there's a continuing pattern developing where roy is concerned. he's a great
fighter, but the way he picks opponents has been getting tiresome.
what i love is how roy brags about his time as middleweight champion, when he
only had one defense of the title while the rest of the year was spent on
non-title fights against scrubs for the most part.
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 14:51 EST
>Message-id: <19990129145138...@ng33.aol.com>
you love this? he's been countering everything you say, and all you end up
coming up with towards the end of the debate is opinions.
SDonat2313
has an opinion and I respect that. There is no winners or losers here, just
boxing conversation. So dont blow this up, ok?
If you wanna jump in and say something, then say it. But dont create no enemies
here.
Peace Out
Steve
SDonat2313
Not only does Jones talk about money, but he has more than EUBANK, COLLINS, and
BENN combined. Roy Jones is about much more than boxing. He is talented in
other things and deserves every penny he gets. If Jones wants to fight in the
USA, then he is the man, ROY makes the rules. Period.
Thanks for the Reply, keep em coming
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 16:50 EST
>Message-id: <19990129165003...@ng144.aol.com>
>
>roy always talks about money,
>
>Not only does Jones talk about money, but he has more than EUBANK, COLLINS,
>and
>BENN combined.
hehe, doubtful, unless roy has real good deals with some advertisement
companies. his boxing purses sure as hell haven't been more than that of those
three fighters combined.
> Roy Jones is about much more than boxing. He is talented in
>other things and deserves every penny he gets. If Jones wants to fight in the
>USA, then he is the man, ROY makes the rules. Period.
>
if roy makes the rules he'd make money for his sparring sessions leading up to
the fights, and not have any professional fights in itself....he also would
have never complained about not making enough money. roy makes the rules? nah,
he wishes he could : )
>Thanks for the Reply, keep em coming
are you trying to imply you get a hardon over a meaningless debate on your
opinions of roy jones? that's pathetic : )
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 16:46 EST
>Message-id: <19990129164646...@ng144.aol.com>
>
>This is not a battle between me and Mike Haught. We happen to be friends. He
>has an opinion and I respect that. There is no winners or losers here, just
>boxing conversation. So dont blow this up, ok?
>
don't blow this up? my, aren't you paranoid.
>If you wanna jump in and say something, then say it.
i did.
>But dont create no
>enemies
>here.
>
what enemies did i supposedly create, or try to create? please, let me know.
i'm all ears : )
>
>Peace Out
>Steve
word to ya motha, g. ohhhh, yeah. peace out and shyt.
Brian
>you love this? he's been countering everything you say, and all you end up
>coming up with towards the end of the debate is opinions.
hey fightfan, anytime you start debating fighters of the past vs. fighters of
the present its PURE opinion. There is no facts involved there...its purely for
entertainment purposes.
Brian
wrote:
>RJJ cannot carry the gym bag of the 1940s-60s warriors who had the courage to
>face any and all opponents within 10-15 lbs. if they were to achieve any
>recognition for their skills.
Here you go again Mike Haught. Using the fighters of the past to put down the
fighters of the present. It's pathetic and it needs to stop. You do this all
the damn time...I think almost every couple weeks you make a series of posts
saying a modern fighter couldn't "carry the jock strap" of some fighter from the
past or some other derogatory type of shit toward the modern fighter.
Are you ever going to stop this tired refrain?
I don't see how the warriors of the past are served by your warped views of
boxing. OK you don't like Roy Jones Jr. You've made that clear. You've also
made it very clear that you don't like a lot of other modern boxers. Why are
you bothering to watch the sport? Do you just like sit around and whine like a
bitch?
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 18:23 EST
>Message-id: <36d14302....@news1.newscene.com>
i wasn't referring to the debate of current vs past performers, i was referring
to his claims that roy jones is an all-time great based off what he's already
accomplished.....the other was making points he couldn't reply to with facts,
he could only reply to those points with opinion. that's why i posted what i
did : )
SDonat2313
past or some other derogatory type of shit toward the modern fighter.
Roy Jones has too much money to carry around JOCK STRAPS :-)
SDonat2313
>coming up with towards the end of the debate is opinions.
hey fightfan, anytime you start debating fighters of the past vs. fighters of
the present its PURE opinion. There is no facts involved there...its purely
for
entertainment purposes.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT MY MAN
SDonat2313
to his claims that roy jones is an all-time great based off what he's already
accomplished.....the other was making points he couldn't reply to with facts,
he could only reply to those points with opinion. that's why i posted what i
did : )
Give it up, I don't need to state facts, I can say what I want. How do you like
that?
Thanks for the reply though!!!!!
I love This :-)
SDonat2313
opinions of roy jones? that's pathetic : )
Now your insulting me? Ha, did you get your education out of a Cracker Jack
Box? Please, Jones DOES have more than those 3 COMBINED. You know nothing do
you? He has a deal with NIKE. do you know how much he gets? NAH, you wouldn't
know, because you seem like you know nothing. Thanks for your REPLY though!
KEEP EM COMING
SDonat2313
i'm all ears : )
You think you listen, but you just critisize. My opinion is not yours, but then
again, I would not want it to be. Thanks for your reply.
I love this stuff.
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 22:23 EST
>Message-id: <19990129222323...@ng35.aol.com>
that's because you don't want to be perfect.
>
>I love this stuff.
i love this stuff too. especially when you start going paranoid : )
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 22:20 EST
>Message-id: <19990129222053...@ng35.aol.com>
>
>are you trying to imply you get a hardon over a meaningless debate on your
>opinions of roy jones? that's pathetic : )
>
>
>Now your insulting me? Ha, did you get your education out of a Cracker Jack
>Box?
i'd have to ask the same thing of a person who doesn't know the difference
between the word "your" and the contraction "you're" : )
> Please, Jones DOES have more than those 3 COMBINED.
obviously you didn't gain any math skills before you dropped out of high
school.
> You know nothing do
>you?
i know a hell of a lot more than your stupid ass, that's for sure : )
> He has a deal with NIKE. do you know how much he gets? NAH, you wouldn't
>know, because you seem like you know nothing.
hahaha, you're so full of shit it's hilarious. please, now tell us how much
jones gets, and how it compares to the combined career purses of collins, benn,
and eubank. you see, it's you who knows nothing. and i'm having a nice time
replying to you. : )
> Thanks for your REPLY though!
no problem!
>
>
>KEEP EM COMING
will do, as long as you keep your empty points coming, i'll keep responding to
them : )
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 22:13 EST
>Message-id: <19990129221308...@ng35.aol.com>
>
>modern fighter couldn't "carry the jock strap" of some fighter from the
>past or some other derogatory type of shit toward the modern fighter.
>
>
>Roy Jones has too much money to carry around JOCK STRAPS :-)
yeah, plus he's too busy running away from dariusz michalczewski's jockstrap to
have one of his own.
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, Jan 29, 1999 22:16 EST
>Message-id: <19990129221620...@ng35.aol.com>
i like it a lot. it shows you're on the losing end of this debate, and it also
shows you don't have the intelligence to back yourself up with facts in a
conversation.
thanks for the reply though!!!!!
i love this : )
Brian
>Roy Jones has too much money to carry around JOCK STRAPS :-)
Yeah I heard Jock Strap carrying doesn't pay what it used too. At least that's
what ChrisAC tells me.
SDonat2313
that. Roy Jones is the best. Mike Haught stated no facts that I didnt counter.
Peace Out
Nice try thought, I thought I was going to CRY :-)
SDonat2313
The same German that couldnt knock V. HILL out, when Jones made it look easy.
The same German who has a style that is very boring? Yep, thought so.
Peace Out
And, I still love this
Thanks for the reply
SDonat2313
When people like you resort to foul words, they show how much they really know.
Trust me son, you think you know more, but NAH, you got a long way to go.
I love your aggresion though.
PEACE
LOVE IT :-)
Mike Haught
these words:
>roy always talks about money,
>
>Not only does Jones talk about money, but he has more than EUBANK, COLLINS, and
>BENN combined. Roy Jones is about much more than boxing. He is talented in
>other things and deserves every penny he gets. If Jones wants to fight in the
>USA, then he is the man, ROY makes the rules. Period.
>
I would not bet a lot of money on that speculation. Eubank, Benn and
Collins made a lot of money with their European fights and TV
contracts.
For being a proclaimed P4P great, RJJ is making pauper's wages
compared to the guys who have actually gone out and fought.
Didn't you used to make a lot of the same arguments for Riddick Bowe?
>Thanks for the Reply, keep em coming
Don't worry. We will. ;-)
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 12:23 EST
>Message-id: <19990130122354...@ng-fa1.aol.com>
>
>Are you resorting to vulgar words? Thank you, you proved you are a loser.
nah, i'm just proving that you're the loser. you're the one who "loves it" : )
>When people like you resort to foul words, they show how much they really
>know.
nah, it's just to add to the annoyance factor. i'm glad you're now going from
empty points which aren't substantiated, to crying about foul language. what's
next, little boy? : )
>Trust me son, you think you know more, but NAH, you got a long way to go.
>
nah, i KNOW that i know more than you. so i don't have a long way to go, all i
need to do is sit back and enjoy watching your stupid ass post some more of
your empty thoughts. you're pathetic!
>
>I love your aggresion though.
>PEACE
it's spelled aggression....i'm always here to help you, uneducated one : )
>
>LOVE IT :-)
love what? having your spelling errors corrected? i aim to please : )
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 12:20 EST
>Message-id: <19990130122016...@ng-fa1.aol.com>
>
>Roy Jones running from the German who has no defense? HA HA
>
i know, that shows how much of a coward roy is. he's running from a guy who has
no defense!!!!
>The same German that couldnt knock V. HILL out, when Jones made it look easy.
dariusz weakened virgil, roy could only knock hill out after he became
left-overs.
>The same German who has a style that is very boring? Yep, thought so.
>
as boring as watching roy jones coast to a decision win over fermin chirino?
yep, thought so : )
>Peace Out
>And, I still love this
>
>Thanks for the reply
ohhh, yeah. peace out to all da niggas in da hood and shyt. and, i still think
you love this too much : )
no problem on the reply, i know how it turns you on and all.
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 12:18 EST
>Message-id: <19990130121806...@ng-fa1.aol.com>
>
>I'm glad you love this to.
it's spelled "too", not "to"....this is why i love this, i get to teach yet
another uneducated soul how to spell. : )
<< What facts were stated that I didnt counter? Tell
>me
>that.>>
almost all of them!
<< Roy Jones is the best.
no he's not.
> Mike Haught stated no facts that I didnt
>counter.
yes he did.
>Peace Out
>
yeah, peace out to you too, mah nigga. peace in the middle east and shyt.
>Nice try thought, I thought I was going to CRY :-)
>
it's "nice try though", not "nice try thought"......and i'm not surprised that
you thought you were going to cry. you love this stuff so much it seems to get
to you in a way it does no normal human being.
Mike Haught
words:
>On 29 Jan 1999 13:44:34 -0500, mha...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Haught)
>wrote:
>
>>RJJ cannot carry the gym bag of the 1940s-60s warriors who had the courage to
>>face any and all opponents within 10-15 lbs. if they were to achieve any
>>recognition for their skills.
>
>Here you go again Mike Haught. Using the fighters of the past to put down the
>fighters of the present.
>
Here you go again Brian. You select one paragraph or line from a post
and build an argument around it. My post in total was stating that
RJJ has not proved himself in combat as fighters in the past. He has
shown a glimmer of talent in rare contests against skilled fighters.
If you had bothered to follow the thread (which you usually don't when
you make your argument), the claim was made that RJJ was the best ever
would have defeated Sugar Ray Robinson (or something very close to
that). I counter that this is a faulty premise because RJJ has not
fought enough against a variety of opponents to truely know what his
skills are. SRR left no doubt.
In comparing combat records, RJJ cannot carry those fighters'
jockstraps. In comparing how the fighters of years past proved
themselves to how RJJ's selected opponents and glorified exhibitions,
RJJ comes up very short.
>It's pathetic and it needs to stop. You do this all
>the damn time...
>
It seems you take issue with this because you cannot respond to the
debate with a winning argument. Just saying something is pathetic
does not make it so. Like saying RJJ is great does not make it so.
>I think almost every couple weeks you make a series of posts
>saying a modern fighter couldn't "carry the jock strap" of some fighter from the
>past or some other derogatory type of shit toward the modern fighter.
Since your sense of perspective in following the sport seemingly only
goes back ten years or so, I guess I can partly understand your
defensiveness towards the fighters of today. I tend to appreciate
those who had to work harder against greater odds to succeed.
>Are you ever going to stop this tired refrain?
>
Well, since you can't resist artificially blowing up the skills and
accomplishments of a few fighters, I'll probably continue to puncture
your myth building. Sorry, I appreciate honesty amongst the legends
building. ;-)
>I don't see how the warriors of the past are served by your warped views of
>boxing. OK you don't like Roy Jones Jr. You've made that clear. You've also
>made it very clear that you don't like a lot of other modern boxers.
I like quite a few modern boxers. Maybe I keep pointing out my POV
towards RJJ and Lennox Lewis because guys like you keep posting false
and erroneous information on them.
OTOH...maybe you are fixated and consumed with my posts because I
don't appreciate your "heroes" who you became a fan of in your infancy
days as a fan of boxing. Maybe because you have only been a fan of
the sport since RJJ and Lennox Lewis performed at the Olympic Games,
you have not bothered to look outside of that parameter.
> Why are you bothering to watch the sport?
I have been watching the sport as a fan for around 30 years. There
are still plenty of fighters that I enjoy watching.
>Do you just like sit around and whine like a bitch?
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coming from you...that's a keeper Brian!!
-mwh
SDonat2313
Eubank didnt know when to call it quits because he wanted more money. Name one
PPV with those 3 in it, that did half as GOOD as a ROY JONES PPV show?
Nuff said MIKE HAUGHT
See Ya
I loe this stuff :-)
SDonat2313
with your mouth. You proved to be wack on all counts. You had to jump in a
debate that you were no part of. LOSER? Then this LOSER has more money than
you will ever see.
Thanks for the SPELLING lesson! I needed that.
Peace Out
I LOVE THIS :-)
SDonat2313
you love this too much : )
Talk about my SPELLING? HA HA
What a LOSER
I LOVE THIS STUFF
You cant even spell a word that spills out your mouth!!!!! :-)
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 15:04 EST
>Message-id: <19990130150414...@ng42.aol.com>
>
>Jones does have more than all 3 combined. Collins is coming back for money
collins isn't coming back for money, he's loaded (although more money
definitely wouldn't hurt).....he just always wanted to face roy jones. he kept
calling roy out in the past, too bad it still looks like he won't get his
chance (although before he was worthy, right now he's retired so it's not that
big a deal stateside for the fight)....funniest thing about roy is there are
still a lot of brits who don't even know who roy jones is. you would think a
pound for pound guy, or an all-time great as you claim, would be well-known.
hell, there are still plenty of people in america who don't know who roy is,
yet oscar de la hoya is known all over the place.
>and
>Eubank didnt know when to call it quits because he wanted more money.
eubank didn't know how to spend his money.....he's almost as bad as duran and
tyson in that department.
>Name
>one
>PPV with those 3 in it, that did half as GOOD as a ROY JONES PPV show?
>
roy jones ppv shows don't do very well, and as far as i can recall he's only
had 2 (pazienza & toney, and toney was the big name in their fight....the
thomas tate-roy jones fight wasn't a main event, it was on the undercard of an
oscar fight)......the biggest ppv draws right now are mike tyson and oscar de
la hoya, roy can't even come close to touching those two. julio cesar chavez
used to be in there.....but i'm sure if any of collins, eubank, or benn's
fights were on ppv in britain, it would have had more sales than a roy jones
ppv.
>Nuff said MIKE HAUGHT
>
you still haven't said much.
>See Ya
>I loe this stuff :-)
do you love this stuff too, or do you now only "loe" it? : )
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 15:09 EST
>Message-id: <19990130150907...@ng42.aol.com>
>
>Yeah, I was never a spelling wizard,
obviously : )
but your mother sure had a heck of a
>time
>with your mouth.
not really, but your mom had a heck of a time with my mouth, among other
things, that cum-crazy slut : ) ....like i said, i always aim to please, even
where your ugly mom is concerned.
>You proved to be wack on all counts.
it's spelled whack, and you're obviously referring to yourself : )
> You had to jump in a
>debate that you were no part of.
you asked me to : )
> LOSER? Then this LOSER has more money than
>you will ever see.
hahaha. yeah, that's about as believable as you being a spelling bee champ.
i've inherited more money than you'd ever make in a lifetime, you little ghetto
piece of trash : )
>
>Thanks for the SPELLING lesson! I needed that.
>
i know you did, you were in dire need of a spelling lesson, and as always, i'm
there to help you out with your lack of education : )
>
>Peace Out
>I LOVE THIS :-)
>
>
peace out, g. keep lovin it : )
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 15:11 EST
>Message-id: <19990130151105...@ng42.aol.com>
hahahaha. not only do you have a lack of education where spelling is concerned,
but you also can't recognize when someone's mocking street linguistics.
and why'd you call yourself a loser again? you not only have a lack of
education, but you're also extremely self-loathing. you need to get some
confidence instilled, little boy. maybe the first step would be to stop living
in the shadows of a guy who tried to avoid CHARLES BREWER of all people (roy
jones is a true coward), and start living your own life. then maybe you'll get
somewhere and finally have some self-worth. : )
keep 'em coming : )
BoyMayo
What a load of crap.
I'm not knocking Collins for wanting the payday....but let's not deny that
this is the reason Collins wants this fight.
.....BoyMayo
------------------------------
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http://www.cyberboxingzone.com
Editor, Seconds Out Boxing Magazine
http://members.aol.com/boymayo
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Mike Haught
these words:
>Jones does have more than all 3 combined. Collins is coming back for money and
>Eubank didnt know when to call it quits because he wanted more money. Name one
>PPV with those 3 in it, that did half as GOOD as a ROY JONES PPV show?
>
>Nuff said MIKE HAUGHT
>
>See Ya
>I loe this stuff :-)
Can you name the PPVs that RJJ has headlined? There weren't that
many. And one was what would have to be termed co-headlined.
I don't know the current financial situation of those euro fighters,
but I do think you're underestimating their drawing power and earnings
in Great Britain. Published accounts had Eubanks pulling down more
than RJJ on TV contracts alone.
Glad you "loe" this stuff my friend!
-mwh
Mike Haught
these words:
>>you love this? he's been countering everything you say, and all you end up
True to a point. What cannot be disputed is that fighters of the past
tended to fight more often, against all types of opponents and against
a much wider range of weight.
In discussing fighters of the past, there's not much question about
what they accomplished. In discussing present fighters, IMO, there
'll be almost as many questions after their respective careers as
during.
Compare a larger pool of participants fighting for 8-14 titles vs. a
smaller pool today fighting for dozens of titles. The accomplishments
of today's fighters' (i.e. multiple titles) is not opinion, but fact.
These accomplishments today are less comparatively.
-mwh
Mike Haught
these words:
>I'm glad you love this to. What facts were stated that I didnt counter? Tell me
>that. Roy Jones is the best. Mike Haught stated no facts that I didnt counter.
>Peace Out
>
Counter? Did I miss something? A detour to irrelevant opinion is
countering?
I guess things are different now-a-days! I'm starting to sound like
my Dad before age 40 also!! ;-)
>Nice try thought, I thought I was going to CRY :-)
>
Don't cry buddy. I won't tell them who you really are! Its our
secret!! ;-)
-mwh
SDonat2313
Jones-Toney
Jones-Pazienza
Jones-Griffin 2
The Toney fight was one of the highest selling non-HW PPV shows in history.
All did very well in terms of money. He got his own video game coming out, and
his contract with Nike is very nice in terms of dollars.
I respect your opinion Mike, but Collins already said he wants to fight Jones
for the money. Jones also has a magazine coming out. His contract with HBO is
about to get bigger as well.
Take Care Mike.
Steve
Michael Haught
: Mike buddy, Jones has been the main star in wuit a few PPV fights:
: Jones-Toney
: Jones-Pazienza
: Jones-Griffin 2
: The Toney fight was one of the highest selling non-HW PPV shows in history.
All true. But, Do you not think it strange that a proclaimed P4P all time
great to have headlined 2 and co-headlined one PPV fight in his entire
career? In the era of PPVs?
: All did very well in terms of money. He got his own video game coming out, and
: his contract with Nike is very nice in terms of dollars.
May be. I've not researhed his finances.
: I respect your opinion Mike, but Collins already said he wants to fight Jones
: for the money. Jones also has a magazine coming out. His contract with HBO is
: about to get bigger as well.
Collins did say that he wants to finance his polo pony fix.
What is he going to put in his magazine? What he would do to the top
fighters if he ever fought them? Will he use his video game as a
simulator to show how he would have beaten all of the past greats?
As for the HBO contract, do you think they're going to give him a raise
for the kind of crap he has been dishing out? If that's the case, I'll
probably cancel my HBO.
--
-mwh
Michael Haught
: On 1 Feb 1999 09:05:03 -0500, mha...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael
: Haught) wrote:
: >As for the HBO contract, do you think they're going to give him a raise
: >for the kind of crap he has been dishing out? If that's the case, I'll
: >probably cancel my HBO.
: Cool does this mean you'll stop making daily posts that Roy Jones
: sucks?
Nope Brian. I have to give you something to post about every day. ;-)
--
-mwh
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, Jan 30, 1999 21:32 EST
>Message-id: <19990130213250...@ng-fd1.aol.com>
>
>>collins isn't coming back for money, he's loaded
>>he just always wanted to face roy jones.
>
>What a load of crap.
>
>I'm not knocking Collins for wanting the payday....but let's not deny that
>this is the reason Collins wants this fight.
>
>.....BoyMayo
it's not a load of crap....collins is loaded. sure, the payday of going against
jones is definitely one of the major reasons collins wants to fight jones
(along with having always wanted to face him), but collins isn't suffering from
any financial troubles. that was my main point.