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neu...@yahoo.com  
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 More options Feb 26 2005, 2:04 pm
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From: neu...@yahoo.com
Date: 26 Feb 2005 11:04:15 -0800
Local: Sat, Feb 26 2005 2:04 pm
Subject: Boxer KO's Ref
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm

The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle."  The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out.  He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada.  Looks like a leaf on his shirt.  Does anyone know the
details?


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 More options Feb 26 2005, 4:36 pm
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From: "Bud Light" <budli...@email.invalid.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:36:01 -0500
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
Yup....that was an amateur fight....they didn't wear head gear back then.
The Canadian fighter was Willie DeWitt.

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 More options Feb 26 2005, 8:41 pm
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From: "Scott" <sdsportsfanREMOVEC...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:41:53 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name was
Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes :-|

Maybe Mel would know the details.

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 More options Feb 26 2005, 11:08 pm
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From: "Scott" <sdsportsfanREMOVEC...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:08:08 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
A little more research...the Cuban fighter was Pedro Cardenas and DeWitt
stopped him in the second round.

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 More options Feb 27 2005, 6:56 pm
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From: "Highway66" <us_highway...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:56:58 -0600
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
I caught this fight on videotape years ago. I've since looked for it but
can't find it. Yes it was Willie DeWitt and the Cuban fighter knocked the
Ref out cold (he was trying to break them up) .. he didn't even try and
break his fall on the way down because his lights were totally out!

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Melanie Ley  
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 More options Feb 27 2005, 11:03 pm
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From: Melanie Ley <box...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:03:01 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:08:08 -0800, "Scott"

>> The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
>> IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name was
>> Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes :-|

>> Maybe Mel would know the details.

        Yes, I know who the ref was and, along with not being able to
find my keys either, can't remember his last name.  He was a terrible
amateur ref and it took Canada some years to finally get rid of him.
He never lived down his being KOd.  He came to a So. Calif. tournament
many years ago with one of the Canadian teams.  He was awful!  Even
the Canadian boxers and coaches were embarrassed by his lack of
skills.

Mel

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Dave N.  
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 More options Feb 27 2005, 11:46 pm
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From: "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com>
Date: 27 Feb 2005 20:46:57 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
Thanks for the info so far.  Just to be complete, here are a few more
questions.

Did DeWitt knock out Cardenas?
Who was the referee?
When was the fight?
Where was the fight?
Was it for a title?

DeWitt won Silver for Canada in the 1984 Olympics.  Was this fight
connected to the Olympics?

Thanks for helping solve the mystery...  Dave N


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 More options Feb 28 2005, 12:11 pm
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From: resser...@webtv.net (moises ramos jr)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:11:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
maybe Corly should of done the same to the ref

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Scott  
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 More options Feb 28 2005, 12:39 pm
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:39:50 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
I would venture to say that the bout was part of a Pan Am games competition,
maybe 1983.
Don't know any other details to those questions...

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Melanie Ley  
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 More options Mar 1 2005, 9:53 pm
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From: Melanie Ley <box...@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:53:28 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
On 27 Feb 2005 20:46:57 -0800, "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the info so far.  Just to be complete, here are a few more
>questions.

>Did DeWitt knock out Cardenas?
>Who was the referee?
>When was the fight?
>Where was the fight?
>Was it for a title?

        The bout took place in June, 1982 in Las Vegas at the North
American Championships.   DeWit won by RSC (KO) in the second round.
The referee was Bert Lowes from Vancouver (he was awful!).

>DeWitt won Silver for Canada in the 1984 Olympics.  Was this fight
>connected to the Olympics?

        No.

>Thanks for helping solve the mystery...  Dave N

Mel

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Dave N.  
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 More options Mar 2 2005, 2:44 pm
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From: "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com>
Date: 2 Mar 2005 11:44:33 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
Great!  I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
link to yours, Mel.  Thanks.  -Dave

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 More options Mar 3 2005, 9:19 am
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Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:19:43 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
On 2 Mar 2005 11:44:33 -0800, "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Great!  I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
>link to yours, Mel.  Thanks.  

        Thanks for the link, Dave.  I appreciate it!

        You have a very interesting web site.  8-)  I'm not sure what
you're doing, but I like your photos.

Mel

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 More options Mar 3 2005, 12:07 pm
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From: Ruddell <ruddell'Elle-Kabo...@canada.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:07:51 -0000
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
In <h57e219noi5io0crifiv5l5oq7tuj6n...@4ax.com> Melanie Ley  wrote:

> On 2 Mar 2005 11:44:33 -0800, "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Great!  I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
>>link to yours, Mel.  Thanks.  

>    Thanks for the link, Dave.  I appreciate it!

>    You have a very interesting web site.  8-)  I'm not sure what
> you're doing, but I like your photos.

And thanks to you Mel and everyone else who helped on this one.  I know
this question has come up before and never really answered.  Tillman
always stuck in my head but it just didn't sound right...

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Cheers

Dennis

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Dave N.  
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 More options Mar 3 2005, 7:56 pm
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From: "Dave N." <neu...@yahoo.com>
Date: 3 Mar 2005 16:56:59 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 3 2005 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
The Internet is great because you can usually find interested people
who can help you find what you need to know.

Thanks for your comment about my site, Mel.  A similar discussion arose
from a composite photo I made from a 1954 movie clip.  The picture and
link to the discussion are here:
http://dualmoments.com/prelinger/conniemack.htm

About Tillman:

DeWit fought Tillman a number of times in his amateur and pro career.
The following is about the 1984 Olympics and comes from
"sportsbookmagazine.com":

"DeWit faced American Henry Tillman in the heavyweight final. Tillman,
who learned to box while in prison for armed robbery, had defeated a
then-unknown Mike Tyson in the U.S. Olympic trials. DeWit had beaten
Tillman in their two previous meetings but was upset by the American in
a unanimous decision."

I read elsewhere that that decision was controversial.

I think DeWit's final pro fight was against Tillman.  He won that one.
He then went on to become a partner in a law firm in Alberta, Canada.

Dave N.


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Scott  
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 More options Mar 4 2005, 2:48 am
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From: "Scott" <sdsportsfanREMOVEC...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:48:18 -0800
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Subject: Re: Boxer KO's Ref
I remember the Gold medal match, albeit vaguely, and I don't remember it
being controversial, though it was fairly close.

Also, I believe Willie is a judge now (and has been one for some time)...

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