Interview with Christy Martin
Jacmelian
boxer of all time. She talks about her career, the sport and her
upcoming bout at the age of 40. I hope you enjoy it.
BooBo...@gmail.com
Did she ever fight Laila Ali?
ne...@millions.com
August of 2003: She fought and knocked out Christy Martin in the
fourth round. Ali had both a height and reach advantage that Martin
had no chance whatsoever to overcome.
DCI
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Jacmelian
Yeah, Martin was fighting at a much heavier weight class but thought
her experience and skill level would overcome Laila's physical
advantages.
pmfan57
She also would have lost to the great Lucjia Riker (or however it's
spelled).
Melanie Ley
<jacm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I spoke to Christy Martin yesterday who is perhaps the greatest female
>boxer of all time.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Because
female boxing was a dog and pony show when Christy first came to
prominence, she became the marketable performer. She definitely
didn't have much in the way of boxing skills. She was definitely a
pioneer, if not THE pioneer. But I doubt she will ever be considered
the "greatest female boxer of all time."
Mel
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SkippyPB
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Perhaps jacmelian should interview Laila Ali who is more likely to be
the greatest female boxer (so far) than is Christy Martin.
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pmfan57
The greatest female fighter (boxing and kick boxing) pound for pound
ever was Lucia Rijker. Ali is heavier but I think Rijker could have
defeated her even with the weight difference. Rijker certainly would
have destroyed Christy Martin.
Jacmelian
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I think it's really hard to say. Lucia was smaller than Christy
Martin. They were scheduled to fight at one point, but Lucia pulled
out. I can't remember why. Laila Ali is simply too big for either
one of them. Ali fights mostly near 170 pounds, which means she is
walking around at over 180. Martin and Rijker are at their best below
140.
pmfan57
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Rijker was a much more coordinated and powerful fighter than Martin.
No comparison. Rijker fought like a man. Here is Rijker fighting a
man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2etSJASc8-Q
Martin might last a couple of seconds against him.
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Rijker versus Martin is much like Holyfield vs. Tyson.
Different levels of fighters with one always having the other's
number.
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pmfan57
> pmfan57 <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote innews:857d2af8-9cd7-4136...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.co
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In this case, Rijker would win easily, just as Holyfield did.
The Sanity Cruzer
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>In this case, Rijker would win easily, just as Holyfield
did.<
I still think that prime Tyson knocks out Holyfield early. Tyson was not
the same fighter when they met following Tyson's incarceration and over 4
years out of the ring.
Think of that; four years out of the ring. Tyson kept his power and his
speed (to some degree), but left behind his combination punching (gone after
Rooney and he split), timing and movement. Any 'student' of the sport who
does not recognize the difference between 1988 Mike Tyson and post 1988
Tyson needs to go back to school.
pmfan57
wrote:
> "pmfan57" <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote in message
I think he was a myth/mirage. With or without Rooney he would have
folded when he met the right style.
Those "combinations" were, while devastating when they connected, not
natural to him and they disappeared at an absurdly early age, because
he was not a natural combination puncher. No other male athlete that
I can think of was, barring injury, all of a sudden past his prime at
the age of 23, which is Tyson's age when the (supposedly washed up)
Tyson was schooled by Buster Douglass (of all people). No truly great
fighter could have been in his physical prime and not been able to
perform at least at a high percentage of his peak at that age. Those
flaws had to have always been there, waiting to be exposed.
Holyfield beats Tyson because he was always a MUCH better, more
skilled, fighter than Tyson.
The Sanity Cruzer
> I still think that prime Tyson knocks out Holyfield early. Tyson was not
> the same fighter when they met following Tyson's incarceration and over 4
> years out of the ring.
>
> Think of that; four years out of the ring. Tyson kept his power and his
> speed (to some degree), but left behind his combination punching (gone
> after
> Rooney and he split), timing and movement. Any 'student' of the sport who
> does not recognize the difference between 1988 Mike Tyson and post 1988
> Tyson needs to go back to school.
>I think he was a myth/mirage. With or without Rooney he would have
folded when he met the right style.<
If you cannot tell the difference when you see a 1988 version (or earlier)
of Tyson with the man who fought later, you are simply not paying attention.
After seeing Tyson's fights over the last 15 years and then going back and
watching him as a young man, I am still in awe of how he once was able to
fight.
>Those "combinations" were, while devastating when they connected, not
natural to him and they disappeared at an absurdly early age, because
he was not a natural combination puncher. No other male athlete that
I can think of was, barring injury, all of a sudden past his prime at
the age of 23, which is Tyson's age when the (supposedly washed up)
Tyson was schooled by Buster Douglass (of all people). No truly great
fighter could have been in his physical prime and not been able to
perform at least at a high percentage of his peak at that age. Those
flaws had to have always been there, waiting to be exposed.<
What you're not getting is, Tyson stopped training as he once did. Boxing
was his life when young. Pussy, drugs and booze became more important to
him later. Just as Roberto Duran was beaten by Estaban de Jesus when he
hadn't trained hard, Tyson was less of a fighter post-1988 when he didn't
train as he once did.
>Holyfield beats Tyson because he was always a MUCH better, more
skilled, fighter than Tyson.<
We'll never know, but if you don't even acknowledge the drop off in Tyson's
fighting post-1988, I can totally discount your opinion on anything to do
with Tyson.
thedark...@hotmail.com
> Rijker was a much more coordinated and powerful fighter than Martin.
> No comparison. Rijker fought like a man. Here is Rijker fighting a
> man:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2etSJASc8-Q
Broken shin bones and torn knee ligaments must be epidemic in this
sport.
thedark...@hotmail.com
> Laila Ali is simply too big for either
> one of them. Ali fights mostly near 170 pounds, which means she is
> walking around at over 180.
Kimbo Slice could take her.