Mandatories for Roy Jones
NeoMatrix
>There were and are great fights for him. He could have had
>Eubank, Collins, Maske, Michalczewski, Rocchigiani, Benn,
>Collins on his
Why weren't any of them mandatory fights for him?
He didn't CHOOSE to fight Hall. Hall was a mandatory. How
does someone become a mandatory and why can't DM become a
mandatory for RJJ if DM is the best or 2nd best light heavy?
Are you telling me they only pick bums to be mandatory
opponents for Jones? The whole boxing establishment is
controlled by Jones?
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mwhaught
<rjcyclesk...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> RPP Wrote:
>
> >There were and are great fights for him. He could have had
> >Eubank, Collins, Maske, Michalczewski, Rocchigiani, Benn,
> >Collins on his
>
> Why weren't any of them mandatory fights for him?
> He didn't CHOOSE to fight Hall. Hall was a mandatory. How
> does someone become a mandatory and why can't DM become a
> mandatory for RJJ if DM is the best or 2nd best light heavy?
> Are you telling me they only pick bums to be mandatory
> opponents for Jones? The whole boxing establishment is
> controlled by Jones?
>
before. He had a mandatory to fight Michale Nunn. He fefused to fight
Nuun and was stripped of the WBC title. Graciano Rocchigiani (SP?)
beat Nunn to become the WBC LHW champion. Suddenly Jose Sulamain named
RJJ LHW "Champion in Recess" and later took the title from Rocchigiani
and handed it back to RJJ.
And RJJ has the gall to criticize Don King for his crooked dealings.
-mwh
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Gregory Gliedman
NeoMatrix wrote:
> RPP Wrote:
>
> >There were and are great fights for him. He could have had
> >Eubank, Collins, Maske, Michalczewski, Rocchigiani, Benn,
> >Collins on his
>
> Why weren't any of them mandatory fights for him?
Most of them were champions of other organizations, and the major sanctioning bodies don't rank other champions. None of them were ever eligible to become a
mandatory.
>
> He didn't CHOOSE to fight Hall. Hall was a mandatory.
Hall was a mandatory that Jones chose to fight. Jones has had no problem in the past telling the sanctioning bodies that he wasn't going to fight their
mandatory and daring them to strip him. Strangely enough, that only seems to happen when the mandatory is a decent fighter (Nunn, Rocchigiani).
Brian
>And RJJ has the gall to criticize Don King for his crooked dealings.
You're full of shit Haught.
Michael Nosky
he should have fought nunn, but said that he wasn't worthy. the ibf told
him he had to fite tarver, butmurad came up with the idea of a tarver v.
harding eliminator.
ffrazier was a mandatory, as as hall, and roy decided that they were
worthy, apparently!
however, in the case of rocchigiani, jones and rocky were all but set to
fite in january and rocchi backed out to take a bigger money fite
against michalczewski.
that all being said.....it makes no difference who the mandatories are
or were. there are no fighters at 175 capable of giving roy a half
decent fite, except for michalczewski!
personally, i think that roy is much too fast for dariusz but the two of
them have cleaned out the division! there are no fighters left, except
for the two of them.
mike
MFN...@webtv.net
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Phrank Da Slugger
<rjcyclesk...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> RPP Wrote:
>
> >There were and are great fights for him. He could have had
> >Eubank, Collins, Maske, Michalczewski, Rocchigiani, Benn,
> >Collins on his
>
> Why weren't any of them mandatory fights for him?
Not only were all the above fighters titlists and thus not rated by
whichever organization that Jones represented (another debate for another
day), but according to Lou DiBella, Eubank, Collins and Benn were offered
fights on HBO w/Jones when Roy was at 168 and all 3 turned the fights
down. A shame, because Jones would've beaten them all.
Now, however, he should take care of business and fight Michalczewski. M
is the true linear champ and Roy risks having a legacy much like Ray
Leonard's - whenever I hear someone say "5-time titlist" I feel it must be
qualified.
Phrank Da Slugger, Editor/Publisher
"Bob's Feints" boxing journal (email for free sample)
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Mike Haught
-0400, Brian <opt...@hotmail.com> said:
Brian,
LOL!! You say you killfile me. Then you say you don't read many of
my posts. yet, as soon as I criticize one of your heroes you start
sending me bullshit responses. That's the playbook for you. And
you, as always, are the one full of shit.
You can look it up if you're ever inclined to deal with facts when it
comes to your hero. RJJ was stripped and somehow got the title back
over the Nunn non-fight. Don King never pulled anything better in his
day.
-mwh
Mike Haught
GMT, Robert Phillips <RP...@cfl.rr.com> said:
>
>Phrank Da Slugger wrote:
>
>> Not only were all the above fighters titlists and thus not rated by
>> whichever organization that Jones represented (another debate for another
>> day), but according to Lou DiBella, Eubank, Collins and Benn were offered
>> fights on HBO w/Jones when Roy was at 168 and all 3 turned the fights
>> down.
>
>I have a feeling that this post will get ignored more than most trolls'
>posts. ;)
>
At the time, the purse offerings were said to be a little on the
paltry side IIRC. RJJ was expecting ODLH type paydays and these guys
were going to have to come to the USA and fight RJJ for less than they
were making in Great Britain. It didn't seem like the negotiations
were very intense or very long.
I remember this because I was really wanting to watch these fights.
This was also when RJJ first started to show the size of his balls.
-mwh
Mike Haught
GMT, Robert Phillips <RP...@cfl.rr.com> said:
>
>Alejandro Olague wrote:
>
>> So Robert Phillips <RP...@cfl.rr.com> says
>> >I have a feeling that this post will get ignored more than most trolls'
>> >posts. ;)
>> >Pie
>> Lets just say I have a hard time believing that those 3 titlists were
>> offered fair, legit offers to fight Jones. I don't believe for a
>> second that Benn, who has shown a willingness to fight anyone would
>> turn down a chance at Jones unless the offer was so bad, that it would
>> be completly unattractive. More likely than not, it was just DiBella
>> covering up for Jones.
>
>Possibly. But it goes to show that for every story, and for every assumption
>that fans make, there's a competing and differering version.....
>
As stated in my other post in this thread. This was something that I
paid close attention to at the time. It was also part of what first
soured me on RJJ.
RJJ wouldn't talk about these guys and DiBella made a brief comment or
two that the British champs/contenders had turned down fights against
RJJ. It seemed funny that they were all being quoted from Great
Britain as wanting to fight RJJ. RJJ would not acknowledge them and
DiBella barely conceded their existence.
Now look at RJJ's history and track record since then and how
seriously do you think we should take the DiBella quote re: these guys
turning RJJ down? Use some logical, deductive reasoning Pie. I know
you may have a tiny bit left when it comes to RJJ. ;-)
-mwh
Phrank Da Slugger
mwha...@redbird.net wrote:
> Now look at RJJ's history and track record since then and how
> seriously do you think we should take the DiBella quote re: these guys
> turning RJJ down? Use some logical, deductive reasoning Pie. I know
> you may have a tiny bit left when it comes to RJJ. ;-)
DiBella has always been honest about fighters, including HBO's own.
Whether the offer was fair or not is a question for the next person who
interviews him. But IMO, when you are offered a fight against a guy like
Jones you take it if you believe in yourself. For example, if Benn had to
take a pay cut to come to the US and beat Jones, so be it. The next
fight(s) he woulda made the big money.
That said, Jones will go down (at the rate he's going) as a fighter who
never fought the best in his division with the exception of Toney. For a
guy so talented, that's sad.