Haye wins majority decision
Dan L
Mr.Will
his hatred of UK fighters!
Thats almost as satisfying as the victory for David!
mr.Will
"Dan L" <HeyH...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> whooopdy doo
Mike Hall
> Scott Gilfoid of boxingnews24.com predicted a humiliation of Haye - such is
> his hatred of UK fighters!
>
> Thats almost as satisfying as the victory for David!
Should have been 118-110 at least. To Valuev's credit though, it is
obviously going to take a proper superheavyweight to knock him out.
Haye hurt his hand trying to do this.
Mike Hall
ne...@millions.com
wrote:
Let's get on with the show. There is something about a David vs
Goliath that attracts the paying fans.
DCI
Steen
> whooopdy doo
YES - we might have a new classic fight.
What Holyfield couldn't do, the "little" brit did very well, after a
mean namecalling lead up to the match, Haye did exactly what he should
do.
The huge russian monster may be history, and David Haye are the new king.
It will be very interesting to see him in a match with another 100 kg fighter.
The fight reminded me of when I saw Andre The Giant against Hulk Hogan
when I was young.
Not that wrestling is a real fight, but it was fun anyway (and then I
found out it was all an act *lol*)
Nice to see Valuev could loose in Sauerland country
I wonder what fight the spanish ref was watching ;-)
Dan L
Walter Mitty
I was astonished at his ability to retain 100% concentration for 12
rounds.
As Chagaev did, he kept the distance and allowed the monster to plod. He
didn't do too much, but how the hell can you against that kind of size
difference? In the 11th (or was it the 12th?) he actually had Valuev
senseless for about a few seconds!
A wonderful and well disciplined performance and how the hell one judge
had it even is anyones guess.
Haye delivered. And confounded my predictions which i tried to withdraw
in the pub after the first bell. Only seeing them in the ring did I
realise that there was no way in hell Haye could knock him out. I
thought a 4th round KO for Haye or a Valuev points win. Like a lot of
people I assumed that Haye would tire and get caught. But here goes
kudos to Valuev : he did not try to spoil the fight and lean on Haye to
sap his energy. The ref also did his bit to stop any unnecessary
hugging.
Interestingly enough, I think Valuev boxed the best I ever saw
him. Controlled, high guard and a fast dangerous jab. Haye allowed him
to plod around hitting air hoping that professional judges only count
punches that land.
And, thank god, another urban myth smashed about "you cant win a points
decision in germany".
Well done David Haye!!!!!!!!!!
And one more thing!
He will take out the brothers!
I did not see them at ring side interestingly enough? having said that,
I was pissed as a newt :-;
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>
> Haye delivered. And confounded my predictions which i tried to withdraw
> in the pub after the first bell. Only seeing them in the ring did I
> realise that there was no way in hell Haye could knock him out. I
> thought a 4th round KO for Haye or a Valuev points win. Like a lot of
> people I assumed that Haye would tire and get caught. But here goes
> kudos to Valuev : he did not try to spoil the fight and lean on Haye to
> sap his energy. The ref also did his bit to stop any unnecessary
> hugging.
>
> Interestingly enough, I think Valuev boxed the best I ever saw
> him.
I'm with you on this one. Valuev did seem motivated this time around.
>Controlled, high guard and a fast dangerous jab. Haye allowed him
> to plod around hitting air hoping that professional judges only count
> punches that land.
>
> And, thank god, another urban myth smashed about "you cant win a points
> decision in germany".
>
> Well done David Haye!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm...I have to watch it again...it was o..k..I guess I expected more
from Haye..but I do give Haye props for being only the 2nd fighter to
defeat the giant. And the first to rock him..even if it was for a few
secs.
>
> And one more thing!
>
> He will take out the brothers!
U r from the UK, right?
pablo
> Let's get on with the show. There is something about a David vs
> Goliath that attracts the paying fans.
>
> DCI
did you pay for the PPV??? i certainly didn't... :-)
ne...@millions.com
At my age, when I get a grip on the US one dollar bill, George
Washington spits his teeth out.
DCI
D. Flynn
> > Scott Gilfoid of boxingnews24.com predicted a humiliation of Haye - such is
> > his hatred of UK fighters!
>
> > Thats almost as satisfying as the victory for David!
>
> > mr.Will
>
Haye will take Wlad and Vitali out to dinner? How courteous.
Just as long as he doesn't get in the ring against either. If he does,
the Hayemaker will need an undertaker.
ne...@millions.com
wrote:
More like taking the Klitscko brothers out for a cheap beakfast at
McDonalds'!!! He'll sleep through the night and the brothers don't
take in unhealthy foods.
DCI
Mr.Will
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Yes, like everything else they won't take any "unnecessary" risks.
Im sure they even have the streets cleared in NYC before even dreaming to
attempt crossing the road.
Sure, it may take several days to accomplish the task that they could have
done in a couple of minutes, but you know what, they took no unncessary
risks, so they can be applauded - not so much for facing their fear of,
well, pretty much anything, but finding a way around it.
Mr.Will
Walter Mitty
Free on german TV.
Great fight if you enjoy boxing as opposed to "show boating".
5016
It was a lousy fight. You're obviously a big enough fan of Haye that
you found it entertaining, but everyone I knew thought it was an
exceptionally boring fight.
It's kind of strange, because Haye's fights are normally entertaining,
and Valuev's are always boring, but in this case Haye was the one
making the fight suck. Valuev looked much better than in his last
fight, and actually seemed to want to engage.
Nonetheless, I don't blame Haye for taking the actions he did - he
wanted to win, found a way to win, and executed his plan well. But he
won't have made any fans.
The scores were all over the place. Some of the UK papers thought that
Haye won every round but one, Jim Watt gave it to Valuev, and one
judge had a draw. I had Haye in a close-but-not-too-close victory. I
was pleasantly surprised when Haye got the decision, because Valuev
has won fights as close as this one before.
So little happened that it was hard to score. Haye landed the only
good punches, but Valuev came forward. How do you score a round in
which one fighter is coming forward landing nothing and the other goes
backward but lands one punch? Different judges interpret this stuff
differently.
Mr.Will
"5016" <huwg...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I too thought the fight was quite poor. Haye doing what he had to in
order to win, Valuev being very limited.
Was happy to see Haye get the victory - Jim Watt however was panicking all
the way through "the judges, the judges, oh my the judges" he seemed to say
every couple of seconds, then score a round as if he were a "German judge
unwilling to credit Haye". Despite him giving the victory to Valuev it was
only by one round.
As for the scoring, I think its about what is effective, and while you're
right about so little happening in terms of activity in this instance the
fighter coming forward really could do nothing in terms of setting the pace,
controlling distance, making the fight go to his terms etc. Haye lands only
a couple of punches, but Valuev lands none!
The Froch Dirrell fight was different because neither actually managed
anything. It was as dull as this one though admittedly!
Mr.Will
5016
> "5016" <huwgar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
They were international judges though, weren't they?
> Despite him giving the victory to Valuev it was
> only by one round.
>
> As for the scoring, I think its about what is effective, and while you're
> right about so little happening in terms of activity in this instance the
> fighter coming forward really could do nothing in terms of setting the pace,
> controlling distance, making the fight go to his terms etc. Haye lands only
> a couple of punches, but Valuev lands none!
Yes, I had Haye the winner because I basically score rounds to the
person who is most effective in landing punches. "Effective
aggression" being the key phrase.
But not all judges do that. Some judges will score inactive rounds to
the person moving forward even if he lands one or two less punches.
Haye's risk management strategy, while it completely mitigated his
risks of being knocked out, came with substantial risk of losing the
decision, so I'm not sure in retrospect that it was a good one.
Walter Mitty
> On Nov 10, 9:15 am, Walter Mitty <mitti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pablo <pa...@simplyhombre.net> writes:
>> > On Nov 7, 4:50 pm, ne...@millions.com wrote:
>> >> Let's get on with the show. There is something about a David vs
>> >> Goliath that attracts the paying fans.
>>
>> >> DCI
>>
>> > did you pay for the PPV??? i certainly didn't... :-)
>>
>> Free on german TV.
>>
>> Great fight if you enjoy boxing as opposed to "show boating".
>>
>> --
>> Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.
>
> It was a lousy fight. You're obviously a big enough fan of Haye that
> you found it entertaining, but everyone I knew thought it was an
> exceptionally boring fight.
I'm not a that big a fan of Haye.
I enjoyed it because of his tactics.
>
> It's kind of strange, because Haye's fights are normally entertaining,
> and Valuev's are always boring, but in this case Haye was the one
> making the fight suck. Valuev looked much better than in his last
> fight, and actually seemed to want to engage.
I wonder why? Could it be because he is 7 stone heavier?
Haye fought the perfect fight against a freak.
Mr.Will
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I'm not saying he was right by any means, Im saying he panicked and firmly
believed that Haye had to KO the guy to get a draw.
> Despite him giving the victory to Valuev it was
> only by one round.
>
> As for the scoring, I think its about what is effective, and while you're
> right about so little happening in terms of activity in this instance the
> fighter coming forward really could do nothing in terms of setting the
> pace,
> controlling distance, making the fight go to his terms etc. Haye lands
> only
> a couple of punches, but Valuev lands none!
Yes, I had Haye the winner because I basically score rounds to the
person who is most effective in landing punches. "Effective
aggression" being the key phrase.
But not all judges do that. Some judges will score inactive rounds to
the person moving forward even if he lands one or two less punches.
Haye's risk management strategy, while it completely mitigated his
risks of being knocked out, came with substantial risk of losing the
decision, so I'm not sure in retrospect that it was a good one.
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I hear what you are saying, but I think most would score it the same way.
I think Haye did a very clear job of showing that Valuev couldnt hit him,
and whenever he tried Valuev didnt control anything.
I think they gave those rounds to Froch in their fight because Dirrell was
running and reacting to Froch, ie Froch was setting the pace of the fight.
Mr.Will