"Hand of the Masters"
Michael Allegretto
I have seen mention of the "Hand of the Masters" calendar. Does
anyone know if this is still available anywhere?
-- Mike
David Siltz
I bought my 1995 edition from Tom (Tom's Q-Stix) Madsen in Lincoln,
Nebraska. When I called him about getting a 1996 version he said
he didn't think there would be one this year. This was back in
November so the situation might have changed.
--
David S. Siltz Systems Engineer
da...@opensys.com OpenSystems, Inc.
(206)803-5000 x104 http://www.opensys.com
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I'm shootin' pool, Fats. When I miss you can shoot.
Georg Nikodym
>>>>> "DS" == David Siltz <da...@opensys.com> writes:
In article <31A0C5...@opensys.com> David Siltz <da...@opensys.com> writes:
DS> Michael Allegretto wrote:
>> I have seen mention of the "Hand of the Masters" calendar. Does
>> anyone know if this is still available anywhere?
>>
>> -- Mike
DS> I bought my 1995 edition from Tom (Tom's Q-Stix) Madsen in
DS> Lincoln, Nebraska. When I called him about getting a 1996
DS> version he said he didn't think there would be one this year.
DS> This was back in November so the situation might have changed.
The calendar was co-ordinated/produced/whatever by Don Dixon of the
aforementioned Tom's. I met him last August in Las Vegas at the APA
vendor's exhibit found him to be one of the better ambassadors of the
sport.
Getting to the point, many of the cues in the calendar are true
masterpieces and as such aren't made every day. In fact, one of the
cues made by GinaCue (company name, can't remember the gentleman's
real name) is insured for something like $250K-$300K, was finished in
1966, and rather than ship it to the photo shoot was flown in the
hands of a trusted assistant.
I suspect that it will be difficult for Don to put together a
comparable collection of cues for some years to come...
Hank Miller, Ph.D., TSU Counseling Center
In article <2t6ivdh...@detlev.canada.sun.com>, geo...@canada.sun.com (Georg Nikodym) writes:
>>>>>> "DS" == David Siltz <da...@opensys.com> writes:
>In article <31A0C5...@opensys.com> David Siltz <da...@opensys.com> writes:
>
>
> DS> Michael Allegretto wrote:
> >> I have seen mention of the "Hand of the Masters" calendar. Does
> >> anyone know if this is still available anywhere?
> >>
> >> -- Mike
>
> DS> I bought my 1995 edition from Tom (Tom's Q-Stix) Madsen in
> DS> Lincoln, Nebraska. When I called him about getting a 1996
> DS> version he said he didn't think there would be one this year.
> DS> This was back in November so the situation might have changed.
>
>The calendar was co-ordinated/produced/whatever by Don Dixon of the
>
You mean Don Daley--
aforementioned Tom's. I met him last August in Las Vegas at the APA
>vendor's exhibit found him to be one of the better ambassadors of the
>sport.
>
Right! He's a good guy.
>Getting to the point, many of the cues in the calendar are true
>masterpieces and as such aren't made every day. In fact, one of the
>cues made by GinaCue (company name, can't remember the gentleman's
>real name) is insured for something like $250K-$300K, was finished in
> 1966, and rather than ship it to the photo shoot was flown in the
>hands of a trusted assistant.
>
The cue of which you speak was made by Ernie Guttierez. The folklore around
this cue is that Ernie was offered and turned down $75,000.
>I suspect that it will be difficult for Don to put together a
>comparable collection of cues for some years to come...
The limiting factor in producing another such calendar is certainly NOT the
lack of beautiful cues. While the cues in the calendar were, of course,
unique and beautiful, there have been any number of cues made since mid 1994
(when the photos were taken) that have equalled and in a number of cases
eclipsed those shown in the calendar. Cues by Samsara (3 of which sold for
$52,000), Thomas Wayne (whose newer cues are even more creative and
breathtaking than his cues shown in the calendar), Bill Stroud (who has
designed a cue which will retail at $100,000!!!--see my ad in the July issue
of Robb Report), Ernie G., himself, Richard Black,Mike Bender, etc...and the
list goes on.
The main problem in doing the calendar is getting the appropriate funding and
getting the job done in a timely fashion.
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SLMLRD1
In a message dated 96-05-28 18:21:31 EDT, you write:
>The Color-Of-Money was a total bust among pool players I have
encountered.
>Non-players or wannabes who found themselves in a pool hall started cue
>swinging, stabbing, numchuking (sp) etc, thinking that they looked cool
and
>the balls would react by going in the hole and therefore making easy
money
>from pool hall gambling idiots.
I can understand your reaction to idiots. I can also understand my point.
I think that an important idea in the movie was Vincent's transition from
a "swinging, stabbing, numchuking (sp) etc, thinking that they looked cool
and the balls would react by going in the hole and therefore making easy
money from pool hall gambling idiots" type of player to a mature, cold,
professional. You know, the old guy teaches the new guy thing? I also
know that "The Color of Money" is what inspired me to go from a ball
banger who couldn't run 2 balls on a good day to a player who wants to
learn everything he can about the sport. For that alone, the movie was a
success.
>It may or may not have made money at the box office, but it has taken a
bit
>of time to get all of the Zorro types to quit wacking the walls, each
other,
>and innocent bystanders with their cues. (Always house cues or $30
Service
>Merchandise cues, I've never seen it happen with a $1k Shon or Stroud.)
I would be pretty irritated if someone smacked my Dale Perry against the
table.
>So I repeat:
>Fortunately the movie was a bust (among players) and Zorro-dom (cue
>flagellating) has fallen off.
I still think that the exposure Walter Tevis, Paul Newman, Tom Cruise, and
even Whoopi Goldberg have given the sport is worth the nusiances. Morons
will be morons no matter where where they are and no matter who they are
immitating; there will just be fewer pool halls for them to do it in.
>Take care, and shoot straight. Wack me with a cue, and I'll wack you
back.
>Nothing personal.
O.K.
-Darren
DBAllred
In article <4oid3r$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, slm...@aol.com (SLMLRD1)
writes:
> I also
>know that "The Color of Money" is what inspired me to go from a ball
>banger who couldn't run 2 balls on a good day to a player who wants to
>learn everything he can about the sport. For that alone, the movie was a
For me, it was "Donald Duck in Mathemagicland"
DB Allred OKC
Carl M. Pearson
In article <4oid3r$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, slm...@aol.com (SLMLRD1) says:
>
>I also
>know that "The Color of Money" is what inspired me to go from a ball
>banger who couldn't run 2 balls on a good day to a player who wants to
>learn everything he can about the sport. For that alone, the movie was a
>-Darren
>
The movie was a success, for you, by focusing
your interest in the grand game. Congrats!
I do not believe that, like Madonna, that ANY
exposure is good (for the sport.) Run-a-muck egos,
cue swirling martial-arts-de-Balabushka motions,
deceptive hustling, thrill seeking babe willing
to trade bod-for-thrill, and "If you win-we beat
you up" wagering. Yea, a great image.
"If I act confident as Ca-Ca, swing my cue, and
get in my opponents face, I, too, will be Tom
Cruise, make easy money, and get the babe." That
is what seemed to stick in the public's eye. A
wave of TC-wannabes swept the halls, then faded
when they found out the game took thought and
practise.
Maybe a few, like yourself, caught the bug, and in
that regard the movie has helped "The Cause."
Available anywhere. 99 cents, and you can rent
"The Color of Money." A training flick for pool.
I suspect that this forum did their thing about
TCOM many moons ago, and this probably constitutes
old news.
Like I said, "Whack me with a cue, and I'll whack
you back. Nothing personal."
Welcome to billiards, etal. Inform your wife/GF
ASAP, that you have a demanding Mistress, and even
introduce them. It might, just might, save a
whole lot of expense and grief at a later date.
Take my word on it.
Back to work, Carl.
Carl
SLMLRD1
In article <4ojr0r$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dbal...@aol.com (DBAllred)
writes:
>> I also
>>know that "The Color of Money" is what inspired me to go from a ball
>>banger who couldn't run 2 balls on a good day to a player who wants to
>>learn everything he can about the sport. For that alone, the movie was
a
>
>For me, it was "Donald Duck in Mathemagicland"
>
>DB Allred OKC
>
>
Just out of curiosity, since it was a 3C demo, do you play 3c or Pocket
Billiards?
-D
DBAllred
In article <4okhm0$q...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, slm...@aol.com (SLMLRD1)
writes:
>Just out of curiosity, since it was a 3C demo, do you play 3c or Pocket
>Billiards?
>
>
I was 10 at the time (1960) and I've always played pool (though I'm not
exactly a stranger to 3-Cushion or snooker). I made my first three-rail
kick shot the day after seeing it on television and have been totally
enamored with cue sports of all varieties ever since. It's amazing what a
little positive reinforcement can do! BTW: It's available on video.
DB Allred OKC
carl rabe
This probably has no bearing on the original post, but I've had the chance to
play at "Chris' Billiards" in Chicago (where I live). That was wear part of
the movie was filmed. It was the upstairs pool hall. No one in there swings
cues around. The place is great. They even have free lessons on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. I just wanted to get that out. :) Carl
David Siltz
SLMLRD1 wrote:
>
> ...
> I still think that the exposure Walter Tevis, Paul Newman, Tom Cruise,
> and even Whoopi Goldberg have given the sport is worth the nusiances.
> Morons will be morons no matter where where they are and no matter
> who they are immitating; there will just be fewer pool halls for
> them to do it in.
Just wanted to add that, while I agree with what you say above (although
the Whoopi Goldberg attaboy is stretching it), I'm not sure that
Walter Tevis had much to do with the storyline that the movie followed.
The book 'the color of money' has very little in common with what ended
up on screen.
--
David S. Siltz Systems Engineer
da...@opensys.com OpenSystems, Inc.
(206)803-5000 x104 http://www.opensys.com
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-- Last words of General John Sedgwick
Chuck Woo
In article <4okagl$i...@nntp.onramp.net>,
Carl M. Pearson <carl_p...@datamatic.com> wrote:
>Available anywhere. 99 cents, and you can rent
>"The Color of Money." A training flick for pool.
ha ha, you mean a training flick for learning trick-type shots that will
never occur in a game. I like to think that if you recognize the shots
for what they are then you have at least begun to understand pool. that's
what I like to believe, anyway ;)
- Chuck
Carl M. Pearson
>what I like to believe, anyway ;) Chuck
"Training Flick" with max sarcasm. "How to act like a goof, Hollywood
style."
I hope they didn't REALLY swing a classic Balabushka around
like a martial arts weapon. Poor Ol' Mr. B would be standing in line
for a heavenly one-day pass to return to earth and severely punish
said offender, be it director, actor or stunt man. I am sure that the
Pro's working on the picture injected, at least once, "a player
wouldn't do that, even a young, great, egotistical one."
Even a 4 ball, shoot-stop, shoot-stop, etc, out for BIG bucks will
have a top player concentrating. Every one of them, at some time
in tournaments or gambling has dogged an easy out. I could probably
have paid off my mortgage if I never dogged, and I'm only a $10/$20
player. Sigh.
But then again, I've seen players launch their cue after a miss,
so maybe .......
The one I giggle the most at is when Paul Neuman is handed $6,000
(or $8,000, something like that) because Tom Cruise has been
dumping in the tourney to "Get" the boys gambling in the back room.
Two flaws, first of all, if you hand a player that kind of money,
he won't care why. If you don't say "hold this for me" or
"this makes us square" or something like that, you are nuts. If
you hand it to a player and say "this is for you" be happy with a
"Thanks" but don't expect a hug, kiss or romp in the shower.
Have them refuse the money? Yea, right.
Second, the "boys" don't care if you win, lose, or are even in the
tourney. SOMEBODY will say "let's play." No dodge, duck, dump
is remotely required. If fact, you can win the dang thing while
crushing everybody in sight, and somebody will still be there for
some serious action.
If they rewrote the scene, Paul would say "It's about time. There's
hope for you yet, kid. Who's next? I might look for side action."
Jeff Prey
PoolWizard
>David Siltz wrote:
>"The book 'the color of money' has very little in common >with what ended
>up on screen."
Where could I find a copy of this book or the Hustler for that matter? --
Very interested in Tevis.
Also, to all the people focusing on "Tom Cruise" in this movie, I would
like to just point something out to all of you. This movie's main
character was not Tom Cruise, it was Paul Newman as Fast Eddie. Tom Cruise
was just used for the purpose of being a bufoon, and the inspiration I got
from the movie was through the plight of Eddie Felson. The story wasn't
about Lauria or his "cue swinging" antics, but rather about the comeback
of a one time great pool shooter fast eddie. It's main focus was the
change that fast Eddie encountered on this journey to reclaim his skill.
The pool world had changed, and Eddie had to struggle to become accustomed
to the new players ("Plus there's drugs now. Kids are playing at coke
speed. When I was young it was bews...I don't know somehow it seemed more
human."), games ("Straight Pool is pool, this is like cribbage or hand
ball or something...Nine ball is fast. Good for T.V., good for alot of
break shots. Oh well, what the hell, checkersd even table legs ("What'd
they do, saw the legs off this thing? Table for dwarves or something").
The fact is that the movie could've concentrated less on Cruise and more
on Newman, but I think that if you watch it again, you'll see that
Cruise's character, Vincent Lauria was not used as the heroic character or
good guy, but rather as the stupid kid, who is the catalyst for getting
Eddie back into Pool. What alot of people got from this movie rather than
Cue swinging and jabbing, or whatever, is that the game does require
practice(which Eddie goes through alot of), struggle(alot in this movie)
and losses in order to get the gold at the end of the rainbow, the glory.
--Nick
PoolWizard
Carl, youre a total idiot. Maybe you should go to a real pool room, and
develop a love for this game rather than focusing on the plot flaws which
aren't flaws. Felson gave the money back because he had pride (character),
the main theme of both the COM and the hustler. Jesus, man youre just
pathetic---Get back to work "CARL"
Nick
Chuck Woo
In article <4ourf3$1...@news.onramp.net>,
Carl M. Pearson <carl_p...@datamatic.com> wrote:
>I hope they didn't REALLY swing a classic Balabushka around
my understanding is that the cue in question is a Dan Janes-built Joss.
- Chuck
Carl M. Pearson
TOTAL idiot? Not likely. Partial idiot, maybe. Most pool
players have a little chunk of that. Knocking colored balls
into pockets for hours on end? Ask any pool-widow if we're
idiots.
>Maybe you should go to a real pool room
A REAL pool room? Chicago's Chris's and (defunct) Benzinger's(sp).
Several in New York. CJ's in Dallas. Click's - Dallas.
Eric's and Galaxy in Texas. Billy Shick's room in Shreveport?
Johnston City, during its heyday. Fats would flash a roll
of cash and guys would be tripping over each other to get to
him but he just wanted to flash cash and rattle his trap.
He'd play but only if he had an edge and he would mouth off
during the whole match - continuous sharking. If you
recall, Johnston City (Jansco Brothers) was featured in
the Color of Money.
Do you even know what STATE it was in? Point to it on the map.
> a real pool room
Could you do me a favor? Point out a REAL pool hall to me.
I, obviously, have missed ALL of them in my travels. I've
been cheated out of finding a REAL pool hall! Maybe by a Hustler?
>develop a love for this game
Love of the game? Don't challenge that, bucko, you missed that
mark by a few light years.
>rather than focusing on the plot flaws which aren't flaws.
Focusing on the plot flaws? Not flaws? It seems to me the
movie was ABOUT Hustlers. In fact, reaching back into your
memory, Paul's original movie was named "The Hustler." This
was supposed to be the update to what happened to Fast Eddie.
He (memory thing again) latched onto Tom Cruise to resume
HUSTLING. And Tom Cruise goes fly-fishing with a Balabushka?
Paul turns down $6k? And Pro's are {{{afraid}}} (those were
shakes) of Cruise if he wins a few matches in the tourney?
Yea, right.
I am not a Hustler nor do I appreciate much of what they
bring to the game. But they are there. Their methods
don't change much. And they do add color. Prostitutes
and motorcycle gangs hanging around in front add color,
too. Fortunately, Hustlers aren't as bad as all that,
but I prefer the science and psychology of the game.
>Felson gave the money back because he had pride (character),
So Felson had pride? Good. So he gave back (to a Hustler)
$6k. OK. The Hustler (Tom) would simply say something
like "OK, I tried, see you later! Baby, (to the girl)
let's boogie!"
I am happy that the movie stimulated interest in the
game. I am not happy that it portrayed most players as
"money or your teeth" players and portrayed good players
as carnivors looking for easy prey. Nor am I happy that
a wave of "Zorro" pool players was born waving their
cues like antennaes in "Twister."
>the main theme of both the COM and the hustler.
Pride is the main theme of the COM and the hustler?
The COM, sure.
The Hustler? Pride? Hustler? Pride? Hustler?
Are you awake? The true Hustler measures
success by money obtained, nothing else.
That may even be part of the definition of
Hustler in the dictionary. Paul sure showed
pride when he wanted Tom to dump to get to that
black businessman's wallet.
>Jesus, man
Jesus. Didn't know he played. Haven't seen him
in the newsgroup. Quote him if you like, but I
hope you are not invoking religious fervor in
you ill-thought diatribe?
> youre just pathetic
Pathetic? Naw. Gee, you're rude. My feelings
are hurt. (Sad Face, shifty eyes) Gimme the break?
I notice AOL, MUSKY.STATE and POOLWIZARD.
Which are you? Naw, not "PoolWizard!"
Sounds more like a college kid. Nothing wrong
with being a CK, but mouthy brats, now that is
another subject. No accusations intended.
(Psst: I Bet you swing your cue and high five each
other on a bank shot.) Gotcha!
Back to your books, POOLWIZARD. I'll see you
in Las Vegas next May for the BCA Nationals.
I'm good for book money, not tuition money.
And I'm REAL easy, believe me.
I haven't had this much fun since I ran into Nick Varner
in the Purdue Pool Room, jumped out 10-1, and never
saw the table again. Now, THAT hurt.
>Get back to work "CARL"
By the way, I work whenever I want to, no more, no less.
And I love my work, it amazes me that I get paid for it.
Back to work, Carl, you know you love it.
Carl
SLMLRD1
In article <31AF3D...@opensys.com>, David Siltz <da...@opensys.com>
writes:
>Just wanted to add that, while I agree with what you say above (although
>the Whoopi Goldberg attaboy is stretching it), I'm not sure that
>Walter Tevis had much to do with the storyline that the movie followed.
>The book 'the color of money' has very little in common with what ended
>up on screen.
>
>
I realize that. What,....don't you like Whoopi's bridge? Or her
definition of "kiss shot'?
-Darren
Carl M. Pearson
>Also, to all the people focusing on "Tom Cruise" in this movie, I would
>like to just point something out to all of you. This movie's main
>character was not Tom Cruise, it was Paul Newman as Fast Eddie. Tom Cruise
>was just used for the purpose of being a bufoon, and the inspiration I got
>from the movie was through the plight of Eddie Felson. The story wasn't
>about Lauria or his "cue swinging" antics, but rather about the comeback
>of a one time great pool shooter fast eddie. It's main focus was the
>change that fast Eddie encountered on this journey to reclaim his skill.
In the book.
Ask people who have seen the movie, this question.
"Who was in it, and describe their character."
60% will say "Tom Cruise as a hot-shot, pool playing hustler.
Cue swinging makes you shoot better, I think it's a roolrule."
39.9% will say "Tom Cruise and Paul Neuman, and Paul is trying
to teach Tom how to hustle pool. Tom is the hot-shot.
Cue swinging might make you shoot better, it did for Tom."
.1% Will say something akin to "Portraying the inner struggle
of an aging Hustler trying to regain his skills through
hard work and discipline while exemplifying high moral
character on his plight filled journey."
Opinion Poll survey certified by Coopers & Lybrand, CPA's.
Want their phone number?
Carl
Carl M. Pearson
Thanks!
Any estimate of how many tips and shafts got embedded in the floor,
walls, and each other during filming?
Would you think there is a special antidote for cue chalk wounds?
Was Care-Flight standing-by to evacuate the wounded?
Did you notice that most of Cruise's twirling was done WITHOUT
a crowd in the background? Did OSHA or Equity Union rules apply?
Did insurance premiums rival a Stallone movie? Segal? Carrey?
Will Jim Carrey do the sequel, replacing Tom Cruise?
"Enquirer Readers want to know!"
SLMLRD1
In article <4p1hih$m...@news.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
M. Pearson) writes:
>If you
>recall, Johnston City (Jansco Brothers) was featured in
>the Color of Money.
I think you are thinking of the Baltimore Bullet
>
>Do you even know what STATE it was in? Point to it on the map
Illinois, Johnston City, about 25 min from my house . Now a bar called
Hurley's Showbar. Real hill billy roadhouse.
-Darren
SLMLRD1
>my understanding is that the cue in question is a Dan Janes-built Joss.
>
>
Correct. They sold a few autographed and un-autographed ones a few years
ago. The Billiards Shop on Mendenhal in Memphis had one for sale
$3,500.00 or $5,000.00 I can't remember. Only 3 made. (Autographed by
Cruise).
-Darren
tchamb02
See The Hustler- it was made in the 60's, when they put plots that you
couldn't always predict in movies.
AWUSMC
>I haven't had this much fun since I ran into Nick Varner
>in the Purdue Pool Room, jumped out 10-1, and never
>saw the table again. Now, THAT hurt.
Whoa! Remind me to keep my wallet away from you, Carl! <vbg>
Anthony
Carl M. Pearson
In article <4p24v9$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, slm...@aol.com (SLMLRD1) says:
>
>In article <4p1hih$m...@news.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
>M. Pearson) writes:
>>the Color of Money.
>>Do you even know what STATE it was in? Point to it on the map
>Illinois, Johnston City, about 25 min from my house . Now a bar called
>Hurley's Showbar. Real hill billy roadhouse.
>-Darren
It may have been in the BaltBullet, but it was (also) in Color Of Money.
Thanks. I hadn't been back for 25 years. Its layout and location
should make it perfect for a $1.50 a beer roadhouse. I went to
school in Jacksonville and, as one of the top 3 players back then,
would go there to contribute and watch. Of those three, one is
dead and the other gave up pool. So (seeing as neither will see
this and challenge me) I WAS THE BEST IN JACKSONVILLE and in
the surrounding area.
(Silence while waiting for challenge.)
My, how fame is fleeting.
Watched a couple of guys playing $100 one-pocket in 1967. Even,
after 3 hours and they jacked it to $500. 1967.
Care to upgrade those dollars to 1996?
"Handsome Danny Jones" was. Fats ran his mouth. UJ Puckett looked
like a big, hatted gorilla playing pool with a conductor's baton.
Boston Shorty was always table hooked. He spent all of his time
stretched out on the table and could still draw it the length
of the table with a 3 inch stroke.
Great times.
Carl
SLMLRD1
In article <4p4b2c$b...@news.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
M. Pearson) writes:
>It may have been in the BaltBullet, but it was (also) in Color Of Money.
Where? When? Describe the scene please.
-D
PoolWizard
Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
knock it off!
POOLSHOTER
In article <4okagl$i...@nntp.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
M. Pearson) writes:
>A
>wave of TC-wannabes swept the halls, then faded
>when they found out the game took thought and
>practise.
>
>
But alot of those stuck arround also and got better and now are beating up
on everybody who stood arround and made fun of the movie.
S.C.
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David Siltz
SLMLRD1 wrote:
>
> I realize that. What,....don't you like Whoopi's bridge? Or her
> definition of "kiss shot'?
>
> -Darren
A bridge, huh? Is that what she calls that thing she was doing
with her hand? Could've fooled me.
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Carl M. Pearson
In article <4p9bjt$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pools...@aol.com (POOLSHOTER) says:
>
>In article <4okagl$i...@nntp.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
>M. Pearson) writes:
>>A wave of TC-wannabes swept the halls, then faded
>>when they found out the game took thought and
>>practise.
>
>But alot of those stuck arround also and got better and now are beating up
>on everybody who stood arround and made fun of the movie.
>S.C.
>
Possibly. But those changed from Tom Cruise Wannabes to
pool-player wannabes, and then put in the practise and thought.
For every 100 wannabes, if 1 stuck it out I'd be surprised.
They stopped swinging their cues, pounding on the table and
stopped trying to mimic the Cruise smirk. They learned that
to make money you play three hundred games at $10, not 1 game for
a $1,000. They learned that the tip is more important than
if the cue rolls straight on the table. They learned that
you slide the rack of balls back to look for the little hole(s)
on the spot for the headball, not to fluff the felt or to
"settle" the balls. They learned that all 3 points on the rack
were not exactly the same angle. They learned that all chalk
isn't alike. They learned that waving the pinkie doesn't
make the ball go in the hole and they learned that cuts are
generally better than banks, but they damn well better learn how
to bank, too. And they learned that a nine-ball rack was useless
and a good triangle shaped rack does all.
And they learned that there is no such thing as looking at a person
and telling if they were a pool player or not. Their false mannerisms
fell away and they settled down to the skill/science/mindset/practise
of their cuesport.
God, I love this game, I don't know why and I don't give a shit why.
I just wish I was a teensy weensy itty bitty little bit better at it.
I wrote a story about a year ago titled :
"Cappy, Cappy, you've ruined my life!"
It is about my uncle Cappy and his infecting me with the
drug of pool. It was published in the American Cueist magazine.
(cue...@ix.netcom.com)
If you started as a Tom Cruise, gave it up and joined us, WELCOME!
(And if I catch you swinging your cue and you hit me, I'll risk legal
entanglements and whack you up side the head with a house cue
not my custom Shick.)
Whack to work, Carl.
Carl
CUE too
SLMLRD1 wrote:
>
> I realize that. What,....don't you like Whoopi's bridge? Or her
> definition of "kiss shot'?
>
> -Darren
>A bridge, huh? Is that what she calls that thing she was doing
>with her hand? Could've fooled me.
Would someone kindly tell me which movie involved a scene with Whoopi
Goldberg playing pool? I doubt I've ever seen it.
Thanks,
Paul
CUE too
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Wizard:
What's your problem? I for one always look forward to Carl Pearson's
postings. He always comes through with a hearty, nostalgic, and humerous
approach to the game. I fail to find his "pathetic memories" anywhere on
the newsgroup, but I do see color, humor, and entertainment that makes
this newsgroup entertaining after a barrage of physics and technical
questions. (not to say I mind those posts, but I think people like Carl
provide a great balance)
He may not always be PC, but come on, we're pool players not
feminists. Maybe he didn't like The Color of Money, but hey, this is a
forum of opinions where countless people have tried to tell me that a
Meucci is the finest cue this world has ever seen. Nobody's getting hurt
and no law says you have to read a post.
These so-called "old timers" only preserve the richness and lore of
the game (which I find very interesting), helping us keep our sanity in
the face of pools new "yuppified" image. And to top it all off, you
complain about "memories" and then post a short story that takes place in
1967.
"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King
Hats off to you Carl! :-)
Paul
(awaiting immature flame including the words "Jesus," "pathetic," "loser,"
"crap," etc. If you want to attack me, at least do it with some
style...I bore easily.)
Carl M. Pearson
In article <4p9c9n$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, poolw...@aol.com (PoolWizard) says:
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Temper, temper. Simply press the down arrow, and skip anything
with my name on it. Please. I use my real name, every time.
Middle aged stories, to be exact. Been to any REAL pool halls lately?
Calmly,
Carl
AWUSMC
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Hey Carl! I LIKE your stories! Keep it up!
Anthony
Brad Rylander
In article <4ovvpc$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
PoolWizard <poolw...@aol.com> wrote:
>Carl, youre a total idiot. Maybe you should go to a real pool room, and
>develop a love for this game rather than focusing on the plot flaws which
>aren't flaws. Felson gave the money back because he had pride (character),
>the main theme of both the COM and the hustler. Jesus, man youre just
>pathetic---Get back to work "CARL"
>
poolwizard sure knows how to make himself kill file fodder. Sometimes
I'm tempted to put aol in my global kill file instead of just the techie
groups.
Oh well, have fun folks.
Brad
Richard Story
Carl,
Thanks for telling about your article in the Cueist.
However, we have moved the page to:
<A href = "http://cust.iamerica.net/cueist/"</A>
Check us out if you haven't already.
Thanks,
Richard Story
American Cueist Magazine
Tom Bellhouse
poolw...@aol.com (PoolWizard) wrote:
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Poolwiz:
I'd rather hear Carl.
Wanna play a little one-pocket, ten a game?
Tom Bellhouse
PulHustler
poolw...@aol.com (PoolWizard) wrote:
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Hey Wiz, Ive been seeing your name around alot lately, and I dont think
that once youve said something nice. Have some respect. After Tom B. is
done with you, maybe youd play me? After all you are a wizard.....
-Hustler
SLMLRD1
In article <4p9ua4$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cue...@aol.com (CUE too)
writes:
>ould someone kindly tell me which movie involved a scene with Whoopi
>Goldberg playing pool? I doubt I've ever seen it.
>
>
Kiss Shot
-D
Unknown
==========CUE too, 6/7/96==========
>Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
>littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
>knock it off!
Wizard:
I agree with Paul 100%! Keep'em coming Carl!!
Kris :-)
Michael Yarros
PoolWizard wrote:
>
> Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
> littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
> knock it off!
Hey, I like Carls insight to the game of pool aswell, let em' post
away!!
mike :)
Georg Nikodym
awu...@aol.com (AWUSMC) writes:
> In article <4p9c9n$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, poolw...@aol.com
> (PoolWizard) writes:
>
> >Carl Im sick of you and your old timer stories. Will ya shut UP??? Your
> >littering your pathetic memories all over this damn bulletin board. Now
> >knock it off!
>
> Hey Carl! I LIKE your stories! Keep it up!
Ditto.
I wish there were more people like Carl in my area that I could learn
from.
P.S. I was but an infant when Carl was playing in Johnson City. I
don't think age has anything to do with anything when it comes to
pool.
John Walkup
carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl M. Pearson) writes:
>In article <4p9bjt$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pools...@aol.com (POOLSHOTER) says:
>>
>>In article <4okagl$i...@nntp.onramp.net>, carl_p...@datamatic.com (Carl
>>M. Pearson) writes:
>>>A wave of TC-wannabes swept the halls, then faded
>>>when they found out the game took thought and
>>>practise.
>>
>>But alot of those stuck arround also and got better and now are beating up
>>on everybody who stood arround and made fun of the movie.
>>S.C.
>Possibly. But those changed from Tom Cruise Wannabes to
>pool-player wannabes, and then put in the practise and thought.
>For every 100 wannabes, if 1 stuck it out I'd be surprised.
>They stopped swinging their cues, pounding on the table and
>stopped trying to mimic the Cruise smirk. They learned that
I never saw the film, but I have this sneaky suspicion that in the
movie Tom Cruise looks the other way as he shoots the money ball
in. For some reason, some of my opponents have been doing this
all of a sudden. Invariably, they miss.
Now if I only played them for money...