Are US citizens unable to play any cuesport?
Jason Batley
Considering that there are easily 10 times more 9-ball players in the
States than in Europe, and in the UK the field is only maybe a few
hundred, then why can't the US dominate 9-ball?
Snooker is the ultimate cuesport, with even minor professionals
earning hundreds of thousands. It is the ultimate test of cueing
ability and if you doubt it then why not try it and earn yourself a
few grand?
We don't play much 9-ball over here cos the tables are very rare.
Steve Davis is a poor excuse for a snooker player now that he is old,
but Hey Presto he can still beat the World 9-ball Champion.
9-ball is a game that requires very little skill and if Ronnie
O'Sullivan had taken the game up rather than deciding to be a
multi-millionaire snooker player then you might as well all pack in
playing.
Patrick Johnson
Not a real subtle troll, are you?
I'm sure very few Brits are such dolts.
(Merely an observation...)
Pat Johnson
Chicago
PG
BS is cheap - how do you play???
Jim
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Uncle Buck
hand you chalked your cue with?'
ROFLMAO
this group in particular is full of middle aged men with disposable income
who think playing pool gives them a chance at a second youth. They probably
all have a tattoo, a Harley and a Vietnamese wife named Mindy who they found
and bought via the internet as well
Here's to Steve beating Strickland's arse - but remember.... it was all to
do with the cues they used....not because they played crap..... Nick Varner
in particular played poor..... in fact he missed more times than a
cross-eyed Kamikaze pilot ;-)
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dalecue
of dominating Snooker - in England - if you would let them play
pro Snooker is a closed old boys club - can*t believe you
don*t know that
Dale
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Uncle Buck
anyone can become a pro snooker player - you pay your tournament fees sign
on the dotted line and you become a 'pro' snooker player.
The world championship in previous years as been an open event where even
amateur players could enter.
Can't believe you didn't know that
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dalecue
Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
>You're an idiot
nice example of those famous British good manners
how about:
Brits et al shoot 2 1/16 in balls into 4 in pockets
the angle of the Black ball on spot makes it a hanger compared to the
7 ball<black ball> on a tight American Snooker table
the english pros are _very_ weak in their ability to play position
the much adored concept of how hard a game Snooker is,
compared to poll, is totally false except for rank beginers
Snooker strategy is easily mastered by even an intermediate
pool plaqyer
if you want a true test of cuesport skill, let a couple of your nancy boy
snooker stars come over here with the crown jewls and try
playing some one pocket
there are probably at least 300 American players who would
_crush_ the snooker pros at that game
see if you can respond to the comments this time
Dale<--who may well be an idiot, but you can get a 25 point spot
on an IQ comparison if you put the money up in cash>
Uncle Buck
> there are probably at least 300 American players who would
> _crush_ the snooker pros at that game
This statement alone clearly illustrates my statement that you are indeed an
idiot
dalecue
nice rebuttal
is the concept of a fact beyond your intellectial capability?
Dale
>
>
Uncle Buck
> is the concept of a fact beyond your intellectial capability?
Anyway, if it is a 'fact' that, quote....
'there are probably at least 300 American players who would _crush_ the
snooker pros at that game'
please name them.
Your credibility in front of your countrymen is on the line now, so there's
no pressure at all to prove yourself. Unless of course, you've confused
shameless tub-thumpnig and rhetoric as fact.
I await your reply.....
Raveloman
>
>Considering that there are easily 10 times more 9-ball players in the
>States than in Europe, and in the UK the field is only maybe a few
>hundred, then why can't the US dominate 9-ball?
Mosconi Cup winners:
1994 Rollerbowl, Romford USA win 16-12
1995 Festival Hall, Basildon Europe win 16-15
1996 Goresbrook Centre, Dagenham USA win 15-13
1997 York Hall, Bethnal Green USA win 13-8
1998 York Hall, Bethnal Green USA win 13-9
1999 York Hall, Bethnal Green USA win 12-7
2000 York Hall, Bethnal Green USA win 12-9
2001 York Hall, Bethnal Green USA win 12-1
2002 Europe wins 12-9
'Nuff said.
Jerry R
RIPP
> Not as derogatory as the title may suggest, but merely an observation.
>
> Considering that there are easily 10 times more 9-ball players in the
> States than in Europe, and in the UK the field is only maybe a few
> hundred, then why can't the US dominate 9-ball?
I guess you have a very short memory.Let me help to refresh it.
YEAR RESULT
1994 USA wins 16-12
1995 Europe wins 16-15
1996 USA wins 15-13
1997 USA wins 13-8
1998 USA wins 13-9
1999 USA wins 12-7
2000 USA wins 12-9
2001 USA wins 12-1
2002 Europe wins 12-9
George Comerford <---Believes even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while
Providence,RI
Bob Hartman
Congratulation to Europe. Job well done. Looking forward to next year.
Hey, nobody's perfect. But we come close. We win 90% of our matches
against that little peninsula (Europe is not a continent) and you
think that you are winning because you have won maybe 10% of the
annual contests.
The Mosconi Cup is an interesting, fun, serious, and important event
for many reasons, and everyone wants to win. With races to 5 no one
in the USA considers one match against against another player
indicative of ones skill. Apparently you do. In your snooker world
are not the champions determined by something like 17 frames (games to
us)? Our champions are determined by races that range from 11 to 15
games with most a double elimination.
tally-ho and all that rot
Bob Hartman
dalecue
Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
>
>> is the concept of a fact beyond your intellectial capability?
>
>Anyway, if it is a 'fact' that, quote....
>
>'there are probably at least 300 American players who would _crush_ the
>snooker pros at that game'
>
>please name them.
what are you seven? How about one Snooker player who would have
a prayer against Varner?
>
>Your credibility in front of your countrymen is on the line now, so there's
>no pressure at all to prove yourself. Unless of course, you've confused
>shameless tub-thumpnig
interesting choice of wording that <shameless tub-thumping>
would some one who FINALLY stumbled to a victory
after going one for eight, then claimed superiority,
qualify
I await your response on the IQ bet
Dale<who knows for sure it is OK to abuse trolls>
Uncle Buck
them then, seeing it is a fact
1 snooker player who could 'have a prayer' against Varner - Steve Davis
next question please
<not a troll, just someone with a differing opinion to yourself>
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dalecue
we were talking specifically one pocket
seriously, for a moment, I*m well aware of how good Steve is at snooker -
but you can*t really think he would have a chance in one pocket do you?
the problem with naming one pocket players is their play mostly isn*t public
we don*t have the official structure for competition like you do in snooker
300 is an estimate based on my own familiarity with the ability of
what we refer to as shortstops<top local players>
and watching Steve Davis play pool when he was still the top snooker
player in the world
there are probably close to 100 in the DC-Baltimore-Philadelphia
corridor alone
but back to 9 ball, the US team is 80% players who are not
in the top 20 of tournament pros - and one of them probably
isn*t in the top 120
also you ducked Europe*s 1 win, 7 loss record prior to this year
let me see... wouldn*t that be a fact?
ps try one of the online glossaries for a definition of troll
Dale
Mikko Jäntti
if Mosconi Cup would be extended to races to 11 and every player
would play against every player in the opposite team. I'm not
implying that Europe would win, I'm too realistic. Considering
the history of pool in America and in Europe, we're still behind
you in many cases. I think we lack for instance in one-pocket
skills, Europe is decades behind USA referring to the debate
in this same thread. I think there are at least 100 one-pocket
players in the States who would easily give spot to any top
snooker pro or pool pro... But now we're talking about one-pocket,
the case in 9-ball would be different. IMHO, it takes much more
racks in 9-ball to determine which player is "better" than in
straight pool or one-hole. The whole debate "which one is better"
is futile, if you look at the history of each area/continent.
Are snooker players more skilled than pool players ? I wouldn't
touch that subject with a 10 ft pole...
Regards,
Mikko Jantti
Espoo, Finland
Lou
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wrote:
>Considering that there are easily 10 times more 9-ball players in the
>States than in Europe, and in the UK the field is only maybe a few
>hundred, then why can't the US dominate 9-ball?
Probably because we Yank have to spent a lot of time and energy
WORKING for a living. We don't have the Government taking care of us.
:)
Best,
Nat
AQN
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HOO, I must have struck a nerve! :)
Nat
GSC
could just be based on numbers participating. England wouldn't win anything
on their own - but combining all the leading Europeans together they've done
a bit better.
2. Minor professionals in snooker don't earn enough to pay the rent - most
players outside the top 40 or so have outside jobs to make ends meet.
3. Steve Davis - oh excuse me - is this the same Steve Davis that has
reached the semi finals of one tournament already this season and dumped
several of the top players out of events - that's just the snooker - and
will still be in the Top 16 in the world next season - unless he doesn't
bother to play again this season?
4. somewhere further down this "very long" thread - several misconceptions
about how or who becomes a snooker pro in the UK... The structure works as
follows:
there is a Challenge tour in the Uk from which players are promoted to
themain tour - the CT players are already lower ranked pros.. there are play
offs from senior and junior associations in uk and europe to gain places to
CT and the top main tour - there are also qualification places available for
winners of play offs in Americas (for that read Canada - although the event
should by definition to be open to any player from North or South America),
Oceania, Asia, Europe... so you work your way up through the structures,
unless you're exceptional and say, win the world amateur title, open to all
countries each year, and win a promotion slot straight to the top tour.
So after all that, say you're American and want to become a snooker pro -
you start with entering the USA championship - yes there is one! - that will
get you an entry into the world Amateur event - or the world under 21 if
you're that good, and win one of those and you're on your way to the UK -
which currently seems to host all the major events.... the longer route, but
probably better in the long run, is to travel to the uk and get the top
quality practice and competition, gain residency to compete in England,
Ireland, Scotland or Wales events and qualify as their champion into play
offs and into european and world events - there are more routes open that
way... the easiest play off to win, with the smallest number of competitors
is currently the Americas - in recent years two events have been held in
Canada, one is the canadian championship - with the same faces winning
repeatedly - no new young players coming through at all.... so get across to
Canada and demand to be allowed to enter
--
Janie Watkins
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
www.janiewatkins.co.uk
"Jason Batley" >
Bob Hartman
> Bob, you have a point there. I wonder what would be the outcome
> if Mosconi Cup would be extended to races to 11 and every player
> would play against every player in the opposite team. I'm not
> implying that Europe would win, I'm too realistic. Considering
> the history of pool in America and in Europe, we're still behind
> you in many cases. I think we lack for instance in one-pocket
> skills, Europe is decades behind USA referring to the debate
> in this same thread. I think there are at least 100 one-pocket
> players in the States who would easily give spot to any top
> snooker pro or pool pro... But now we're talking about one-pocket,
> the case in 9-ball would be different. IMHO, it takes much more
> racks in 9-ball to determine which player is "better" than in
> straight pool or one-hole. The whole debate "which one is better"
> is futile, if you look at the history of each area/continent.
>
would alternating breaks and perhaps winning by two games. I think
there are at least half a dozen European players equal to our USA
half dozen best.
> Are snooker players more skilled than pool players ? I wouldn't
> touch that subject with a 10 ft pole...
>
Why not? :) I used to believe Snooker players overall were more
skilled than 9 Ball players. That thought was mostly based on the
shot making accuracy required as evidenced by Snooker players.
After playing on an English snooker table in England at a hotel I'm
not so sure now. The hardest part was getting familiar with the slow
cloth requiring frequent power strokes and concentrating harder on
aiming. I found I did not have to use the rails nearly as much, nor side
for that matter. Please don't think I am implying I'm good - my highest
run was only 46 in three days of playing. 9 Ball is a more---freewheeling
game, frequently using 2,3,4 rails, side off the rails for position and
for throwing the object ball. If not more skill involved, then certainly
more fun for me. The average shotmaking of a snooker player is definately
better of a Snooker player-I think.
After all this BS, which game requires the most skill? Who knows? They
are too different. Sorry to disappoint.
Bob Hartman---appreciates 9 Ball a little more, but loves 1 Hole
Alex Kanapilly
> if Mosconi Cup would be extended to races to 11 and every player
> would play against every player in the opposite team. I'm not
> implying that Europe would win, I'm too realistic. Considering
> the history of pool in America and in Europe, we're still behind
> you in many cases. I think we lack for instance in one-pocket
> skills, Europe is decades behind USA referring to the debate
> in this same thread. I think there are at least 100 one-pocket
> players in the States who would easily give spot to any top
> snooker pro or pool pro... But now we're talking about one-pocket,
> the case in 9-ball would be different. IMHO, it takes much more
> racks in 9-ball to determine which player is "better" than in
> straight pool or one-hole. The whole debate "which one is better"
> is futile, if you look at the history of each area/continent.
>
> Are snooker players more skilled than pool players ? I wouldn't
> touch that subject with a 10 ft pole...
>
> Regards,
> Mikko Jantti
> Espoo, Finland
You hit it right on the head, Mikko. We can't play snooker and your
boys can't play one pocket... hell, I can't either. But, 9ball is up
for grabs, especially in short races.
I think the guy arguing with Dale about 1p just doesn't know much
about the game.
Alex
Rich Shewmaker
I'm an old guy who's been around American poolhalls for a long time. I've
seen, and played a lot of one-pocket, and my take on the game is that it is
designed to be a hustle to take the money of players that are very good at
their eight-ball, nine-ball, 14.1 (in the old days), snooker, whatever, but
are not really practiced at one-pocket. The rules of one-pocket make it
sound like an easy straight-forward game, but the strategy is complex and
not easily learned or executed. You don't have to be the best cueist to win
at the game, just the most familiar with it.
So, yes there are quite a few one-pocket specialists who could kick ass
against the snooker guys, but, to be fair, the snooker players should insist
on return snooker matches to get their money back.
Hmmm. How about one-pocket on a snooker table? Ooooh, scarey.
--Rich
Frank G
>
> Hmmm. How about one-pocket on a snooker table? Ooooh, scarey.
>
>
>
I had a guy hounding me to play snooker so I offered to rack the reds
and play some one hole. He declined. I sort of wish he hadn't. It would
have been interesting to try some pretty standard shots with those
rounded corners.
--
Frank G
Frank-at-Quick-Clean.com
Clean your pool table cloth with our unique product.
www.quick-clean.com
Donald Tees
Now you are getting to my game ... eight ball on the snooker table. I'd
love to see an england/usa game at that, though the table would be too
crowded for the reverse.
Donald
Joe Z
refuses to attempt and makes the show worth watching,
almost makes it worth loosing. Bet you don't see many
shots like that in snooker.
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> Not as derogatory as the title may suggest, but merely an observation.
>