After gluing

[Steve B]

Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
there seems to be the issue of shaping. I took my two sided shaper/scuffer
pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

I'm going to google and look up what I'm supposed to be coming up with as
the ideal end shaped tip. It' seems a ways away from what I'm coming up
with my thick elkhide tips.

Is there a good shaper that will give me a rounded tip without working at it
a lot? It seems that after a tip is securely glued on to a shaft, that
there is considerably more work to be done.

Steve

[Ron Shepard]

In article <k1jc6c$bua$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

"Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
> there seems to be the issue of shaping. I took my two sided shaper/scuffer
> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

I think you want something like this

http://www.ozonebilliards.com/cuetipshandt.html

to do the rough work, and then use your shaper for the final shape.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[Jack]

This is the tool you want:

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/ultimate-tip-tool

After trimming the sides of the tip flush, which this tip does nicely,
it will shape your tip to a nickel or dime shape. To shape the tip, you
lay the tool on a table and put the shaft between open hands and spin
the shaft like you were trying to start a fire boy scout style.

I think I paid $20 for mine 10 years ago, so 16 bucks looks good.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

[Steve B]

"Ron Shepard" <ron-s...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ron-shepard-373F...@news60.forteinc.com...

I have one of these. When I put a new thick elk hide on, it just looks like
it is fairly flat across the crown, and all the tips I have seen have more
of a roundness to them. Are you saying to use this sander on the
perpendicular to the shaft, and use the inner radius of the sandpaper to
create a round crown? I'm sure that there's a device to do this, but if
that sander will work, I already got what I need.

Here's a couple of gizmos. The first looks like what I may need, and it is
inexpensive. The second one looks like it does everything but bake bread,
and is expensive.

http://www.ozonebilliards.com/rawqtiptool.html
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/joepobigsh.html

I went to Vegas, and the new pool hall I thought that would have supplies
doesn't. Will have to wait for another trip to get supplies, or just get
them on the net, as they have the best prices, and deliver, no gas money
involved.

Am setting up a lathe to dress shafts, and do various things, just having
fun playing with my tools and shop.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Jack" <jbst...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:k1lac7$7fl$2...@dont-email.me...

I just asked the question about the nickel and dime radius, and now think by
your description that I understand it. It's the radius of the crown when
looked at from the side. Looks like this is just what I need.

Thanks.

Steve

[Ron Shepard]

In article <k1ljmq$g6d$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

"Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Ron Shepard" <ron-s...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ron-shepard-373F...@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <k1jc6c$bua$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> > "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
> >> there seems to be the issue of shaping. I took my two sided
> >> shaper/scuffer
> >> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.
> >
> > I think you want something like this
> >
> > http://www.ozonebilliards.com/cuetipshandt.html
> >
> > to do the rough work, and then use your shaper for the final shape.
> >
> > $.02 -Ron Shepard
>
> I have one of these. When I put a new thick elk hide on, it just looks like
> it is fairly flat across the crown, and all the tips I have seen have more
> of a roundness to them. Are you saying to use this sander on the
> perpendicular to the shaft, and use the inner radius of the sandpaper to
> create a round crown? I'm sure that there's a device to do this, but if
> that sander will work, I already got what I need.

I'm not sure how to explain it any differently than I did before.
You use this tool with rough sandpaper to knock the square edges off
of the tip and to bring it closer to the final nickel/dime radius.
Then you use your nickel/dime radius tool to finish it off. There
are a lot of little tools for this. Here is the one I use most


http://www.muellers.com/Willard-Universal-Tool-Champ-358--Dime-Radius
,6143.html

It is a combination scuffer and tapper. After you shape the tip
with the scuffer, you will then use the tapper for a year or longer
until the tip wears out.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[Steve B]

"Ron Shepard" <ron-s...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote

> http://www.muellers.com/Willard-Universal-Tool-Champ-358--Dime-Radius
> ,6143.html
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard

Tried various ways, can't get it to work. Would like to see it, tho, if you
can provide link.

I know I will need to buy a few "devices". Just trying to get what I need,
not have duplications, and not spend a lot.

Steve

[Ron Shepard]

In article <k1mqe8$710$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

It looks like an extra carriage return got inserted somewhere in
that link, either by my newsreader when I posted it or by your
reader when you read it. The comma should come right after "Radius".
Otherwise, just go to the mueller site and click down to tip
maintenance tools, and it is one of the first ones displayed. It
says it is $18.95. I don't remember paying that much for it. On
the other hand, it does not wear out like the ones that have
sandpaper inserts. I've had mine for about 20 years, and it still
works just as well now as it did when it was new.

As others have mentioned, you don't want to use a scuffer shaper
tool routinely on your tip. You want to shape it once when the new
tip is installed, and then you use just the tapper or a tip pik type
of tool

http://www.muellers.com/Tip-Pik-Tool,2837.html

when necessary to roughen up the leather surface. There are several
similar tools available, and they all work about the same. The
interesting thing about this particular one is that the company
originally made steel phonograph needles. Then in the 60's that
market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

If you are ordering tools, another one I use a lot is the Mushroom
Graser

http://www.muellers.com/Mushroom-Graser,5699.html

If you have a lathe, then you might not need something like this,
but if you want something small to carry with you when you travel,
then this is a pretty good one. The blades do wear out eventually,
but you can sharpen them or you can replace them with the
appropriate Exacto knife blade (which Mueller also sells).

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[Mark0]

On Aug 30 2012 5:48 AM, Ron Shepard wrote:
snip

>Then in the 60's that
> market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
> they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
> one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
> old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.
>

snip

Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
chipmunks? Or did they sound like Hamsters?

--> Mark0 <-- only had 78RPM record players :O)

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[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Aug 30, 12:38 pm, "Mark0" <markmccau...@charter.net> wrote:

> Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
> chipmunks?   Or did they sound like Hamsters?

Hamsters can hear (and communicate) in the ultrasonic range. You're
not likely to hear one singing any time soon... if you do, you're
probably a bat.

Incidentally, I use a Tweetens Cue tip sander, Tweetens glue, a rubber
Cue Clamp, a Joe Porper Big Shaver, and a tip sander like the one Ron
showed a link to... I think you can get most of the tools in a set
from Tweetens... works for me.

David "The Hamster" Malone

[pltrgyst]

On 8/30/12 5:48 AM, Ron Shepard wrote:
>.... I'm old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

Ron, you're so old that your memory has lost a few Hz...

Now if you occasionally listened to Steve Key's great song "33, 45, 78"
you'd have only lost a third of a Hz. 8;)

-- Larry

[Ron Shepard]

In article <dfh4h9x...@news.ezprovider.com>,

"Mark0" <markmc...@charter.net> wrote:

> On Aug 30 2012 5:48 AM, Ron Shepard wrote:
> snip
> >Then in the 60's that
> > market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
> > they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
> > one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
> > old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.
> >
>
> snip
>
> Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
> chipmunks? Or did they sound like Hamsters?
>
> --> Mark0 <-- only had 78RPM record players :O)

Oops, yes, that was a typo. It looks like we are the only two here
who are old enough to remember.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[Ron Shepard]

In article <k1oeqo$ev2$2...@dont-email.me>,

Ok, here is another one old enough to catch my mistake.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[PatH]

I noticed the mistake but what confuses me is the people who "remember". Heck I still have a 78 rpm record player hooked up to my sound system. There is a major collectors market for a lot of those old records.

PatH..old enough to have forgotten what he remembers. definitely older than a certain Hamster

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Aug 31, 7:58 am, PatH <ph...@certcoinc.com> wrote:
> I noticed the mistake but what confuses me is the people who "remember".  Heck I still have a 78 rpm record player hooked up to my sound system.

Sound system...? Ha. That orthophonic victrola hooked up to an ear
trumpet hardly qualifies as a 'sound system'...

> PatH..old enough to have forgotten what he remembers.  definitely older than a certain Hamster

How old are you - I've forgotten?

David "The Hamster" Malone

[pltrgyst]

I'm actually old enough to have owned 16-2/3 rpm vinyl. 8;)

Anyone else remember them? Play'em at 78 and you could *really* make
those hamsters squeal.

-- Larry

[Jack]

On 8/30/2012 10:14 PM, Ron Shepard wrote:

>> snip

I'm old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

>> --> Mark0 <-- only had 78RPM record players :O)
>
> Oops, yes, that was a typo. It looks like we are the only two here
> who are old enough to remember.

Perhaps you are the only one here old enough NOT to remember:-)

--
Jack
Don't worry about old age--it doesn't last that long
http://jbstein.com

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Aug 31, 10:23 am, pltrgyst <pltrg...@xhost.org> wrote:

> Anyone else remember them? Play'em at 78 and you could *really* make
> those hamsters squeal.

Hmnnn...

I've noticed a regrettable tendency recently to attack, abuse, mock,
and otherwise denigrate hamsters in this forum... please be informed
that hamsters are mild, playful, incredibly handsome, and make
excellent pets when fed correctly and supplied with decent imported
beer.

David "The indignant Hamster" Malone

[Mark0]

Or at least still old but willing to admit it :O) I threw the Hamster in
to enliven the joint a little. Oh, now that I said joint that reminds me
I better rest a bit...

Our departed Canadian friend did other things with his joints... RIP
Donald


--> Mark0 <--

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Aug 31, 2:08 pm, "Mark0" <markmccau...@charter.net> wrote:

> Our departed Canadian friend did other things with his joints...  RIP
> Donald

Yes, I miss Donald. The last of the true hippies...

Incidentally, talking of joints - my neighbour's kids smoke up
frequently and often leave half-smoked blunts lying around. A few days
ago, one of their tiny dogs was taken ill, couldn't stand up, peed
himself, and seemed to almost stop breathing. When they rushed him to
the vet, the vet calmly told them he'd eaten a leftover roach and
would recover on his own in a few hours. He said he got these cases
frequently.

Wonder what cannabis would do to a hamster?

David "The Hamster" Malone

[pltrgyst]

On 8/31/12 11:24 AM, David "The Hamster" Malone wrote:

> I've noticed a regrettable tendency recently to attack, abuse, mock,
> and otherwise denigrate hamsters in this forum... please be informed
> that hamsters are mild, playful, incredibly handsome, and make
> excellent pets when fed correctly and supplied with decent imported
> beer.

After a few years on the beer, they're also incredibly tasty. (It takes
about eight hours of long, slow braising to get the residual crustiness
out.)

-- Larry (Four and twenty hamsters, baked in a pie...)

[PatH]

I turned 66 in July. Hopefully I can retire this fall some time.

PatH

[Mark0]

On Aug 31 2012 2:38 PM, David "The Hamster" Malone wrote:
snipping relevant parts...

>
> Wonder what cannabis would do to a hamster?
>
> David "The Hamster" Malone

HAHA. As if you didn't know!!

--> Mark0 <-- what were we talking about again?

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Sep 3, 9:34 am, PatH <ph...@certcoinc.com> wrote:

> I turned 66 in July.  Hopefully I can retire this fall some time.

I had to undergo a whole battery of cardiac stress tests, etc.
yesterday at the CORCare clinic.

They concluded I'm still alive.

I may even get to be 66 if I'm lucky... :-)

David "The CHF-posterboy Hamster" Malone

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Sep 5, 8:58 am, "Mark0" <markmccau...@charter.net> wrote:

> > Wonder what cannabis would do to a hamster?

> HAHA.  As if you didn't know!!

I don't smoke anything, even cigars or cigarettes - never have, never
will...

Someone once asked me if I smoked after sex. I said, "I don't know -
I've never looked...".

David "The smoke-free Hamster" Malone

[PatH]

You should be so lucky. I'll tell you that at 66 your stroke is shot and you are lucky to run 2 balls in a row. Even if you do you probably can't see well enough to see them drop in the pocket.

PatH...feeling old this morning

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On Sep 6, 7:40 am, PatH <ph...@certcoinc.com> wrote:

> You should be so lucky.  I'll tell you that at 66 your stroke is shot and you are lucky to run 2 balls in a row.  Even if you do you probably can't see well  enough to see them drop in the pocket.
>
> PatH...feeling old this morning

66 isn't old... I regularly get beaten at golf by an 85 year old - he
shot an 83 last weekend. My best so far (I'm a beginner) is 92. I'm
working on beating 90...

Incidentally he hustles all the old guys playing snooker at the Legion
and usually beats me at pool as well.

David "The Hamster" Malone