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Bob Smith
Jan 27, 2012, 12:19:17 AM1/27/12
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How about this one!
There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
that qualify.
Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
playing".
WTF?
What kind of socialistic crap is that?
This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
license.
Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
anyone, except themselves.
Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
your own pockets.
There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
that qualify.
Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
playing".
WTF?
What kind of socialistic crap is that?
This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
license.
Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
anyone, except themselves.
Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
your own pockets.
Hank
Jan 27, 2012, 8:16:36 AM1/27/12
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other facilities that are not used by the normal traveler. This is
done frequently.
I understand your frustration, but that's the way it is.
Personally, I feel if the promoter is bringing in all that business,
they should get their rooms free without an extra charge to the
others. However, the use of other facilities may bring on extra
expense for the hotel owner.
Hank
ernie
Jan 27, 2012, 11:08:58 AM1/27/12
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IMHO semantically and politically viewed, I believe "fascistic" crap
would be more appropriate. Were it "socialistic" the paid-for items
would be freely given to the players, compensated for by extorting
money from the local taxpayers. Doesn't matter -- still sucks and
seems cannibalistic.
Ernie
would be more appropriate. Were it "socialistic" the paid-for items
would be freely given to the players, compensated for by extorting
money from the local taxpayers. Doesn't matter -- still sucks and
seems cannibalistic.
Ernie
Bob Smith
Jan 27, 2012, 11:55:12 AM1/27/12
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home and go to tournament with no extra costs, but if a person needs
to travel to get there and must stay at a hotel, not only should that
person have to pay for the room, he/she must also have to pay a TAP
surcharge or be kicked out of tournament/league?
If this is a business, banquet hall costs are absorbed by the League/
tournament operators out of their portion of the fees collected, same
as any other event.
To have the league operators tell me where I must stay, and tell I
need to pay more than standard rate, is wrong on many levels !
bvinco
Jan 27, 2012, 1:24:12 PM1/27/12
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I can understand staying in the hotel where the event takes place because
TAP secured a LESS EXPENSIVE rate for a block of rooms. This sounds way
out of line. Even if TAP PAID for the hotel rooms, you shouldn't have any
obligation to stay there just because you're shooting in their tournament,
regardless of their expenses. Geez.
Becky
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TAP secured a LESS EXPENSIVE rate for a block of rooms. This sounds way
out of line. Even if TAP PAID for the hotel rooms, you shouldn't have any
obligation to stay there just because you're shooting in their tournament,
regardless of their expenses. Geez.
Becky
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Hank
Jan 27, 2012, 3:07:17 PM1/27/12
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anybody to stay at any special Hotel/Inn/Motel. However, when you
group a bunch of shriners/pool players, there are usually extra damage
done somewhere. Could that be why the extra charge?
> If this is a business, banquet hall costs are absorbed by the League/
> tournament operators out of their portion of the fees collected, same
> as any other event.
or even different groups ( such as high school reunions, fraternal
orgs and such) run their organization in the same manner. Some charge
less fees up front, and then hit the ones who want to show up with
extra charges. It is right? I guess that depends on the owner/
operator.
> To have the league operators tell me where I must stay, and tell I
> need to pay more than standard rate, is wrong on many levels !
them off too badly. :-)
Hank <~~~~never a league operator
Bob Smith
Jan 27, 2012, 4:04:24 PM1/27/12
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On Jan 27, 2:57 pm, sittingduck <d...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
> people like you? Even if there's good reason for the extra $$, it should
> have been collected in a way that doesn't cause people to freak out.
> flexibility, and the regional events are always good.
>
> --
> To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like
> administering medicine to the dead. -Thomas Paine
I play BCA local leagues also, and love them.
Also, maybe I don't understand socialism in it's purist form, but I
understand that I don;t like being forced to do what I don't want to
do for someones else's financial gain, and my financial loss.
> Bob Smith wrote:
> > How about this one!
>
> > There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
> > Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
> > that qualify.
> > Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
> > Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
> > night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
> > staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
> > playing".
>
> The LO is not too bright. How does someone not anticipate the reaction of
> > How about this one!
>
> > There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
> > Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
> > that qualify.
> > Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
> > Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
> > night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
> > staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
> > playing".
>
> people like you? Even if there's good reason for the extra $$, it should
> have been collected in a way that doesn't cause people to freak out.
>
> > What kind of socialistic crap is that?
>
> Why are so many people confused about what socialism is?
> > What kind of socialistic crap is that?
>
>
> > This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
> > In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
> > is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
> > license.
>
> > Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
> > anyone, except themselves.
> > Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
> > your own pockets.
>
> We play BCA here, and I've been very happy with it! They give us lots of
> > This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
> > In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
> > is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
> > license.
>
> > Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
> > anyone, except themselves.
> > Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
> > your own pockets.
>
> flexibility, and the regional events are always good.
>
> --
> To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like
> administering medicine to the dead. -Thomas Paine
I play BCA local leagues also, and love them.
Also, maybe I don't understand socialism in it's purist form, but I
understand that I don;t like being forced to do what I don't want to
do for someones else's financial gain, and my financial loss.
Bob Smith
Jan 27, 2012, 4:09:47 PM1/27/12
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contention is, that it should be part of their normal business
expense, and if there is not a fair way to apply it, then the extra
hotel fees shouldn't be there. For example, in this case, an out of
towner would have to pay more money than a local guy, or he/she would
pay more money at that host hotel than another he may want. Maybe my
budget is light and I want to stay at a Motel 6, or on the other hand,
maybe I have money and I want to stay at a Hilton. I should be allowed
to stay where I want, without being thrown out of event. And if I do
choose to stay at the host hotel, I should be able to get the cheapest
rate available to me, whether it is the TAP rate, or AA rate, AARP
rate, Military rate, etc.
No TAP person should threaten me, or disallow me from staying where I
want. Period.
Who the F do they think they are???
Hank
Jan 27, 2012, 5:49:04 PM1/27/12
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I had a similar experience shooting in a Moose Club national event.
When I first heard about the dates and times ( a couple months
earlier), I called the motel they suggested was the closest. I asked
the lady on the phone what their rates were adn she told me. I made a
reservations for all threee days. My team and I all checked in with no
problems. The next day we had a message to contact the front desk.
When we did, they told us since we were with the Moose Club, we would
have to pay an additional $5 per night to cover the promoters rooms.
Needless to say that went over like a lead balloon with us. We argued
the fact that we were given rates, and the ladies name who took our
reservation. They didn't put up much resistance and we left for the
tournament.
Apparently the hotel manager called the tournament director and
complained to him, which in turn complained to us. Of course, we told
him what he could do about it. :-)
Later during the singles event, it was posted that they were going to
pay 8 places. I ended up in 7/8 place since they were the same pay out
($70). Then the TD advised me they were only paying 7th place, they
were running late so there wouldn't be a match between the other guy
and me, and they flipped a coin to see who won and I lost the flip ( I
wasn't present for the flip).
I went off like a roman candle and told everyone what had happened ( I
knew many of the shooters) and I can get VERY loud. Anyway, the TD
gave me $70 to shut me up. I took the money and told him to watch what
I do with the money. I walked over to the waitresses tip jar and
dumped it in there. Sometimes it is not about the money.
Instances like this happen all the time in pool leagues for some
reason. It is shit like this that turned me off on shooting pool in
leagues.
Sorry, that was as short as I could make it. :-)
Hank
DMHenrie
Jan 27, 2012, 7:02:47 PM1/27/12
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Good deal. I like the waitress tip thing !!
That's a class move ....
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Jack
Jan 29, 2012, 2:46:22 PM1/29/12
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On 1/27/2012 11:08 AM, ernie wrote:
> IMHO semantically and politically viewed, I believe "fascistic" crap
> would be more appropriate.
You're both wrong, it is called free market capitalism. Socialism and
> IMHO semantically and politically viewed, I believe "fascistic" crap
> would be more appropriate.
fascism are about exactly the same thing, with fascism being a word
invented to somehow separate Hitler, the head of the German National
Socialist Party (Nazi's) from socialism.
> Were it "socialistic" the paid-for items
> would be freely given to the players, compensated for by extorting
> money from the local taxpayers.
the means of production (the economy), it doesn't mean stuff is not
purchased.
Doesn't matter -- still sucks and seems cannibalistic.
to charge $200 to enter the tournament, or charge $2 and make you stay
at a certain hotel they can. If it were socialistic, the government
would make the rules, and all leagues would have to abide by them, and
if you didn't like the rules, instead of switching leagues, you would
have to quit playing leagues or overthrow the government.
--
Jack
Got Change: Supply and Demand ======> Command and Control!
http://jbstein.com
Jack
Jan 29, 2012, 3:01:05 PM1/29/12
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On 1/27/2012 4:04 PM, Bob Smith wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:57 pm, sittingduck<d...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>>> What kind of socialistic crap is that?
>> Why are so many people confused about what socialism is?
My guess is our educational system sucks.
> On Jan 27, 2:57 pm, sittingduck<d...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>>> What kind of socialistic crap is that?
>> Why are so many people confused about what socialism is?
> I play BCA local leagues also, and love them.
> Also, maybe I don't understand socialism in it's purist form, but I
> understand that I don;t like being forced to do what I don't want to
> do for someones else's financial gain, and my financial loss.
private group. How they run it, and how they get compensated is mostly
up to them. You are not forced to enter the tournament, or participate
in the privately owned league. You can join other private leagues with
different rules, or start your own league. This is exactly how things
improve in a free market. If enough people feel as you do, TAP will be
history and some other league that operated as you like will replace it.
Also, depending on how TAP is organized, you might be able to
infiltrate the organization and have some direct influence on how it
operates.
--
Jack
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy,its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..."
-Winston Churchill
http://jbstein.com
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DDawgster
Jan 29, 2012, 5:39:18 PM1/29/12
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On Jan 26 2012 11:19 PM, Bob Smith wrote:
> How about this one!
>
> There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
> Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
> that qualify.
> Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
> Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
> night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
> staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
> playing".
>
> WTF?
>
> What kind of socialistic crap is that?
this would be quite the opposite of socialism..this is capitalism at its
> How about this one!
>
> There is a TAP league in Harrisburg PA area, that holds what TAP calls
> Titleholder events. Basically tournaments for TAP players and teams
> that qualify.
> Well, players MUST stay at the host hotel that TAP is playing at.
> Players must also "pay the special TAP rate", which is much higher per
> night than a standard AAA rate. And, if a TAP player is found out
> staying at another hotel, that TAP player can be "banned from
> playing".
>
> WTF?
>
> What kind of socialistic crap is that?
finest and this is just how far we as a society have been bent backwards
screw em
>
> This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
> In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
> is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
> license.
>
> Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
> anyone, except themselves.
> Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
> your own pockets.
> Apparently I see no reason for Perry to have lied well over a year ago..
> This stuff needs to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are?
> In this case, the woman that runs that TAP area, and makes these rules
> is Kelly. And I hope she reads this, and is embarrassed, and loses her
> license.
>
> Neither TAP are APA are for players. They can give a shit about
> anyone, except themselves.
> Stay local players! Create your own leagues, and keep your money in
> your own pockets.
Another gem from Alim Nassor
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