Who is the best Trick Shot Entertainer.
Ricky W. King
of the entertainment value of exhibition matches and trick shots and stuff.
For me...I'd have to put Mike Massey at the top of the tree for sheer
entertainment at the table, followed by Tom Rossman. On the ladies
side.....As far as I am concerned...nobody comes close to Ewa. Both Mike and
Tom I have been fortunate to see Live and both of them are so much fun just
to watch. And I had the chance to spend some time playing with Ewa a few
years ago at Mother's in NC. So, Who is the best pool entertainer out
there?
Larry - I'm sure you're in there somewhere my friend :)
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Ricky W. King AIFD
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There are 3 classes or artistic people.
The video shooter, has all day to make a shot, tops there, me, Kimura.
The competition player, the ones who play a 40 shot program against a
field of players. There the best in the world is hands down Mike
Massey, no question.
The Entertainer, can make simple tap in shots, it's how he works and
holds the crowd, my two top picks of all time, Minnesota Fats and Paul
Gerni.
Fast Larry Guninger
Richard Aubin
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Your initial post seemed limited to the world of pool. There are many
skilled trick shot artists from the snooker and carom worlds.
For overall, I don't think there is any comparison to the carom
billiards world, where there exists a 70-something shot program in the
Artistic Billiards.
Whereas Artistic Pool combines both artistic and skill elements, the
Artistic Billiards competition is purely about stroke and technique.
For overall entertainment value, Roberto Rojas and Semih Sayginer are
at the top of my list.
Rojas is a many times Latin American and at least one time World
Champion in Artistic Billiards. IMHO, pound for pound, Rojas has
undoubtedly the most powerful stroke in the world.
Sayginer being a really charming and funny guy, is not only
entertaining in person, but also has the gorilla stroke to back it up.
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What you said is totally correct, I am writing about my sport, pool,
you write about snooker or billiards or jewie can help you out, OK>
Most of my best shots I learned from Stylearts so I am aware of what
these other boys are doing. Sammies exhibitions of power shots puts
the majority of of the American pool players literally to shame. I do
everything he can do on a pool table which is an even bigger
challenge, nothing he can do, I cant and dont do. Some of his shots
just dont connect on a pool table. Rojas, I can do his stuff if I
want to use a gaff cue and tip and gaff ball, get on a $10,000 heated
slate Verhoven with a 300 cloth,
gaff and grease up the cue ball then coat my glove with silicone. I
can do that she yet. Lets see him try that crap on my 10 year old
pool table with a dry normal ball, no way, no how. There he become
human and no longer a God from another planet.
Those shots are so extreme, so crazy, for me they are not worth
blowing up a masse cue and 3 shafts every month practicing them and
wiping out a cloth monthly as well and God knows how many tips which
he steals and gets free any way. I know this happens to him. Every
shot the guy has ever made I have duplicated them. He pays a real
price to have those shots, they do not come cheap. Every one needs
their notch and he has his and I applaud and am in awe of his shots
and his skill. I bet Deno just dropped his cup of coffee when he read
this one.
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billiards world, where there exists a 70-something shot program in the
Artistic Billiards.
There used to be, I took the old 72 shot billiards program and every
shot there I could convert to a pool table I did and many of these I
shoot in my shows today.
When I began the worlds first real true pool artistic trick shot
championship which for the first time was open to any one my shot
program was 72 shots many of them from the European program. It was
tough as hell. It was so tough it scared the hell out of the guys at
that time who were making a living performing set up tap in 2in2 and
3in3 and no masses. It was over their heads and their abilities at
that time. Now a decade later, most of them out there today could
handle that old program. Nobody was shooting Masses, not Mike Masse,
Rossman, nobody. About all you saw was a around a rack, the hustler
2in2 in the corner of the down the rail which is now a masse but
instead a pique. The only guys shooting any thing tough was
Middleditch, Mike Massey, me and Rick Wright. Everyone else was
shooting the Paul Gerni show which was the old 49 Jimmy Caras show. I
viewed them all as 40 years out of date and sought to change that
which I did do. I just got no credit for that achievement.
I was just too far ahead of my time with it. When I turned over the
program to the BCA in 2000 they used most of my rules and their shot
program became 40 shots which Mike Massey said to me was nothing but a
good amateurs program and a copy of one of the main guys show. My
TASA shots were twice as tough. They were going to
to make it tougher every year and up grade the difficulty of the shots
but sad to say they have ran the same program now for 5 years in a row
which is one of the reasons I do not partake in it. Yes you are
right, in comparison of difficulity between the current pool and
billiards program, the billiards is 2 or 3 times more difficult.
fastla...@yahoo.com
> I'm putting a vote for Andy Segal... The guy's great in my opinion.
>
Yes no question he is an up and coming star and doing very well in the
competitions. Do not be confused, just because you see a player on
trick shot magic score well and smile to the camera between shots does
not mean he is an entertainer, you are seeing a floor competitor, as I
said, there are 3 types of artistic players.
Once you see a guy perform a entire show by him self, do 30 shots,
make most of them,hold and thrill the crowd, pull a crowd and not bore
everyone to sleep, then you know if the guy is a true entertainer.
Early on Mike Massey and Tom Rossman were weak in this area but today
as they gained experience and fame they are now at the very top of
everyones list and crowd favorites. Both now are as about as good as
it gets.
Kimura is a great video guy, made some amazing shots, there I rate him
a 9.8.
As an entertainer he does not do well, he does not speak english, so
that kills him right there. Not everyone can be a good entertainer
and just being able to smile at a camera on TV is not what that is
about, any one can do that. My dog does that. Nobody ever played a
crowd like Minnesota Fats did, nobody ever will. Nobody today is even
in fatty's league there.
There are usa players who are fine floor competitors but do not put on
a very strong show, they may be a little in experienced or shy. It
takes most many years to be a good entertainer and have many shows
under their belt.
Richard Aubin
I agree that pure entertainers are way different than a competitor.
To hold a crowd spell-bound as you pull off an amazing act in pool is the
same as a great street magician. Those are prime examples of entertainers.
They get you involved. They require your verbal assistance and undivided
attention, otherwise, they do not perform.
Scoring is great. Entertaining and scoring must surely give a boost of
confidence as well.
My 2 bits for the day.
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Mark0
The vast majority of us consider FL to be the scum of the earth and have him
filtered. Most of us also take umbrage with people who quote him. I would
even go as far as saying if you expect your pool enterprise to be supported
here you prolly oughta quit quoting ole FL. Feel free to reply to him by
email if you feel the need though.
You're on 2 (with me).
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> Hello Larry, pleasure to discuss with you.
>
> I agree that pure entertainers are way different than a competitor.
>
> To hold a crowd spell-bound as you pull off an amazing act in pool is the
> same as a great street magician. Those are prime examples of
entertainers.
>
> They get you involved. They require your verbal assistance and undivided
> attention, otherwise, they do not perform.
>
> Scoring is great. Entertaining and scoring must surely give a boost of
> confidence as well.
>
> My 2 bits for the day.
>
> --
> Richard Aubin
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> Get a free copy of the best selling pool book: Point The Way by The Monk
> http://www.poolplayingtips.com/ptw/
>
>
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Richard Aubin
Not my intention to p.o. anyone. Was just making conversation.
Richard Aubin
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Jack Stein
> Hey Mark,
> Not my intention to p.o. anyone. Was just making conversation.
> Richard Aubin
Richard, don't worry about getting some lame ass P.O'd at you. Some
fools censor themselves (or so they say,) so they only get to read each
others lame ass messages. FL posts a some great messages, some lame
messages. If you feel like replying, go right ahead. If you are as
dumb as Marko, Patrick Johnson and that whole Nazi Socialist crew, go
ahead and censor yourself as they try to filter anyone that disagrees
with them.
> "Mark0" wrote in message
>>Richard,
>>The vast majority of us consider FL to be the scum of the earth and have
>>him filtered. Most of us also take umbrage with people who quote him.
>>You're on 2 (with me).
>>Mark0 <--cutting slack for the newbie
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Jack
http://jbstein.com
Richard Aubin
Richard Aubin
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> Jack, thanks for the heads up.
Jack's knowledgeable in this area. He's one of the most filtered
posters here.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Ricky W. King
old-timers who used to play snooker at a now defunct poolroom in my hometown
is about the fullest extent of my experiences with carom and snooker
players. I am sure that quite a few are fun and entertaining
players......Other than seeing Steven Hendry on a tv match once and seeing
Alison and Karen on tv of course are the only snooker pros I'm familiar
with. As far as the carom games.....I've never seen a carom match. I have
read about Sang Lee's prowess in the carom games, but that the extent of it.
The majority of my postings are limited to the world of pool. At least till
I learn more.
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Ricky W. King AIFD, SCCPF, NCCPF, FTD Master Designer
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Mr. Aubin, I seriously think both of these talents are equal, I think
the great entertainer should be equal in status to the great floor
competitor, I think both skills are about the same. Paul Gerni in my
book is still today the best entertainer, does the best and smoothest
show. He may not shoot the hardest shots but that is not what makes
a great show. Paul has not done well on the floor competition and
that should not deminish on thing from what he is and what he has
done. We have had great champions who did terrible exhibitions,
Lassiter was an example, he made the shots but would put you to sleep.
I never saw any one fall asleep at a Minnesota fats show. Some of
these guys are just not showmen, but players. Please I am not trying
to demean any of these great people but just to show and educate the
fans, there is more than one face to these players.
Roger Orsulak
It's a demo that was in NYC. Robert Byrne and Deno Andrews were the
commentators. You don't have to understand carom games to appreciate the
monstrous things Mr. Sayginer can do with the cue ball. But even at that,
Bob and Deno, as well as Sonny Cho (I think) do very well in explaining what
is being done.
You will not be disappointed in having bought this billiard tape. You're
pool shootin' friends will be absolutely astounded.
Roger - pool player but known to shoot 3-C on occaision.
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> I have
> read about Sang Lee's prowess in the carom games, but that the extent of it.
> The majority of my postings are limited to the world of pool. At least till
> I learn more.
May I suggest:
http://www.caromtv.com/
Click on FreeView.
Select items #1 and #5, the exhibitions from Miguel Torres and Semih
Sayginer, respectively.
Could be wrong, but I don't think you'll see pool trick shots in the
same light again.
Andy Segal
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> Richard Aubin
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Thanks for the kind words. I do shows and I can usually hold a crowd
for about 45min - 1hr. I have done shows with a bunch of the top
entertainers (trick shot artists and 9-ball players), and I must say
that Tom Rossman probably gives the most energetic and entertaining
show I have seen. Everytime I watch him I learn something new.
Andy
Jack Stein
> Jack's knowledgeable in this area. He's one of the most filtered
> posters here.
Based on the lameness of messages, I would have thought PJ was the most
censored poster. I wonder where he gets his count from?
I know PJ gets in on about every single thread known to RSB, so if just
one guy plonked him, he would probably have more messages plonked than
any poster here.
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Jack
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Steve.
I have the tape and concur. It is simply amazing.
Tracy Beal
wrote:
>Thanks for the kind words. I do shows and I can usually hold a crowd
>for about 45min - 1hr.
I saw you do a trick show, during a lull in the action, at the Camel
PBT Columbus 10 Ball Open, in the late 90's. It was very entertaining.
Tracy
Remove "NOSPAM" to reply.
Roger Orsulak
thanks for stopping in. You guys are ALL very entertaining and certainly
have my respect.
Roger
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Gary Robinson
Good to see you posting here.
I have enjoyed your performances at the APA Nationals the past two
years. Good job winning the Trick Shot Tournament there this year!
I was on the rail for the final and enjoyed it immensely. We were all
pulling hard for you the set the new points record... so close!
I have to agree with you.
With the original thread asking "Who's the best Trick Shot
Entertainer", Tom Rossman wins it in a landslide for sheer
entertainment. He's the one all the other Trick Shot artists come and
watch!
-GaryR (Bubba) <---Andy gets my vote for the Trick Shot Artist with
the most class!
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Mark0
Thanks for replying to Jack Koff's message so I could see it. If I had the
time I'd post a couple of groups.google links so you could see the kind of
person Jack likes reading. To give you a hint, you could start with the
keywords, 'fast larry' and 'fuck.' BTW you can get a great deal of insight
into Jack's persona by KW-ing 'secondhand smoke' in groups.google.
You'll find that if you contribute to this group (even if it's primarily to
be a wise-ass like Smorg) that we'll welcome you into our lame-ass cliques
:O)
Mark0 <--clique-less
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Mark0
then I would only be 'talking' with Dan White and Jim Wyant (and maybe a few
more).
Mark0 <--looks like I'm only talking to myself now.... :O)
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Smorgass Bored
You'll find that if you contribute to this group (even if it's primarily
to be a wise-ass like Smorg) that we'll welcome you into our lame-ass
cliques
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(*<~ Well, at least you think I'm SMART.
a VERY wise....ass (imo)
NEXT,
Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
Mark0
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> Mark0 <--looks like I'm only talking to myself now.... :O)
Nope, I don't censor people, I read everyone, even the incredibly lame.
>>Thanks for replying to Jack Koff's message so I could see it. If I had
>> the time I'd post a couple of groups.google links so you could see the kind of
>>person Jack likes reading.
Also please note that Jack is reading YOUR lame ass messages, so if
you want to judge me by the messages I read, well you try and figure it
out...
>>into Jack's persona by KW-ing 'secondhand smoke' in groups.google.
When you get the time, note that you stated I said smoking doesn't hurt
you, I'm waiting to see you (or anyone) can produce a post wherein I
made that claim.
>>You'll find that if you contribute to this group (even if it's primarily
> to be a wise-ass like Smorg) that we'll welcome you into our lame-ass cliques
>>:O)
>>
>>Mark0 <--clique-less
More like clue-less. You should be plonked on the basis you have no
clue how to trim a message for usenet alone, let alone the lack of
content or accuracy or humor of your posts.
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Jack
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fastla...@yahoo.com
Why has not Wonder Dog been tought of, he can bring the house down.
FL
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Yo smorgie, I am a wise-ass like youse is, I contribute to dis group
wit instruction, does dis now mean, youse will let me into yo lame-ass
clique?
Do I get a membership card. What are we now called, the lame ass
bozos or what?
~>*(((>< Fast is a Big fish who eats Little fish and bozos for lunch
><)))*<~
Maybe you can fund and put on a lameassbozo tourney at planet 9 ball
for all dee members of da clique. Can da dog join as well?
Fast Larry
Fraud Larry Grindingleberry
fastla...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:<6ad0f85b.0410...@posting.google.com>...
> There are 3 classes or artistic people.
>
> The video shooter, has all day to make a shot, tops there, me (DOES FAST LARRY HAVE VISIONS OF GRANDEUR OR WHAT???) , Kimura.
>
> The competition player, the ones who play a 40 shot program against a
> field of players. There the best in the world is hands down Mike
> Massey, no question.
>
> The Entertainer, can make simple tap in shots, it's how he works and
> holds the crowd, my two top picks of all time, Minnesota Fats and Paul
> Gerni.
>
> Fast Larry Guninger
fastla...@yahoo.com
> AHHH
> fastla...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:<6ad0f85b.0410...@posting.google.com>...
> > There are 3 classes or artistic people.
> >
> > The video shooter, has all day to make a shot, tops there, me (DOES FAST LARRY HAVE VISIONS OF GRANDEUR OR WHAT???) , Kimura.
No yappie faggie, just tellin it like it is pilgram. I have 6 video
tapes for sale, each one has 2 hours of non stop shots, after you have
watched me drop over 1000 shots, you would then conclude as well,
nothing Kimura has ever done I have not duplicated and in fact ran far
beyond him. You cant see or understand that because you have never
seen or studied my work.
Fast Larry