Why Pete Rose is Better than the Rose-Worshippers on this Newsgroup
Will in New Haven
most hits. I`m also the player with the most at bats and the most
outs. I never said I was a greater player than Cobb." - Pete Rose
--
Will in New Haven
weheardthenews
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> �"When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the
It's good to be humble. That's something you should strive for,
Willy.
Btw, Willy, did you really say that Egyptian women are trying to get
King Tut's name changed to Queen Tit?
Will in New Haven
> On Dec 8, 12:48 pm, Will in New Haven
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > "When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the
> > most hits. I`m also the player with the most at bats and the most
> > outs. I never said I was a greater player than Cobb." - Pete Rose
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> It's good to be humble. That's something you should strive for,
> Willy.
I do. I've never claimed anything for myself here, despite my awesome
accomplishments.
>
> Btw, Willy, did you really say that Egyptian women are trying to get
> King Tut's name changed to Queen Tit?
WTF, that's not even insutling.
Josh Rosenbluth
wrote:
Pete is a dim bulb who doesn't know the definition of "greater".
Josh Rosenbluth
Lew Pitcher
> "When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the
> most hits. I`m also the player with the most at bats and the most
> outs. I never said I was a greater player than Cobb." - Pete Rose
And he never said he wasn't, although he clearly implied that he
was.
If Cobb was as good as Rose, he would have gotten more atbats, which
would have resulted in more outs as well as more hits.
But alas, not only was Cobb not nearly as talented, his attitude was
New Havenish, IOW, minor league. Bush.
cordially, as always,
rm
Lew Pitcher
> On Dec 8, 12:48?pm, Will in New Haven
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>> ?"When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the
>> most hits. I`m also the player with the most at bats and the most
>> outs. I never said I was a greater player than Cobb." - Pete Rose
>>
>> --
>> Will in New Haven
>
> It's good to be humble. That's something you should strive for,
> Willy.
>
> Btw, Willy, did you really say that Egyptian women are trying to get
> King Tut's name changed to Queen Tit?
Either way, Tutankaman is a real mouthful for folks from New Haven.
cordially, as always,
rm
Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
Yes, when HE was a player-manager, he gave up at-bats to someone who
was hitting better than he was. If he hadn't benched himself in favor
of Fotheringill that record might have been out of Pete's reach. Cobb
was certainly a better ball-player than Pete Rose. No one who followed
baseball at all would agree with you on that. He managed to be a worse
human being, which took some doing. But his mom shot his father, which
is some excuse.
Lew Pitcher
>> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>>
>> > "When I get the record, all it will make me is the player with the
>> > most hits. I`m also the player with the most at bats and the most
>> > outs. I never said I was a greater player than Cobb." - Pete Rose
>>
>> And he never said he wasn't, although he clearly implied that he
>> was.
>>
>> If Cobb was as good as Rose, he would have gotten more atbats, which
>> would have resulted in more outs as well as more hits.
>>
>> But alas, not only was Cobb not nearly as talented, his attitude was
>
> Yes, when HE was a player-manager, he gave up at-bats to someone who
> was hitting better than he was.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons Cobb was considered one of the
worst managers in the history of baseball.
> If he hadn't benched himself in favor of Fotheringill that record
> might have been out of Pete's reach.
If he coulda, woulda, shoulda. But the fact remains that Cobb
played only against white men in a league from which a team of
all-stars would finish last in a modern AA loop.
Sure, Cobb had the record. But the game was so different then it
would be like saying that Red Grange would dominate the modern NFL
if he was in his prime today.
We have had enough from you.
Bugger off.
cordially, as always,
rm
Will in New Haven
Fortunately, you have no power and little influence here or anywhere
else. I expect I will still be posting here when your keepers take
your computer priveleges away again for looking at naked little boys.
With all due respect
weheardthenews
>
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We should keep in mind also that Cobb never had to face a pitcher who
threw a slider or splitter. He also never had to face bullpens that
today consist of specialty relief roles.
If Larry McWilliams had the nuts to throw a fastball instead of a
splitter, Rose might have gone on to break DiMaggio's hitting streak.
44 is pretty, pretty close!
Will in New Haven
That's a good argument. There were a few guys with pitches that were
probably early sliders but generally, no, Cobb didn't have to face
those two pitches. I think he probably faced more spitballs than a
modern player, considering that they were _legal_ early in his career
and even after the rule was passed if the Pitcher had been using it
before. The lack of specialized left-handed relievers probably helped
him even more, although he did not have a _big_ problem with lefties.
>
> If Larry McWilliams had the nuts to throw a fastball instead of a
> splitter, Rose might have gone on to break DiMaggio's hitting streak.
> 44 is pretty, pretty close!- Hide quoted text -
The object of pitching is to get people out. McWilliams had neither a
rules obligation nor a moral obligation to give Pete anything to hit.
I'm not saying that it was a classy thing to do but neither was Rose's
bitching about it. 44 is a _long_ way from 56 in the context of that
record.
Lew Pitcher
> else. I expect I will still be posting here when your keepers take
> your computer priveleges away again for looking at naked little boys.
You do realize that your state has very agressive libel laws?
cordially, as always,
rm
Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>
> > Fortunately, you have no power and little influence here or anywhere
> > else. I expect I will still be posting here when your keepers take
> > your computer priveleges away again for looking at naked little boys.
>
> You do realize that your state has very agressive libel laws?
Sue and be damned, imbecile. And die in a grease fire while you are at
it.
Lew Pitcher
You do realize that this "imbecile" holds a JD from the top law school
in Canada?
cordially, as always,
rm
Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>
> > On Dec 9, 7:28?pm, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
> >> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>
> >> > Fortunately, you have no power and little influence here or anywhere
> >> > else. I expect I will still be posting here when your keepers take
> >> > your computer priveleges away again for looking at naked little boys.
>
> >> You do realize that your state has very agressive libel laws?
>
> > Sue and be damned, imbecile. And die in a grease fire while you are at
> > it.
>
> You do realize that this "imbecile" holds a JD from the top law school
> in Canada?
I don't fucking care. You're an imbecile and you are a dirtbag.
--
Will in New Haven
Pete Rose, who is the greatest hitter of all time by virtue of having
the most Hits, but nothing else, will never get into the Hall of Fame
whiile he is alive.
weheardthenews
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Our point is that McWilliams could've shaken off the splitter and gone
with a fastball, but he didn't. Now let's put DiMaggio in this spot.
Facing sliders and splitters and specialized bullpens, he probably
would not have done better than 44. See how it works both ways? Now
let's interview DiMaggio:
"Motherf------ McWilliams! Coward! Shit----! No guts, no guts."
Will in New Haven
Why should he have? Why should he give a flying fuck about the record
or about Pete Rose? If the best pitch to get the batter out is a
splitter, or a four-seamer way inside, you throw it. They were playing
keepsies. The splitter was probably a good choice, _especially_ since
Rose was so fixated on the record that walking him was unlikely. After
all, a base on balls just gives his team a baserunner, avoids an Out
and makes it more likely that his team will score and win. It doesn't
give him a record.
Now let's put DiMaggio in this spot.
> Facing sliders and splitters and specialized bullpens, he probably
> would not have done better than 44. See how it works both ways? Now
> let's interview DiMaggio:
>
> "Motherf------ McWilliams! Coward! Shit----! No guts, no guts."
I don't know. It never came up. He certainly said the right
sportsmanlike things about the Detroit Third Baseman who stopped his
string. But I would figure Pete wouldn't have complained if he had
been stopped by great defensive plays, which is a quite different
thing. In fact, he would probably have congratulated the fielder.
DiMaggio might have _felt_ that way about a Pitcher who pitched around
him during his steak but Joe was not one to admit to much emotion.
weheardthenews
You're still misunderstanding. We're not saying he should have, we're
saying he could have. There's a big difference.
Why should he give a flying fuck about the record
> or about Pete Rose? If the best pitch to get the batter out is a
> splitter, or a four-seamer way inside, you throw it. They were playing
> keepsies. The splitter was probably a good choice, _especially_ since
> Rose was so fixated on the record that walking him was unlikely. After
> all, a base on balls just gives his team a baserunner, avoids an Out
> and makes it more likely that his team will score and win. It doesn't
> give him a record.
>
> Now let's put DiMaggio in this spot.
>
> > Facing sliders and splitters and specialized bullpens, he probably
> > would not have done better than 44. �See how it works both ways? �Now
> > let's interview DiMaggio:
>
> > "Motherf------ McWilliams! �Coward! �Shit----! �No guts, no guts."
>
> I don't know. It never came up. He certainly said the right
> sportsmanlike things about the Detroit Third Baseman who stopped his
> string. But I would figure Pete wouldn't have complained if he had
> been stopped by great defensive plays, which is a quite different
> thing. In fact, he would probably have congratulated the fielder.
We believe you do know. You're not man enough to admit it, though.
>
> DiMaggio might have _felt_ that way about a Pitcher who pitched around
> him during his steak but Joe was not one to admit to much emotion.
Really. Probably saved all of his aggression for Marilyn, but he
struck out there, too.
weheardthenews
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>
> > On Dec 9, 7:28?pm, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
> >> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
>
> >> > Fortunately, you have no power and little influence here or anywhere
> >> > else. I expect I will still be posting here when your keepers take
> >> > your computer priveleges away again for looking at naked little boys.
>
> >> You do realize that your state has very agressive libel laws?
>
> > Sue and be damned, imbecile. And die in a grease fire while you are at
> > it.
>
> You do realize that this "imbecile" holds a JD from the top law school
> in Canada?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
I think we should both take Willy to court. He's getting on a lot of
people's nerves. Probably has a failed marriage.
jr92
You are mostly correct in your asessment. However, looking at it from
Rose's standpoint at the time. The score was 16-4, in favor of
Atlanta. Rose's getting on base in ANY manny would hardly have put the
Braves in jepordy of losing. In Rose's mind, he felt, because of the
circumstances, he should have been challenged by the Braves' pitcher.
Here is my best stuff, now hit it.
Of course, with a batter down, two strikes in the count, his "best"
stuff is probably not the pitch to throw, as the batter is probably
looking for it in this situation. A pitcher's job is to get the batter
out, not to give in and let a player get a hit off him simply to
extend a hitting streak. The pitcher was simply being professional.
Rose, was, understandibly, upset.
I am sure that at a later date, when he thought it over, his realized
his statements were in the wrong.
Being the professional that he was.
> Now let's put DiMaggio in this spot.
>
> > Facing sliders and splitters and specialized bullpens, he probably
> > would not have done better than 44. See how it works both ways? Now
> > let's interview DiMaggio:
>
> > "Motherf------ McWilliams! Coward! Shit----! No guts, no guts."
>
> I don't know. It never came up. He certainly said the right
> sportsmanlike things about the Detroit Third Baseman who stopped his
> string. But I would figure Pete wouldn't have complained if he had
> been stopped by great defensive plays, which is a quite different
> thing. In fact, he would probably have congratulated the fielder.
>
> DiMaggio might have _felt_ that way about a Pitcher who pitched around
> him during his steak but Joe was not one to admit to much emotion.
>
> --
Lew Pitcher
> You are mostly correct in your asessment. However, looking at it from
> Rose's standpoint at the time. The score was 16-4, in favor of
> Atlanta. Rose's getting on base in ANY manny would hardly have put the
> Braves in jepordy of losing. In Rose's mind, he felt, because of the
> circumstances, he should have been challenged by the Braves' pitcher.
>
>
> Here is my best stuff, now hit it.
Yep.
> Of course, with a batter down, two strikes in the count, his "best"
> stuff is probably not the pitch to throw, as the batter is probably
> looking for it in this situation. A pitcher's job is to get the batter
> out, not to give in and let a player get a hit off him simply to
> extend a hitting streak. The pitcher was simply being professional.
> Rose, was, understandibly, upset.
>
> I am sure that at a later date, when he thought it over, his realized
> his statements were in the wrong.
But his statements were quite correct. There is a proud tradition
in baseball where those who are flirting with immortality, and who
have earned respect, are accorded respect.
If there were two strikes on Rose then Rose should have gotten to
face the pitcher's out pitch. But he didn't and here is a case
where a pitcher was looking for immortality as the one who stopped
Rose. Thankfully, most of us, including myself, don't remember that
pitcher's name and I will never make any attempt to find it out.
It one of you little shits wants to tell me what it is thinking he
will be ruining my day, I assure you that I will forget that
pitcher's name long before I remember to resurrect you from the
community killfile.
cordially, even to the Rose haters,
rm
Will in New Haven
_After Atlanta got the big lead_ it would have been quite reasonable
to do the sporting thing and pitch to Rose in a manner in which you
_could_ get him out but he would have a pitch to hit, to challenge
him. Rose didn't want a lollipop and late in the game it would have
been fine with any manager to throw him a fastball. I think Rose had a
legitimate gripe _at that point in the game_
>
> Of course, with a batter down, two strikes in the count, his "best"
> stuff is probably not the pitch to throw, as the batter is probably
> looking for it in this situation. A pitcher's job is to get the batter
> out, not to give in and let a player get a hit off him simply to
> extend a hitting streak. The pitcher was simply being professional.
> Rose, was, understandibly, upset.
>
> I am sure that at a later date, when he thought it over, his realized
> his statements were in the wrong.
>
> Being the professional that he was.
We have all said things we wished we hadn't said later. If Rose only
complained about the situation after Atlanta had a big lead, he had a
point. It sounded like he was griping about the whole game when I
heard about it later.
--
Will in New Haven
>
>
>
> > Now let's put DiMaggio in this spot.
>
> > > Facing sliders and splitters and specialized bullpens, he probably
> > > would not have done better than 44. See how it works both ways? Now
> > > let's interview DiMaggio:
>
> > > "Motherf------ McWilliams! Coward! Shit----! No guts, no guts."
>
> > I don't know. It never came up. He certainly said the right
> > sportsmanlike things about the Detroit Third Baseman who stopped his
> > string. But I would figure Pete wouldn't have complained if he had
> > been stopped by great defensive plays, which is a quite different
> > thing. In fact, he would probably have congratulated the fielder.
>
> > DiMaggio might have _felt_ that way about a Pitcher who pitched around
> > him during his steak but Joe was not one to admit to much emotion.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven- Hide quoted text -
>
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Will in New Haven
> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
If Rose's gripe was about the pitching after Atlanta had a big lead, I
agree with him. Not that anyone should have thrown him a lollipop but
he wasn't asking for that. In the early part of the game it would be a
different story.
weheardthenews
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Leads in a game have nothing to do with it. To a man, you either have
nuts or you don't. Larry didn't, and neither do you. That's why
you're called Willy.
Will in New Haven
If the lead in a game means nothing, why all this praise for Pete who
was always hustling to win ballgames. Some Pitchers have a good enough
fastball to muscle up and try to blow it by a batter, some don't. Why
don't you go tell Tim Wakefield that the reason he throws knuckleballs
is because he doesn't have cajones. To his face. But I bet you are
meek and mild in person. Shitheads like you generally are. Hide behind
that screen and talk shit all day.
I'm called Will because there were seven other guys named Bill where I
worked once, asshole.
jr92
> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > You are mostly correct in your asessment. However, looking at it from
> > Rose's standpoint at the time. The score was 16-4, in favor of
> > Atlanta. Rose's getting on base in ANY manny would hardly have put the
> > Braves in jepordy of losing. In Rose's mind, he felt, because of the
> > circumstances, he should have been challenged by the Braves' pitcher.
>
> > Here is my best stuff, now hit it.
>
> Yep.
>
> > Of course, with a batter down, two strikes in the count, his "best"
> > stuff is probably not the pitch to throw, as the batter is probably
> > looking for it in this situation. A pitcher's job is to get the batter
> > out, not to give in and let a player get a hit off him simply to
> > extend a hitting streak. The pitcher was simply being professional.
> > Rose, was, understandibly, upset.
>
> > I am sure that at a later date, when he thought it over, his realized
> > his statements were in the wrong.
>
> But his statements were quite correct. There is a proud tradition
> in baseball where those who are flirting with immortality, and who
> have earned respect, are accorded respect.
>
And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league hitter,
who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud tradtion" to do
so???
Hell, at my age, I can hit a fastball, if I know it is coming.
I think the Braves's pitcher showed Pete the utmost of respect by
doing his best to get him out.
After all, that is what a professional pitcher is paid to do.
Get the batter out.
No matter what the circumstances.
He simply did his job.
The way Pete did, for many year.
No matter what the circumstances.
> If there were two strikes on Rose then Rose should have gotten to
> face the pitcher's out pitch. But he didn't and here is a case
> where a pitcher was looking for immortality as the one who stopped
> Rose. Thankfully, most of us, including myself, don't remember that
> pitcher's name and I will never make any attempt to find it out.
>
I'm pretty sure Rose stuck out in this at-bat, so logic tells me he
had two strikes on him.
I guess he got the pitchers "out pitch" in this case.
And, according you your past statements, EARNED the right to get Pete
out with his "out pitch", if Pete, were , indeed, two strikes down.
And, I, like you, dont remember the pitcher's name, so I guess he
probably never achieved immortality.
Unlike Rose, who did, and would have, even if he never had a long
hitting streak to begin with.
> It one of you little shits wants to tell me what it is thinking he
> will be ruining my day, I assure you that I will forget that
> pitcher's name long before I remember to resurrect you from the
> community killfile.
>
I can't tell you what he was thinking, only through logic, what he
PROBABLY was thinking at the time.
OTOH, Pete said afterward that the pitcher should have challenged him,
so we know what he was thinking.
> cordially, even to the Rose haters,
>
BTW, no Rose hater here, by far. He has always been my favorite
baseball player.
By far.
Greatest ever, in my opinionated mind.
Been ridiculed a bunch in this group for defending him.
> rm
jr92
>
Rose's gripe was, because Atlanta had a huge lead at the time, he
should have been "challenged" (translation: fastball). Rose, who had
hit line drives right at people in his three previous at bats, was
expecting a fastball. Guess what the greatest hitter in the history of
the game usually does when he knows what pitch is coming???
The Braves' pitcher would have been stupid to throw a fastball(at
least in the strike zone), to Pete, whos was two strikes down at the
time.
Rose was simply wrong in his statements after the game, but they were
certainly understandable under the circumstances. I don't condemn him
for being frustrated.
Lew Pitcher
> And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> tradtion" to do so???
Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. Normally,
when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
as gutless as it gets in baseball.
But we wouldn't expect someone like yourself who has never played
the game to understand this.
You are killfied. You're not worth the time.
cordially, as always,
rm
Will in New Haven
> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> > tradtion" to do so???
>
> Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. Normally,
> when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
> he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
> lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
> swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
> as gutless as it gets in baseball.
"Trying to lengthen a hit record" is not baseball. It is "me-ball."
It is exactly the kind of thing you Rose-suckers claim is un-Roselike.
--
Will in New Haven
>
weheardthenews
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 3:50�am, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
>
> > jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> > > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> > > tradtion" to do so???
>
> > Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. �Normally,
> > when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
> > he gets to walk to fist base. �But when the player is trying to
> > lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
> > swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
> > as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>
> "Trying to lengthen a hit record" is not baseball. It is "me-ball."
> It is exactly the kind of thing you Rose-suckers claim is un-Roselike.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
No. Trying to lengthen a record benefits the entire team, whether
it's a hits record or stolen base record or strikeout record. You
clearly have no understanding of the game of baseball.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Willy, did you really say that actor Mike Chiklis is butt-ugly? Well,
so are you.
>
>
>
>
>
> > But we wouldn't expect someone like yourself who has never played
> > the game to understand this.
>
> > You are killfied. �You're not worth the time.
>
> > cordially, as always,
>
Will in New Haven
> On Dec 15, 7:01 am, Will in New Haven
>
>
>
>
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 15, 3:50 am, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
>
> > > jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > > > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> > > > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> > > > tradtion" to do so???
>
> > > Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. Normally,
> > > when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
> > > he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
> > > lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
> > > swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
> > > as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>
> > "Trying to lengthen a hit record" is not baseball. It is "me-ball."
> > It is exactly the kind of thing you Rose-suckers claim is un-Roselike.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> No. Trying to lengthen a record benefits the entire team, whether
> it's a hits record or stolen base record or strikeout record. You
> clearly have no understanding of the game of baseball.
It benefits the management because it helps attendance. It may well
help the morale of the team. Scoring runs and winning games helps the
team more.
weheardthenews
There you go twisting statements around again. The lead in this game
was not the issue. McWilliams wanting to stop Rose's streak is the
issue. That's what determined what pitch McWilliams decided on. He
had a decent fastball but knew that if he threw it, No.45 would be in
the books. But no cajones, so he resorted to the off-speed. That's
what you'd expect a woman to do, not a man. Right, Willy?
To his face. But I bet you are
> meek and mild in person. Shitheads like you generally are. Hide behind
> that screen and talk shit all day.
We told Larry as much, but he told us to go fuck off with Willy in New
Haven so that's what we're doing.
We have to settle for this kind of communication because in person,
we'd end up in jail, probably sharing the same cell with your father.
No thanks.
>
> I'm called Will because there were seven other guys named Bill where I
> worked once, asshole.
Couldn't they just go with Pimp No. 1, Pimp No.2, and so on?
Will in New Haven
It's funny because I just ran into someone who got arrested because I
broke his arm. it was an amusing situation, from my point of view. I
saw him on the street a couple of days ago but he ran, so we didn't
get to talk about it. I don't hold grudges anyway, especially when the
other guy got arrested while he was in the emergency room.
>
> > I'm called Will because there were seven other guys named Bill where I
> > worked once, asshole.
>
> Couldn't they just go with Pimp No. 1, Pimp No.2, and so on?
Your mom only worked for me.
--
Will in New Haven
Pete Rose, considered the greatest hitter in the history of the game,
but only because he got the most Hits, will never get into the Hall of
Fame while he is alive.
Lew Pitcher
>> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>>
>> > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
>> > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
>> > tradtion" to do so???
>>
>> when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
>> lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
>> swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
>> as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>
> "Trying to lengthen a hit record" is not baseball. It is "me-ball."
> It is exactly the kind of thing you Rose-suckers claim is un-Roselike.
Sure. And when Pete lengthened the hit record he got a standing
ovation the likes of which were seldom seen.
Sorry, doofus. But if baseball is all about "winning" then there
really isn't any point in watching it, is there? Just check the
websites in the morning for the standings.
Oh, but wait, you knew that years ago, right? Since baseball is all
about winning, what is the point in buying a ticket and watching the
game?
You're gone too. I am tired of you and your wankings. Go and be
lonely somewhere else. Keep it up and you will be moved from my
personal killfile to the community killfile and we will see you
banned from usenet altogether.
cordially, even to those being killfiled,
rm
jr92
> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> > tradtion" to do so???
>
> Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. Normally,
> when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
> he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
> lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
> swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
> as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>
"Gutless" would be not giving the hitter anything to hit. Walking him
would have been gutless. Hell, he had Pete down two strikes, whay
should he have done?> Thrown underhanded?
According to you there must be some unwritten rule that you groove
pitches to batters to help them extend records. I didn't know you
believed in unwritten rules.
I believe in unwritten rules myself. One of them is to always do your
very best. Would the Brave's pitcher have done his very best by
throwing a fastball when Rose (at least Rose thought) was EXPECTING
one?
In this case, he was a helluva lot more professional than Rose was. He
made Pete have to EARN the hit that would have extended the streak.
Rose failed, and there certainly is no shame in that. I am sure he did
his best in the situation, 44 game hitting streak is by no means
nothing to sneeze at.
> But we wouldn't expect someone like yourself who has never played
> the game to understand this.
>
You have no idea how much, or how little, I have been around the game
in my lifetime.
> You are killfied. You're not worth the time.
>
Second time around for me.
Seems like you mentioned a while back you were some kind of lawyer or
something. Is that what you do when you are losing a case? Killfile
someone??
Your a real piece of work.
Actually pretty intelligent most of the time.
Just swallow your pride and admit when someone whom you don't agree
with makes a valid point.
Hell, you might even learn something.
And, while your putdown is to killfile someone, mine is to simply tell
them, in this case, it is you, to:
"Take a hike, son!"
Been a while since I did that.
Please feel honored.
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
jr92
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 3:50 am, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
>
> > jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> > > And "earning respect" is grooving a fastball to a major league
> > > hitter, who thinks he has "earned" that right, the "proud
> > > tradtion" to do so???
>
> > Well, if "grooving" a fastball is his out-pitch, sure. Normally,
> > when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
> > he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
> > lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
> > swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
> > as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>
> "Trying to lengthen a hit record" is not baseball. It is "me-ball."
> It is exactly the kind of thing you Rose-suckers claim is un-Roselike.
>
Under the circumstances, it is very understandable that Rose would
get a little selfish and try to extend the record.
Late in the game, the score 16-4. not big deal.
Go for it.
OTOH, the Brave's pitcher probably had enough pride, and
professionalism to not be the one to become the answer to the trivia
question:
"Who was the pitcher that gave up Pete Rose's National League's record
breaking 45 hitting streak?" (Bad wording, but you understand what I
mean)
Most pitchers are pround and don't want to be no part in a hitter
breaking a record at their expence.
> --
> Will in New Haven
>
>
>
>
>
> > But we wouldn't expect someone like yourself who has never played
> > the game to understand this.
>
> > You are killfied. You're not worth the time.
>
> > cordially, as always,
>
Josh
> On Dec 15, 3:50 am, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...@techsavvy.ca> wrote:
>> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> trolled:
>>
>> when you throw unhittable garbage at a hitter, he doesn't swing and
>> he gets to walk to fist base. But when the player is trying to
>> lengthen a hit record, and the pitcher knows he is going to be
>> swinging anyway, throwing an unhittable ball, deliberately, is about
>> as gutless as it gets in baseball.
>>
>
> "Gutless" would be not giving the hitter anything to hit. Walking him
> would have been gutless. Hell, he had Pete down two strikes, whay
> should he have done?> Thrown underhanded?
Exactly. The count was 0-2, and Gene Garber (he was the pitcher)
through his out pitch, just as you would expect. Nothing gutless about
that. Had it been a 3-ball count (with any number of strikes), then it
would have been gutless given the 16-4 score.
Some personal memories of the streak:
1) I was a beer vendor at Riverfront Stadium for every home game of the
hitting streak. The first game of the streak was a "Business Man's
Special" and "Senior Citizen's Day" on a Wednesday afternoon against the
Cubs. The seniors all sit in the Green seats (second level) and that is
where I got stuck selling beer. All they wanted was hot coffee.
2) The vendors loved the streak. It increased attendance and sales.
The only downside was we had to stop selling when Rose came up (till he
got a hit) because the fans would rise as one.
3) The streak ended on the road. My vendor friends and I would take
advantage of "all-you-can-bowl" Tuesday nights when the Reds were on the
road. All bowling stopped when Pete made the final out. Most groaned,
and we vendors didn't like the financial implications. However to a
man, we all thought Rose (while being a great* player), was an arrogant
asshole from Day One. In that sense we were happy that Wee Willie
Keeler would keep his name in history.
Josh Rosenbluth
*By "great player" do I mean an objective measure of his size? Or maybe
it is the common usage, meaning a subjective measure of talent, skill
and performance.
Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> trolled:
Your delusions of power are charming, as is your delusion of
adequacy.
Winning is what you try to do when you play.
weheardthenews
Child's play. We'd send you to the mortuary.
>
>
>
> > > I'm called Will because there were seven other guys named Bill where I
> > > worked once, asshole.
>
> > Couldn't they just go with Pimp No. 1, Pimp No.2, and so on?
>
> Your mom only worked for me.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
> Pete Rose, considered the greatest hitter in the history of the game,
> but only because he got the most Hits, will never get into the Hall of
> Fame while he is alive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Willy, did you really say that the actors on 'New Moon' are prettier
than the actresses?
How long have you been a fag?
weheardthenews
>
> - Show quoted text -
What would you know about winning? You're a loser.
Willy, did you really say that land mines should be planted in and
around U.S. cities as a way to reduce acts of terrorism? Why not step
on a 'Bouncing Betty' for us? You have nothing to lose. :-)
Will in New Haven
Ok, moron, I'm going to call upon my mystic power and exile you from
this newsgroup.
Damn, it doesn't work for ME either.
--
Will in New Haven
Pete Rose, who is known as the greatest hitter in history, but only
because he has the most Hits, will never get into the Hall of Fame
while he is alive