Strike? No Problem...
Jeffrey Zirker
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$$-> I have the answer to the impending baseball dispute. (Really, I do. Just
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$$-> So here's the solution. Each player receives a guaranteed salary of
$$-> $100,000 per year. After that, every additional dime is achieved through
$$-> performance.
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$$-> OK, so some feel that "the quality of the game will suffer". Fooey. I
$$-> think the exact opposite will happen, MLB will be full of hungary
$$-> players again.
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$$-> See, I told you I had the answer.
I agree completely.
Jeff
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Ron Dick
I have the answer to the impending baseball dispute. (Really, I do. Just
ask me). As I see it, there are too few players in MLB that make any
substantial impact to the success of a team, but there are too many
players getting paid as if they did. Now, Im not going to get into how
much is too much (or too little), I'll just tell you how the current
labor situation can be resovled, forever. This solution will no doubt
cause strike a this year (I didn't say I had the answer to current strike
situation, I said the labor dispute) and cause termoil in MLB for a few
years, but the timimg is perfect. Here's how it works...
Have professional golfers ever striked?
Have professional tennis players ever striked?
Have professional race car drivers ever striked?
Have professional bowlers ever striked?
Have professional volleyball players ever striked?
Have professional basketweavers ever striked?
While I'm not 100% certain that none of the above have indeed striked,
my guess is not many have. The difference between MLB players and the
above list is that while golfers, tennis players, race car drivers, etc.
get paid on current performance, MLB players get paid too much on past
performance. If a race car driver has a great year, he makes a lot of
money, if he doesn't, he doesn't. The same for the others listed. MLB
players in the other hand, get huge multi-year contacts and have no
incentive to excel, if they don't want to. If I was just handed a five
year contact for two or three million per year, I've just guaranteed
myself enough money to live for the rest of my life. The hunger I had
when in the minors and through my rookie year(s) until the time when
I "made it" is gone. Sounds harsh, but a common arguement.
So here's the solution. Each player receives a guaranteed salary of
$100,000 per year. After that, every additional dime is achieved through
performance. A scale is used to determine dollar amounts for hits (singles,
doubles, etc.), on-base %, fielding (deductions for errors), etc. If
your a pitcher, your scale is based on pitching performance, good and bad.
For the those who feel that baseball is a team sport, you can also add
additional bonuses for winning your division, pennant, and World Series.
There are also bonuses for ROY, MVP, etc. Simple, isn't it?
What else does this solution do?
1. salary cap is a non-issue.
2. large market teams have no advantage over small market teams.
3. no more mega-dollar contract bust players.
4. the players union does what it's suppost to do and make sure
players are treated fairly, and work WITH the owners. but
hey, who needs the union then?
5. if a player feels he is underpaid, he can produce more or go get
another job. isn't that what most employers say?
OK, so some feel that "the quality of the game will suffer". Fooey. I
think the exact opposite will happen, MLB will be full of hungary
players again. No more contests to see who can NEGOTIATE the biggest
contract deal, the contests will be to see who can EARN the most. No
more complaining that someone else on another team is unfairly getting
paid more than you. The proof will be in the stats. Period. If you want
to be the highest paid player in MLB, then go out there and do it. Who
wants to hear the moaning and groaning? Remember Rickey Henderson a few
years ago? Pathetic. Well, no more. Oh, and don't forget those player
agents. Ha. Now they can go get a real job.
Now before your mind explodes with all the comments you want to send back
to me, I'm just stating my opinion along with the millions of others out
there. Don't take it personally. I also feel that this solution can be
used in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc.
Randy Clark - 6441
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>$$-> So here's the solution. Each player receives a guaranteed salary of
>$$-> $100,000 per year. After that, every additional dime is achieved through
>$$-> performance.
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>$$-> OK, so some feel that "the quality of the game will suffer". Fooey. I
>$$-> think the exact opposite will happen, MLB will be full of hungary
>$$-> players again.
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What you will lose, though, is the concept of sacrifice for the advancement of the
team. How do you put a dollar amount on the sacfrice fly that lowers a batter's
average? What about the hit-and-run situation where the batter would have easily
been out if the fielder had not been pulled out of position to cover 2nd? Bunts
in general?
No. The result will be guys trying to tattoo the ball (just like you see in A ball)
with no sense of strategic placement. Egos will be beyond control in that kind of
playing environment. For instance, what pitcher would want to play on an AL team
with lousy fielding?
It's an idea with merit, though. I would place more emphasis on how well the team as
a whole performs with lesser rewards for individual performance.
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Lance Squiddie Smith
It's late. I'm going to take this seriously...
In article <420...@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> di...@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ron Dick) writes:
>
> Have professional golfers ever striked?
> Have professional tennis players ever striked?
Don't know about these first two. I believe there have been labor
disagreements in both golf and tennis.
> Have professional race car drivers ever striked?
Yes, although it's usually not as formal as a baseball strike
> Have professional bowlers ever striked?
If they're professional bowlers I like to think they strike all the time...
> Have professional volleyball players ever striked?
Actually, they have.
> Have professional basketweavers ever striked?
Well, yeah. Weavers unions have struck often.
> While I'm not 100% certain that none of the above have indeed striked,
> my guess is not many have. The difference between MLB players and the
> above list is that while golfers, tennis players, race car drivers, etc.
> get paid on current performance, MLB players get paid too much on past
> performance. If a race car driver has a great year, he makes a lot of
> money, if he doesn't, he doesn't.
This isn't true. In the case of the golfer and the tennis player, only a good
percentage of their income comes through winnings in a tournament. Most
make a large portion through product endorsements and, in some cases,
appearance fees. Sponsor's contracts are often multi-year and based upon a
players past performance.
So an equipment company signed John Daley to a large multi-year endorsement
contract even though he's had a checkered career with flashes of brilliance.
It's the same as a baseball owner signing a pitcher to a big term contract
because of one good season or a no-hit game. Unlike baseball owners, sporting
good companies don't publicly whine that they made a mistake for offering
too big a contract to a player whose career suddenly evaporates.
In the case of race car drivers, it varies depending on the level of racing,
but drivers do have contracts, often multiyear, to drive for their teams.
Incentives are usually built in for winning, but the prize money for doing
well in a race goes to the team and not just the driver. If you think
baseball players are overpaid, check out the amount of money top formula one
drivers get to drive for teams.
I'll let someone else explain why performance contracts are usually a bad
idea.
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(lsm...@cs.umn.edu) | Oakland A's, Mr Peanut was crushed by a
Special Limited Edition | red headed loner wielding a graphite bat."
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James Daniel Powers
Ron Dick <di...@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> wrote:
[pages and pages of drivel]
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a troll.
-Jim
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Sean Sweda
> So here's the solution. Each player receives a guaranteed salary of
> $100,000 per year. After that, every additional dime is achieved through
> performance. A scale is used to determine dollar amounts for hits (singles,
> doubles, etc.), on-base %, fielding (deductions for errors), etc. If
> your a pitcher, your scale is based on pitching performance, good and bad.
> For the those who feel that baseball is a team sport, you can also add
> additional bonuses for winning your division, pennant, and World Series.
> There are also bonuses for ROY, MVP, etc. Simple, isn't it?
Ron,
As clueless as the owners and their "baseball men" are about what makes
a player valuable, I think this is completely unrealistic. (I have
nightmare visions of Joe Carter making $8 million dollars because of
"all those RBI") In fact, if some of the front office people had a little
sense, they wouldn't be "losing" all this money.
Sean
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Ed Threet
wrote:
> (Ron's stuff on BB players getting paid comensurate with their performance deleted)
>
> See, I told you I had the answer.
What he said!
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MEFleming
>Pay for performance salary structure
Thank Mr. Bud Seellig (Brewers ownership group head and is head owner and
whose name I can't spell) who proposed this solution a few years back.
cla...@aur.alcatel.com (Randy Clark - 6441) then responded:
>How this plan penelizes making plays for the good of the team and how
pitchers' wallets suffer from poor fielding
Very good points, as was the one by someone else about Joe Carter being
paid 'cause "he's such a good clutch hitter (getting all those RBI's)"
Well it's pretty late and I'll probably regret posting this, so I'll make
it quick. I've got a compromise. Why not apply a multiplier to each
individual's total take based upon the Team's performance. This way,
everyday players have a vested interest in how well the team does, and
role players that don't get the playing time to put up the big numbers get
rewarded for the important part they play on the team.
My $ 0.02,
Matthew
David M. Nieporent
>>$$-> I have the answer to the impending baseball dispute. (Really, I do. Just
>>[snip]
>>$$->
>>$$-> So here's the solution. Each player receives a guaranteed salary of
>>$$-> $100,000 per year. After that, every additional dime is achieved through
>>$$-> performance.
>>$$-> think the exact opposite will happen, MLB will be full of hungary
>>$$-> players again.
>>[snip]
>
>What you will lose, though, is the concept of sacrifice for the advancement of the
>team. How do you put a dollar amount on the sacfrice fly that lowers a batter's
baseball? (Sacrifice flies *don't* lower a player's average.)
Anyway, people *can't* try for sacrifice flies, so this is irrelevant.
>average? What about the hit-and-run situation where the batter would have easily
>been out if the fielder had not been pulled out of position to cover 2nd? Bunts
>in general?
>
>No. The result will be guys trying to tattoo the ball (just like you see in A ball)
>with no sense of strategic placement. Egos will be beyond control in that kind of
>playing environment. For instance, what pitcher would want to play on an AL team
>with lousy fielding?
>It's an idea with merit, though. I would place more emphasis on how well the team as
>a whole performs with lesser rewards for individual performance.
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Joe Rhinehart
-> Have professional race car drivers ever striked?
Not yet - but I heard Kyle Petty complaining about low purses in racing
just before the Brickyard 400. That's where it starts....
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