www.DropZoneGPS.com
ytre...@yahoo.com
Dear friends,
For your reference,
There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
dedicated GPS for the skydiver community, combining GPS receiver,
short-range radio, altimeter, 3D accelerometer, microprocessor with
large storage capacity and USB interface.
The GPS will feature practically zero acquisition time since it stores
the raw receiver data, along with the NMEA one, for further processing
(satellite fix) on the ground.
The collected data (tracks) could be then viewed on standard computer
using built-in device keypad similar to a TV remote control, so one
does not even need to touch PC mouse or keyboard.
If interested, please visit the project site at www.DropZoneGPS.com
Briefly, the main features of the device:
* High Resolution Differential GPS (DGPS)
* Zero Acquisition Time
* Collision Warning Alarm
* Formation Recorder (incl. orientation)
* G-Meter
* Standard Logbook
* Built-in Flash Memory (no card required)
* USB / Wireless Operation
* Track Browser Keypad
* FREE 3D Graphical Viewer
Preliminary specifications:
Resolution 0.5 m (differential)
Frequency band 2.4 GHz
Output power 1 mW
Range approx. 100 meters
Memory capacity 8 MB
Data format NMEA / raw
Interface USB / IEEE 802.15.4 (uses one device as a
dongle)
Battery 3 x AA type
Size 10 x 40 x 60 mm
Weight 50 g (w/batteries)
Target price 95 EU
Kind nordic regards,
Yuri Tregubov / FINLAND
Team Leader
www.DropZoneGPS.com
ynotssor
ytre...@yahoo.com <ytre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community ...
It's already been done, online: http://www.sat-gps-locate.com
PeterLucas
@mid.individual.net:
ROFL!!!!
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell
the unknown flailer
Can't spot? Come to America! ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Yep, excluding yourself, people do spot over here.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 20 Apr 2007 15:02:06 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
to be a Queen.
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 20, 7:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
You don't have a clue, do you, Jinnie?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 20 Apr 2007 18:27:30 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
I have your number, thats all thats needed.....Vain, greedy, effete.
Part of the whats in it for me generation. The downfall of a once
great nation. Thats what brought Rome down you know........Bad
emperors and internal corruption.....Well we have our first truly
ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
Citizens voted that in because they want comfort and entertainment at
any price....so now we start the great decline. Europeans have learned
how to get along and the common market has passed us by.....China is
on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power. The USPA
and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
and dysfunctional......You are a poster boy. You missed the boat on
doing something viable for this nation so at least pay your fair share
of Tax's on the money you skim from the sport you bottom feeding
creep.
As far as what the Finn's are working on, sounds like their just
tweaking the GPS system, you know tailoring it to skydivers. Yawl are
spoiled and lazy enough already IMHO. When satellite systems the U.S.
put up originally for military use suffers a glitch what you going to
do? Be safe pratice eyeball spotting, don't be a totally dependent
techno geek. Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
generally require sweat equity. Idiots! ;)P
the unknown flailer
> "ynotssor" <ynots...@example.net> wrote in news:58q2g1F2fautdU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Innews:1176999751.4...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> > ytregu...@yahoo.com <ytregu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
> >> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
> >> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community ...
>
> > It's already been done, online:http://www.sat-gps-locate.com
>
> ROFL!!!!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
You Australlian Prissy Fellows need that for indoor skydiving I take
it?
Bwooooooooooohahahahahaha WHAT A BUNCH OF QUEENS!!! 0~;)
the unknown flailer
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Innews:1176999751.4...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> > ytregu...@yahoo.com <ytregu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
> >> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
> >> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community ...
>
> > It's already been done, online:http://www.sat-gps-locate.com
>
> ROFL!!!!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
Thats a cell phone tracking system....I can see its important for any
Brisbane queen wanting to know where their boyfriend is at any given
time. The Finish system although it might be considered dual purpose
is tailored more to skydiving needs it would seem
>
> "People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
> the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
> -- George Orwell
Yes, we know you like manly men Peter, I can't help but feel you and
Jerry K are a lot alike. Why not sponsor him for immigration? We need
a inflation break in the U.S. of A
and are willing to export a few of our worse anfluenza queens. 0~;)P
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 20, 8:46 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Nevermind that this "number" you say you have is nothing more than me,
with regularity, through questions you can't answer, reality you can't
deny, and reason you can't argue against, point out to you your own
inconsistancies, your lies, and your hypocrisies - plus some ridicule
for sport.
>Vain, greedy, effete.
All subjectively based on what is nothing more than rhetorical
bullshit.
>Part of the whats in it for me generation.
As opposed to you, not a generational thing, and has been long
illustrated in here where for you it's always been "all about me."
>The downfall of a once
>great nation. Thats what brought Rome down you know........
>Bad emperors and internal corruption..
The Fall of Rome was due to a huge variety of factors, and suggesting
it was solely due to some societal immoral bent denies other
significant factors such as the rises of Christianity, Islam, and the
induction of barbarian forces into its military, to name but a few -
there are many other, well documented factors.
>...Well we have our first truly
>ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
U.S. Grant?
>Citizens voted that in because they want comfort and entertainment at
>any price...
The election in 2000 could have gone either way and the central issues
were the immoral baggage left with Gore post Clinton, as well as the
potential tax burden baggage of the party vs. the morality as
represented at the time by Bush and the belief of and hope for tax
relief as represented by his party. The election in 2004 was about
what type of leader did the US want in a time of crisis and war, with
taxes in a close second.
>.so now we start the great decline. Europeans have learned
>how to get along and the common market has passed us by.....
Nevermind current efforts to create a "common market" in this
hemisphere. It is kinda funny how you gargle the "buy american"
platitude while in almost the same breath lament missing out on some
sort of "common market." You gotta think this shit through, Jinnie -
you're just embarrassing yourself every time you don't.
>China is
>on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power.
Hmmm - could this be due to US greed or PRC greed and who is
greedier, the person wanting his own country to be the "driving
Capitalist power," or the person contributing to another country's
"capitalist power," by purchasing products from that country because
it might cost less?
>The USPA
>and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
>and dysfunctional......
Talk about your whining. You have no contact with USPA beyond what
you get in here and for the most part, what you get in here is a
rejection of your own "self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional"
bullshit.
>You are a poster boy.
Current, too.
>You missed the boat on
>doing something viable for this nation
So you imagine because this idea makes you feel better about yourself
but the truth is, you don't know - though if you got off your ass and
checked with the government - that information is out there - you
might know for sure. For now, it's just more rhetorical bullshit,
nothing more.
>so at least pay your fair share
>of Tax's on the money you skim from the sport you bottom feeding
>creep.
And more guesses made fact in your head because it fits the rhetoric.
Who says I don't? You? How do you know?
>
>As far as what the Finn's are working on, sounds like their just
>tweaking the GPS system, you know tailoring it to skydivers.
No, seems to me it's a project to incorporate a number of different
technologies into a single package for anyone interested in such a
thing.
>Yawl are
>spoiled and lazy enough already IMHO.
As has often been clearly illustrated before, how you arrive at your
opinions and conclusions has been proven to be flawed and fraught with
error. You don't skydive, nor do you go to dropzones - explain how
you know skydivers are, as you put it most subjectively, "spoiled and
lazy."
>When satellite systems the U.S.
>put up originally for military use
>suffers a glitch what you going to
>do?
Same as always - look out and spot.
>Be safe pratice eyeball spotting, don't be a totally dependent
>techno geek.
Only you, dingleberry, would perceive some research project as a
threat to an aspect of a pasttime which you are not part of and
further, an aspect you proved yourself demonstratively lousy at.
Further, only you would be so clueless as to suggest someone not be a
"techno geek" via a personal computer via an isp hooked up to the
usenet.
>Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
>generally require sweat equity. Idiots!
Right, there's some research project going on and you start having a
hissy fit about the "old fashioned ways" being "thrown out." Shit,
Jinnie - you jumped those modern ramairs instead of those "old
fashioned" rounds during that short period of time you were jumping -
where was your "sweat equity" then? Dumbass.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 23 Apr 2007 08:39:32 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
Quit quibbling, corruption and poor leadership started the decline of
the Roman Empire. All of those factors sped it up no doubt but Rome
broke its Legions by recruiting so many barbarians to fill the ranks
was the main factor. Roman over extended itself, made some bad foreign
policy decisions and the average citizen got to lazy to serve hastened
the final collapse.....Same road were on boy. Go out and join up today
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> >...Well we have our first truly
> >ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
>
> U.S. Grant?
I'd put the current Bush Administration right up there with Grant's.
All of his political appointee's have their snout stuck in the feed
pen and quite a few are incompetent.
>
> >Citizens voted that in because they want comfort and entertainment at
> >any price...
>
> >.so now we start the great decline. Europeans have learned
> >how to get along and the common market has passed us by.....
>
> Nevermind current efforts to create a "common market" in this
> hemisphere. It is kinda funny how you gargle the "buy american"
> platitude while in almost the same breath lament missing out on some
> sort of "common market." You gotta think this shit through, Jinnie -
> you're just embarrassing yourself every time you don't.
You are thinking world market sonny, we are getting our clocks cleaned
there as well.
Corporate America and the past Republican Congress has sold us out.
Now we have a Republican POTUS thats breaking the bank and destroying
our military to rebuild a Nation in the middle east where possibly
less than half the people are worth saving.
People he's put in place have stolen Iraqi's Billions and milked the
tax payers for all their worth. Bush is a oil man, thats all he's
worried about, profits for his Corporate cronies in the oil world. AT
OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!
>
> >China is
> >on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power.
>
> Hmmm - could this be due to US greed or PRC greed and who is
> greedier, the person wanting his own country to be the "driving
> Capitalist power," or the person contributing to another country's
> "capitalist power," by purchasing products from that country because
> it might cost less?
>
> >The USPA
> >and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
> >and dysfunctional......
>
> Talk about your whining. You have no contact with USPA beyond what
> you get in here and for the most part, what you get in here is a
> rejection of your own "self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional"
> bullshit.
in denial? Thats one way to sooth your conscious I suppose
>
> >You are a poster boy.
>
> Current, too.
>
> >You missed the boat on
> >doing something viable for this nation
>
> So you imagine because this idea makes you feel better about yourself
> but the truth is, you don't know - though if you got off your ass and
> checked with the government - that information is out there - you
> might know for sure. For now, it's just more rhetorical bullshit,
> nothing more.
>
> >so at least pay your fair share
> >of Tax's on the money you skim from the sport you bottom feeding
> >creep.
>
> And more guesses made fact in your head because it fits the rhetoric.
> Who says I don't? You? How do you know?
Hey, if you are willing to chisel the sport it also follows you are
not sharing any profits sponged off the sport with the IRS
>
>
>
> >As far as what the Finn's are working on, sounds like their just
> >tweaking the GPS system, you know tailoring it to skydivers.
>
> No, seems to me it's a project to incorporate a number of different
> technologies into a single package for anyone interested in such a
> thing.
>
> >Yawl are spoiled and lazy enough already IMHO.
>
> As has often been clearly illustrated before, how you arrive at your
> opinions and conclusions has been proven to be flawed and fraught with
> error. You don't skydive, nor do you go to dropzones - explain how
> you know skydivers are, as you put it most subjectively, "spoiled and
> lazy."
It's human nature that has somehow got out of hand in the sport and I
see you as a poster child......throw money at it seems to be the
answer
>Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
> >generally require sweat equity. Idiots!
>
> Right, there's some research project going on and you start having a
> hissy fit about the "old fashioned ways" being "thrown out." Shit,
> Jinnie - you jumped those modern ramairs instead of those "old
> fashioned" rounds during that short period of time you were jumping -
> where was your "sweat equity" then? Dumbass.
I mostly spotted manually except on Mike Mullins 24/5's, ask the
people that got hosed on the Otter HAHAHAHAHAHA
~Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for
your country~
Love it or leqave it you damn bottom feeder
the unknown flailer
> wrote:
> >Vain, greedy, effete.
>
> All subjectively based on what is nothing more than rhetorical
> bullshit.
>
> >Part of the whats in it for me generation.
>
> As opposed to you, not a generational thing, and has been long
> illustrated in here where for you it's always been "all about me."
BIG SNIP
When Jerry gets emotional he gets wordy like a girl
ITS MY OPINION, LIVE WITH IT PUNK 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> wrote:
>
Snip for brevity
> Further, only you would be so clueless as to suggest someone not be a
> "techno geek" via a personal computer via an isp hooked up to the
> usenet.
I have people that do that for me....arn't you grateful? <snigger>
>
> >Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
> >generally require sweat equity. Idiots!
>
> Right, there's some research project going on and you start having a
> hissy fit about the "old fashioned ways" being "thrown out." Shit,
> Jinnie - you jumped those modern ramairs instead of those "old
> fashioned" rounds during that short period of time you were jumping -
> where was your "sweat equity" then? Dumbass.
I've put it in and retired, just because you need someone to come out
and carry you
wellll a saying comes to mind----I told the Navy this back in the
1980's when they were begging me to come back in and train some people
for small craft warfare along Nicaragua's borders. River and sea
borne
"Your problem is not my problem!" A good call because that particular
South American country turned out all right despite U.S. interference.
Jerry girl..........Your problem is not mine, suck it up and learn how
to check your own pin. Quit depending on the pilot for a spot, you
don't need me out there coaching you
Bwoooooohahahahahahahaha What a sucker
Mike Spurgeon
> "Your problem is not my problem!" A good call because that particular
> South American country turned out all right despite U.S. interference.
Actually, it is 'better' and was *because* of U.S. interference...
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Quibbling is your middle name, dingleberry - "corruption and poor
leadership" were symptons of the decline, they did not themselves
"start the decline," nor did they finish it. Do your homework.
>All of those factors sped it up no doubt but Rome
>broke its Legions by recruiting so many barbarians to fill the ranks
>was the main factor.
Wait a sec, earlier you were suggesting it was because of some "whats
in it for me generation." Now the "main factor" is coincidentally one
of the examples I provided?
>Roman over extended itself, made some bad foreign
>policy decisions and the average citizen got to lazy to serve hastened
>the final collapse...
So, dingleberry, when do you think the "final collapse" occurred and
what circumstance do you see as this "final collapse?"
>..Same road were on boy. Go out and join up today
>HAHAHAHAHAHA
Naw, I'm too busy with destroying skydiving (while remaining current)
to take any part in the overall collapse of western civilization.
>
>>
>> >...Well we have our first truly
>> >ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
>>
>> U.S. Grant?
>
>I'd put the current Bush Administration right up there with Grant's.
So, now you're saying Bush isn't "our first truly ignorant Cesar in
office?"
>All of his political appointee's have their snout stuck in the feed
>pen and quite a few are incompetent.
Tony Principi? Jimmy Nicholson? Colin Powell?
>>
>> >Citizens voted that in because they want comfort and entertainment at
>> >any price...
>>
>> >.so now we start the great decline. Europeans have learned
>> >how to get along and the common market has passed us by.....
>>
>> Nevermind current efforts to create a "common market" in this
>> hemisphere. It is kinda funny how you gargle the "buy american"
>> platitude while in almost the same breath lament missing out on some
>> sort of "common market." You gotta think this shit through, Jinnie -
>> you're just embarrassing yourself every time you don't.
>
>You are thinking world market sonny, we are getting our clocks cleaned
>there as well.
No, I said "common market in this hemisphere," just as you referenced
"common market" and "Europe." The point here being how devoid of
anything but rhetorical bullshit is your take, "so now we start the
great decline. Europeans have learned how to get along and the common
market has passed us by," when the reality is quite the opposite -
nevermind the inconsistancy of whining about being "passed by" some
"common market," while at the same time gargling, "buy american." This
isn't rocket science, dumbass.
>Corporate America and the past Republican Congress has sold us out.
>Now we have a Republican POTUS thats breaking the bank and destroying
>our military to rebuild a Nation in the middle east where possibly
>less than half the people are worth saving.
>People he's put in place have stolen Iraqi's Billions and milked the
>tax payers for all their worth. Bush is a oil man, thats all he's
>worried about, profits for his Corporate cronies in the oil world. AT
>OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!
Chill out, Jinnie - why are you yelling?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/7bace04e1cc4e397?hl=en&
"I didn't vote for bush but the president is the president and I
always back the one in office"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/8044c02661a95951?hl=en&
he is President. I support any and every serving US President even if
I didn't vote for them...
* * *
>>
>> >China is
>> >on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power.
>>
>> Hmmm - could this be due to US greed or PRC greed and who is
>> greedier, the person wanting his own country to be the "driving
>> Capitalist power," or the person contributing to another country's
>> "capitalist power," by purchasing products from that country because
>> it might cost less?
>>
>> >The USPA
>> >and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
>> >and dysfunctional......
>>
>> Talk about your whining. You have no contact with USPA beyond what
>> you get in here and for the most part, what you get in here is a
>> rejection of your own "self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional"
>> bullshit.
>
>in denial? Thats one way to sooth your conscious I suppose
"Self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional" - I can cite with links
to your own statements multiple examples of you in here being just
that. Let's see you do the same for me. Otherwise, feel free to make
with the excuses, or like that big 48way lie you were on (while
actually watching it from the ground), ignore the assertion.
Your rhetorical bullshit premise that it "has somehow got out of
hand," is as devoid contemporary experience as it is all in your
imagination.
>
>
>
>
>>Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
>> >generally require sweat equity. Idiots!
>>
>> Right, there's some research project going on and you start having a
>> hissy fit about the "old fashioned ways" being "thrown out." Shit,
>> Jinnie - you jumped those modern ramairs instead of those "old
>> fashioned" rounds during that short period of time you were jumping -
>> where was your "sweat equity" then? Dumbass.
>
>I mostly spotted manually except on Mike Mullins 24/5's, ask the
>people that got hosed on the Otter
So do most other people, despite what your imagination tells you.
>
>~Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for
>your country~
Where have I been asking "what my country can do for me," as opposed
to you demanding what others do?
>
>Love it or leqave it you damn bottom feeder
Which is a very good point when it comes to you and your bitching
about the same. The answer, of course, is feel free to leave but
understand if you do, you will be subject to our country's foreign
policy.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Gee, I bothering some dingleberry, yet? As was said, dingleberry -
"As opposed to you, not a generational thing, and has been long
illustrated in here where for you it's always been "all about me," and
as ever, "how you arrive at your opinions and conclusions has been
proven to be flawed and fraught with error."
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2007 08:39:32 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>Snip for brevity
AKA - Snip because you didn't have an answer, did you?
>
>> Further, only you would be so clueless as to suggest someone not be a
>> "techno geek" via a personal computer via an isp hooked up to the
>> usenet.
>
>I have people that do that for me....arn't you grateful?
Right, you say don't be a "technogeek" while at the same time have
people being "technogeeks" for you. Do you tell them to not be
technogeeks, too? And another hashmark goes up in the dinglberry
hypocrisy column.
>
>
>>
>> >Don't throw out the old fashioned ways just because they
>> >generally require sweat equity. Idiots!
>>
>> Right, there's some research project going on and you start having a
>> hissy fit about the "old fashioned ways" being "thrown out." Shit,
>> Jinnie - you jumped those modern ramairs instead of those "old
>> fashioned" rounds during that short period of time you were jumping -
>> where was your "sweat equity" then? Dumbass.
>
>I've put it in and retired, just because you need someone to come out
>and carry you
Get real, you hammered yourself into a runway and broke your dumb ass
beyond the point of returning, and as for what you did before to "put
it in," you were jumping modern ramairs. Whoopty "sweat equity" shit.
>wellll a saying comes to mind----I told the Navy this back in the
>1980's when they were begging me to come back in and train some people
>for small craft warfare along Nicaragua's borders. River and sea
>borne
AKA - Jinnie got a computer mailout sent to former service members
because he was on some list.
>
>"Your problem is not my problem!" A good call because that particular
>South American country turned out all right despite U.S. interference.
Who's the Nicaraguan president these days, Jinnie?
>
>Jerry girl..........Your problem is not mine, suck it up and learn how
>to check your own pin.
Yo, dingleberry - where'd you get the idea I never learned?
>Quit depending on the pilot for a spot,
Where'd you get the idea that I do?
>you
>don't need me out there coaching you
Where'd you get the idea I did?
>Bwoooooohahahahahahahaha What a sucker
Umm, Jinnie? You posted three reponses to one response from me and on
another thread, twice (thus far) to my one - that's some serious
vacuum, dingleberry.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 23 Apr 2007 10:53:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On 23 Apr 2007 08:39:32 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 20, 8:46 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 18:27:30 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Apr 20, 7:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 15:02:06 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Apr 19, 11:22 am, ytregu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> 19 April, 2007
>
> >> >> >> >> Dear friends,
>
> >> >> >> >> For your reference,
>
> >> >> >> >> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
> >> >> >> >> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
> >> >> >> >> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community,
>>>>Snip a Euro sales pitch<<<<
> leadership" were symptoms of the decline, they did not themselves
> "start the decline," nor did they finish it. Do your homework.
>
> >All of those factors sped it up no doubt but Rome
> >broke its Legions by recruiting so many barbarians to fill the ranks
> >was the main factor.
>
> Wait a sec, earlier you were suggesting it was because of some "whats
> in it for me generation." Now the "main factor" is coincidentally one
> of the examples I provided?
>
> >Roman over extended itself, made some bad foreign
> >policy decisions and the average citizen got to lazy to serve hastened
> >the final collapse...
>
> So, dingleberry, when do you think the "final collapse" occurred and
> what circumstance do you see as this "final collapse?"
When Rome failed to pay tribute and the Barbarians came in and sacked
her. The Eastern Roman Empire survived because it was based in Turkey
but the Rome in Italy was effectively finished. Lucky Charlemagne came
along later and backed the Pope so Western Rome could be reinstated as
a power
>
> >..Same road were on boy. Go out and join up today
> >HAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Naw, I'm too busy with destroying skydiving (while remaining current)
> to take any part in the overall collapse of western civilization.
>
Its your self serving corruption Jerry, you are just one of many...The
over the top lifestyle of citizens and afluenza is killing this
country and the world if you take into account Global Warming. I
believe we would be better off if Al Gore had won the first election.
>
> >> >...Well we have our first truly
> >> >ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
>
> >> U.S. Grant?
>
> >I'd put the current Bush Administration right up there with Grant's.
>
> So, now you're saying Bush isn't "our first truly ignorant Cesar in
> office?"
I wasn't born before the Grant Administration contrary to popular
belief. Grant was a good General but had been a failure at everything
else he turned his hand to. Bush joined the ANG to avoid Vietnam then
didn't bother to show up for meetings. How ironic his out is now a
invitation to a tour in the middle east. I wonder how he sleeps at
night? So, to get back on subject----> your reasoning is invalid----
Bush was neither a good Military man nor a good Statesman IMHO. At
least Grant batted 500, Bush has nothing but bad grammar and oil
investments. Chaney is even worse, this is why I pray for Bush's
safety and health. A outright robber Barron like the V.P. would break
the country financially
> >All of his political appointee's have their snout stuck in the feed
> >pen and quite a few are incompetent.
>
> Tony Principi? Jimmy Nicholson? Colin Powell?
Colin Powell was wise, you noticed he bailed on the ship of state and
the fools running it?
>
>
>
> >> >Citizens voted that in because they want comfort and entertainment at
> >> >any price...
>
> >> >.so now we start the great decline. Europeans have learned
> >> >how to get along and the common market has passed us by.....
>
> >> Nevermind current efforts to create a "common market" in this
> >> hemisphere. It is kinda funny how you gargle the "buy American"
> >> platitude while in almost the same breath lament missing out on some
> >> sort of "common market." You gotta think this shit through, Jinnie -
> >> you're just embarrassing yourself every time you don't.
>
> >You are thinking world market sonny, we are getting our clocks cleaned
> >there as well.
>
> No, I said "common market in this hemisphere," just as you referenced
> "common market" and "Europe." The point here being how devoid of
> anything but rhetorical bullshit is your take, "so now we start the
> great decline. Europeans have learned how to get along and the common
> market has passed us by," when the reality is quite the opposite -
> nevermind the inconsistancy of whining about being "passed by" some
> "common market," while at the same time gargling, "buy American."
Damn right, you don't need that Finnish GPS reader shit, learn to spot
you lazy young bitch
>
> >Corporate America and the past Republican Congress has sold us out.
> >Now we have a Republican POTUS thats breaking the bank and destroying
> >our military to rebuild a Nation in the middle east where possibly
> >less than half the people are worth saving.
> >People he's put in place have stolen Iraqi's Billions and milked the
> >tax payers for all their worth. Bush is a oil man, thats all he's
> >worried about, profits for his Corporate cronies in the oil world. AT
> >OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!
>
> Chill out, Jinnie - why are you yelling?
Because, unlike you I pay all my tax's....no cheating, no skizzling.
and gave over a decade of National service--------All sea or overseas
except for boot camp and some service schools
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/7bace04e1cc4e397?hl=en&
>
> "I didn't vote for bush but the president is the president and I
> always back the one in office"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/8044c02661a95951?hl=en&
>
> he is President. I support any and every serving US President even if
> I didn't vote for them...
Thats still true but I may have to change that because my vote no
longer counts, the U.S, is overcome with afluenza, every body thinking
their going to get a cut. NOTTTT the Republicans are not know for
trickle down to the lower middle class, working blue collar types or
the elderly.....Wasn't alive during the Grant Administration but Bush
looks pretty ignorant to me, he's not even smart enough
to hire people who can run things right....stupid is as stupid does is
true I reckon. ;)
But having said that, I'm probably going to vote for Mc Cain if he
runs
> * * *
> >> >China is
> >> >on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power.
>
> >> Hmmm - could this be due to US greed or PRC greed and who is
> >> greedier, the person wanting his own country to be the "driving
> >> Capitalist power," or the person contributing to another country's
> >> "capitalist power," by purchasing products from that country because
> >> it might cost less?
I want my country to succeed, can remember being overseas in the
1950's and the Greenback being worth 6 to 800 Yen and the same for
Lira 600 to 800 lira per dollar.
A NCO's pay went quite far back then seeing I was only making about
$800 per month including overseas pay. Shit I kept a apartment on the
beach and maids.
Had Gardeners, owned a car and motorcycle, toured Europe on my time
off....Now the Euros at what? $1.37 or there abouts? Prefer that China
does well financially though I'd rather see them buy America and force
the Yuppies out of their SUV's than kill American
servicemen........Still its tough to see my country and its dollar
steady decline because it was so strong in my youth. I buy oil and
filters from Wally World (one of the biggest offenders) and thats
about it, preferring to pay higher prices and support local merchants.
So that dog won't hunt Jerry girl.
>
> >> >The USPA
> >> >and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
> >> >and dysfunctional......
>
> >> Talk about your whining. You have no contact with USPA beyond what
> >> you get in here and for the most part, what you get in here is a
> >> rejection of your own "self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional"
> >> bullshit.
>
> >in denial? Thats one way to sooth your conscious I suppose
>
> "Self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional" - I can cite with links
> to your own statements multiple examples of you in here being just
> that.
Hell yes, I was a member of the 20th Century USPA wasn't I? Why you
think I can read you so easy and push the wussy boy buttons?
>
>
> >> >You are a poster boy.
>
> >> >so at least pay your fair share
> >> >of Tax's on the money you skim from the sport you bottom feeding
> >> >creep.
>
> >> And more guesses made fact in your head because it fits the rhetoric.
> >> Who says I don't? You? How do you know?
I have profiled you, shit the Government should hire me.
>
> >Hey, if you are willing to chisel the sport it also follows you are
> >not sharing any profits sponged off the sport with the IRS
>
> >> >As far as what the Finn's are working on, sounds like their just
> >> >tweaking the GPS system, you know tailoring it to skydivers.
>
> >> No, seems to me it's a project to incorporate a number of different
> >> technologies into a single package for anyone interested in such a
> >> thing.
>
I call it tweaking but actually improving the users end is a more
correct description
and its based on making profit by creating a vacuum where none exists.
The current GPS is good enough-----------LEARN TO SPOT don't increase
the trade deficit
the unknown flailer
I disagree, its because the people didn't vote the guerrilla leader
in, their style democracy actually worked. The old boy still runs for
office but at least he or his party didn't stage a coup to get
in.....I'd say he was right and we were wrong. The
U.S. should stay out of South America's politics....We only manage to
put Despots and Dictators in office down there and else where in the
world. Enough problems here in the U.S. We need to look to that and
leave South America alone except for fighting the drug cartels of
course........That is one of our problems-----a Nation of users, no
choice other than to interdict there.....Write me in next Presidential
election Mike....
I'll line things out both overseas and in D.C. hahaha. Good to hear
your opinion, keep firing them off......I like hearing what other
senior citizen's think---Even if their wrong Bwaaaaahahahaha 0~;).
the unknown flailer
> >I've put it in and retired, just because you need someone to come out
> >and carry you
>
> Get real, you hammered yourself into a runway and broke your dumb ass
> beyond the point of returning, and as for what you did before to "put
> it in," you were jumping modern ramairs. Whoopty "sweat equity" shit.
Nope, I was effectively finished Easter of 1996 after the brain
aneurysm. The 2000 jump was just because I needed one and was willing
to die for it, lucky I didn't because you would be lost without me
kid ;)
>
> >wellll a saying comes to mind----I told the Navy this back in the
> >1980's when they were begging me to come back in and train some people
> >for small craft warfare along Nicaragua's borders. River and sea
> >borne
>
> AKA - Jinnie got a computer mailout sent to former service members
> because he was on some list.
>
Nope they sent snail mail letters offering a Commission to W-4, Big
bonus's anything I wanted, even promising me I would stay state side
stationed at NAB Coronado or a like place in Little Creek-----too
smart for them though cuz once you sign on the dotted line your ass
belongs to Uncle Sam. With a decade in, no reserve time due or reserve
attachments and holding no Commission, they were unable to recall me
legally. I have no doubt they got my name off a River Advisor/Combat
list somewhere....How they found me at the time is what puzzles me, I
had been out well over 10 years and moved around the country, more
than once.
>
> >"Your problem is not my problem!" A good call because that particular
> >South American country turned out all right despite U.S. interference.
> >Jerry girl..........Your problem is not mine, suck it up and learn how
> >to check your own pin.
>
> Yo, dingleberry - where'd you get the idea I never learned?
>
> >Quit depending on the pilot for a spot,
>
> Where'd you get the idea that I do?
Wow here's a good one, you said the green light was permission to
leave the plane.
This ain't the Army boy.....As soon as the pilot calls door he has
effectively turned the back of the aircraft over to the spotter and
jumper load....Someone should be leaned out looking and calling
corrections...So you are the pilots puppy and not using a GPS spot
huh? Green light means the pilot wants you to go, The Otter pilot at
Waller was using a GPS to spot loads back in the 90's...Unfortunately
they way the cockpit was set up he couldn't see the correction
lights---So we hollered and someone forward passed it into the
cockpit. We got off when we were satisfied the spot was right....not
because some pilot said it was. You are owned by so many people
already Jerry and now I find out you are the Pilots puppy? Whoa sit
boy, heel, roll over. Beg for a biscuit HOO HOO HAHAHA HAW
> >you need me out there coaching you but I don't do sky god Sissy's
>
> Where'd you get the idea I did?
>
> >Bwoooooohahahahahahahaha What a sucker
>
> Umm, Jinnie? You posted three reponses to one response from me and on
> another thread, twice (thus far) to my one - that's some serious
> vacuum, dingleberry.
You go 150/200 lines all the time....I just break them down to respond
so Google don't time out on me, I was wearing my laser mouse out
dragging and clicking to edit.
Thats the answer to that tweedy 0~;)P
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 5:10 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2007 10:53:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> On 23 Apr 2007 08:39:32 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Apr 20, 8:46 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 18:27:30 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Apr 20, 7:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 15:02:06 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Apr 19, 11:22 am, ytregu...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> 19 April, 2007
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Dear friends,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> For your reference,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
>> >> >> >> >> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
>> >> >> >> >> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community,
>
> >>>>Snip a Euro sales pitch<<<<
What sales pitch? Seems to me it was a description of a reseach
project.
Yo, dingleberry - Which time? Rome was sacked something like six or
seven times between 400 bc and the 16th century.
>The Eastern Roman Empire survived because it was based in Turkey
Shit, any 2nd grader could have written that, Jinnie. It survived
because it was based in Turkey? Ya know, the Byzantine Empire also
survived because it was based in Turkey and later the Ottoman Empire
managed to survive, even into the 20th century because it was based in
Turkey. Kinda simplistic, doncha think? Oh, right - nevermind.
>but the Rome in Italy was effectively finished.
>Lucky Charlemagne came
>along later and backed the Pope so Western Rome could be reinstated as
>a power
Nevermind the creation of the Papal States almost 50 years before
Charlemagne.
>>
>> >..Same road were on boy. Go out and join up today
>> >HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> Naw, I'm too busy with destroying skydiving (while remaining current)
>> to take any part in the overall collapse of western civilization.
>>
>Its your self serving corruption Jerry, you are just one of many...The
>over the top lifestyle of citizens and afluenza is killing this
>country and the world if you take into account Global Warming. I
>believe we would be better off if Al Gore had won the first election.
>>
>> >> >...Well we have our first truly
>> >> >ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption, war profiteering.
>>
>> >> U.S. Grant?
>>
>> >I'd put the current Bush Administration right up there with Grant's.
>>
>> So, now you're saying Bush isn't "our first truly ignorant Cesar in
>> office?"
>
>
>I wasn't born before the Grant Administration contrary to popular
>belief.
No, popular belief has you born in the late 30's. You're just trying
to work a pretense suggesting the way you are or act is representitive
of an earlier generation - nevermind your addiction to popular,
mainstream electronics.
>Grant was a good General but had been a failure at everything
>else he turned his hand to. Bush joined the ANG to avoid Vietnam then
>didn't bother to show up for meetings. How ironic his out is now a
>invitation to a tour in the middle east. I wonder how he sleeps at
>night? So, to get back on subject----> your reasoning is invalid----
>Bush was neither a good Military man nor a good Statesman IMHO. At
>least Grant batted 500, Bush has nothing but bad grammar and oil
>investments. Chaney is even worse, this is why I pray for Bush's
>safety and health. A outright robber Barron like the V.P. would break
>the country financially
No, the reasoning is very valid, given your statement, "Well we have
our first truly ignorant Cesar in office, the political corruption,
war profiteering," because Grant was truely ignorant of the various
scandals, political corruption, and profiteering going on around him,
while it was going on and, like Bush, once made aware he was reluctant
to take decisive action. Your reasoning that Bush is "our first truly
ignorant Cesar in office," is invalid - as illustrated by the record
of the Grant Administration.
>
>
>> >All of his political appointee's have their snout stuck in the feed
>> >pen and quite a few are incompetent.
>>
>> Tony Principi? Jimmy Nicholson? Colin Powell?
>
>Colin Powell was wise, you noticed he bailed on the ship of state and
>the fools running it?
So, I guess not "All of his political appointee's have their snout
stuck in the feed pen? Wanna try again?
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/7bace04e1cc4e397?hl=en&tion
>>
>> "I didn't vote for bush but the president is the president and I
>> always back the one in office"
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/8044c02661a95951?hl=en&
>>
>> he is President. I support any and every serving US President even if
>> I didn't vote for them...
>
>
>Thats still true but I may have to change that because my vote no
>longer counts,
That's a pretty lame excuse for a flip-flop, Jinnie.
>the U.S, is overcome with afluenza, every body thinking
>their going to get a cut. NOTTTT the Republicans are not know for
>trickle down to the lower middle class, working blue collar types or
>the elderly.....Wasn't alive during the Grant Administration but Bush
>looks pretty ignorant to me, he's not even smart enough
>to hire people who can run things right....
And again, Colin Powell?
>stupid is as stupid does is
>true I reckon.
How'd you fix that dropfoot, again?
>But having said that, I'm probably going to vote for Mc Cain if he
>runs
Why? I thought you said your vote no longer counts?"
>> * * *
>> >> >China is
>> >> >on the cusp of replacing us as a driving Capitalist power.
>>
>> >> Hmmm - could this be due to US greed or PRC greed and who is
>> >> greedier, the person wanting his own country to be the "driving
>> >> Capitalist power," or the person contributing to another country's
>> >> "capitalist power," by purchasing products from that country because
>> >> it might cost less?
>
>I want my country to succeed,
>can remember being overseas in the
>1950's and the Greenback being worth 6 to 800 Yen and the same for
>Lira 600 to 800 lira per dollar.
>A NCO's pay went quite far back then seeing I was only making about
>$800 per month including overseas pay. Shit I kept a apartment on the
>beach and maids.
>Had Gardeners, owned a car and motorcycle, toured Europe on my time
>off....Now the Euros at what? $1.37 or there abouts? Prefer that China
>does well financially though I'd rather see them buy America and force
>the Yuppies out of their SUV's than kill American
>servicemen........Still its tough to see my country and its dollar
>steady decline because it was so strong in my youth. I buy oil and
>filters from Wally World (one of the biggest offenders) and thats
>about it, preferring to pay higher prices and support local merchants.
>So that dog won't hunt Jerry girl.
So, you're saying the Chinese are greedier for wanting their country
to be "the driving Capitalist power," - which kinda puts into
perspective your earlier whines about greedy Americans being
indicative of some sort of "Decline of the Roman Empire," a'la USA.
You want your "country to succeed," and demonstate it by having a
strong dollar, which would suggest you want your country to be "the
driving Capitalist power," which, as you've already denied your
preference for cheap foreign made things bought at Walmart as
indicative of greed, also suggests you, yourself are greedy in that
you want your country to be "the driving Capitalist power," and have
the monetary opportunities, powers, and benefits which come from
being in a nation of exporters.
>>
>> >> >The USPA
>> >> >and its members are a microcosm of the U.S. Self serving, hedonistic
>> >> >and dysfunctional......
>>
>> >> Talk about your whining. You have no contact with USPA beyond what
>> >> you get in here and for the most part, what you get in here is a
>> >> rejection of your own "self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional"
>> >> bullshit.
>>
>> >in denial? Thats one way to sooth your conscious I suppose
>>
>> "Self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional" - I can cite with links
>> to your own statements multiple examples of you in here being just
>> that.
>
>Hell yes, I was a member of the 20th Century USPA wasn't I?
Which puts into clear perspective your earlier whines about other
people being "Self serving, hedonistic and dysfunctional."
>Why you
>think I can read you so easy and push the wussy boy buttons?
I don't think that - as a matter of fact, you domonstratively don't
have a clue and what you "read" and think you "push" is based only on
what serves the rhetorical bullshit of the moment and what makes you
feel better about yourself and your circumstances.
>>
>>
>> >> >You are a poster boy.
>>
>> >> >so at least pay your fair share
>> >> >of Tax's on the money you skim from the sport you bottom feeding
>> >> >creep.
>>
>> >> And more guesses made fact in your head because it fits the rhetoric.
>> >> Who says I don't? You? How do you know?
>
>I have profiled you, shit the Government should hire me.
Oh, you know because you have "profiled" me, eh? And because I fit
some sort of "profile," which at this point is nothing more than the
fact that I take your self-serving crap and splash it back in your
face and as you hop about proclaiming yourself to be a dingleberry, I
have the temerity to agree with you - this fits a profile of someone
who doesn't pay his "fair share of Tax's." Take it to the IRS and the
bank, Jinnie - I already posted the IRS link for informers - take it
all the way to the bank - or perhaps make with the excuses as to why
you're not going to.
>>
>> >Hey, if you are willing to chisel the sport it also follows you are
>> >not sharing any profits sponged off the sport with the IRS
>>
>> >> >As far as what the Finn's are working on, sounds like their just
>> >> >tweaking the GPS system, you know tailoring it to skydivers.
>>
>> >> No, seems to me it's a project to incorporate a number of different
>> >> technologies into a single package for anyone interested in such a
>> >> thing.
>>
>
>I call it tweaking but actually improving the users end is a more
>correct description
>and its based on making profit by creating a vacuum where none exists.
Let me get this straight - it's "based on making profit by creating a
vacuum where none exists." How can you say it's either 1) making
profit where no profit exists when it is only a research project and
profit from gps related devices does indeed exist, or 2) it's creating
a vacuum where no vacumm exists, which would mean it's substituting
nothing for something and as it is only a research project, a concept
filling a void where before there was only a conceptual vacuum? No,
shit - you just gargle this crap because you think it sounds good,
don't you, dingleberry? "Creating a vacuum where none exists..." Shit
too funny!
>The current GPS is good enough-----------LEARN TO SPOT don't increase
>the trade deficit
So, a little research project is a bellweather of an increase of the
trade deficit? You must think GPS thing the Finns are researching is
a good idea - otherwise I fail to see what has you so scared about it.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 7:07 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >I've put it in and retired, just because you need someone to come out
>> >and carry you
>>
>> Get real, you hammered yourself into a runway and broke your dumb ass
>> beyond the point of returning, and as for what you did before to "put
>> it in," you were jumping modern ramairs. Whoopty "sweat equity" shit.
>
>Nope, I was effectively finished Easter of 1996 after the brain
>aneurysm. The 2000 jump was just because I needed one and was willing
>to die for it, lucky I didn't because you would be lost without me
>kid
"Just because (you) needed one and was willing to die for it..." ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/e4fbf27df417bbd8?hl=en&
"I planned to build back up to my original 100 or 120 jump a year
schedule...."
* * *
Caught in the big lie again, dingleberry.
>>
>> >wellll a saying comes to mind----I told the Navy this back in the
>> >1980's when they were begging me to come back in and train some people
>> >for small craft warfare along Nicaragua's borders. River and sea
>> >borne
>>
>> AKA - Jinnie got a computer mailout sent to former service members
>> because he was on some list.
>>
>Nope they sent snail mail letters offering a Commission to W-4, Big
>bonus's anything I wanted, even promising me I would stay state side
>stationed at NAB Coronado or a like place in Little Creek-----too
>smart for them though cuz once you sign on the dotted line your ass
>belongs to Uncle Sam. With a decade in, no reserve time due or reserve
>attachments and holding no Commission, they were unable to recall me
>legally. I have no doubt they got my name off a River Advisor/Combat
>list somewhere....How they found me at the time is what puzzles me, I
>had been out well over 10 years and moved around the country, more
>than once.
Which kinda puts into perspective the goods Chuck got on you - which
he got from the very same government which tracked you down.
>>
>> >"Your problem is not my problem!" A good call because that particular
>> >South American country turned out all right despite U.S. interference.
>> >Jerry girl..........Your problem is not mine, suck it up and learn how
>> >to check your own pin.
>>
>> Yo, dingleberry - where'd you get the idea I never learned?
>>
>> >Quit depending on the pilot for a spot,
>>
>> Where'd you get the idea that I do?
>
>
>Wow here's a good one, you said the green light was permission to
>leave the plane.
It is - in every aircraft I have ever jumped out of which had a green
light, this light was the signal for permission to exit at the
jumper's discretion. It works the same in aircraft without lights.
Cessna - pilot calls door. Door opens. Jumpers spot. Gets spot.
Calls cut. Pilot cuts - permission to jump - or the pilot deosn't cut
or says no.
>This ain't the Army boy.....As soon as the pilot calls door he has
>effectively turned the back of the aircraft over to the spotter and
>jumper load....
No, with rare exception, as soon as the pilot calls door or otherwise
signals for the door to come open and spotting to commence, the door
comes open and spotting commences. Jumpers will give course
correction or otherwise wait until the spot is good, at which point or
just before the cut is called signals or yells for a cut. The pilot
in command signals permission to exit. Jumpers don't leave until the
pilot in command has called for exits to commence or otherwise signals
it.
>Someone should be leaned out looking and calling
>corrections...
This occurs after the pilot has called for or has signalled for door.
>So you are the pilots puppy and not using a GPS spot
>huh?
Whatever the fuck that means - most GPS I've seen has been mounted on
the yoke or the dashboard and kinda difficult to look at while
spotting. Pilots use GPS to get to a point in the sky which,
depending on winds, numbers of groups getting out and the types of
groups getting out, is in the neighborhood of the spot. He gets to
that point, calls door, spotting happens, jumpers ask for a cut, light
goes green and/or the cut happens - or not - permission to exit is
given - or not.
>Green light means the pilot wants you to go,
Bullshit - the green light is simply permission to leave - whether
the pilot wants you to go or not is beside the point - he's not the
one jumping.
>The Otter pilot at
>Waller was using a GPS to spot loads back in the 90's...
Heh - Jinnie was using those GPS spots, it seems. How about that!
>Unfortunately
>they way the cockpit was set up he couldn't see the correction
>lights---So we hollered and someone forward passed it into the
>cockpit. We got off when we were satisfied the spot was right....not
>because some pilot said it was.
Then that was a matter of the pilot getting the aircraft into the
neighborhood while clearing with ATC, with the understanding that when
he called door, you all were allowed to figure the spot out and leave
when you wanted to - which is exactly how it still works at Waller,
except if the green light goes out, the pilot for whatever reason, and
there are several, is not allowing exits.
>You are owned by so many people
>already Jerry and now I find out you are the Pilots puppy? Whoa sit
>boy, heel, roll over. Beg for a biscuit HOO HOO HAHAHA HAW
Pilot in Command is Pilot in Command and anyone who thinks recognizing
such a concept is tantamouint to being "owned," doesn't know what the
hell he's talking about. Story from the 90's - pilot called door for
spotting but hadn't given the cut or clearance to jump and some
dingleberry leaps out immediately - no spot. Landed short and
complained about it to the pilot. Pilot said he'd take care of it.
Passses the word around that he's gonna call door way early but no one
should leave - didn't tell the dingleberry. Calls door, the
dingleberry leaves, and shows up later after a few hours of walking
Pilot tells him to spot next time but good spot or not, the pilot has
to get clearance from ATC before he can release jumpers and if jumpers
jump without this clearance, it's his ticket on the line. Jinnie, you
don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>
>> >you need me out there coaching you but I don't do sky god Sissy's
>>
>> Where'd you get the idea I did?
>>
>> >Bwoooooohahahahahahahaha What a sucker
>>
>> Umm, Jinnie? You posted three reponses to one response from me and on
>> another thread, twice (thus far) to my one - that's some serious
>> vacuum, dingleberry.
>
>You go 150/200 lines all the time...
No, that's maybe total since I don't snip your crap. The spectacle is
so much better when all your words are there being thrown back in your
face, as opposed to just snipping shit and typing emoticons.
>.I just break them down to respond
>so Google don't time out on me,
Still haven't figured out how to work Google yet, eh Jinnie? What's
it been, a few years now?
>I was wearing my laser mouse out
>dragging and clicking to edit.
Laser mouse - mighty fancy. How's it go - a country boy can survive
as long as he doesn't wear out his laser mouse?
>Thats the answer to that tweedy
Wearing the mouse out now over it? You are so fucking owned.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 23 Apr 2007 17:23:45 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 23, 5:10 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On 23 Apr 2007 10:53:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 23, 11:52 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> On 23 Apr 2007 08:39:32 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Apr 20, 8:46 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 18:27:30 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Apr 20, 7:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2007 15:02:06 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >On Apr 19, 11:22 am, ytregu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> 19 April, 2007
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Dear friends,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> For your reference,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> There's a research project going on at The Parachute Club of Finland
> >> >> >> >> >> at the moment. We evaluate the possibility to create a highly
> >> >> >> >> >> dedicated GPS for the skydiver community,
>
> > >>>>Snip a Euro sales pitch<<<<
>
> What sales pitch? Seems to me it was a description of a reseach
> project.
>
up and let out you were the Pilots puppy with that statement. "The
green light is the Pilots permission to go." Whoaaaaaaa hahahaha Gives
us something to talk about besides your bootee's and pin fear. THIS IS
OUTFUCKING STANDING.
whistle, whistle here Jerry......good boy, roll over and I'll check
your pin!
Waaaaaaahahahahahahahaha 0~;->
the unknown flailer
> On 23 Apr 2007 18:03:34 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
Before we got GPS, thats about exact Like your pin, you can't exit
doesn't happen often....not enough to worry about at least. We had
some cool pilots...It was sletting at altitude one day at Leauge
City....The Otter was bouncing around hard so the pilot
says. "I have to land, anybody not riding it down get out now!" And
once 2 F-16 flew right down jump run under us in the 206. I was half
way out and the Pilot reached over
and grabbed my leg strap motioning forward whith his head and
screaming JETS, JETS. I got loose and stood on the wheel......looked
straight down into their cockpits
as they went under, they were looking up, just curious I guess...They
kicked the afterburners in and I let go of the strut,...shit they were
in Ellington before I reached their prior altitude. Another time out
at Waller I got caught under Canopy at 12/5 after attempting a Mr.
Bill. This passanger jet comes flying right at me. I had a hand on the
cutaway just fixing to chop when his wing went up and he did a fly by,
bringing his load over for a look see I figgure. Shit happens Jerry,
its not a perfect world. ATC probably don't know a quarter of what
goes on out there.
>
> >This ain't the Army boy.....As soon as the pilot calls door he has
> >effectively turned the back of the aircraft over to the spotter and
> >jumper load....
>
> No, with rare exception, as soon as the pilot calls door or otherwise
> signals for the door to come open and spotting to commence, the door
> comes open and spotting commences. Jumpers will give course
> correction or otherwise wait until the spot is good, at which point or
> just before the cut is called signals or yells for a cut. The pilot
> in command signals permission to exit. Jumpers don't leave until the
> pilot in command has called for exits to commence or otherwise signals
> it.
>
> >Someone should be leaned out looking and calling
> >corrections...
>
> This occurs after the pilot has called for or has signalled for door.
>
> >So you are the pilots puppy and not using a GPS spot
> >huh?
>
> Whatever the fuck that means - most GPS I've seen has been mounted on
> the yoke or the dashboard and kinda difficult to look at while
> spotting. Pilots use GPS to get to a point in the sky which,
> depending on winds, numbers of groups getting out and the types of
> groups getting out, is in the neighborhood of the spot. He gets to
> that point, calls door, spotting happens, jumpers ask for a cut, light
> goes green and/or the cut happens - or not - permission to exit is
> given - or not.
We got a two minute warning after turning on jump run and a early
door. I went out
on jump run turn once while we were trying to find a hole in the
clouds and made it back to the loading area. The pilot had to fly
downwind to find the DZ under the cloud banks. We had had door for a
while so I caught a glimse of the DZ under the edge of the cloud banks
and went out because riding the aircraft down was considered
unacepptable to the majority of us....The rest of the dummys followed
me, we had skydivers strung all up and down the golf course....Man was
Ryzard mad! ;->
>
> >Green light means the pilot wants you to go,
>
> Bullshit - the green light is simply permission to leave - whether
> the pilot wants you to go or not is beside the point - he's not the
> one jumping.
>
> >The Otter pilot at
> >Waller was using a GPS to spot loads back in the 90's...
>
> Heh - Jinnie was using those GPS spots, it seems. How about that!
>
> >Unfortunately
> >they way the cockpit was set up he couldn't see the correction
> >lights---So we hollered and someone forward passed it into the
> >cockpit. We got off when we were satisfied the spot was right....not
> >because some pilot said it was.
>
> Then that was a matter of the pilot getting the aircraft into the
> neighborhood while clearing with ATC, with the understanding that when
> he called door, you all were allowed to figure the spot out and leave
> when you wanted to - which is exactly how it still works at Waller,
> except if the green light goes out, the pilot for whatever reason, and
> there are several, is not allowing exits.
A shout of CUT was his signal the first ways might be fixing to exit.
We never had much trouble with pilots back then, most of them were
skydivers with hundreds even thousands of jumps and knew what was
going on in back. Even if someone used the rocker switchs to tune the
spot....they gave out the standard calls. My favorite for the
occasional young time builder with two jumps was 5 LEFT, 5
LEFT...YIKES 10 RIGHT/ CUT. We jumped for fun, if you couldn't take a
joke go work for a commuter airline was our philosophy the Pan Am
types got the message quick. Mike Mullins was a different story, When
he visited his King Air was so fast when he said EXIT EXIT EXIT you
better be gone or he would hose you big time...I'm talking 15 or 20
miles. Some salty old pilots you just don't fuck with. heh heh
>
> >You are owned by so many people
> >already Jerry and now I find out you are the Pilots puppy? Whoa sit
> >boy, heel, roll over. Beg for a biscuit HOO HOO HAHAHA HAW
>
> Pilot in Command is Pilot in Command and anyone who thinks recognizing
> such a concept is tantamouint to being "owned," doesn't know what the
> hell he's talking about. Story from the 90's - pilot called door for
> spotting but hadn't given the cut or clearance to jump and some
> dingleberry leaps out immediately - no spot. Landed short and
> complained about it to the pilot. Pilot said he'd take care of it.
> Passses the word around that he's gonna call door way early but no one
> should leave - didn't tell the dingleberry. Calls door, the
> dingleberry leaves, and shows up later after a few hours of walking
> Pilot tells him to spot next time but good spot or not, the pilot has
> to get clearance from ATC before he can release jumpers and if jumpers
> jump without this clearance, it's his ticket on the line. Jinnie, you
> don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Were you the one going out short Jerry, you were a beginner about
then? I've never seen a green light that wasn't damn close to our
spot. The pilot used to call ATC and say Divers out, he also announced
Jump run to them. Now quit making excuses....I know your a pilots
puppy now, no ammount of 90's stories are going to distract me.
oooooooowe wee here puppy, here puppy-----roll over I'll check your
pin heh heh
>
> >> Umm, Jinnie? You posted three reponses to one response from me and on
> >> another thread, twice (thus far) to my one - that's some serious
> >> vacuum, dingleberry.
>
> >You go 150/200 lines all the time....I just break them down to respond
> >so Google don't time out on me,
>
> Still haven't figured out how to work Google yet, eh Jinnie? What's
> it been, a few years now?
Dunno if its google or my clunky computer and ISP....but responding to
your longer whines----- times me out, it won't post. I'm not a geek,
just know what works for me and what doesn't. Not the why.
>
> >I was wearing my laser mouse out
> >dragging and clicking to edit.
>
> Laser mouse - mighty fancy. How's it go - a country boy can survive
> as long as he doesn't wear out his laser mouse?
>
The Lazer mouse beats the regular IMHO....You realize how many mouse
balls I've worn out over the years breaking yours?
Mike Spurgeon
> I disagree, its because the people didn't vote the guerrilla leader
> in, their style democracy actually worked.
Their style 'democracy'???
With Jimmy Carter and the rest of the world watching that election...
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 10:14 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Unlike you, I've flown jumprun and listened to ATC from ground to exit
and back down to the ground. Also flown a bit around Houston and
across Texas - ATC keeps track - especially after 911, but even before
911, in a controlled airspace jumping didn't happen until the pilot
informed ATC it was going to and there were times when ATC said no go
at that moment for a variety of reasons. That's just reality in a
controlled airspace - which Waller is in.
Two minutes warning after turning onto jumprun? What were the uppers
doing? What was your groundspeed? 3 kts? Or was the pilot checking
out some real estate?
> I went out
>on jump run turn once while we were trying to find a hole in the
>clouds and made it back to the loading area. The pilot had to fly
>downwind to find the DZ under the cloud banks. We had had door for a
>while so I caught a glimse of the DZ under the edge of the cloud banks
>and went out because riding the aircraft down was considered
>unacepptable to the majority of us...
Oh, the ignominy - I woulda busted the FARS to avoid that, too.
>.The rest of the dummys followed
>me, we had skydivers strung all up and down the golf course....Man was
>Ryzard mad!
Damn straight - pilot gets busted, he has to replace him, maybe cover
some fines, potential downtime, loses money. Taking food out of his
family's mouth basically.
It's all fun and games until someone gets his ticket pulled and the
dzo isn't buying kegs anymore because he's having to fork out the
money for damage control. Seen it happen. The feds aren't fucking
around and since almost every pilot I've flown with was a skydiver,
saying sorry, it was all a joke - riding the plane down was
"unnacceptable," while he gets fucked by the FAA doesn't cut it.
What you should do, that is if you ever had a response instead of this
lame, "google or my clunky computer and ISP" excuse is to save the
response (if you had one) as you wrote it out. You time out, big
deal, reconnect or whatever and resume where you left off. But then,
blaming the bad landings on the parachute is easier, I suppose, than
learning to stand up a landing, eh?
>>
>> >I was wearing my laser mouse out
>> >dragging and clicking to edit.
>>
>> Laser mouse - mighty fancy. How's it go - a country boy can survive
>> as long as he doesn't wear out his laser mouse?
>>
>
>The Lazer mouse beats the regular IMHO....You realize how many mouse
>balls I've worn out over the years breaking yours?
I would guess the only mouse balls you've ever worn out were your own
and number between 0 and 2. As for breaking mine, I gotta admit -
real ball breaker when you got busted on the 48way lie - even worse
when you got busted for more lies when you tried to quibble it down to
42. Wait - ball breaker? I meant rib breaker, my bad.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
They had just made a fool out one of our best Presidents, you think
they cared what Jimmy Carter or the world thought? They were just
trying to oust a oppressive Government but unlike most Latins they
chose not to replace it with another. Did some post conflict research
on Nicaragua and also Panama because I was thinking about setting a
off shore account up ((((DAMN must be the Republican side of me coming
out))). You must really admire Charter to give a peoples success to
him....Did you vote for the Peanut Farmer? Not a closet liberal are
you Mike? 0~;)
the unknown flailer
> >bonus's anything I wanted, even promising me I would stay state side
> >stationed at NAB Coronado or a like place in Little Creek-----too
> >smart for them though cuz once you sign on the dotted line your ass
> >belongs to Uncle Sam. With a decade in, no reserve time due or reserve
> >attachments and holding no Commission, they were unable to recall me
> >list somewhere....How they found me at the time is what puzzles me, I
> >had been out well over 10 years and moved around the country, more
> >than once.
>
> Which kinda puts into perspective the goods Chuck got on you - which
> he got from the very same government which tracked you down.
Chuck is so desperate, he pulls most of his facts out of his ass. The
guy was
bi-polar before entering the USMC and received a undesirable
discharge....He
made a feint at checking with a association. Association of bored
wives, trying
to run a museum roster. Now about this "rip your head off and shit
down your neck fantasy you have, tell me more! You both fit into the
DZ political scene well.
~I must say~
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 23, 10:14 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >Nope they sent snail mail letters offering a Commission to W-4, Big
>> >bonus's anything I wanted, even promising me I would stay state side
>> >stationed at NAB Coronado or a like place in Little Creek-----too
>> >smart for them though cuz once you sign on the dotted line your ass
>> >belongs to Uncle Sam. With a decade in, no reserve time due or reserve
>> >attachments and holding no Commission, they were unable to recall me
>> >legally. I have no doubt they got my name off a River Adviser/Combat
>> >list somewhere....How they found me at the time is what puzzles me, I
>> >had been out well over 10 years and moved around the country, more
>> >than once.
>>
>> Which kinda puts into perspective the goods Chuck got on you - which
>> he got from the very same government which tracked you down.
>
>Chuck is so desperate, he pulls most of his facts out of his ass.
No, he pulled his facts from the same governent which was able to
track you down.
>The
>guy was
>bi-polar before entering the USMC and received a undesirable
>discharge...
No, you're guessing again towards the purpose of dismissing the person
who pulled your record - doesn't change the record..
>.He
>made a feint at checking with a association. Association of bored
>wives, trying
>to run a museum roster.
He got the goods on you and the fact that you are too scared to give
him permission to share this record, if only so other people might be
able to compare what the record says vs. what you say, if they're
curious or bored enough, is certainly a circumstantial bulwark towards
the veracity of the goods on you he has, and strongly suggests how
that record will compare with how you've been regaling it..
>Now about this "rip your head off and shit
>down your neck fantasy you have, tell me more!
It was your idea in the first place, dinglberry - clearly your fantasy
- but then, you following through on what you bluster is, in of
itself, fantasy.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/694ef1e35091e0eb?hl=en&
"Hell yeah - "I'm ready to git big earl to hitch the mules to the
wagon and ride out to Waller, rip that little long haired video geeks
hed off and shit down his throat if he sez he's giving back to the
sport or claims to be fun jumping one more fukking time though!"
* * *
>You both fit into the DZ political scene well.
"DZ political scene?" Cut the rhetorical crap, dumbass. Perhaps the
"DZ political scene" of your fantasies where it's all bad so you don't
have to miss skydiving as much when the sour grapes start giving you
cramps. You don't go to dz's.
Btw - I'm giving back to the sport and I fun jump.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Actually the Contra leader "Daniel Ortega" was voted in during the
2006 election down in Nicaragua------So I guess he just waited for
Charter to loose interest....No matter, its none of the U.S.'s
business anyway. They are no danger to us.......The danger lies in the
President you campaigned so hard for and his cabinet. Many of the
people implicated in the Iran/Contra scandal are in his
Administration.....One is the Vice President of the United States as a
matter of fact. What you got to say about that?
Better sell your KBR shares and invest in Nicaragua Mike, buy land
there. Its cheap!
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 24, 12:43 am, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote:
>> the unknown flailer wrote:
>> > I disagree, its because the people didn't vote the guerrilla leader
>> > in, their style democracy actually worked.
>>
>> Their style 'democracy'???
>>
>> With Jimmy Carter and the rest of the world watching that election...
>
>Actually the Contra leader "Daniel Ortega" was voted in during the
>2006 election down in Nicaragua--
Contra leader? Ortega was part of the Sandinista government, dumbass
- not the Contras. Shit, Jinnie - at least do your homework a little
before you open your yap - I'm actually starting to feel a little
sorry for you.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> I'm actually starting to feel a little
> sorry for you.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Good maybe you won't be so pissed off Friday when I start my Jerry K.
going on about his pin situation spiel. BTW make all the smoke you
want
The Administration in the 80's was wrong in the Nicaragua affair as
U.S.
Administrations usually are when trying to prop up puppet Governments
in
South America.......Let the locals decide-----thats the Democratic
way. I
should be POTUS----It wouldn't take me but a minute to straighten out
world
affairs. First I'd lean on Congress to repeal the non assassination of
foreign leaders
amendment to take care of perennial despots like Sadamn and his Bath
party. Then every idiot with a nuclear redactor treating hemispheric
peace would probably loose it to shall we say "Cruise Missile
diplomacy?" heh heh
OK lets get you ready for the DZ early:
Jerry the sky god wannabe song!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa my pin my pin!
I didn't check it before putting on my rig,
I didn't have it checked in the loading area.
Now were on jump run and I feel, feel, feel
like its might be coming out. Check it,
oh please check it....or ask the pilot to
go around. go around oh please goooo
around (sung to a Stones melody)
Yeeeeeeeeha a wreck fan ;)P
the unknown flailer
> No, he pulled his facts from the same government which was able to
> track you down.
>
> >The
> >guy was
> >bi-polar before entering the USMC and received a undesirable
> >discharge...
>
> No, you're guessing again towards the purpose of dismissing the person
> who pulled your record - doesn't change the record..
I doubt it, he never came up with the correct SN or even a SS#. FOIA
requires
correct information in to get it out....I doubt the USN lets anyone
into their
Combat Adviser rosters any......doubt they know where they are at in
the Archives
themselves. It was a long time ago and they killed the old programs or
folded them
into that new fangled Special Warfare community thing they started up.
We never
saw ourselves as special----Just a bunch of candidates for Captains
Mast...you know mean as hell, in a borderline criminal way. They took
that potential and focused it on the supposed enemy of that time,
North Vietnam.....tsk tsk tsk and Uncle Ho wanted to be a friend of
the U.S but as usual we chose to prop up a corrupt Government in
the south and Ho had to sing the Communist party song to get support &
supply's
to unify his country....Shame of it is so many U.S. Marines had to die
because they are not tailored to fighting guerrilla wars.
>
> >.He made a feint at checking with a association. Association of bored
> >wives, trying to run a museum roster.
>
> He got the goods on you and the fact that you are too scared to give
> him permission to share this record, if only so other people might be
> able to compare what the record says vs. what you say,
I doubt he had it or even really checked....His dates and information
were so wrong.
Most of it he made up and the rest he was fishing for, hoping I'd put
it out there for
him and I did---------------in sea stories Bwaaaaahahahaha. Played
right into my hands didn't he? His main intent was to play NG politics
and building a consensus, perhaps destroy my reputation--------of
which I had none. Other than being a bad old man scening for sick
fish. Yep, played right into my hands.....him and Jumbo both.
Not to mention Walther who thought he was the character out of JAG
called Harm. All one hitch boots, two never got out of the States and
the other did----got the Bejesus scared out of him and came up
flustered because he didn't end up a hero. War sucks and the only
Hero's are the dead ones kid.....I know because I served with hero's
on one side and conspired against the ones on the other. 0~;-)
> >Now about this "rip your head off and shit
> >down your neck fantasy you have, tell me more!
>
> It was your idea in the first place, dinglberry - clearly your fantasy
> - but then, you following through on what you bluster is, in of
> itself, fantasy.
Well your safe, my Geriatric Meds back up the flow......I'd have to
set on your geeky neck awhile, so long in fact-----you would probably
start stinking before my shit got out and stunk. Just say it for me
one more time, it gives me a boner and BTW, looks like a guy that uses
dingleberry as much as you would at least learn how to spell it! 0~;-
> 0~;->
the unknown flailer
to sky...@pdq.net complained about facts: 0~;-)
>
>
> Some things never change. Jimmy has never let the facts interfere with
> what he's talking about:)
>
> Looks like Old Jimmy's been rooting for the wrong side ever since
> Vietnam
Thats about right.....I swore a oath to defend the Constitution, not
the CONUS.
Truly hated the USSR & Cuba and had somewhat the red ass at Chicoms
but admired others we went against although I schemed on against our
enemy in the field anyway to protect the guys around me, as many
did.....Immagine my dismay when I found out foreigners were not
whittling away at my beloved Constitution It was the Hippies at home
and elected officials not to mention that old drag queen J. Edgar
Hoover who were the real enemy of that sacred document. I dunno who
you were fighting for Chuck but most of us fought for our buddies and
to stay alive...Well maybe not me, I walked the CP position and
directed the native troops from mostly behind them or from the middle
of a quick defensive circle, if I just had to get off the boat! My JFT
LT once commented, getting me off the war junk to hump was like trying
to put a cat in a bucket of water ~difficult~ ~and thats the Gospel~
heh heh
the unknown flailer
> >rip my head off and shit
> >down my neck
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk-
ooowwwwwwee now I understand why you like being dominated by DZ pilots
Jerry!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOO WOO BTW thanks for keeping it short and sweet
for a change you kinky thing! 0~;-)
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 26, 1:12 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> I'm actually starting to feel a little
>> sorry for you.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>
>Good maybe you won't be so pissed off Friday when I start my Jerry K.
>going on about his pin situation spiel.
You're fooling yourself, Jinnie, but if the prospect of getting
someone "pissed off" is all you got to hold onto anymore - there's
little anyone can say to disabuse of this bit of unreality.
>BTW make all the smoke you
>want The Administration in the 80's was wrong in the Nicaragua affair as
>U.S. Administrations usually are when trying to prop up puppet Governments
>in South America..
Shit, as wrong as they might have been, at least they knew the
difference between the Contras and the Sandinistas, dumbass.
>.....Let the locals decide-----thats the Democratic
>way. I should be POTUS----It wouldn't take me but a minute to straighten out
>world >affairs.
With a record of confusing Daniel Cortega for a "Contra Leader" in
mind, it might take just a bit longer than a minute.
>First I'd lean on Congress to repeal the non assassination of
>foreign leaders amendment to take care of perennial despots like Sadamn and his Bath
>party.
How'd you feel about taking out Somoza?
>Then every idiot with a nuclear redactor treating hemispheric
>peace would probably loose it to shall we say "Cruise Missile
>diplomacy?"
Like Clinton in Afghanistan?
>
>OK lets get you ready for the DZ early:
>Jerry the sky god wannabe song!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa my pin my pin!
>I didn't check it before putting on my rig,
>I didn't have it checked in the loading area.
>Now were on jump run and I feel, feel, feel
>like its might be coming out. Check it,
>oh please check it....or ask the pilot to
>go around. go around oh please goooo
>around (sung to a Stones melody)
Which brings us to the ballad of Jinnie,
<with apologies to Keith Richards>
I can't get no skydive action,
It don't matter - it's all fashion.
'Cause I tried and I tried and I tried and I tried.
I can't get no, I can't get no.
When I'm sitt'n in by the TV
and that man comes on the screen
and he's tellin' me more and more
about some skydive information
won't jibe with my imagination.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.
Gold trimmed jumpsuit warn't 'bout fashion,
matching protec - ready for action.
'Cause I tried and I tried and I tried and I tried.
I can't get no, I can't get no.
When I'm sitt'n in' front my TV
and that man comes on to tell me
how the dz just might be.
Well he can't be a man 'cause he still jumps
and he don't watch TV with me.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.
I can't get no crosswind traction,
Made the runway - faceplant action.
'Cause I tried and I tried and I tried and I tried.
I can't get no, I can't get no.
When I'm net'n round the world
and I'm typ'n' this and I'm meaning that
and I'm tryin' to evade the point
and the point I'm making is really weak
'cause you see I'm on losing streak.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.
I can't get no, I can't get no,
I can't get no skydive action,
no skydive action, Skydive fashion! no skydive action.
* * *
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 25, 3:49 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Two responses to my one, Jinnie? Dance monkey!
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> Looks like Old Jimmy's been rooting for the wrong side ever since
> Vietnam.- Hide quoted text -
Glad to see you are recovering physically you boot bag of
guts....Stick with me and I will heal your mind! ;) trust me trust me.
<evil grin>
the unknown flailer
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 24, 12:43 am, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote:
> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
> >> > I disagree, its because the people didn't vote the guerrilla leader
> >> > in, their style democracy actually worked.
>
> >> Their style 'democracy'???
>
> >> With Jimmy Carter and the rest of the world watching that election...
>
> >Actually the Contra leader "Daniel Ortega" was voted in during the
> >2006 election down in Nicaragua--
>
> Contra leader? Ortega was part of the Sandinista government, dumbass
> - not the Contras.
> ...jlk
HEY I'm over here working my tired old ass off trying to draw the Lodi
Mike out of his
usual lurk mode and you want to be the center of attention-------BUTT
OUT BITCH ;-/
Mike Spurgeon
> tsk tsk tsk and Uncle Ho wanted to be a friend of
> the U.S but as usual we chose to prop up a corrupt Government in
> the south and Ho had to sing the Communist party song to get support &
> supply's
> to unify his country....
Seeing as how he was one of the founders of the French Communist Party
in 1927, you can be fairly certain you've got this wrong...
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Apr 26, 1:12 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
Naw, all I did was remind you how much of a dumbass you are and
whether you're trolling or not, you're still a dumbass for calling
Ortega a "Contra leader."
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
I think not, from a early age he was casting about for something to
overthrow
French Colonial rule, possibly he saw the Communist party as a
powerful tool
while he was at University in France. Communism was really popular in
the 20's and 30's.....Some U.S. Citizens even moved lock stock and
barrel to Russia to help them build car plants. The French? They have
always been fucked up politically
the French also really mistreated the Vietnamese. When Japan fell, he
contacted
the first Americans in (a OSS team) and asked for help. Was flat
rejected but even then he admired our Constitution and way of
Democracy so much----theirs was modeled more on ours than the
Communist Manifesto. Some things about the North I
admired....definately communist attitudes like instant execution for
attempts at war profiteering and local corruption. We could use some
of that here. Oh-----wait that would wipe out the Republican Party for
sure and about half the Democrats ;) We were
required to study their system before fighting them-----both military
and political.
Also the Chinese Communist (who were really fucked up politically) The
North had
theatric troops that traveled south to entertain the NVA and most of
their skits were
based on Communist propaganda keyed to the peasant mind but as a whole
most fought as Nationalist. They just wanted the Westerners out.
Another interesting fact,
The Vietnamese as a whole hated China because China had occupied them
for Centurys..I had to set through many Vietnamese skits on this in
the south. Most of the Negative theater was about China, not the Johny
come lately France and the U.S.
First major country to attack them after our pull out was Red China,
The NVA finished
them off in a few months where it took them years to root us out.
Russia provided
85% of the war supply's to North Vietnam. China was just a stop off
point. The USSR also payed the Chi com to manufacture cheap weapons
like the B-40 RPG for Vietnam. Thank God or I would have lost more
boats. The point I was trying to make is Ho & his funky little
Communist party could have been an ally rather that a enemy if the
U.S. had handled it better. As a whole they were not hard bitten
Communist just wanted their country back....Most of the Leadership
gave lip service to Communism
and for all I know may have really believed in it but the peons were
mostly truly Democratic style Nationalist types at heart. I hated
having them killed ;( but it was necessary because they were tough
little boogers. and would eat you alive in the field
if you weren't heads up. I kind of admire they stomped out Pol Pot
over in Cambodia
and gave the PRC a bloody nose. Converted to Tourism and out right
Capitalism, pretty quick after the war also. One of the first Asian
enemy's of our country to do so
after we got our nose out of their business. We carried Japan after
WWII but Vietnam
we embargoed for years after the war......sore loser's that we are.
Chuck and a lot of Conventional peon types will tell you they sucked.
Well they fought a dirty war but what the hell, so did we. They fought
it without air support and with less equipment.
Ole Chucks always going on about how the USMC won all of their
battles. Whats the point? We lost the fucking war is what I'm
thinking. 0~;)
BTW glad to hear what you think, you should post more often......A lot
of what I do is
just stir the pot to get something going.....Just to see how ignorant
the youngsters
really are. Like most things when two parties have a opinion, the
truth probably lays somewhere in the middle......Most of my stuff is
just my perspective from training
40 years ago. Shit gets blurred after time but thats all the
better.....It piss's other opinionated people off and being a old
counter insurgent, I'm all for confusion. Confusion and anger on the
opposing side is good when one is out numbered! ;->
the unknown flailer
> On 26 Apr 2007 15:33:06 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
Yeah I forgot the Contra were the real enemy of peace in that
situation but I think you are mainly jealous because I'm trying to
smoke Mike out and get him involved plus here Chuck is cutting into
normally what is your dance card......Yeah girly boy, you are just eat
up with it. 0~;-*